Thank you! Didn't occure to me to check it myself, too lazy

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McRatyn
Poland901 Posts
On December 22 2013 07:54 Aeromi wrote: Show nested quote + On December 22 2013 07:34 McRatyn wrote: The 4000 is somehow split, like prize pool, or is it winner takes all? It's split. ![]() Thank you! Didn't occure to me to check it myself, too lazy ![]() | ||
danteafk
307 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
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Aridhol
Germany59 Posts
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
The last ROG had a totally different production crew / organization involved - Helsinki has already hosted this event four times and Finnish internet is top tier. Overlapping with Sao Paulo shouldn't be too big a deal because of time zone differences :D | ||
DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
I'm not sure if inviting based off of last years WCS points is better or worse, but at least it's fair. This way, ASUS ROG can decide to invite any player they like. It's especially bad since they are sponsoring a player who plays in the WCS (Desrow). I'm very much fine with having invites to tournaments, but then they shouldn't give WCS points imo. edit: To ASUS ROG: How do you decide the invites? Do you have any rules for it? I sound really bitter, but other than WCS part I really love these tournaments and it will be a blast as always! | ||
ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
I wish they'd have more qualifying spots open, but really looking forward to this years format and seeing how it all plays out. | ||
Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 23 2013 03:28 DJHelium wrote: I really dislike how tournaments that give WCS points can have 75% invites. It gives such an advantage to already popular players. I'm not sure if inviting based off of last years WCS points is better or worse, but at least it's fair. This way, ASUS ROG can decide to invite any player they like. It's especially bad since they are sponsoring a player who plays in the WCS (Desrow). I'm very much fine with having invites to tournaments, but then they shouldn't give WCS points imo. edit: To ASUS ROG: How do you decide the invites? Do you have any rules for it? I sound really bitter, but other than WCS part I really love these tournaments and it will be a blast as always! At least the WCS points are only for top 16+, so they can´t invite anyone into points directly and since they will invite some people, who would probably qualify anyway, I think there will not be to much of a problem, although I agree with your general point. | ||
DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On December 23 2013 18:59 Xoronius wrote: Show nested quote + On December 23 2013 03:28 DJHelium wrote: I really dislike how tournaments that give WCS points can have 75% invites. It gives such an advantage to already popular players. I'm not sure if inviting based off of last years WCS points is better or worse, but at least it's fair. This way, ASUS ROG can decide to invite any player they like. It's especially bad since they are sponsoring a player who plays in the WCS (Desrow). I'm very much fine with having invites to tournaments, but then they shouldn't give WCS points imo. edit: To ASUS ROG: How do you decide the invites? Do you have any rules for it? I sound really bitter, but other than WCS part I really love these tournaments and it will be a blast as always! At least the WCS points are only for top 16+, so they can´t invite anyone into points directly and since they will invite some people, who would probably qualify anyway, I think there will not be to much of a problem, although I agree with your general point. I think the bigger deal is something like what happened with IEM and Revival last year. Tournament invites can make or break players chance of getting to Blizzcon. | ||
Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 23 2013 21:22 DJHelium wrote: Show nested quote + On December 23 2013 18:59 Xoronius wrote: On December 23 2013 03:28 DJHelium wrote: I really dislike how tournaments that give WCS points can have 75% invites. It gives such an advantage to already popular players. I'm not sure if inviting based off of last years WCS points is better or worse, but at least it's fair. This way, ASUS ROG can decide to invite any player they like. It's especially bad since they are sponsoring a player who plays in the WCS (Desrow). I'm very much fine with having invites to tournaments, but then they shouldn't give WCS points imo. edit: To ASUS ROG: How do you decide the invites? Do you have any rules for it? I sound really bitter, but other than WCS part I really love these tournaments and it will be a blast as always! At least the WCS points are only for top 16+, so they can´t invite anyone into points directly and since