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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
January 24 2014 09:59 GMT
#201
Hellion Banshee without Hellions? Thats a horrible start
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 24 2014 10:00 GMT
#202
On January 24 2014 18:59 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:56 Fjodorov wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:53 aZealot wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:48 Fjodorov wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:46 VKCA wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:43 Daswollvieh wrote:
I´m all for Terrans advancing, but at this point, I´m actually fine with Ryung and True.

please let this happen... Hydra has played some very nice games in sc2 and particularly since hots release, but holy shit man those games were not alright. dream why
maybe bio is loosing all the time against zerg now on the korean ladder and that's why there's been so much mech?
Haven't seen the parade push 4m style kill anybody in a while though.


Yeah Bio+WM seems dead atleast. Ive seen a couple of korean try Bio, Maru one of them, most of them have gone with hellbats instead of WM. Didnt work out in those particular matches though. I dont think we will see much bio play in TvZ in the future


Why is that? Zergs adapting or the WM nerf? Or maybe a bit of both?


I think zergs have become very good in the matchup, and they are know exactly what to expect from WM and can control engagements better. Also, WM nerf made it so that if you have a supply lead you can pretty much run over the terran and just disregard the WM. Also, mech with the hellion banshee opener has a nice transition flow and gives the terran a better control of the game and a good tool to force the zerg to me more active and reactive before the 10 min mark


This is similar to Protoss's argument. Every protoss happens to have their best matchup as P v T. Now every Zerg's best matchup is Z v T? Come on. Give me a break. Try terran guys, you will see the ridiculousness


Ehh. This is really not how it is.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
January 24 2014 10:00 GMT
#203
Damn, Ryung is going bio, what a brave man.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 24 2014 10:00 GMT
#204
On January 24 2014 18:56 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:53 Shellshock wrote:
[Code A] Group K GSL S1 2014
[image loading] (T)Ryung vs. [image loading] (Z)TRUE
Game 1
Map: Frost

0:00
Ryung spawns in the bottom right
TRUE spawns in the top right

2:00
hatch first for TRUE
CC first on the low ground for Ryung
pool for TRUE
overlord scouts CC first
rax for Ryung

3:00
gas for Ryung
3rd base for TRUE
gas for TRUE
bunker in the natural for Ryung

4:00
Factory for Ryung
2nd gas for Ryung
reactor for Ryung

5:00
ling speed for TRUE
Starport for Ryung
tech lab for Ryung
reactored hellion production for Ryung

6:00
cloak and banshee started for Ryung
overlord scouting from TRUE
TRUE scouts the starport and researching add on
both overlord scouts are killed

7:00 61 vs 61
3rd CC for Ryung
stim research started for Ryung
2 more rax for Ryung
spores for TRUE
2nd banshee for Ryung
22 lings for TRUE
double ebay for Ryung

8:00 64 vs 72
hellions move around the top of the map killing a creep tumor near the 3rd
TRUE has a defense waiting so Ryung backs off
banshee is denied from the natural of TRUE by a spore and queen
Lair for TRUE
viking for Ryung
1-1 started for Ryung
hellions move onto creep above the 3rd of TRUE
TRUE kills off all of the hellions

9:00 70 vs 85
2 banshees in the natural of TRUE are repelled by queens
double evo for TRUE
5 more gas for TRUE
2 more rax for Ryung

10:00 79 vs 85
viking killing overlords
queens save an overlord with transfuse and chase the viking away
combat shields for Ryung
spire for TRUE
Ryung lands his 3rd base
medivacs for Ryung
baneling nest for TRUE
2nd factory for Ryung
marauder production started for Ryung
armory for Ryung
+1 melee started for TRUE
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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
January 24 2014 10:00 GMT
#205
On January 24 2014 18:56 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:48 Fjodorov wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:46 VKCA wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:43 Daswollvieh wrote:
I´m all for Terrans advancing, but at this point, I´m actually fine with Ryung and True.

please let this happen... Hydra has played some very nice games in sc2 and particularly since hots release, but holy shit man those games were not alright. dream why
maybe bio is loosing all the time against zerg now on the korean ladder and that's why there's been so much mech?
Haven't seen the parade push 4m style kill anybody in a while though.


Yeah Bio+WM seems dead atleast. Ive seen a couple of korean try Bio, Maru one of them, most of them have gone with hellbats instead of WM. Didnt work out in those particular matches though. I dont think we will see much bio play in TvZ in the future

I don't really think bio is weak or unpopular... I just think Dream played like he was in Gold division.

