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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
April 13 2014 21:34 GMT
#2261
On April 14 2014 06:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Updated my graph with Zerg and some extrapolation

[image loading]

Looks legit! What kind of algorithm did you use for that extrapolation?
Get off my lawn, young punks
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
April 13 2014 21:35 GMT
#2262
On April 14 2014 06:34 Aeromi wrote:


Yes you will <3
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
April 13 2014 21:35 GMT
#2263
On April 14 2014 06:34 Aeromi wrote:
https://twitter.com/AcerMMA/status/455458917443969024


Well that's the right attitude MMA!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
April 13 2014 21:35 GMT
#2264
On April 14 2014 06:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Updated my graph with Zerg and some extrapolation

+ Show Spoiler +
&#91;image loading&#93;


Looks like zerg is about to go up a tiny bit in wins
Hyun win confirmed
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 13 2014 21:35 GMT
#2265
On April 14 2014 06:34 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Updated my graph with Zerg and some extrapolation

&#91;image loading&#93;

Looks legit! What kind of algorithm did you use for that extrapolation?


A combination of the ELO sytem, aligulac stats with general decay for time and weighted toward the Korean scene with some help from the IXDL dota ranking system.
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
April 13 2014 21:36 GMT
#2266
On April 14 2014 06:34 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Updated my graph with Zerg and some extrapolation

[image loading]

Looks legit! What kind of algorithm did you use for that extrapolation?

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urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
April 13 2014 21:37 GMT
#2267
On April 14 2014 06:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:29 nkr wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments

will hyun be the combo breaker? lets pray to the sc2 gods


Naw fuck it. Let's have all protoss champs this year. It was all Koreans last year, why not all Korean protoss' this yaer?

Instead of 4 minutes to midnight, 4 minutes to purification.

GG MC, congrats, you heard our cries and gave us macro games, sad to see MMA lose but I'd also be sad if MC lost so w/e.
hemeh
xongnox
Profile Joined November 2011
540 Posts
April 13 2014 21:38 GMT
#2268
On April 14 2014 06:32 Calthrash wrote:
Have to say that after getting used to watching the likes of Maru and other proleague terrans play TvP, MMAs micro just looks pretty subpar in comparison.


every terran looks subpar in comparison of Maru's TvP micro/engagements (except maybe ty ? ). In fact nearly every terran looks subpar in nearly every aspect of the game compared to Maru ^^ That's why he's the only hope.

MC's play wasn't near perfect either.

so well, gratz to MC and gogogo Huynnnn
4ntipode
Profile Joined April 2011
France27 Posts
April 13 2014 21:39 GMT
#2269
Brilliant play by MC, such a solid defense in the last game. Great multitask and storms

BO$$ TO$$ GJ
Knowledge is power
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 13 2014 21:42 GMT
#2270
On April 14 2014 06:35 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:34 ACrow wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Updated my graph with Zerg and some extrapolation

[image loading]

Looks legit! What kind of algorithm did you use for that extrapolation?


A combination of the ELO sytem, aligulac stats with general decay for time and weighted toward the Korean scene with some help from the IXDL dota ranking system.

Pretty much this, sprinkled with some TLPD and FPL rankings combined with each players level in lottery defense
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
April 13 2014 21:42 GMT
#2271
I couldn't watch this as it is a work day here in NZ.

MC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Protoss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy.
KT best KT ~ 2014
KingofGods
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1218 Posts
April 13 2014 21:44 GMT
#2272
On April 14 2014 06:34 Aeromi wrote:
https://twitter.com/AcerMMA/status/455458917443969024



Can pros actually come back stronger? I keep wondering this. Like............will his mechanics get better? Doubtful. They can only deteriorate. Can his micro get better? Again, probably only deteriorate as he gets slower. So........how does he get better? Decision making, maybe? If his decision making isn't already spot on after 20,000 games, will an additional 5000 games really make a difference?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 13 2014 21:46 GMT
#2273
On April 14 2014 06:24 Heartland wrote:
MC crowns himself as the most consistent Protoss player of all time

