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ASUS ROG Winter 2014: Jan 31-Feb 1 - Page 3

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McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
December 22 2013 09:29 GMT
#41
On December 22 2013 07:54 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 07:34 McRatyn wrote:
The 4000 is somehow split, like prize pool, or is it winner takes all?

It's split. (Wiki)2014 StarCraft II World Championship Series


Thank you! Didn't occure to me to check it myself, too lazy
danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
December 22 2013 10:02 GMT
#42
ah, after the disaster in Germany we go back into old habits and try to show off a good tourney in Helsinki.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 22 2013 10:17 GMT
#43
is this gonna be the first tournament of the year to give wcs points? if so, whoever wins this = best player in the world, because internet logic
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
December 22 2013 10:51 GMT
#44
At first I misread it as during the New Year's Eve, that would be interesting to say the least! :D
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
December 22 2013 10:52 GMT
#45
10k for the first place ? Taeja wins
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Aridhol
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany59 Posts
December 22 2013 10:53 GMT
#46
Overlaps with Sao Paulo -.-
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
December 22 2013 15:23 GMT
#47
Awesome! Should be a sick event :D (Especially with the new, larger venue!)

The last ROG had a totally different production crew / organization involved - Helsinki has already hosted this event four times and Finnish internet is top tier.

Overlapping with Sao Paulo shouldn't be too big a deal because of time zone differences :D

DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 18:33:11
December 22 2013 18:28 GMT
#48
I really dislike how tournaments that give WCS points can have 75% invites. It gives such an advantage to already popular players.

I'm not sure if inviting based off of last years WCS points is better or worse, but at least it's fair. This way, ASUS ROG can decide to invite any player they like. It's especially bad since they are sponsoring a player who plays in the WCS (Desrow).

I'm very much fine with having invites to tournaments, but then they shouldn't give WCS points imo.

edit: To ASUS ROG: How do you decide the invites? Do you have any rules for it?

I sound really bitter, but other than WCS part I really love these tournaments and it will be a blast as always!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
December 23 2013 06:31 GMT
#49
People are strange when you're a stranger, faces look ugly when you're alone, women seem wicked when you're unwanted, streets are uneven when you're down.


I wish they'd have more qualifying spots open, but really looking forward to this years format and seeing how it all plays out.
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 23 2013 09:59 GMT
#50
On December 23 2013 03:28 DJHelium wrote:
I really dislike how tournaments that give WCS points can have 75% invites. It gives such an advantage to already popular players.

I'm not sure if inviting based off of last years WCS points is better or worse, but at least it's fair. This way, ASUS ROG can decide to invite any player they like. It's especially bad since they are sponsoring a player who plays in the WCS (Desrow).

I'm very much fine with having invites to tournaments, but then they shouldn't give WCS points imo.

edit: To ASUS ROG: How do you decide the invites? Do you have any rules for it?

I sound really bitter, but other than WCS part I really love these tournaments and it will be a blast as always!

At least the WCS points are only for top 16+, so they can´t invite anyone into points directly and since they will invite some people, who would probably qualify anyway, I think there will not be to much of a problem, although I agree with your general point.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 23 2013 12:22 GMT
#51
On December 23 2013 18:59 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 03:28 DJHelium wrote:
I really dislike how tournaments that give WCS points can have 75% invites. It gives such an advantage to already popular players.

I'm not sure if inviting based off of last years WCS points is better or worse, but at least it's fair. This way, ASUS ROG can decide to invite any player they like. It's especially bad since they are sponsoring a player who plays in the WCS (Desrow).

I'm very much fine with having invites to tournaments, but then they shouldn't give WCS points imo.

edit: To ASUS ROG: How do you decide the invites? Do you have any rules for it?

I sound really bitter, but other than WCS part I really love these tournaments and it will be a blast as always!

At least the WCS points are only for top 16+, so they can´t invite anyone into points directly and since they will invite some people, who would probably qualify anyway, I think there will not be to much of a problem, although I agree with your general point.


I think the bigger deal is something like what happened with IEM and Revival last year. Tournament invites can make or break players chance of getting to Blizzcon.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#52
On December 23 2013 21:22 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 18:59 Xoronius wrote:
On December 23 2013 03:28 DJHelium wrote:
I really dislike how tournaments that give WCS points can have 75% invites. It gives such an advantage to already popular players.

I'm not sure if inviting based off of last years WCS points is better or worse, but at least it's fair. This way, ASUS ROG can decide to invite any player they like. It's especially bad since they are sponsoring a player who plays in the WCS (Desrow).

I'm very much fine with having invites to tournaments, but then they shouldn't give WCS points imo.

edit: To ASUS ROG: How do you decide the invites? Do you have any rules for it?

I sound really bitter, but other than WCS part I really love these tournaments and it will be a blast as always!

At least the WCS points are only for top 16+, so they can´t invite anyone into points directly and since they will invite some people, who would probably qualify anyway, I think there will not be to much of a problem, although I agree with your general point.