Bio is still very viable. Build 2 turrets next to that bunker and Dream would have held that 3rd without having to pull workers or pull his army, then easily take a 4th. Could even put a single widow mine close by to scare/cripple the mutas even further.

It's not about bio being weak, it's about Terran players playing very stupid games, or playing good games but losing to situations or being outplayed by currently better ZvTers or lucky Zergs.
You can't go from bio being extremely good to bio no longer being viable without even having a major patch to force such a change.

Mech is just cool and being are finally finding out how to play it, so they are starting to use it more often.


Yeah, I mean as always with bio, you have the potential to outplay your opponent with micro and multitask. I dont mean its DEAD, I just mean that more pro players will prefer mech in the future because you are more in control of the game. Once you start losign engagements with bio its tends to snowball and you lose to the pure macro of the zerg.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
January 24 2014 10:00 GMT
#206
On January 24 2014 18:57 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:55 aZealot wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:54 Ragnarork wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:52 aZealot wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:46 Ragnarork wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:45 Shinta) wrote:
I don't want Ryung to advance today, but I don't want hydra or dream to advance after watching that series.
I guess I'll be rooting for TRUE hydra!


Ryung

(Oh well, if he loses and switch to Starbow, I'm totally okay with that <3)

On January 24 2014 18:45 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Waiting for "protoss op" as a reason that Dream lost.
Joking.

Seriously tho, I hope he goes through to Code s


Hydra abusing Yeonsu like a true proto---- wait.


Huh? Why would Ryung play Starbow if he loses?


They've played it already at Axiom (TB commented a game between Ryung and Impact), so, dunno, maybe they liked it?


Oh, ok, I get you now.


I strongly suggest you check it out. Really cool game (though obviously they don't master it, of course) :



I think I watched it, or one of those games. There were a few at that time. I've watched a couple since, and played some SB too. It's a cool game to play although I don't like to watch it as much. I do prefer SC2, though. To play and to watch.
KT best KT ~ 2014
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 24 2014 10:01 GMT
#207
First I read that mech is dead TvZ and now I read that mech is the only way to TvZ. It's so confusing.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 24 2014 10:01 GMT
#208
On January 24 2014 19:00 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:56 Shinta) wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:48 Fjodorov wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:46 VKCA wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:43 Daswollvieh wrote:
I´m all for Terrans advancing, but at this point, I´m actually fine with Ryung and True.

please let this happen... Hydra has played some very nice games in sc2 and particularly since hots release, but holy shit man those games were not alright. dream why
maybe bio is loosing all the time against zerg now on the korean ladder and that's why there's been so much mech?
Haven't seen the parade push 4m style kill anybody in a while though.


Yeah Bio+WM seems dead atleast. Ive seen a couple of korean try Bio, Maru one of them, most of them have gone with hellbats instead of WM. Didnt work out in those particular matches though. I dont think we will see much bio play in TvZ in the future

I don't really think bio is weak or unpopular... I just think Dream played like he was in Gold division.

Bio is still very viable. Build 2 turrets next to that bunker and Dream would have held that 3rd without having to pull workers or pull his army, then easily take a 4th. Could even put a single widow mine close by to scare/cripple the mutas even further.

It's not about bio being weak, it's about Terran players playing very stupid games, or playing good games but losing to situations or being outplayed by currently better ZvTers or lucky Zergs.
You can't go from bio being extremely good to bio no longer being viable without even having a major patch to force such a change.

Mech is just cool and being are finally finding out how to play it, so they are starting to use it more often.


Yeah, I mean as always with bio, you have the potential to outplay your opponent with micro and multitask. I dont mean its DEAD, I just mean that more pro players will prefer mech in the future because you are more in control of the game. Once you start losign engagements with bio its tends to snowball and you lose to the pure macro of the zerg.


Haven't similar arguments been made about mech, though? That you got this one, big army and if you lose it, you're dead. Kind of like what Protoss is like a lot of the time.

I think it's too early to say what will happen in the Korean metagame but we've seen styles come in and out of favour before.
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
January 24 2014 10:02 GMT
#209
On January 24 2014 19:01 AlternativeEgo wrote:
First I read that mech is dead TvZ and now I read that mech is the only way to TvZ. It's so confusing.


