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ratty
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand275 Posts
March 06 2014 13:46 GMT
#2481
come home from a night on the piss and see that maru has taken 1st place
priceless
no. monkeys land on their feet, they're like masturbating cats ~ #~hyvaa~#~
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 06 2014 13:46 GMT
#2482
On March 06 2014 22:45 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:44 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:43 Paljas wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:42 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:40 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:35 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:34 VisonKai wrote:
So wait, if Maru gets out first in his group he's against Life...

The match I was hoping for in the finals is in the ro8. :X



It's an easy pass to the Ro4 though


My heart hurts while deciding for who it is an easy pass. I'd say for Life at first, but my sympathy goes with Maru as well.


Without any disrespect to Maru I'd say that the match-up favors Life a lot. His ZvT is still really good whereas Maru's has been periodically lackluster recently. Probably Life 3-1 Maru

Seems fair. ZvT is the one matchup that Life has kept really strong over a long period of time while it's the matchup I would most worry for Maru. I agree that Life should be favored

Life lost to fucking fantasy

you're right. he lost a bo1 to a weird build where he made some mistakes. he must be shit


Flash lost to Stork he's so washed up


Maru lost a game against Jim once
AdministratorBreak the chains
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 06 2014 13:46 GMT
#2483
On March 06 2014 22:45 Greenei wrote:
Life should actually be favored against Maru. Maru seemed quite weak to strong zerg like SK.

Yeah, against strong Zerg. So not Life.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 06 2014 13:46 GMT
#2484
maru loses to everyone and his dog online
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 06 2014 13:46 GMT
#2485
On March 06 2014 22:45 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:43 NeThZOR wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:41 liberate71 wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:39 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:38 bo1b wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:33 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:29 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:24 Caihead wrote:
[quote]

Jangbi is same time period as Stork, and he RETIRED after getting a Code S spot. Both of them spent much more time on BW than the rest of the group because they were in the last BW OSL.


Well... I said BW doesn't matter for SC2, I gave you examples. You told me those examples are wrong because they were of the PAST. Then I give you examples of the best BW players at the end of BW and now the problem is they were too RECENT?

I am sorry, so maybe I am right and BW results dont matter in SC2?


Good job zero reading comprehension. I'm saying their careers translated to SC2. BW players who were up and comers generally did really well going into SC2, BW players who were already veterans and naturally were falling off didn't do so well or retired. Esports players have life spans, that's just the way of it. Boxer / July retired even earlier.


You are full of contradictions thats what you are...

Zest wasn't an up and comer. Neither was herO. Soulkey, Rain were as old of players as hydra.
Sora left, Killer left.
As many veterans as up and comers left SC2.

BW != SC2


It's not a perfect algorithm but obviously players who were upcomers yet to reach their full potential either due to lack of a solid environment or age or experience would eventually over take the veterans who are getting older and mechanically less competitive. How is this difficult to understand. There are exceptions in some specific cases like Jaedong but they are few and far between.

Is it that hard to admit that the link between the two games is not as strong as you imply?

Is it that hard to admit that there is some correlation of PLAYER CAREER that isn't based on whether or not one game is better than the other?


From what I gather, He's not saying one game is better than the other.

He's saying that the 'crossover' was not as seamless as people assumed.

The way the game works is different, as such, the people who did well are different. Nothing to do with age/era etc.

We're close to proving Godwin's law here


I thank you for making me aware of such things, holy shit that's awesome.

P.S - you are the opposite to Hitler.

It's pretty cool but people use it as a proof of fallacy
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 06 2014 13:46 GMT
#2486
On March 06 2014 22:45 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:44 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:43 Paljas wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:42 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:40 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:35 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:34 VisonKai wrote:
So wait, if Maru gets out first in his group he's against Life...

The match I was hoping for in the finals is in the ro8. :X



It's an easy pass to the Ro4 though


My heart hurts while deciding for who it is an easy pass. I'd say for Life at first, but my sympathy goes with Maru as well.


Without any disrespect to Maru I'd say that the match-up favors Life a lot. His ZvT is still really good whereas Maru's has been periodically lackluster recently. Probably Life 3-1 Maru

Seems fair. ZvT is the one matchup that Life has kept really strong over a long period of time while it's the matchup I would most worry for Maru. I agree that Life should be favored

Life lost to fucking fantasy

you're right. he lost a bo1 to a weird build where he made some mistakes. he must be shit


Flash lost to Stork he's so washed up


No kidding right.

I also lost my car keys, but don't worry, I found them
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
March 06 2014 13:46 GMT
#2487
Dear, you're dearing me apart
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 06 2014 13:47 GMT
#2488
On March 06 2014 22:46 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:45 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:44 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:43 Paljas wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:42 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:40 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:35 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:34 VisonKai wrote:
So wait, if Maru gets out first in his group he's against Life...

The match I was hoping for in the finals is in the ro8. :X



It's an easy pass to the Ro4 though


My heart hurts while deciding for who it is an easy pass. I'd say for Life at first, but my sympathy goes with Maru as well.


