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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
April 14 2014 17:40 GMT
#421
On April 15 2014 00:20 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 00:11 ReMinD_ wrote:
Back from work and finally seen results. Fuck yeah Life, carrying his team!

Carrying his team implies they won lol.

Oh well. IM should use more of their ST mercenaries. They are obviously the best players they have lel
The Bomber boy
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
April 14 2014 18:41 GMT
#422
On April 15 2014 02:40 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 00:20 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:11 ReMinD_ wrote:
Back from work and finally seen results. Fuck yeah Life, carrying his team!

Carrying his team implies they won lol.

Oh well. IM should use more of their ST mercenaries. They are obviously the best players they have lel

The problem is they need to be STIMBULL. Where's bomber amiright?
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 14 2014 18:59 GMT
#423
On April 15 2014 03:41 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 02:40 Wintex wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:20 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:11 ReMinD_ wrote:
Back from work and finally seen results. Fuck yeah Life, carrying his team!

Carrying his team implies they won lol.

Oh well. IM should use more of their ST mercenaries. They are obviously the best players they have lel

The problem is they need to be STIMBULL. Where's bomber amiright?

Now we're talking! Although they don't really need more players, they just need a stronger core
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 14 2014 19:39 GMT
#424
On April 15 2014 03:59 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 03:41 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 02:40 Wintex wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:20 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:11 ReMinD_ wrote:
Back from work and finally seen results. Fuck yeah Life, carrying his team!

Carrying his team implies they won lol.

Oh well. IM should use more of their ST mercenaries. They are obviously the best players they have lel

The problem is they need to be STIMBULL. Where's bomber amiright?

Now we're talking! Although they don't really need more players, they just need a stronger core

they need to play Code S Ruin instead of these other random toss
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 14 2014 19:41 GMT
#425
Well at least Life won.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 14 2014 19:46 GMT
#426
On April 15 2014 04:39 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 03:59 Yorkie wrote:
On April 15 2014 03:41 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 02:40 Wintex wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:20 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:11 ReMinD_ wrote:
Back from work and finally seen results. Fuck yeah Life, carrying his team!

Carrying his team implies they won lol.

Oh well. IM should use more of their ST mercenaries. They are obviously the best players they have lel

The problem is they need to be STIMBULL. Where's bomber amiright?

Now we're talking! Although they don't really need more players, they just need a stronger core

they need to play Code S Ruin instead of these other random toss

Trap is about to make Code S though. Squirtle as well. They have plenty of Code S players, but none of them are god tier
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 14 2014 19:47 GMT
#427
On April 15 2014 04:46 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 04:39 Shellshock wrote:
On April 15 2014 03:59 Yorkie wrote:
On April 15 2014 03:41 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 02:40 Wintex wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:20 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:11 ReMinD_ wrote:
Back from work and finally seen results. Fuck yeah Life, carrying his team!

Carrying his team implies they won lol.

Oh well. IM should use more of their ST mercenaries. They are obviously the best players they have lel

The problem is they need to be STIMBULL. Where's bomber amiright?

Now we're talking! Although they don't really need more players, they just need a stronger core

they need to play Code S Ruin instead of these other random toss

Trap is about to make Code S though. Squirtle as well. They have plenty of Code S players, but none of them are god tier

but Artosis said...
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 19:56:55
April 14 2014 19:55 GMT
#428
All you need is the (T)Cure.

edit: ...or (T)Speed..
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 14 2014 19:56 GMT
#429
On April 15 2014 04:47 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 04:46 Yorkie wrote:
On April 15 2014 04:39 Shellshock wrote:
On April 15 2014 03:59 Yorkie wrote:
On April 15 2014 03:41 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 02:40 Wintex wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:20 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 15 2014 00:11 ReMinD_ wrote:
Back from work and finally seen results. Fuck yeah Life, carrying his team!

Carrying his team implies they won lol.

Oh well. IM should use more of their ST mercenaries. They are obviously the best players they have lel

The problem is they need to be STIMBULL. Where's bomber amiright?