You got metagamed hard man
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 10:03:01
January 24 2014 10:02 GMT
#210
On January 24 2014 19:00 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:57 Ragnarork wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:55 aZealot wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:54 Ragnarork wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:52 aZealot wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:46 Ragnarork wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:45 Shinta) wrote:
I don't want Ryung to advance today, but I don't want hydra or dream to advance after watching that series.
I guess I'll be rooting for TRUE hydra!


Ryung

(Oh well, if he loses and switch to Starbow, I'm totally okay with that <3)

On January 24 2014 18:45 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Waiting for "protoss op" as a reason that Dream lost.
Joking.

Seriously tho, I hope he goes through to Code s


Hydra abusing Yeonsu like a true proto---- wait.


Huh? Why would Ryung play Starbow if he loses?


They've played it already at Axiom (TB commented a game between Ryung and Impact), so, dunno, maybe they liked it?


Oh, ok, I get you now.


I strongly suggest you check it out. Really cool game (though obviously they don't master it, of course) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95XGnRI8tec


I think I watched it, or one of those games. There were a few at that time. I've watched a couple since, and played some SB too. It's a cool game to play although I don't like to watch it as much. I do prefer SC2, though. To play and to watch.


To each his own

But seeing the next potential changes, I think I'll have a hard time keeping up with SC2 vanilla....

OT: Wow, did TRUE forget half of his army there ?
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Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
January 24 2014 10:02 GMT
#211
TRUE is at 128/200 supply... "Oh shit! He's killing an Overlord!" *makes 5 more*... What.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 10:03:49
January 24 2014 10:02 GMT
#212
What was that from true wtf

edit: oh ok nvm, I guess I missed the remainder of the army in the natural
Year of MaxPax
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
January 24 2014 10:03 GMT
#213
On January 24 2014 19:01 AlternativeEgo wrote:
First I read that mech is dead TvZ and now I read that mech is the only way to TvZ. It's so confusing.


mech is definitely favored by almost everyone now. So the Mine-nerf seems to have had a huge effect on the game. Also the combined upgrades for the formerly difficult air transition that is now easily doable. Some players still play bio-mine but they mostly lose. So I hope Ryung can do it
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
January 24 2014 10:03 GMT
#214
On January 24 2014 19:01 AlternativeEgo wrote:
First I read that mech is dead TvZ and now I read that mech is the only way to TvZ. It's so confusing.


My wording was poor and obviously caused some dramatic scenarios in some ppl head. We will always have stylistic choices and you can certainly win with Bio. But mech will be the prefered style in korea, has been for the last weeks, and will be more so in the future. Thats all
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
January 24 2014 10:03 GMT
#215
On January 24 2014 19:02 Elite_ wrote:
TRUE is at 128/200 supply... "Oh shit! He's killing an Overlord!" *makes 5 more*... What.


Hehe, dat over-reaction. I do it 100% of the time when I offrace Z
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 24 2014 10:04 GMT
#216
On January 24 2014 19:00 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:56 Shellshock wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:53 Shellshock wrote:
[Code A] Group K GSL S1 2014
[image loading] (T)Ryung vs. [image loading] (Z)TRUE
Game 1
Map: Frost

0:00
Ryung spawns in the bottom right
TRUE spawns in the top right

2:00
hatch first for TRUE
CC first on the low ground for Ryung
pool for TRUE
overlord scouts CC first
rax for Ryung

3:00
gas for Ryung
3rd base for TRUE
gas for TRUE
bunker in the natural for Ryung

4:00
Factory for Ryung
2nd gas for Ryung
reactor for Ryung

5:00
ling speed for TRUE
Starport for Ryung
tech lab for Ryung
reactored hellion production for Ryung

6:00
cloak and banshee started for Ryung
overlord scouting from TRUE
TRUE scouts the starport and researching add on
both overlord scouts are killed

7:00 61 vs 61
3rd CC for Ryung
stim research started for Ryung
2 more rax for Ryung
spores for TRUE
2nd banshee for Ryung
22 lings for TRUE
double ebay for Ryung

8:00 64 vs 72
hellions move around the top of the map killing a creep tumor near the 3rd
TRUE has a defense waiting so Ryung backs off
banshee is denied from the natural of TRUE by a spore and queen
Lair for TRUE
viking for Ryung
1-1 started for Ryung
hellions move onto creep above the 3rd of TRUE
TRUE kills off all of the hellions

9:00 70 vs 85
2 banshees in the natural of TRUE are repelled by queens
double evo for TRUE
5 more gas for TRUE
2 more rax for Ryung

