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[IEM] Ro16 World Championships 2014 - Page 9

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Story found here about Naniwa vs. Polt. *Spoilers*
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/446041-naniwa-forfeits-mid-series-at-iem-katowice
http://sc2hl.com/highlight/1148
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
March 14 2014 11:17 GMT
#161
Do we know the stream schedules?
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 11:18:32
March 14 2014 11:17 GMT
#162
On March 14 2014 20:11 KoRStarvid wrote:
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On March 14 2014 19:49 partydude89 wrote:
On March 14 2014 19:47 KoRStarvid wrote:
On March 14 2014 19:42 partydude89 wrote:
On March 14 2014 19:35 vthree wrote:
On March 14 2014 19:30 partydude89 wrote:
On March 14 2014 19:22 Caihead wrote:
On March 14 2014 19:09 partydude89 wrote:
On March 14 2014 19:03 KoRStarvid wrote:
On March 14 2014 18:54 Caihead wrote:
[quote]

What? Are you being real right now, Rain didn't block the choke with a zealot properly, repeatedly even after he noticed it, no amount of Rogue being a good player would have made his lings magically pass through a pylon zealot wall. If a terran made a depot wall that wasn't ling proof and loses 20 scvs to just speedlings you would say the same thing that the terran made a mistake.

I really have to +1 this. A zealot in wrong position can in no way be directly correlated to anything that Rogue did. Rogue is really good and jumped on the opportunity, but the blame is on Rain in this case.


I really have to -1 this. What he's saying is that rouge chose to go in with lings at the correct moment. and i know that if i had just gotten lings into a protoss main then i would figure he would be prepared for the next time with a zealot. Rouge took the opportunity in assuming he wasn't ready. For example, how many times in PvT have you seen protoss players with an empty warp prism just sitting there while they turtle up with their deathball army. a lot of times, they don't take the opportunity to put a few extra HT into the warp prisms and go for storm drops. does that mean their opponent is bad if they can't defend it perfectly? no, it means that the protoss player was playing well and used the units he had to their fullest potential. It's all about perspective, you can choose to believe that one player played really well, or another played terribly. In a game like Starcraft, it's impossible to play an absolutely perfect game, so why not focus on what a player did well, then what another player did poorly?


I'm not detracting from the fact that Rogue is a good player, I'm saying that the game was exciting because Rain made critical mistakes that "normally" don't occur because progamers usually don't make mistakes like that, where as the standard defensive play in PvZ usually gravitates towards in what people consider boring strategies (i.e. SH) due to the zerg being unable to capitalize on said mistakes.

I think it's safe to say that people appreciate spectacle in competition the most if all parties are performing at their best and when there is no mental detraction in the back of your mind saying "wow this player made such uncharacteristic mistakes, I wish I could see these two play at their best". There is a valid complaint if players playing their best gravitates towards games with samey strategies like BL/Infestor or SH/viper/corrupter instead of a game with loads of base snipes, action all over the map, tech switches, etc.



There will always be mistakes with players. i'm sure if i went through all the Rain Vods right now, i would find a few games where his zealot wasn't on hold postion/ in the correct postion. And i'm sure that in most of these Vods, it wasn't capitalized on by the zerg player, and had i not told you that this mistake was made, you would of told me he played great that game. In PvZ I see a lot of times where the Protoss player goes for an allin vs zerg, like immortal sentry or with other units. and sometimes, if you're watching very VERY carefully, you will see them forget a warp in cycle.. Now most people aren't watching that part, and if the protoss wins the game, you would say they still played well. Players will make mistakes, thats a natural part of playing this game. Whether it be with decsion making, macro or micro, it happens, by every player, in every game. So why not focus on the good, not the bad? rouge could of chose to poke in and out of the third trying to get a few probes, he could of kept them at home, but he made a great decsion. It was great on his part, not bad on rains.


I disagree. Although all terrans pros have failed splitting vs banes at some points, when it happens in game, it is still a 'mistake' by that player. Same with things like losing oracles, failing forcefields. Yes, these mistakes will always happen but that shouldn't make us stop calling them as mistakes.


Thats a difference in perspective, which is fine. Both sides have merits to them, and it really is just perspective. What really got me angry was people like Calihead saying "are you for real now" to zealously when he brought up a perfectly valid argument. it's fine to disagree, but you shouldn't try and invalidate someones argument because you personally don't agree with it.

What? If you can rationally invalidate an argument, then why shouldn't you? Or are you saying that we shouldn't use such rethorics?


We are litterally talking about perspective here. you can't really argue how someone looks at specific senerios. You shouldn't say someone is wrong for how they look at situations. you can disagree personally, sure, but you shouldn't say they are wrong for how they approach the senerio.