they will invite some people, who would probably qualify anyway, I think there will not be to much of a problem, although I agree with your general point. I think the bigger deal is something like what happened with IEM and Revival last year. Tournament invites can make or break players chance of getting to Blizzcon. I think the the whole Revival-thing last year got more attention, than it sould have gotten. The seeds were supposed to be given out by WCS points, so Revival would have gotten one of the original seeds, if IEM would´nt have given a welfare seed to Flash, who had about 1000 points less than revival. So Revivals seed should have been there originally, according to the rules, with Flash having to play the open bracket and Nerchio getting ForGG´s forfeit seed. | ||
Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On December 22 2013 16:20 BronzeKnee wrote: Show nested quote + On December 22 2013 14:00 Bagration wrote: On December 22 2013 09:14 Darkdwarf wrote: Invites are killing esports. (no, but seriously, they suck) See, now that's the thing. When you have too many invites, it's hard for up and coming players to have an opportunity to come unless the tournament strategically invites them. However, that's not always in the best interest of the tournaments, who want the fan favorites that will bring in viewership. They are interested in hyping up and maximizing interest in their own weekend tournament, which could be done by inviting fan favorites. And viewers are fickle. We say now that invites suck and that we should have more open qualifiers, but when Koreans that we don't know very well make it through, we complain that there's no one interesting and we lose interest. Imagine a tournament without any EG, Liquid, Mouz, Axiom-Acer, etc. No Hyun, no Polt, no Life, no DRG. Let's not kid ourselves, most people would not be happy. We don't even know what we want I think we know what we want. We just don't agree. I'd rather have no invites, everyone earns a spot. But I want the qualifiers casted too, because upsets are exciting. You prefer watching Solar, Hurricane, Hack over Taeja, Jaedong, Polt, Life?? Really?? Maybe, but you might be the only one (or one of very few). But i agree this far that we should have at least 1/2 of the tournament seats through qualifiers. So we have the fan-favorits and local heros on invite-spots and enough room to qualifiy for the talented rest.... | ||
Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 23 2013 23:19 Bjarne wrote: Show nested quote + On December 22 2013 16:20 BronzeKnee wrote: On December 22 2013 14:00 Bagration wrote: On December 22 2013 09:14 Darkdwarf wrote: Invites are killing esports. (no, but seriously, they suck) See, now that's the thing. When you have too many invites, it's hard for up and coming players to have an opportunity to come unless the tournament strategically invites them. However, that's not always in the best interest of the tournaments, who want the fan favorites that will bring in viewership. They are interested in hyping up and maximizing interest in their own weekend tournament, which could be done by inviting fan favorites. And viewers are fickle. We say now that invites suck and that we should have more open qualifiers, but when Koreans that we don't know very well make it through, we complain that there's no one interesting and we lose interest. Imagine a tournament without any EG, Liquid, Mouz, Axiom-Acer, etc. No Hyun, no Polt, no Life, no DRG. Let's not kid ourselves, most people would not be happy. We don't even know what we want I think we know what we want. We just don't agree. I'd rather have no invites, everyone earns a spot. But I want the qualifiers casted too, because upsets are exciting. You prefer watching Solar, Hurricane, Hack over Taeja, Jaedong, Polt, Life?? Really?? Maybe, but you might be the only one (or one of very few). But i agree this far that we should have at least 1/2 of the tournament seats through qualifiers. So we have the fan-favorits and local heros on invite-spots and enough room to qualifiy for the talented rest.... Your first paragraph implies, that Taeja/Jaedong/Polt and Life only be able to be invited and could´nt beat Solar, Hack and Hurricane in those qualifiers or would´nt attend, which seems to be wrong IMHO. Before he was established, Life got into TSL4, MLG Fall Championship, as well as Iron Squid 1&2 due online qualifiers. I think, that he would be perfectly able and willing to play them again, if everyone else does as well. Just by playing qualifiers, popular players will not attend to a less extend, they will just have to earn it. And IMHO, that is a better thing, than inviting them purely because of popularity and taking away spots from more deserving players. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33097 Posts
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