Without any disrespect to Maru I'd say that the match-up favors Life a lot. His ZvT is still really good whereas Maru's has been periodically lackluster recently. Probably Life 3-1 Maru

Seems fair. ZvT is the one matchup that Life has kept really strong over a long period of time while it's the matchup I would most worry for Maru. I agree that Life should be favored

Life lost to fucking fantasy

you're right. he lost a bo1 to a weird build where he made some mistakes. he must be shit


Flash lost to Stork he's so washed up


Maru lost a game against Jim once


Jaedong lost to that taiwanese guy

(too harsh maybe?)
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 06 2014 13:47 GMT
#2489
On March 06 2014 22:46 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:45 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:44 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:43 Paljas wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:42 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:40 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:35 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:34 VisonKai wrote:
So wait, if Maru gets out first in his group he's against Life...

The match I was hoping for in the finals is in the ro8. :X



It's an easy pass to the Ro4 though


My heart hurts while deciding for who it is an easy pass. I'd say for Life at first, but my sympathy goes with Maru as well.


Without any disrespect to Maru I'd say that the match-up favors Life a lot. His ZvT is still really good whereas Maru's has been periodically lackluster recently. Probably Life 3-1 Maru

Seems fair. ZvT is the one matchup that Life has kept really strong over a long period of time while it's the matchup I would most worry for Maru. I agree that Life should be favored

Life lost to fucking fantasy

you're right. he lost a bo1 to a weird build where he made some mistakes. he must be shit


Flash lost to Stork he's so washed up


Maru lost a game against Jim once


He also lost vs "the worst player in the GSL".
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
March 06 2014 13:47 GMT
#2490
On March 06 2014 22:44 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:42 Ragnarork wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:41 Ragnarork wrote:
GSL Code S Ro 16 Group A

Final Match

1 - (P)Dear vs - (P)Zest 1

Game 3 - (Wiki)Polar Night LE


0:00
- Dear spawns at the top
- Zest spawns at the bottom


2:00
- gate for both
- dual gases for both
- core for both (what will they do next ... both ?)
- one more gate for Zest


4:30
- Twilight council for Zest
- Stargate for Dear
- Zest's zealot and stalker wandering on the map
- Blink started for Zest
- Dear adding two more gates
- Zest MSC spots the stargate, oh and a recall saves the MSC
- Phoenix out for Dear


7:00
- Zest drops a nexus at natural
- Dear making Voidrays (and everyone know voidrays are OP right ?)
- Zest poking with a dozen stalkers, dear forcefields his ramp
- Nexus for Dear, forge for Zest
- Zest runbies a few stalkers in Dear's main, and escapes with blink
- Dear still making immortals
- Dear repelling Zest stalkers with 1 void, an immortal and a handful of gate units
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 06 2014 13:47 GMT
#2491
On March 06 2014 22:46 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:45 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:44 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:43 Paljas wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:42 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:40 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:35 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:34 VisonKai wrote:
So wait, if Maru gets out first in his group he's against Life...

The match I was hoping for in the finals is in the ro8. :X



It's an easy pass to the Ro4 though


My heart hurts while deciding for who it is an easy pass. I'd say for Life at first, but my sympathy goes with Maru as well.


Without any disrespect to Maru I'd say that the match-up favors Life a lot. His ZvT is still really good whereas Maru's has been periodically lackluster recently. Probably Life 3-1 Maru

Seems fair. ZvT is the one matchup that Life has kept really strong over a long period of time while it's the matchup I would most worry for Maru. I agree that Life should be favored

Life lost to fucking fantasy

you're right. he lost a bo1 to a weird build where he made some mistakes. he must be shit


Flash lost to Stork he's so washed up


Maru lost a game against Jim once

Life lost a bo3 to sjow once.

Can you describe your emotional state at that time, I was beyond furious
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-06 13:47:56
March 06 2014 13:47 GMT
#2492
On March 06 2014 22:44 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:43 Paljas wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:42 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:40 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:35 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:34 VisonKai wrote:
So wait, if Maru gets out first in his group he's against Life...

The match I was hoping for in the finals is in the ro8. :X



It's an easy pass to the Ro4 though


My heart hurts while deciding for who it is an easy pass. I'd say for Life at first, but my sympathy goes with Maru as well.


Without any disrespect to Maru I'd say that the match-up favors Life a lot. His ZvT is still really good whereas Maru's has been periodically lackluster recently. Probably Life 3-1 Maru

Seems fair. ZvT is the one matchup that Life has kept really strong over a long period of time while it's the matchup I would most worry for Maru. I agree that Life should be favored

Life lost to fucking fantasy


One game versus a prepared build. Life may not be invincible in elimination rounds any more, but you're making a fool of yourself if you think one loss to Fantasy means Maru will wreck him or some shit

it just means that you underestimate maru and overestimate life.
his zvt isnt invincible by any means and maru isnt some TvZ scrub.
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 06 2014 13:48 GMT
#2493
On March 06 2014 22:46 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:45 liberate71 wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:43 NeThZOR wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:41 liberate71 wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:39 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:38 bo1b wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:33 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:29 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:
[quote]

Well... I said BW doesn't matter for SC2, I gave you examples. You told me those examples are wrong because they were of the PAST. Then I give you examples of the best BW players at the end of BW and now the problem is they were too RECENT?

