So, Prime's definately got a shot here. Although I think that overall gameflow favours Samsung And perhaps Prime's even got the edge in ace with the awesomeness of (Go)Jila
Kal and Creator will crumble under bl/sh/infestor, Stork will win his first game in SPL.
3-0 Samsung ezpz. Prime is really doing unbelievable things - even against Samsung KHAN, team which was considered as 6/7 place in SPL, we can predict easy 0-3. Sad.
Gojila going against the second villain zerg in a row. Hope he can he prevail. But I highly doubt it. KassiA and Terror gotta step up their game big time.
I'd like it if Terror actually won a game for a change. I took him as a two-pointer for FPL because he gets fielded every match, but it hasn't paid off yet =/
On January 13 2014 18:38 Tchado wrote: So one team match not including a single terran is going to be a tradition now ???? :S , the next match has a bunch , not bad.
Unless you are KT, pretty much yes. TvT is quite dead in Proleague.
On January 13 2014 18:48 Destructicon wrote: Yeah the probe and zealot micro was beautiful, but the decision making was sketchy at best.
Decision making was based on what I said before, you cant judge somebodys decision making when they cant see what we see
I meant building the MSC at the nat, that was really greedy. Had the MSC come out he might have had a chance to come back into the game, even if he lost the nat nexus.
On January 13 2014 18:48 Destructicon wrote: Yeah the probe and zealot micro was beautiful, but the decision making was sketchy at best.
Decision making was based on what I said before, you cant judge somebodys decision making when they cant see what we see
I meant building the MSC at the nat, that was really greedy. Had the MSC come out he might have had a chance to come back into the game, even if he lost the nat nexus.
Lose the natural, lose the game, doesn't matter where the MSC comes from
On January 13 2014 18:48 Destructicon wrote: Yeah the probe and zealot micro was beautiful, but the decision making was sketchy at best.
Decision making was based on what I said before, you cant judge somebodys decision making when they cant see what we see
I meant building the MSC at the nat, that was really greedy. Had the MSC come out he might have had a chance to come back into the game, even if he lost the nat nexus.
Lose the natural, lose the game, doesn't matter where the MSC comes from
How so? Shine's own nat and tech was delayed, his drone count was low and he only had army. If Kal loses the nat the game essentially looks like a GW first vs a 2 hatch before pool game, not so bad for the Protoss.
On January 13 2014 18:47 ACrow wrote: And that's it for one of the most overrated new comers in SC2 recently.
lol. Kal a newcomer. Also how is this game indicative of anything. Lolol 10 pool against nexus first gate. Anybody can hold that.
newcomer in SC2 reading good skill toi have
Actually Kal is not a newcomer to SC2. He played in hybrid proleague for ACE, and if I remember corectly, took out innovation even. But he is a newcomer to HotS.
On January 13 2014 18:47 ACrow wrote: And that's it for one of the most overrated new comers in SC2 recently.
lol. Kal a newcomer. Also how is this game indicative of anything. Lolol 10 pool against nexus first gate. Anybody can hold that.
newcomer in SC2 reading good skill toi have
Actually Kal is not a newcomer to SC2. He played in hybrid proleague for ACE, and if I remember corectly, took out innovation even. But he is a newcomer to HotS.
Oh I actually didn't know that. Thank you for the polite reply <3
On January 13 2014 19:07 robson1 wrote: Creator dude. Switch to a different game. I love you but you look like a bronze league player. I think the pressure is to much or something.
If you're a big enough fan you should cut that attitude
On January 13 2014 19:07 robson1 wrote: Creator dude. Switch to a different game. I love you but you look like a bronze league player. I think the pressure is to much or something.
If you're a big enough fan you should cut that attitude
Well I think he's kinda wasting his time at this point..
On January 13 2014 19:07 robson1 wrote: Creator dude. Switch to a different game. I love you but you look like a bronze league player. I think the pressure is to much or something.
If you're a big enough fan you should cut that attitude
Well I think he's kinda wasting his time at this point..
