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On November 23 2013 21:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 21:12 Rescawen wrote:
nestea is god of zerg, elfi is god of protoss and flash is god of terran, but innovation is just a perfect human <3 Where did the justification for the elfi hype come from? I missed the reference.
Back in 2011 elfi had a miraculos PvP winrate and defeated players like MC and HuK (who was still Code-S at that time) with build and from position, that should never have worked (a recent example would be the probe-pull, when he was 20 supply down, that he used to defeat Stardust) , thus becoming the god of PvP in many minds. Recently a few of those happenings happened in other MU´s, too (for example Taeja manner-Muling him 3 times in the same game and ggoing on to lose both the game and the series) and Waxangel did his fair share in building the church of elfi.
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On November 23 2013 21:20 VKCA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 21:17 Undead1993 wrote:On November 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On November 23 2013 21:14 Undead1993 wrote:
whine in a mirror matchup? livethreads such a entertainment source There is no "whine" in his post... ok, "i love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules" is no whine no? a very reasonable statement indeed lol I'm totally blance whining, I'm still upset about that tvz that was lost even though the zerg was ahead the entire game then endgame mules + moving base won him the game (although hilariously, I can't remember either of the players for the life of me
You mean Jjakji vs Symbol from HSC 8 3rd place match on Frost?
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This elfi talk is so funny xD
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On November 23 2013 21:17 VKCA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 21:12 sharkie wrote:On November 23 2013 21:11 VKCA wrote:On November 23 2013 21:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules What are you talking about? scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage Supernova also has mules and he was using them. So I still don't get your point. That game was not decided because of the mules. On November 23 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules What are you talking about? scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage That makes no sense because both have MULEs. no, you're not understanding what I'm saying In a pvp, when one of the protoss goes down 15-20 probes, he literally won't recover. if they have say 45 workers when this happens, one of the protoss is suddenly loosing 1/3-1/2 their income. In tvt, this is not the case, because mules provide such a gigantic mineral income, scv losses aren't the same kind of crippling that loosing drones or probes is. BOTH have mules, god damn it... Do you even read what you are saying lol. SuNo can call down mules too!!! The income difference stays the same! brother percentages the income difference between 2 toss or 2 zerg with one of them being down in some number of workers is a big percentage difference. In tvt, that percentage difference is lower, because both income numbers are higher, because of mules
Both Protoss & Zerg make workers faster though, so by the time Terran has 30 SCV's Z/P could easily have 40-45, so losing 10 workers has about the same effect on all. Zerg especially, who can instantly recreate any lost drones with enough larva and not having to deal with an incoming threat. This comparison only works with equal amounts of probes/drones vs. SCV's, ignoring that it takes longer to make that many SCV's.
But really, let's just enjoy this final game for what it is and pray for no 11/11!
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Mby last time we will see Whirlwind. (in GSL)
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On November 23 2013 21:21 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 21:20 VKCA wrote:On November 23 2013 21:17 Undead1993 wrote:On November 23 2013 21:15 TheDwf wrote:On November 23 2013 21:14 Undead1993 wrote:
whine in a mirror matchup? livethreads such a entertainment source There is no "whine" in his post... ok, "i love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules" is no whine no? a very reasonable statement indeed lol I'm totally blance whining, I'm still upset about that tvz that was lost even though the zerg was ahead the entire game then endgame mules + moving base won the terran the game (although hilariously, I can't remember either of the players for the life of me) Drg and innovation?
Jjakji vs. some zerg?
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On November 23 2013 21:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 21:12 Rescawen wrote:
nestea is god of zerg, elfi is god of protoss and flash is god of terran, but innovation is just a perfect human <3 Where did the justification for the elfi hype come from? I missed the reference.
#elfiisgod
elfi was/in known for beating players that he should not win(like haters say) (for example he have positive winrecord agaisnt Taeja). Also he was the only foreign player that could win MC in his prime time. Known for extremely good PvP and winning agaisnt topkorean players.
elfi likes cats....everybody knows that.
Last two Dreamhack he got into ro8, in buckarest as the last foreign player.
He have weird accent you know? rrrrealy weird? :D
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On November 23 2013 21:22 Weavel wrote:
Mby last time we will see Whirlwind. (in GSL)
What ?
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Innovation CC first.
Should be obvious for SuperNova.
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Would have laughed so hard had SuperNova opened 11/11 middle.
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On November 23 2013 21:15 Scarecrow wrote:
He's just saying scv losses have less of an impact compared to probes/drones in mirrors because you lose a smaller % of your total income. You both still have mules but you're relatively better off than players in the other mirrors.
On November 23 2013 21:14 TheDwf wrote:
He says that losing SCVs makes you lose relatively less income, which is right, even if the player with more SCVs has of course more income as long as he has enough mineral patches at his disposal.
thank you both for not being massive idiots
enjoy the gold
or tl+ or whatever it's called
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Goooooo Inno! For AxA! For all robots! And for me!
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On November 23 2013 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 21:16 Goibon wrote:On November 23 2013 21:14 TheDwf wrote:On November 23 2013 21:12 sharkie wrote:On November 23 2013 21:11 VKCA wrote:On November 23 2013 21:07 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules What are you talking about? scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage Supernova also has mules and he was using them. So I still don't get your point. That game was not decided because of the mules. On November 23 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules What are you talking about? scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage That makes no sense because both have MULEs. no, you're not understanding what I'm saying In a pvp, when one of the protoss goes down 15-20 probes, he literally won't recover. if they have say 45 workers when this happens, one of the protoss is suddenly loosing 1/3-1/2 their income. In tvt, this is not the case, because mules provide such a gigantic mineral income, scv losses aren't the same kind of crippling that loosing drones or probes is. BOTH have mules, god damn it... Do you even read what you are saying lol. SuNo can call down mules too!!! The income difference stays the same! He says that losing SCVs makes you lose relatively less income, which is right, even if the player with more SCVs has of course more income as long as he has enough mineral patches at his disposal. oh good someone understands what he's saying, was getting worried there He started with I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules.. Saying that that game was decided because of the MULEs is just wrong.
yah i didn't realise it was the same guy who made the initial (strange) post lol
usually what happens is one guy posts something stupid, then someone calls them on it, then another guy takes the whine out of context and we go on a weird tangent which is correct on its own merits but unrelated to the initial whine. i got lost in quote train
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On November 23 2013 21:22 Weavel wrote:
Mby last time we will see Whirlwind. (in GSL)
Hotsix cup! (if that counts as gsl)
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On November 23 2013 21:21 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 21:20 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
kk Whirlwind another nice stage for epic final game. ryung vs flash oh mah gawd
The VOD for that game is free for everyone now. :D
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Innovation scouted first, gg
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