I think the bigger deal is something like what happened with IEM and Revival last year. Tournament invites can make or break players chance of getting to Blizzcon.

I think the the whole Revival-thing last year got more attention, than it sould have gotten. The seeds were supposed to be given out by WCS points, so Revival would have gotten one of the original seeds, if IEM would´nt have given a welfare seed to Flash, who had about 1000 points less than revival. So Revivals seed should have been there originally, according to the rules, with Flash having to play the open bracket and Nerchio getting ForGG´s forfeit seed.
Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
December 23 2013 14:19 GMT
#53
On December 22 2013 16:20 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 14:00 Bagration wrote:
On December 22 2013 09:14 Darkdwarf wrote:
Invites are killing esports. (no, but seriously, they suck)


See, now that's the thing. When you have too many invites, it's hard for up and coming players to have an opportunity to come unless the tournament strategically invites them.

However, that's not always in the best interest of the tournaments, who want the fan favorites that will bring in viewership. They are interested in hyping up and maximizing interest in their own weekend tournament, which could be done by inviting fan favorites.

And viewers are fickle. We say now that invites suck and that we should have more open qualifiers, but when Koreans that we don't know very well make it through, we complain that there's no one interesting and we lose interest. Imagine a tournament without any EG, Liquid, Mouz, Axiom-Acer, etc. No Hyun, no Polt, no Life, no DRG. Let's not kid ourselves, most people would not be happy.

We don't even know what we want


I think we know what we want. We just don't agree. I'd rather have no invites, everyone earns a spot. But I want the qualifiers casted too, because upsets are exciting.



You prefer watching Solar, Hurricane, Hack over Taeja, Jaedong, Polt, Life?? Really??
Maybe, but you might be the only one (or one of very few).

But i agree this far that we should have at least 1/2 of the tournament seats through qualifiers.
So we have the fan-favorits and local heros on invite-spots and enough room to qualifiy for the talented rest....
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 23 2013 19:29 GMT
#54
On December 23 2013 23:19 Bjarne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2013 16:20 BronzeKnee wrote:
On December 22 2013 14:00 Bagration wrote:
On December 22 2013 09:14 Darkdwarf wrote:
Invites are killing esports. (no, but seriously, they suck)


See, now that's the thing. When you have too many invites, it's hard for up and coming players to have an opportunity to come unless the tournament strategically invites them.

However, that's not always in the best interest of the tournaments, who want the fan favorites that will bring in viewership. They are interested in hyping up and maximizing interest in their own weekend tournament, which could be done by inviting fan favorites.

And viewers are fickle. We say now that invites suck and that we should have more open qualifiers, but when Koreans that we don't know very well make it through, we complain that there's no one interesting and we lose interest. Imagine a tournament without any EG, Liquid, Mouz, Axiom-Acer, etc. No Hyun, no Polt, no Life, no DRG. Let's not kid ourselves, most people would not be happy.

We don't even know what we want


I think we know what we want. We just don't agree. I'd rather have no invites, everyone earns a spot. But I want the qualifiers casted too, because upsets are exciting.



You prefer watching Solar, Hurricane, Hack over Taeja, Jaedong, Polt, Life?? Really??
Maybe, but you might be the only one (or one of very few).

But i agree this far that we should have at least 1/2 of the tournament seats through qualifiers.
So we have the fan-favorits and local heros on invite-spots and enough room to qualifiy for the talented rest....

Your first paragraph implies, that Taeja/Jaedong/Polt and Life only be able to be invited and could´nt beat Solar, Hack and Hurricane in those qualifiers or would´nt attend, which seems to be wrong IMHO. Before he was established, Life got into TSL4, MLG Fall Championship, as well as Iron Squid 1&2 due online qualifiers. I think, that he would be perfectly able and willing to play them again, if everyone else does as well. Just by playing qualifiers, popular players will not attend to a less extend, they will just have to earn it. And IMHO, that is a better thing, than inviting them purely because of popularity and taking away spots from more deserving players.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33465 Posts
December 24 2013 00:18 GMT
#55
Elfi !!!

the only one who can beat taeja
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Dewis
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Finland344 Posts
December 24 2013 02:20 GMT
#56
First invites:

[image loading] Liquid.TaeJa
[image loading] Liquid.Ret
[image loading] Liquid.Snute
[image loading] mouz.VortiX
[image loading] Empire.Happy
[image loading]
Ence.elfi
[image loading] Axiom.Alicia
[image loading] AZUBU.Patience

Source: http://asusrogtournament.com/
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
December 24 2013 02:26 GMT
#57
In terms of results ret is below everyone else. Serral>ret lately just in results. That being said ret has insane mechanics, nvr know when his gonna figure out zvp :D
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
December 24 2013 04:41 GMT
#58
Wooo Alicia!
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
Rail_sc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Russian Federation205 Posts
December 24 2013 08:13 GMT
#59
Oh i would play in here
https://twitter.com/verdi_wc3
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
December 24 2013 08:17 GMT
#60
emfi is going to beat TaeJa so hard again.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
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