I am sorry, so maybe I am right and BW results dont matter in SC2?


Good job zero reading comprehension. I'm saying their careers translated to SC2. BW players who were up and comers generally did really well going into SC2, BW players who were already veterans and naturally were falling off didn't do so well or retired. Esports players have life spans, that's just the way of it. Boxer / July retired even earlier.


You are full of contradictions thats what you are...

Zest wasn't an up and comer. Neither was herO. Soulkey, Rain were as old of players as hydra.
Sora left, Killer left.
As many veterans as up and comers left SC2.

BW != SC2


It's not a perfect algorithm but obviously players who were upcomers yet to reach their full potential either due to lack of a solid environment or age or experience would eventually over take the veterans who are getting older and mechanically less competitive. How is this difficult to understand. There are exceptions in some specific cases like Jaedong but they are few and far between.

Is it that hard to admit that the link between the two games is not as strong as you imply?

Is it that hard to admit that there is some correlation of PLAYER CAREER that isn't based on whether or not one game is better than the other?


From what I gather, He's not saying one game is better than the other.

He's saying that the 'crossover' was not as seamless as people assumed.

The way the game works is different, as such, the people who did well are different. Nothing to do with age/era etc.

We're close to proving Godwin's law here


I thank you for making me aware of such things, holy shit that's awesome.

P.S - you are the opposite to Hitler.

It's pretty cool but people use it as a proof of fallacy


One thing I've learned in LR's - there is like some kind of rule where if a conversation has more than 20 quoted posts in it - it may aswell contain "bleep bloop blah blah bonker wonk" for all its worth anymore :|
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
March 06 2014 13:48 GMT
#2494
On March 06 2014 22:47 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:46 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:45 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:44 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:43 Paljas wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:42 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:40 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:35 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:34 VisonKai wrote:
So wait, if Maru gets out first in his group he's against Life...

The match I was hoping for in the finals is in the ro8. :X



It's an easy pass to the Ro4 though


My heart hurts while deciding for who it is an easy pass. I'd say for Life at first, but my sympathy goes with Maru as well.


Without any disrespect to Maru I'd say that the match-up favors Life a lot. His ZvT is still really good whereas Maru's has been periodically lackluster recently. Probably Life 3-1 Maru

Seems fair. ZvT is the one matchup that Life has kept really strong over a long period of time while it's the matchup I would most worry for Maru. I agree that Life should be favored

Life lost to fucking fantasy

you're right. he lost a bo1 to a weird build where he made some mistakes. he must be shit


Flash lost to Stork he's so washed up


Maru lost a game against Jim once

Life lost a bo3 to sjow once.

Can you describe your emotional state at that time, I was beyond furious


also fantasy is the next zerg bonjwa so it's okay to loose against him.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
March 06 2014 13:48 GMT
#2495
On March 06 2014 22:46 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:45 Greenei wrote:
Life should actually be favored against Maru. Maru seemed quite weak to strong zerg like SK.

Yeah, against strong Zerg. So not Life.


Very true, strong is not a glorious enough adjective to describe Life.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 06 2014 13:48 GMT
#2496
On March 06 2014 22:46 opterown wrote:
maru loses to everyone and his dog online


Then saying that Life loses to everyone and his dog in Proleague makes him exempted from criticism? ^_^
AdministratorBreak the chains
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
March 06 2014 13:48 GMT
#2497
Meh, Dear is gonna lose ;/...
It appears I have been chosen.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 06 2014 13:48 GMT
#2498
That's why I thought about this map choice as a very bad one Let's see what happen
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 06 2014 13:48 GMT
#2499
On March 06 2014 22:48 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:47 bo1b wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:46 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:45 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:44 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:43 Paljas wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:42 Shellshock wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:40 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:37 boxerfred wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:35 Zealously wrote:
[quote]

It's an easy pass to the Ro4 though


My heart hurts while deciding for who it is an easy pass. I'd say for Life at first, but my sympathy goes with Maru as well.


Without any disrespect to Maru I'd say that the match-up favors Life a lot. His ZvT is still really good whereas Maru's has been periodically lackluster recently. Probably Life 3-1 Maru

Seems fair. ZvT is the one matchup that Life has kept really strong over a long period of time while it's the matchup I would most worry for Maru. I agree that Life should be favored

Life lost to fucking fantasy

you're right. he lost a bo1 to a weird build where he made some mistakes. he must be shit


Flash lost to Stork he's so washed up


Maru lost a game against Jim once

Life lost a bo3 to sjow once.

Can you describe your emotional state at that time, I was beyond furious


also fantasy is the next zerg bonjwa so it's okay to loose against him.


You sure are loose tonight
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
March 06 2014 13:49 GMT
#2500
Zest is so fucking cool.
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