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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24584 Posts
On January 24 2014 18:59 AnonymousSC2 wrote: This is similar to Protoss's argument. Every protoss happens to have their best matchup as P v T. Now every Zerg's best matchup is Z v T? Come on. Give me a break. Try terran guys, you will see the ridiculousness Ehh. This is really not how it is. | ||
Destructicon
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 24 2014 18:56 Shellshock wrote: 2:00 hatch first for TRUE CC first on the low ground for Ryung pool for TRUE overlord scouts CC first rax for Ryung 3:00 gas for Ryung 3rd base for TRUE gas for TRUE bunker in the natural for Ryung 4:00 Factory for Ryung 2nd gas for Ryung reactor for Ryung 5:00 ling speed for TRUE Starport for Ryung tech lab for Ryung reactored hellion production for Ryung 6:00 cloak and banshee started for Ryung overlord scouting from TRUE TRUE scouts the starport and researching add on both overlord scouts are killed 7:00  61 vs  613rd CC for Ryung stim research started for Ryung 2 more rax for Ryung spores for TRUE 2nd banshee for Ryung 22 lings for TRUE double ebay for Ryung 8:00 64 vs 72hellions move around the top of the map killing a creep tumor near the 3rd TRUE has a defense waiting so Ryung backs off banshee is denied from the natural of TRUE by a spore and queen Lair for TRUE viking for Ryung 1-1 started for Ryung hellions move onto creep above the 3rd of TRUE TRUE kills off all of the hellions 9:00 70 vs 852 banshees in the natural of TRUE are repelled by queens double evo for TRUE 5 more gas for TRUE 2 more rax for Ryung 10:00 79 vs 85viking killing overlords queens save an overlord with transfuse and chase the viking away combat shields for Ryung spire for TRUE Ryung lands his 3rd base medivacs for Ryung baneling nest for TRUE 2nd factory for Ryung marauder production started for Ryung armory for Ryung +1 melee started for TRUE | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On January 24 2014 18:56 Shinta) wrote: I don't really think bio is weak or unpopular... I just think Dream played like he was in Gold division. Bio is still very viable. Build 2 turrets next to that bunker and Dream would have held that 3rd without having to pull workers or pull his army, then easily take a 4th. Could even put a single widow mine close by to scare/cripple the mutas even further. It's not about bio being weak, it's about Terran players playing very stupid games, or playing good games but losing to situations or being outplayed by currently better ZvTers or lucky Zergs. You can't go from bio being extremely good to bio no longer being viable without even having a major patch to force such a change. Mech is just cool and being are finally finding out how to play it, so they are starting to use it more often. Yeah, I mean as always with bio, you have the potential to outplay your opponent with micro and multitask. I dont mean its DEAD, I just mean that more pro players will prefer mech in the future because you are more in control of the game. Once you start losign engagements with bio its tends to snowball and you lose to the pure macro of the zerg. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On January 24 2014 18:57 Ragnarork wrote: I strongly suggest you check it out. Really cool game (though obviously they don't master it, of course) : I think I watched it, or one of those games. There were a few at that time. I've watched a couple since, and played some SB too. It's a cool game to play although I don't like to watch it as much. I do prefer SC2, though. To play and to watch. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24584 Posts
On January 24 2014 19:00 Fjodorov wrote: Yeah, I mean as always with bio, you have the potential to outplay your opponent with micro and multitask. I dont mean its DEAD, I just mean that more pro players will prefer mech in the future because you are more in control of the game. Once you start losign engagements with bio its tends to snowball and you lose to the pure macro of the zerg. Haven't similar arguments been made about mech, though? That you got this one, big army and if you lose it, you're dead. Kind of like what Protoss is like a lot of the time. I think it's too early to say what will happen in the Korean metagame but we've seen styles come in and out of favour before. | ||
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Dinotramp
Nauru2871 Posts
On January 24 2014 19:01 AlternativeEgo wrote: First I read that mech is dead TvZ and now I read that mech is the only way to TvZ. It's so confusing. You got metagamed hard man | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On January 24 2014 19:00 aZealot wrote: I think I watched it, or one of those games. There were a few at that time. I've watched a couple since, and played some SB too. It's a cool game to play although I don't like to watch it as much. I do prefer SC2, though. To play and to watch. To each his own  But seeing the next potential changes, I think I'll have a hard time keeping up with SC2 vanilla.... OT: Wow, did TRUE forget half of his army there ? | ||