Now we're talking! Although they don't really need more players, they just need a stronger core

they need to play Code S Ruin instead of these other random toss

Trap is about to make Code S though. Squirtle as well. They have plenty of Code S players, but none of them are god tier

but Artosis said...

Okay lineup from now on will be Ruin, Pet, Panic, and Hack
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
April 14 2014 19:57 GMT
#430
If IM is going to lose anyway, why not send out Mvp for the fan?
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 14 2014 20:05 GMT
#431
On April 15 2014 04:57 imrusty269 wrote:
If IM is going to lose anyway, why not send out Mvp for the fan?

Because they're trying to win? They'll send out MVP when they think he gives them the best chance to win
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 14 2014 21:35 GMT
#432
On April 15 2014 04:57 imrusty269 wrote:
If IM is going to lose anyway, why not send out Mvp for the fan?

There is no team in the league that IM is a sure loss to. They have to send out their strongest possible lineup whenever they can.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
April 15 2014 01:24 GMT
#433
On April 15 2014 06:35 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 04:57 imrusty269 wrote:
If IM is going to lose anyway, why not send out Mvp for the fan?

There is no team in the league that IM is a sure loss to. They have to send out their strongest possible lineup whenever they can.


KT, SKT, JinAir, and to some extend CJ are sure loss. IM can beat MVP, Prime. Samsung is 50/50. Please send out Mvp more. It's not like he was sent out 10 times and had a 1-9 record or something like that. We don't know if he would be terrible. It's dumb that we have Flash and Mvp in proleague with no chance of them playing each other.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 15 2014 01:36 GMT
#434
On April 15 2014 10:24 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 06:35 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 15 2014 04:57 imrusty269 wrote:
If IM is going to lose anyway, why not send out Mvp for the fan?

There is no team in the league that IM is a sure loss to. They have to send out their strongest possible lineup whenever they can.


KT, SKT, JinAir, and to some extend CJ are sure loss. IM can beat MVP, Prime. Samsung is 50/50. Please send out Mvp more. It's not like he was sent out 10 times and had a 1-9 record or something like that. We don't know if he would be terrible. It's dumb that we have Flash and Mvp in proleague with no chance of them playing each other.

None of them are sure loss. You think Life/Trap/Squirtle is 100% loss to any lineup all the time?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-15 01:56:12
April 15 2014 01:55 GMT
#435
On April 15 2014 10:24 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 06:35 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 15 2014 04:57 imrusty269 wrote:
If IM is going to lose anyway, why not send out Mvp for the fan?

There is no team in the league that IM is a sure loss to. They have to send out their strongest possible lineup whenever they can.


KT, SKT, JinAir, and to some extend CJ are sure loss. IM can beat MVP, Prime. Samsung is 50/50. Please send out Mvp more. It's not like he was sent out 10 times and had a 1-9 record or something like that. We don't know if he would be terrible. It's dumb that we have Flash and Mvp in proleague with no chance of them playing each other.

Believe it or not, teams don't play in PL solely to make matchups that you want to see. Based on MVP's performance in WCS EU, he's is fairly low on the totem pole compared to the numerous Code S players on his team. In addition, internal roster decisions are typically made using an in-house ranking based on performance in practice and customs. If MVP is not being played, it's because he's not at a high enough level right now
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
April 15 2014 02:15 GMT
#436
On April 15 2014 10:55 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 10:24 imrusty269 wrote:
On April 15 2014 06:35 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 15 2014 04:57 imrusty269 wrote:
If IM is going to lose anyway, why not send out Mvp for the fan?

There is no team in the league that IM is a sure loss to. They have to send out their strongest possible lineup whenever they can.


KT, SKT, JinAir, and to some extend CJ are sure loss. IM can beat MVP, Prime. Samsung is 50/50. Please send out Mvp more. It's not like he was sent out 10 times and had a 1-9 record or something like that. We don't know if he would be terrible. It's dumb that we have Flash and Mvp in proleague with no chance of them playing each other.