Who else can contend that title?
kiss kiss fall in love
Dheeraj19
Profile Joined December 2013
United States95 Posts
April 13 2014 21:46 GMT
#2274
On April 14 2014 06:44 KingofGods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:34 Aeromi wrote:
https://twitter.com/AcerMMA/status/455458917443969024



Can pros actually come back stronger? I keep wondering this. Like............will his mechanics get better? Doubtful. They can only deteriorate. Can his micro get better? Again, probably only deteriorate as he gets slower. So........how does he get better? Decision making, maybe? If his decision making isn't already spot on after 20,000 games, will an additional 5000 games really make a difference?



by stronger he means when protoss nerf hits.
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Relewa
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada27 Posts
April 13 2014 21:46 GMT
#2275
On April 14 2014 06:44 KingofGods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:34 Aeromi wrote:
https://twitter.com/AcerMMA/status/455458917443969024



Can pros actually come back stronger? I keep wondering this. Like............will his mechanics get better? Doubtful. They can only deteriorate. Can his micro get better? Again, probably only deteriorate as he gets slower. So........how does he get better? Decision making, maybe? If his decision making isn't already spot on after 20,000 games, will an additional 5000 games really make a difference?



You're fucking retarded.

User was warned for this post
gg
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 13 2014 21:51 GMT
#2276
On April 14 2014 06:44 KingofGods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:34 Aeromi wrote:
https://twitter.com/AcerMMA/status/455458917443969024



Can pros actually come back stronger? I keep wondering this. Like............will his mechanics get better? Doubtful. They can only deteriorate. Can his micro get better? Again, probably only deteriorate as he gets slower. So........how does he get better? Decision making, maybe? If his decision making isn't already spot on after 20,000 games, will an additional 5000 games really make a difference?


There is something abstract about skill that's not necessarily strictly mechanics or strictly decision making, but a player can most certainly come back stronger. If not, games would be getting worse in terms of skill which they are not, and players that lose would keep losing, and judging by the amount of players steadily improving or remaining at a high skill level despite high age (in Starcraft terms) that's not happening either.
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Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
April 13 2014 21:51 GMT
#2277
On April 14 2014 06:46 Dheeraj19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:44 KingofGods wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:34 Aeromi wrote:
https://twitter.com/AcerMMA/status/455458917443969024



Can pros actually come back stronger? I keep wondering this. Like............will his mechanics get better? Doubtful. They can only deteriorate. Can his micro get better? Again, probably only deteriorate as he gets slower. So........how does he get better? Decision making, maybe? If his decision making isn't already spot on after 20,000 games, will an additional 5000 games really make a difference?



by stronger he means when protoss nerf hits.


pretty sure next seasons maps will shift winrates much closer to 50%
KingofGods
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1218 Posts
April 13 2014 21:56 GMT
#2278
On April 14 2014 06:51 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:44 KingofGods wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:34 Aeromi wrote:
https://twitter.com/AcerMMA/status/455458917443969024



Can pros actually come back stronger? I keep wondering this. Like............will his mechanics get better? Doubtful. They can only deteriorate. Can his micro get better? Again, probably only deteriorate as he gets slower. So........how does he get better? Decision making, maybe? If his decision making isn't already spot on after 20,000 games, will an additional 5000 games really make a difference?


There is something abstract about skill that's not necessarily strictly mechanics or strictly decision making, but a player can most certainly come back stronger. If not, games would be getting worse in terms of skill which they are not, and players that lose would keep losing, and judging by the amount of players steadily improving or remaining at a high skill level despite high age (in Starcraft terms) that's not happening either.


Mental toughness perhaps? I hear a lot of pros retire because it's no longer fun for them or it takes too much time and energy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 13 2014 21:56 GMT
#2279
On April 14 2014 06:44 KingofGods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:34 Aeromi wrote:
https://twitter.com/AcerMMA/status/455458917443969024



Can pros actually come back stronger? I keep wondering this. Like............will his mechanics get better? Doubtful. They can only deteriorate. Can his micro get better? Again, probably only deteriorate as he gets slower. So........how does he get better? Decision making, maybe? If his decision making isn't already spot on after 20,000 games, will an additional 5000 games really make a difference?

Do you ever get tired at being wrong? That is the exactly the opposite way practice works.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
April 13 2014 21:59 GMT
#2280
Kaboom baby!
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