You are literally the only one talking about perspective here

I would argue that having a zealot in the correct position is not so much a question of skill and that Rogue "outplayed" Rain in that little scenario, and because it was not done correctly must be considered a mistake on Rain's part. There are a couple of reasons why: Placing a Zealot in the correct position could be considered an easy task. The procedure is standardized, and is applicable at almost all levels of play. When the Zealot is placed, it remains passive, thus not taxing the Protoss player's abilities. Furthermore, the zealot is placed there to thwarth the exact kind of attack that Rogue did.

Rain theoretically made the correct play here, but for some reason he committed a practical error, or as some would call it, a mistake.


So you're telling me that if i think Rouge getting lings into Rain's base is a good play by Rouge, more than a mistake by Rain. I'm blatantly wrong? Thats ridiculous. It truly is a matter of perspective, and you shouldn't try and invalidate someone because they have a different outlook then you. Some people are vegans, and thats fine. I personally love meat and couldn't stand living that way, but i don't think they are "wrong" for living that way.
#1 Official Hack Fan|#2 Bomber behind Wintex.|Curious|Life|Flash|TY|Cure|Maru|sOs|Jin Air Green Wings fighting!|SBENU Fighting!|
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 11:19:22
March 14 2014 11:18 GMT
#163
On March 14 2014 20:17 Dinotramp wrote:
Do we know the stream schedules?


Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 14 2014 11:19 GMT
#164
On March 14 2014 20:17 Dinotramp wrote:
Do we know the stream schedules?

We know that ESL will cover 6 out of 8 matches themselves, nothing more unfortunately.
looken
Profile Joined September 2011
727 Posts
March 14 2014 11:21 GMT
#165
Nani is such a waste of space at IEM
Imagine JD in his place...
"Jingle Bells, Tasteless smells" Artosis 17.12.15
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 14 2014 11:21 GMT
#166
On March 14 2014 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 20:17 Dinotramp wrote:
Do we know the stream schedules?


https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/444250279672692736

I really doubt they would stream the price money negotiations
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 14 2014 11:21 GMT
#167
On March 14 2014 20:21 looken wrote:
Nani is such a waste of space at IEM
Imagine JD in his place...

Hasu should get Naniwas place then.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 14 2014 11:23 GMT
#168
On March 14 2014 20:21 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 14 2014 20:17 Dinotramp wrote:
Do we know the stream schedules?


https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/444250279672692736

I really doubt they would stream the price money negotiations


I can't tell if you're trolling us or being trolled
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 14 2014 11:23 GMT
#169
On March 14 2014 20:21 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 14 2014 20:17 Dinotramp wrote:
Do we know the stream schedules?


https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/444250279672692736

I really doubt they would stream the price money negotiations


That's the joke D:
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
March 14 2014 11:24 GMT
#170
On March 14 2014 20:23 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 20:21 NovaMB wrote:
On March 14 2014 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 14 2014 20:17 Dinotramp wrote:
Do we know the stream schedules?


https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/444250279672692736

I really doubt they would stream the price money negotiations


That's the joke D:

I know its Wax with improved photoshop skills but still.
looken
Profile Joined September 2011
727 Posts
March 14 2014 11:25 GMT
#171
On March 14 2014 20:21 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 20:21 looken wrote:
Nani is such a waste of space at IEM
Imagine JD in his place...

Hasu should get Naniwas place then.

Technically yes, but i like JD more
"Jingle Bells, Tasteless smells" Artosis 17.12.15
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
March 14 2014 11:28 GMT
#172
On March 14 2014 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 20:17 Dinotramp wrote:
Do we know the stream schedules?


https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/444250279672692736



So only one match on sunday O_o ?
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
March 14 2014 11:29 GMT
#173
On March 14 2014 20:28 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 14 2014 20:17 Dinotramp wrote:
Do we know the stream schedules?


https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/444250279672692736



So only one match on sunday O_o ?


And put on most of the huge matches on a Friday when everyone is at work I hate it when tournaments do this.
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 14 2014 11:29 GMT
#174
On March 14 2014 20:24 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 20:23 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 14 2014 20:21 NovaMB wrote:
On March 14 2014 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 14 2014 20:17 Dinotramp wrote:
Do we know the stream schedules?


https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/444250279672692736

I really doubt they would stream the price money negotiations


That's the joke D:

I know its Wax with improved photoshop skills but still.


Snarky tweets now come with 100% more photoshop

Pretty impressive, gotta say
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
March 14 2014 11:33 GMT
#175
I freaking can't wait
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 11:34:03
March 14 2014 11:33 GMT
#176

lol
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 14 2014 11:34 GMT
#177
On March 14 2014 20:33 NovaMB wrote:
https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/444435960785534976
lol


not true, I spotted it instantly.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
March 14 2014 11:34 GMT
#178
LIFUUUUUUU FIGHTING!!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 14 2014 11:37 GMT
#179
Go Rogue and Polt ^.^
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Germany9534 Posts
March 14 2014 11:39 GMT
#180
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