Creator has always been a unique player. He takes time to find his own style, but he is very talented. Give it time.
On January 13 2014 19:07 robson1 wrote: Creator dude. Switch to a different game. I love you but you look like a bronze league player. I think the pressure is to much or something.
If you're a big enough fan you should cut that attitude
Well I think he's kinda wasting his time at this point..
Creator has always been a unique player. He takes time to find his own style, but he is very talented. Give it time.
I sure hope so, but he looks tormented when he loses.
On January 13 2014 19:07 robson1 wrote: Creator dude. Switch to a different game. I love you but you look like a bronze league player. I think the pressure is to much or something.
If you're a big enough fan you should cut that attitude
Well I think he's kinda wasting his time at this point..
Creator has always been a unique player. He takes time to find his own style, but he is very talented. Give it time.
I hope something clicks for him one of these days, seeing him lose over and over again is heartbreaking.
On January 13 2014 19:07 robson1 wrote: Creator dude. Switch to a different game. I love you but you look like a bronze league player. I think the pressure is to much or something.
If you're a big enough fan you should cut that attitude
Well I think he's kinda wasting his time at this point..
Creator has always been a unique player. He takes time to find his own style, but he is very talented. Give it time.
On January 13 2014 19:11 Lazzi wrote: That was really well played by Roro
yep, I think a lot of other Z would have just crumbled under the mass VR, Roro was very smart how to react to it; constant ling threatening, taking the whole map, using mass Queen+Inf to battle eye to eye in the mid game and avoiding/stalling in late game was all very well practiced, I wouldn't be surprised if he said in the post game interview that he expected exactly this from Creator. Good play and preparation by Roro and Samsung here.
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well we can always argue that Kespa teams didn't fight esf teams when they still were strong. So if I would want to life in denial it would be rather easy.
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
Partially because they bought the best esf guys.
It's 2014 and we're still discussing about that...?
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
Partially because they bought the best esf guys.
It's 2014 and we're still discussing about that...?
#sad
I'm just saying the " esf " teams have been losing so far, even IM has looked rather helpless against CJ and SKT. MVP and Prime are significantly weaker than IM, too.
On January 13 2014 19:25 Mozdk wrote: Konstant health bars ffs. I have no clue why most casters have stopped showing health bars at all times. It's fucking annoying!
The PL caster isn't that good in general unfortunately. He misses so much I want Legend for PL as well
I have no idea why he went for an ultra remax. I feel like ultras are only good for a timing attack against a collosus composition, but after the protoss gets a few immortals and archons they just melt so quick.
On January 13 2014 19:34 Zheryn wrote: I have no idea why he went for an ultra remax. I feel like ultras are only good for a timing attack against a collosus composition, but after the protoss gets a few immortals and archons they just melt so quick.
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
Partially because they bought the best esf guys.
It's 2014 and we're still discussing about that...?
#sad
I'm just saying the " esf " teams have been losing so far, even IM has looked rather helpless against CJ and SKT. MVP and Prime are significantly weaker than IM, too.
It still doesn't achieve anything. And we could go on long enough on how KeSPA teams had way more time to establish a professional structure than eSF teams, especially one that fits the Proleague, a competitions eSF teams have NO experience at all in, how difference between players are quite irrelevant today as we have very good players from both organization, how eSF is on the decline and some of its best players are going to KeSPA teams (PartinG, Maru).
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
Partially because they bought the best esf guys.
It's 2014 and we're still discussing about that...?
#sad
I'm just saying the " esf " teams have been losing so far, even IM has looked rather helpless against CJ and SKT. MVP and Prime are significantly weaker than IM, too.
It still doesn't achieve anything. And we could go on long enough on how KeSPA teams had way more time to establish a professional structure than eSF teams, especially one that fits the Proleague, a competitions eSF teams have NO experience at all in, how difference between players are quite irrelevant today as we have very good players from both organization, how eSF is on the decline and some of its best players are going to KeSPA teams (PartinG, Maru).
