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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 13 2014 21:17 GMT
#1981
On April 14 2014 06:16 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:15 Makro wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:15 Aeromi wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:14 Boucot wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:12 Aeromi wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:11 Makro wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:10 Boucot wrote:
Come on Jean-Michel !


what?

Mvp = Jurgen
duckdeok = Filipo ( no idea )
MMA = Jean-Michel

Huh no it's MC : Jean-Michel is for Jang Min Chul

Jang Min Chul. xD


OMG IT MAKES SENSE


But what happens when Soulkey plays in EU?

Sergei Kadnikov?
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1982
MMA has some opportunities for harass.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1983
On April 14 2014 06:15 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:14 ThomasjServo wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:13 GumBa wrote:
Another twilight build D:

Lets see if he makes a tank.

Nah tanks are trash


Not proxy tanks, ask TB!
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1984
On April 14 2014 06:17 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:16 liberate71 wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:16 stuchiu wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:15 Makro wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:15 Aeromi wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:14 Boucot wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:12 Aeromi wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:11 Makro wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:10 Boucot wrote:
Come on Jean-Michel !


what?

Mvp = Jurgen
duckdeok = Filipo ( no idea )
MMA = Jean-Michel

Huh no it's MC : Jean-Michel is for Jang Min Chul

Jang Min Chul. xD


OMG IT MAKES SENSE


But what happens when Soulkey plays in EU?


Hey, we're being serious here.


He's lost all of his power since joining SKT, it could happen!


True, he can be like the Solar of SKT
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1985
On April 14 2014 06:16 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:15 Makro wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:15 Aeromi wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:14 Boucot wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:12 Aeromi wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:11 Makro wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:10 Boucot wrote:
Come on Jean-Michel !


what?

Mvp = Jurgen
duckdeok = Filipo ( no idea )
MMA = Jean-Michel

Huh no it's MC : Jean-Michel is for Jang Min Chul

Jang Min Chul. xD


OMG IT MAKES SENSE


But what happens when Soulkey plays in EU?

Hans.
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1986
MMA should mix some scv pull
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1987
On April 14 2014 06:15 GTPGlitch wrote:
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On April 14 2014 06:13 forsooth wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:10 GTPGlitch wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:09 forsooth wrote:
As a longtime MC fan and a longtime MMA anti-fan I must betray Terran and root for MC to take this.


How can you be an MMA anti-fan?D:

He crushed the IM monopoly and brought forth some of the best games in history DDDDD:

He had a bad habit of getting in Mvp's way in late 2011, kept him from getting the dual GSL/Blizzcon title. Been rooting for him to lose ever since.


Just because MVP sucks compared to MMA doesn't mean you have to be an mma anti fan :p

0/10
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1988
On April 14 2014 06:14 The_Templar wrote:
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On April 14 2014 06:10 The_Templar wrote:
WCS EU Premier Grand Finals

(P)MC vs (T)MMA
3-2


Map: Polar Night


MC spawns in the top
MMA spawns in the bottom

2:00
Reaper first for MMA.
MC getting one gas after a gateway.

3:00
Cybernetics core for MC.
Reactor on MMA's barracks.

4:00
MMA and MC both expand.
Two more barracks for MMA.
MC getting a twilight council in his main.

5:00
MMA trying to scout with his reaper.
Blink for MC.
Reaper is denied.
Chronoboost on blink research.

6:00
MMA scans and sees the blink research.
MC moves up a ramp into a blink trap and loses a stalker.
MC loses the proxy probe.

7:00 (P)MC 48 vs (T)MMA 56
MC getting a forge.
Stim is half done.
Factory on the way for MMA.
MMA getting a second gas.
MC proxying a pylon.

8:00 (P)MC 63 vs (T)MMA 70
MC moving his stalkers and about to find marines.
MC finds random marines in the top right and kills them.

9:00 (P)MC 77 vs (T)MMA 85
Templar archives for MC.
MC getting 3 more gateways and a robotics facility.
Charge is half done and +1 armor finishes for MC.
MMA getting medivacs and MM with mines.

10:00 (P)MC 85 vs (T)MMA 95
Drop goes over a pylon and the widow mine is revealed.
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1989
On April 14 2014 06:17 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:14 Heartland wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:12 Faust852 wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:08 scypio wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:05 Faust852 wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:03 nkr wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:02 NKexquisite wrote:
Since when does TotalBiscuits opinion matter?


since he's the most helpful single character in the scene


Yeah but please, he can keep his opinion about the game in itself for himself, that would be great.


No, just no. It is great that TB is here and that he shares his passion about the game (even thou he may be wrong sometimes).