10:00 79 vs 85
viking killing overlords
queens save an overlord with transfuse and chase the viking away
combat shields for Ryung
spire for TRUE
Ryung lands his 3rd base
medivacs for Ryung
baneling nest for TRUE
2nd factory for Ryung
marauder production started for Ryung
armory for Ryung
+1 melee started for TRUE

11:00 112 vs 102
+1 carapace for TRUE
4th base for TRUE
Ryung moving out with a marine medivac force to clean up creep
ling runby to the 3rd of Ryung is denied

12:00 140 vs 114
+1 flier attack for TRUE
baneling speed for TRUE
2-2 for Ryung
drilling claws for Ryung
+1 vehicle armor for Ryung
mutas started for TRUE
triple widow mine production for Ryung

13:00 163 vs 133
3 more rax for Ryung
Ryung killing off more creep
some banelings hit marines

14:00 184 vs 153
Ryung trying to push on creep near the 4th of TRUE
a drop pulls TRUE's army to the top of the map but escapes

15:00 200 vs 181
Ryung pushing the 4th of TRUE with his main army
medivacs being killed by spores
Ryung splits his army
2-2 is done for Ryung
4th CC for Ryung
drop at the 3rd of TRUE
3-3 for Ryung
TRUe pushes back the main army of Ryung
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Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
January 24 2014 10:04 GMT
#217
On January 24 2014 18:53 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:52 opterown wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:50 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:45 Shinta) wrote:
I don't want Ryung to advance today, but I don't want hydra or dream to advance after watching that series.
I guess I'll be rooting for TRUE hydra!

On January 24 2014 18:43 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
Game 3 Dream vs Hydra they were even base the whole game basically. How is Zerg winning so easily? Is Bio even viable anymore?

Hydra didn't deserve that at all. Give Terrans a break, blizzard.

LOL are you kidding me? Dream let hydra stomp him by doing literally nothing to stop his harass.
1 bunker and 0 turrets? lmao... Hydra didn't play at a high level, but Dream played like a huge noob.
Maybe you can say "hydra doesn't deserve Code S", but you sure as hell can NOT say that hydra didn't deserve that win, nor can you even begin to talk about balance.
Did you even watch the game???


Yes. You're just a Zerg player.

4M takes terran player outplaying Zerg by at least 3 fold to have a chance. Fact.

ridiculous argument


To beat 4M all zerg has to do is lead his army with lings (very easy micro) and make sure banes don't hit bad targets (very easy micro). It's really as simple as that. Other than that, macro, which is, again, very easy.

Using your logic, all Terran has to do is a click marauders while burrowing mines and moving marines back.
Requires 2 whole hot keys.....

Truth is, no micro is that simple. Fact of the matter is, none of that had anything to do with Dream getting demolished. That game was all about Dream not making turrets, and honestly, not trying at all to win the game. He did almost nothing correctly.
Many NA and EU pros would have beaten hydra with bio in that series.
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PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 10:10:54
January 24 2014 10:04 GMT
#218
On January 24 2014 18:54 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:53 aZealot wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:48 Fjodorov wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:46 VKCA wrote:
On January 24 2014 18:43 Daswollvieh wrote:
I´m all for Terrans advancing, but at this point, I´m actually fine with Ryung and True.

please let this happen... Hydra has played some very nice games in sc2 and particularly since hots release, but holy shit man those games were not alright. dream why
maybe bio is loosing all the time against zerg now on the korean ladder and that's why there's been so much mech?
Haven't seen the parade push 4m style kill anybody in a while though.


Yeah Bio+WM seems dead atleast. Ive seen a couple of korean try Bio, Maru one of them, most of them have gone with hellbats instead of WM. Didnt work out in those particular matches though. I dont think we will see much bio play in TvZ in the future


Why is that? Zergs adapting or the WM nerf? Or maybe a bit of both?


They continue to nerf terran into the ground, despite terran struggling at every level.

When the Korean terrans start failing, you know all other terrans are already fucked.

Why did terran players dissappear and this game die? I wonder..

Can you go cry a river somewhere else? This is not a Terran whine thread. Hydra played terrible but Dream was even worse today. He can do a lot better than that, he didn't so he lost. Big deal.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
January 24 2014 10:05 GMT
#219
btw, Ryung looking strong!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 24 2014 10:05 GMT
#220
This game is strange. I didn't see Ryung get in any nice damage early on, but he seems ahead in every way
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