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
Partially because they bought the best esf guys.
It's 2014 and we're still discussing about that...?
#sad
I'm just saying the " esf " teams have been losing so far, even IM has looked rather helpless against CJ and SKT. MVP and Prime are significantly weaker than IM, too.
It still doesn't achieve anything. And we could go on long enough on how KeSPA teams had way more time to establish a professional structure than eSF teams, especially one that fits the Proleague, a competitions eSF teams have NO experience at all in, how difference between players are quite irrelevant today as we have very good players from both organization, how eSF is on the decline and some of its best players are going to KeSPA teams (PartinG, Maru).
That would still be pointless.
Dat pointlessness - I agree.
Lets leave that shit back in 2012/2013 shall we?
I think that'd be way better... I actually can ignore these discussion, but IMO they unecessarily pollute the LRs
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
Partially because they bought the best esf guys.
It's 2014 and we're still discussing about that...?
#sad
I'm just saying the " esf " teams have been losing so far, even IM has looked rather helpless against CJ and SKT. MVP and Prime are significantly weaker than IM, too.
It still doesn't achieve anything. And we could go on long enough on how KeSPA teams had way more time to establish a professional structure than eSF teams, especially one that fits the Proleague, a competitions eSF teams have NO experience at all in, how difference between players are quite irrelevant today as we have very good players from both organization, how eSF is on the decline and some of its best players are going to KeSPA teams (PartinG, Maru).
That would still be pointless.
Dat pointlessness - I agree.
Lets leave that shit back in 2012/2013 shall we?
let's leave comparison's about the teams in the 2014 proleague back in 2012? ok
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
Partially because they bought the best esf guys.
It's 2014 and we're still discussing about that...?
#sad
I'm just saying the " esf " teams have been losing so far, even IM has looked rather helpless against CJ and SKT. MVP and Prime are significantly weaker than IM, too.
I disagree. Both of IM's matches were competitive and could've gone the other way several times.
Prime is a punching bag, but MVP and IM have only either played SKT and CJ who were probably both the strongest on paper coming into this season.
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
Partially because they bought the best esf guys.
It's 2014 and we're still discussing about that...?
#sad
I'm just saying the " esf " teams have been losing so far, even IM has looked rather helpless against CJ and SKT. MVP and Prime are significantly weaker than IM, too.
It still doesn't achieve anything. And we could go on long enough on how KeSPA teams had way more time to establish a professional structure than eSF teams, especially one that fits the Proleague, a competitions eSF teams have NO experience at all in, how difference between players are quite irrelevant today as we have very good players from both organization, how eSF is on the decline and some of its best players are going to KeSPA teams (PartinG, Maru).
That would still be pointless.
Dat pointlessness - I agree.
Lets leave that shit back in 2012/2013 shall we?
let's leave comparison's about the teams in the 2014 proleague back in 2012? ok
You know I'm talking about the KeSPA/eSF stuff Dodgin, don't be a tit
tbh when the new pl format was announced it seemed a bit silly to have maybe only 3 bo1s played in a match but damn i cant stop watching every clanwar from start to finish, somehow im totally hooked into this season
wolf and brendon are great, production is great, the mix of kespa and esf teams is exciting, everything is just awesome
On January 13 2014 19:15 TaShadan wrote: Former esf teams cant keep up in PL?
Top 4 player in PL: Maru Parting TY and Byul. Now how many of them are really kespa pros?
Kespa just naturally better. elephant in the room. # year of the elephant.
well it's more about the teams, not the players, and it's true that a former esf team hasn't won against a bw team yet isn't it?
Well i think the inital argument was: All Kespa pros will rape all the b-team SCII scrubs when they switch, and whenever someone is coming with that keeeeeeeeeespaaaa shit, i just laugh. Kespa teams are way better than esf obviously.
Partially because they bought the best esf guys.
It's 2014 and we're still discussing about that...?
#sad
I'm just saying the " esf " teams have been losing so far, even IM has looked rather helpless against CJ and SKT. MVP and Prime are significantly weaker than IM, too.