Yeah, so do us. Why are we the bad rabbit when we disagree with him. He doesn't play the game and his only source of imformation is Crank and Alicia, both players that don't know how to put a 3rd nexus in a game and then claim their opinions as the only truth. Seriously fuck that. It's obvious what the balance is right now and it makes me cringe to read stupid things like "TvP impossiblle late game because of biomine (mine lategame wtf)."


So your argument is: that Alicia and Crank are cheesy, so their opinions are moot
and then: that the balance is obvious

I don't know how my old logic teachers would like that reasoning...


Of course they PoV is biased since they play 8-12 for money. they want to win. I'm basing on fact, check the last 4 months of sc2, check the lasts games of theses wcs. FFS, ask others pros, having both side of an argument is better then just basing his opinion on 2 biased players that avoid playing macro game at all cost.


Combining pre-patch and post-patch results is a useless way to judge balance.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1990
On April 14 2014 06:17 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:14 nkr wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:13 Caihead wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:13 stuchiu wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:10 Caihead wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:08 Sabu113 wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:04 nkr wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:04 Caihead wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:03 nkr wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:02 NKexquisite wrote:
Since when does TotalBiscuits opinion matter?


since he's the most helpful single character in the scene


Take? Tastosis? Incontrol?

Come on.


yes, he throws money at the scene while the others make money from the scene


I don't know how Tastosis gets mentioned after the Sons of StarCraft Kickstarter. Incontrol either. Day9 would be the right one to throw in.


So all their efforts from 2000s - 2012 dont count? They threw their lives at Starcraft, it's more than just money.


Its not a contest guys.


I didn't quote TB as "the most helpful single character in the scene".


No, I did and I stand by it. You said nothing to convince me otherwise.


Nothing to say to a person with selective amnesia.


Well yeah attacking the person instead of the argument always works. I'll leave you to it.
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#1991
On April 14 2014 06:18 Topin wrote:
MMA should mix some scv pull

against storm?
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
April 13 2014 21:19 GMT
#1992
We've reached 100 pages!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 13 2014 21:19 GMT
#1993
Really late upgrades. I wasn't paying attention, but did MC play like this the other 2 games?
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WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
April 13 2014 21:19 GMT
#1994
Please stop unironically insulting TB, its shooting the messenger since he only told you his opinion based on interviews with his players.
In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
April 13 2014 21:19 GMT
#1995
MC is Bolo. You have all seen his flex.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
April 13 2014 21:19 GMT
#1996
On April 14 2014 06:18 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:18 Topin wrote:
MMA should mix some scv pull

against storm?

in general not this game
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
April 13 2014 21:19 GMT
#1997
On April 14 2014 06:18 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:17 Faust852 wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:14 Heartland wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:12 Faust852 wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:08 scypio wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:05 Faust852 wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:03 nkr wrote:
On April 14 2014 06:02 NKexquisite wrote:
Since when does TotalBiscuits opinion matter?


since he's the most helpful single character in the scene


Yeah but please, he can keep his opinion about the game in itself for himself, that would be great.


No, just no. It is great that TB is here and that he shares his passion about the game (even thou he may be wrong sometimes).


Yeah, so do us. Why are we the bad rabbit when we disagree with him. He doesn't play the game and his only source of imformation is Crank and Alicia, both players that don't know how to put a 3rd nexus in a game and then claim their opinions as the only truth. Seriously fuck that. It's obvious what the balance is right now and it makes me cringe to read stupid things like "TvP impossiblle late game because of biomine (mine lategame wtf)."


So your argument is: that Alicia and Crank are cheesy, so their opinions are moot
and then: that the balance is obvious

I don't know how my old logic teachers would like that reasoning...


Of course they PoV is biased since they play 8-12 for money. they want to win. I'm basing on fact, check the last 4 months of sc2, check the lasts games of theses wcs. FFS, ask others pros, having both side of an argument is better then just basing his opinion on 2 biased players that avoid playing macro game at all cost.


Combining pre-patch and post-patch results is a useless way to judge balance.


Looks like the patch didn't do that much considering how well protoss does in the early game and the main goal of the last patch was nerfing these possibilities.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 13 2014 21:19 GMT
#1998
On April 14 2014 06:18 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 06:18 Topin wrote:
MMA should mix some scv pull

against storm?


SCV pull sucks now.
Moderator
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
April 13 2014 21:20 GMT
#1999
On April 14 2014 06:19 stuchiu wrote:
Really late upgrades. I wasn't paying attention, but did MC play like this the other 2 games?


No he usually rushed out armor upgrades
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 13 2014 21:20 GMT
#2000
Damn tunneling too hard on those templar, good reactions by MC
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
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