Believe it or not, teams don't play in PL solely to make matchups that you want to see. Based on MVP's performance in WCS EU, he's is fairly low on the totem pole compared to the numerous Code S players on his team. In addition, internal roster decisions are typically made using an in-house ranking based on performance in practice and customs. If MVP is not being played, it's because he's not at a high enough level right now


I think it's more arbitrary than that. I remembered Mvp was sent as ace once. Why would they send some guy who was struggling to the ace match if they really wanted to win?
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 15 2014 02:42 GMT
#437
On April 15 2014 11:15 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 10:55 Yorkie wrote:
On April 15 2014 10:24 imrusty269 wrote:
On April 15 2014 06:35 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 15 2014 04:57 imrusty269 wrote:
If IM is going to lose anyway, why not send out Mvp for the fan?

There is no team in the league that IM is a sure loss to. They have to send out their strongest possible lineup whenever they can.


KT, SKT, JinAir, and to some extend CJ are sure loss. IM can beat MVP, Prime. Samsung is 50/50. Please send out Mvp more. It's not like he was sent out 10 times and had a 1-9 record or something like that. We don't know if he would be terrible. It's dumb that we have Flash and Mvp in proleague with no chance of them playing each other.

Believe it or not, teams don't play in PL solely to make matchups that you want to see. Based on MVP's performance in WCS EU, he's is fairly low on the totem pole compared to the numerous Code S players on his team. In addition, internal roster decisions are typically made using an in-house ranking based on performance in practice and customs. If MVP is not being played, it's because he's not at a high enough level right now


I think it's more arbitrary than that. I remembered Mvp was sent as ace once. Why would they send some guy who was struggling to the ace match if they really wanted to win?

#1: It's not more arbitrary than that.
#2: Roro (his ace match opponent) was the most likely player to be sent out and had already played earlier. Perhaps the IM coach and MVP saw something they could exploit in his play. MVP is quite good at executing "snipe" style builds catered to individual players.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-15 03:51:08
April 15 2014 03:37 GMT
#438
On April 15 2014 11:15 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 10:55 Yorkie wrote:
On April 15 2014 10:24 imrusty269 wrote:
On April 15 2014 06:35 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 15 2014 04:57 imrusty269 wrote:
If IM is going to lose anyway, why not send out Mvp for the fan?

There is no team in the league that IM is a sure loss to. They have to send out their strongest possible lineup whenever they can.


KT, SKT, JinAir, and to some extend CJ are sure loss. IM can beat MVP, Prime. Samsung is 50/50. Please send out Mvp more. It's not like he was sent out 10 times and had a 1-9 record or something like that. We don't know if he would be terrible. It's dumb that we have Flash and Mvp in proleague with no chance of them playing each other.

Believe it or not, teams don't play in PL solely to make matchups that you want to see. Based on MVP's performance in WCS EU, he's is fairly low on the totem pole compared to the numerous Code S players on his team. In addition, internal roster decisions are typically made using an in-house ranking based on performance in practice and customs. If MVP is not being played, it's because he's not at a high enough level right now


I think it's more arbitrary than that. I remembered Mvp was sent as ace once. Why would they send some guy who was struggling to the ace match if they really wanted to win?


There was a very high likelihood RorO (Zerg) would be ace. The map was Outboxer (great mech map for Mvp). hmm..

He lost in one-sided fashion but even in retrospect it was a reasonable decision (though Byul also beat RorO before on the same map and probably could have done it again). That's very different from regularly sending Mvp in the lineup where there's no telling who he'll get, especially when the league is heavily-populated with protoss (Mvp's worst matchup).

Also hardly anyone is a sure loss to anyone in this league. I'd of hoped MVP (team) demonstrated that last round where they beat every Kespa team at least once after landing towards the bottom in round 1 and losing to Prime and IM early in round 2. Or alternatively, Khan who were very high up in round 1 but almost landed below Prime in round 2. Hell, some of the teams you named were already defeated by IM ffs.
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