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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
May 21 2014 21:09 GMT
#481
On May 22 2014 06:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Question, if Huk and desrow lose and Scarlett comes back out for the ace match and wins, is it an all kill?

in atc this counts as an all-kill and i think it is
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
May 21 2014 21:09 GMT
#482
Lol desrow in pre-game chat: Ready to drown in maple syrup?
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 21 2014 21:09 GMT
#483
On May 22 2014 06:07 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:04 Waise wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:03 boxerfred wrote:
On May 22 2014 05:59 Waise wrote:
On May 22 2014 05:58 boxerfred wrote:
Actually, Scarlett's greed for gas killed her. She could've remaxed if she hadn't lost her third, she had like 1k gas banked and literally 0 minerals at the same time.

yeah but she lost the third because she couldn't win a fight with the mutas... and she was greedy for gas because she was going mass muta... so

On May 22 2014 05:59 Oboeman wrote:
a ton of her banelings were stuck behind rocks in bases 4 and 5 so she didnt even get to use them in the fight

relying on banelings against an army with infestors in it is so dicey anyway



Was a great game though. One of the best ZvZ's I've seen in HotS so far. I love those baneling fights, and that was a great display of quality (+1/+1) vs. quantity (double gas baneling pressure). Really great action!

oh for sure, mass muta is exciting to watch, i love mutas myself. i just don't understand how she was supposed to win. seems like her ultra transition was way too late. i think either swarm hosts like someone else said or going into roaches after she pushed TLO back the first time would have been a better option. i'm really curious to see a VOD or something of her playing this on ladder and beating good players


I feel like a pre-spread would've helped. Form a half circle, then a move while microing banelings/small groups of mutas to prevent clumping. Or, for the sake of ZvT, baneling landmines .
true. that's so hard to do though, i know from experience. you spend so much APM trying to set up the circle and then if your opponent jukes in the wrong direction you end up with half your mutas engaging and dying while you're still trying to micro the other half

i'm sure scarlett is capable of it though, just didn't work out there
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
May 21 2014 21:09 GMT
#484
On May 22 2014 06:07 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:06 Squat wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:04 stuchiu wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:03 Squat wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:00 DBS wrote:
That was a pretty sick game from both sides, though scarlett definitely made some micro errors

It's way way harder to micro mass mutas against infestor/hydra than the other way around though.


You can, but yuo'd need to be Toodming and get a 360 surround.

Or be JD and attack 5 infestor with mutas and get hit with 0 fungals. I still watch that gif in amazement.

to be honest in the first engagement scarlett had insane muta splits, the first fungal literally went right between two flocks of mutas that both just curved around it. that's why i was so surprised she didn't pull off any more sick micro in the second fight

not to mention if you are doing that jaedong split over hydras queens and spores every mutalisk is going to die whether it gets hit by a fungal or not
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 21 2014 21:10 GMT
#485
On May 22 2014 06:08 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Question, if Huk and desrow lose and Scarlett comes back out for the ace match and wins, is it an all kill?


Based on last season of ATC, I would say yes.


Yes, because in the Bo7 she would have taken all 4 kills, therefore it is an all kill. Though usually implied, with revive an all kill does not require a perfect record.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 21:12:51
May 21 2014 21:10 GMT
#486
On May 22 2014 06:06 Leviance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:04 Leviance wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:02 Squat wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 05:59 Squat wrote:
Felt like she was just kind of goofing around with a ladder build there. Oh well, now she can go to bed and let someone else actually play. Still a fantastic day from her.

What if they need her for ace though?

If that happens HuK and Desrow fucked up pretty badly.


No offense to Desrow, but I don't think he can touch TLO. Huk is our hope now.


TLO has lost to worse Protosses


Maybe during his darker days, but TLO is extremely good these days again


His ZvP is abysmal. Look at aligulac: ZvT 1719 Pts. ZvZ 1616 Pts. ZvP 1566 Pts.

Well, if you look at Aligulac, that is still 350 points more than desrow's PvZ. I'd say desrow has an underdog chance and it would surprise me less than Sjow beating Life, but it would still be a huge surprise. HuK and resurrected Scarlett will be a bigger problem.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
May 21 2014 21:10 GMT
#487
She's been up all night playing and it's what, 6am over there now? I really don't think she'll play ace, HuK will have to cover for her I think.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 21:11:23
May 21 2014 21:10 GMT
#488
TLO takes gas but does not make second queen

is this the zenio baneling bust?

edit: nope. just a late queen
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 21 2014 21:12 GMT
#489
On May 22 2014 06:07 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:05 stuchiu wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:04 Leviance wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:02 Squat wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 05:59 Squat wrote:
Felt like she was just kind of goofing around with a ladder build there. Oh well, now she can go to bed and let someone else actually play. Still a fantastic day from her.

What if they need her for ace though?

If that happens HuK and Desrow fucked up pretty badly.


No offense to Desrow, but I don't think he can touch TLO. Huk is our hope now.


TLO has lost to worse Protosses


Inori, the worst GSTL player of all time beat Stephano in his prime. Never forget.

I wish Inori vs J happened


The Ultimate Battle of Ultimate Destiny.

In the background of this GSTL is a tale of two players: Fnatic RC's J and TSL's Inori. Both are constantly used in GSTL matches by their teams. Both can’t seem to win for the life of them. With his loss in last night’s GSTL, J is now 0 - 13. Inori hasn’t gotten a win in Gom studio’s for two years now. While Fnatic is eliminated and TSL is in the playoffs, this is a match that should and will inevitably happen.