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
edit: oh ok nvm, I guess I missed the remainder of the army in the natural | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On January 24 2014 19:01 AlternativeEgo wrote: First I read that mech is dead TvZ and now I read that mech is the only way to TvZ. It's so confusing. mech is definitely favored by almost everyone now. So the Mine-nerf seems to have had a huge effect on the game. Also the combined upgrades for the formerly difficult air transition that is now easily doable. Some players still play bio-mine but they mostly lose. So I hope Ryung can do it | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On January 24 2014 19:01 AlternativeEgo wrote: First I read that mech is dead TvZ and now I read that mech is the only way to TvZ. It's so confusing. My wording was poor and obviously caused some dramatic scenarios in some ppl head. We will always have stylistic choices and you can certainly win with Bio. But mech will be the prefered style in korea, has been for the last weeks, and will be more so in the future. Thats all | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On January 24 2014 19:02 Elite_ wrote: TRUE is at 128/200 supply... "Oh shit! He's killing an Overlord!" *makes 5 more*... What. Hehe, dat over-reaction. I do it 100% of the time when I offrace Z | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 24 2014 19:00 Shellshock wrote: 6:00 cloak and banshee started for Ryung overlord scouting from TRUE TRUE scouts the starport and researching add on both overlord scouts are killed 7:00 61 vs 613rd CC for Ryung stim research started for Ryung 2 more rax for Ryung spores for TRUE 2nd banshee for Ryung 22 lings for TRUE double ebay for Ryung 8:00 64 vs 72hellions move around the top of the map killing a creep tumor near the 3rd TRUE has a defense waiting so Ryung backs off banshee is denied from the natural of TRUE by a spore and queen Lair for TRUE viking for Ryung 1-1 started for Ryung hellions move onto creep above the 3rd of TRUE TRUE kills off all of the hellions 9:00 70 vs 852 banshees in the natural of TRUE are repelled by queens double evo for TRUE 5 more gas for TRUE 2 more rax for Ryung 10:00 79 vs 85viking killing overlords queens save an overlord with transfuse and chase the viking away combat shields for Ryung spire for TRUE Ryung lands his 3rd base medivacs for Ryung baneling nest for TRUE 2nd factory for Ryung marauder production started for Ryung armory for Ryung +1 melee started for TRUE 11:00 112 vs 102+1 carapace for TRUE 4th base for TRUE Ryung moving out with a marine medivac force to clean up creep ling runby to the 3rd of Ryung is denied 12:00 140 vs 114+1 flier attack for TRUE baneling speed for TRUE 2-2 for Ryung drilling claws for Ryung +1 vehicle armor for Ryung mutas started for TRUE triple widow mine production for Ryung 13:00 163 vs 1333 more rax for Ryung Ryung killing off more creep some banelings hit marines 14:00 184 vs 153Ryung trying to push on creep near the 4th of TRUE a drop pulls TRUE's army to the top of the map but escapes 15:00 200 vs 181Ryung pushing the 4th of TRUE with his main army medivacs being killed by spores Ryung splits his army 2-2 is done for Ryung 4th CC for Ryung drop at the 3rd of TRUE 3-3 for Ryung TRUe pushes back the main army of Ryung | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 24 2014 18:53 AnonymousSC2 wrote: To beat 4M all zerg has to do is lead his army with lings (very easy micro) and make sure banes don't hit bad targets (very easy micro). It's really as simple as that. Other than that, macro, which is, again, very easy. Using your logic, all Terran has to do is a click marauders while burrowing mines and moving marines back. Requires 2 whole hot keys..... Truth is, no micro is that simple. Fact of the matter is, none of that had anything to do with Dream getting demolished. That game was all about Dream not making turrets, and honestly, not trying at all to win the game. He did almost nothing correctly. Many NA and EU pros would have beaten hydra with bio in that series. | ||
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PPN
France248 Posts
On January 24 2014 18:54 AnonymousSC2 wrote: They continue to nerf terran into the ground, despite terran struggling at every level. When the Korean terrans start failing, you know all other terrans are already fucked. Why did terran players dissappear and this game die? I wonder.. Can you go cry a river somewhere else? This is not a Terran whine thread. Hydra played terrible but Dream was even worse today. He can do a lot better than that, he didn't so he lost. Big deal. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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