It still doesn't achieve anything. And we could go on long enough on how KeSPA teams had way more time to establish a professional structure than eSF teams, especially one that fits the Proleague, a competitions eSF teams have NO experience at all in, how difference between players are quite irrelevant today as we have very good players from both organization, how eSF is on the decline and some of its best players are going to KeSPA teams (PartinG, Maru).
That would still be pointless.
Dat pointlessness - I agree.
Lets leave that shit back in 2012/2013 shall we?
let's leave comparison's about the teams in the 2014 proleague back in 2012? ok
That's quite missing the point... Nothing prevents you from comparing the teams.
On January 13 2014 19:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Not the best desicion making by Kassia, but he shows a lot of talent and potential. Hope he can do better next time.
Yeah KassiA has impressed me the most out of Prime's new recruits (barring Kal).
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
But Prime is really looking worse and worse. I hadn't watched Creator and Kal's games, however their games finished in 40 minutes both against Zergs, so it wasn't close i guess.
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
This. IM only won against other former ESF teams. :D
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
welp if they still had yoda and first, that prob would be true..
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their latter 2 opponents :/
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their latter 2 opponents :/
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
I thought they would do good but they lost three key players.
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their later 2 opponents :/
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their latter 2 opponents :/
and on the same note, a lot of people expected CJ to be 1st or 2nd this season, and they lost 3 straight without even playing SKT.
You can spin shit however you want if you try - except making Prime look good I guess.
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their latter 2 opponents :/
CJ is hardly an improvement over Prime and MVP.
Sure they are. I think it's generally considered that they're underperforming so far. Prior to this season they were probably the 2nd most hyped team.
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their latter 2 opponents :/
CJ is hardly an improvement over Prime and MVP.
Sure they are. I think it's generally considered that they're underperforming so far. Prior to this season they were probably the 2nd most hyped team.
I think people favoured them over SKT until dat Soulkey acquisition.
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their latter 2 opponents :/
and on the same note, a lot of people expected CJ to be 1st or 2nd this season, and they lost 3 straight without even playing SKT.
You can spin shit however you want if you try - except making Prime look good I guess.
Well, some people tried to make Kal look like the next bonjwa after he cheesed two times. Anything's possible :D
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their latter 2 opponents :/
and on the same note, a lot of people expected CJ to be 1st or 2nd this season, and they lost 3 straight without even playing SKT.
You can spin shit however you want if you try - except making Prime look good I guess.
Well, some people tried to make Kal look like the next bonjwa after he cheesed two times. Anything's possible :D
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their latter 2 opponents :/
and on the same note, a lot of people expected CJ to be 1st or 2nd this season, and they lost 3 straight without even playing SKT.
You can spin shit however you want if you try - except making Prime look good I guess.
Well, some people tried to make Kal look like the next bonjwa after he cheesed two times. Anything's possible :D
He still deserves some credit for cheesing Soulkey and winning. The latter has been known for his great defense skills, so...
On January 13 2014 19:41 PerSe wrote: IM is just overrated by some people, nothing to do with 'Kespa.' People who had their heads on their shoulders predicted IM to be around 4th.
IM only appeared to do well because they had prime and mvp as their first 2 opponents
IM only appeared to do bad because they had SKT and CJ as their latter 2 opponents :/
and on the same note, a lot of people expected CJ to be 1st or 2nd this season, and they lost 3 straight without even playing SKT.
You can spin shit however you want if you try - except making Prime look good I guess.
Well, some people tried to make Kal look like the next bonjwa after he cheesed two times. Anything's possible :D
He still deserves some credit for cheesing Soulkey and winning. The latter has been known for his great defense skills, so...
I've always thought his defense was only good as the game got going.
It feels like he's been cheesed more than he's been macro'd anyway ;o
Damn, only now I realized that I traded Creator for MVPShine instead of Samsumg Shine hahaha. Now I probably have less points than anyone playing seriously
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