Some rivalries happen because two players keep clashing against each other and create amazing games like Polt vs Stephano, or Seed vs Symbol. Other rivalries happen because of a group stage selection that was never forgiven, like Nada vs Keen. Some are just natural born enemies sworn to fight each other to the death like Inca vs detection.

In this case, it is a rivalry to escape the bottom. It is two players that have the complete faith from their teams despite having some of the largest losing streaks in SC2 history. This battle will finally answer the age old question, "What happens when a movable object meets a stoppable force?"

One day, one day.
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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 21 2014 21:13 GMT
#490
On May 22 2014 06:09 Oboeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:07 Waise wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:06 Squat wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:04 stuchiu wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:03 Squat wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:00 DBS wrote:
That was a pretty sick game from both sides, though scarlett definitely made some micro errors

It's way way harder to micro mass mutas against infestor/hydra than the other way around though.


You can, but yuo'd need to be Toodming and get a 360 surround.

Or be JD and attack 5 infestor with mutas and get hit with 0 fungals. I still watch that gif in amazement.

to be honest in the first engagement scarlett had insane muta splits, the first fungal literally went right between two flocks of mutas that both just curved around it. that's why i was so surprised she didn't pull off any more sick micro in the second fight

not to mention if you are doing that jaedong split over hydras queens and spores every mutalisk is going to die whether it gets hit by a fungal or not

the most annoying thing is just that because of air clumping you have to keep spreading them over and over and over, if you stop microing for half a second you suddenly have 40 mutas stacked on top of each other again. it's such a high intensity style
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
May 21 2014 21:14 GMT
#491
Desrow could just kill all overlords, losing a few phoenixes
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 21 2014 21:15 GMT
#492
Oh my, those lucky roaches
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
May 21 2014 21:17 GMT
#493
On May 22 2014 06:12 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:07 Shellshock wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:05 stuchiu wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:04 Leviance wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:02 Squat wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 05:59 Squat wrote:
Felt like she was just kind of goofing around with a ladder build there. Oh well, now she can go to bed and let someone else actually play. Still a fantastic day from her.

What if they need her for ace though?

If that happens HuK and Desrow fucked up pretty badly.


No offense to Desrow, but I don't think he can touch TLO. Huk is our hope now.


TLO has lost to worse Protosses


Inori, the worst GSTL player of all time beat Stephano in his prime. Never forget.

I wish Inori vs J happened


The Ultimate Battle of Ultimate Destiny.

In the background of this GSTL is a tale of two players: Fnatic RC's J and TSL's Inori. Both are constantly used in GSTL matches by their teams. Both can’t seem to win for the life of them. With his loss in last night’s GSTL, J is now 0 - 13. Inori hasn’t gotten a win in Gom studio’s for two years now. While Fnatic is eliminated and TSL is in the playoffs, this is a match that should and will inevitably happen.

Some rivalries happen because two players keep clashing against each other and create amazing games like Polt vs Stephano, or Seed vs Symbol. Other rivalries happen because of a group stage selection that was never forgiven, like Nada vs Keen. Some are just natural born enemies sworn to fight each other to the death like Inca vs detection.

In this case, it is a rivalry to escape the bottom. It is two players that have the complete faith from their teams despite having some of the largest losing streaks in SC2 history. This battle will finally answer the age old question, "What happens when a movable object meets a stoppable force?"

One day, one day.

a god
TL+ Member
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 21:18:57
May 21 2014 21:17 GMT
#494
On May 22 2014 06:10 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:06 Leviance wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:04 Leviance wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:02 Squat wrote:
On May 22 2014 06:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On May 22 2014 05:59 Squat wrote:
Felt like she was just kind of goofing around with a ladder build there. Oh well, now she can go to bed and let someone else actually play. Still a fantastic day from her.

What if they need her for ace though?

If that happens HuK and Desrow fucked up pretty badly.


No offense to Desrow, but I don't think he can touch TLO. Huk is our hope now.


TLO has lost to worse Protosses


Maybe during his darker days, but TLO is extremely good these days again


His ZvP is abysmal. Look at aligulac: ZvT 1719 Pts. ZvZ 1616 Pts. ZvP 1566 Pts.

Well, if you look at Aligulac, that is still 350 points more than desrow's PvZ. I'd say desrow has an underdog chance and it would surprise me less than Sjow beating Life, but it would still be a huge surprise. HuK and resurrected Scarlett will be a bigger problem.


keep in mind the higher his overall score goes, the higher go all the matchup scores as well even without performing well in that matchup. But yes, you are right, on paper he is still the favorite. But TLO has disappointed me so many fucking times against lesser opponents, especially vs. Protoss, so my hopes aren't high, I really think desrow will take it.
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 21 2014 21:17 GMT
#495
Is it a new thing specific to face TLO ? Mass hidden units ?
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
May 21 2014 21:17 GMT
#496
Desrow has a pretty interesting SimCity going here.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
May 21 2014 21:18 GMT
#497
TLO is losing to mass Phoenix.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 21 2014 21:18 GMT
#498
On May 22 2014 06:17 Boucot wrote:
Is it a new thing specific to face TLO ? Mass hidden units ?

Canadian ambush tactics
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 21 2014 21:19 GMT
#499
Great decisive move by desrow
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 21 2014 21:19 GMT
#500
Some corruptors, terrable as they are, would do wonders for TlO
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