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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18570 Posts
November 23 2013 12:12 GMT
#681
On November 23 2013 21:11 VKCA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:07 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


Supernova also has mules and he was using them. So I still don't get your point.
That game was not decided because of the mules.



Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


That makes no sense because both have MULEs.


no, you're not understanding what I'm saying

In a pvp, when one of the protoss goes down 15-20 probes, he literally won't recover. if they have say 45 workers when this happens, one of the protoss is suddenly loosing 1/3-1/2 their income. In tvt, this is not the case, because mules provide such a gigantic mineral income, scv losses aren't the same kind of crippling that loosing drones or probes is.


BOTH have mules, god damn it...

Do you even read what you are saying lol. SuNo can call down mules too!!! The income difference stays the same!
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
November 23 2013 12:12 GMT
#682
nestea is god of zerg, elfi is god of protoss and flash is god of terran, but innovation is just a perfect human <3
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 23 2013 12:13 GMT
#683
This thread deserves about 500 pages more hype.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 12:14:50
November 23 2013 12:13 GMT
#684
god damn it, I knew it D:

it's like sc2 blue balls.

Changed team flair for the first time since they allowed them for sc2 teams. Lot of built up passion in the bottom right of my post >_>
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
November 23 2013 12:13 GMT
#685
On November 23 2013 21:11 VKCA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:07 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


Supernova also has mules and he was using them. So I still don't get your point.
That game was not decided because of the mules.



Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


That makes no sense because both have MULEs.


no, you're not understanding what I'm saying

In a pvp, when one of the protoss goes down 15-20 probes, he literally won't recover. if they have say 45 workers when this happens, one of the protoss is suddenly loosing 1/3-1/2 their income. In tvt, this is not the case, because mules provide such a gigantic mineral income, scv losses aren't the same kind of crippling that loosing drones or probes is.


Each mule is between 270 and 300 minerals per 90 seconds so an extra 200 per min more or less. That roughly equates to a MULE harvesting as much as 5 SCVs. Yeah maybe its not as bad in TvT to love harvesters, but losing 19 SCVs on 2 bases is still devastating.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45235 Posts
November 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#686
On November 23 2013 21:12 Rescawen wrote:
nestea is god of zerg, elfi is god of protoss and flash is god of terran, but innovation is just a perfect human <3


Where did the justification for the elfi hype come from? I missed the reference.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
November 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#687
On November 23 2013 21:09 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:05 RaFox17 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 NarutO wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:02 RaFox17 wrote:
Planets truly aligned for Innovation. Damn if Supernova had just not moved out he would have won almost surely.


If INnoVation had a wall, blueflame does nothing. See where this is going?

Yep and if he had this and that. I was rooting for Innovation but Supernova had the better game plan in that match and could have defended Innovations aggression. Disagree?


Yes I disagree. The moveout of him was stupid. He had a strategy that relied on INnoVation not having a wall, it worked out and put him into an advantage. If he fails to put that advantage into a victory which he should have done by simply sieging up the big ramp preventing the move-around or move-up, he would have easily won.

:X So in the end - he made a big mistake that did result in him losing not just his advantage but the game, did he have the better game considering this? I would say he did not :/

Hi did big mistake yes. With the game plan i meant early game. (my mistake not to state it more clearly)
Supernova´s strategy relied on Innovation not having a wall but i still think that it was a really good strategy. Every strategy has some counter so you could always say that if he had done this it would not have worked. Personally i´m fearing that Super will take this ace-match as i consider him to be better tvt player than Inno
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
November 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#688
On November 23 2013 21:11 VKCA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:07 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


Supernova also has mules and he was using them. So I still don't get your point.
That game was not decided because of the mules.



Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


That makes no sense because both have MULEs.


no, you're not understanding what I'm saying

In a pvp, when one of the protoss goes down 15-20 probes, he literally won't recover. if they have say 45 workers when this happens, one of the protoss is suddenly loosing 1/3-1/2 their income. In tvt, this is not the case, because mules provide such a gigantic mineral income, scv losses aren't the same kind of crippling that loosing drones or probes is.

whine in a mirror matchup? livethreads such a entertainment source
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#689
It's so fucking awesome to see the old slayers playing in finals again btw holy shit <3
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
November 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#690
I am hoping for a long mech vs mech TvT that transitions into sky terran for a final match.
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
November 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#691
Supernova pls win
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#692
On November 23 2013 21:12 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:11 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:07 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


Supernova also has mules and he was using them. So I still don't get your point.
That game was not decided because of the mules.



On November 23 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


That makes no sense because both have MULEs.


no, you're not understanding what I'm saying

In a pvp, when one of the protoss goes down 15-20 probes, he literally won't recover. if they have say 45 workers when this happens, one of the protoss is suddenly loosing 1/3-1/2 their income. In tvt, this is not the case, because mules provide such a gigantic mineral income, scv losses aren't the same kind of crippling that loosing drones or probes is.


BOTH have mules, god damn it...

Do you even read what you are saying lol. SuNo can call down mules too!!! The income difference stays the same!

He says that losing SCVs makes you lose relatively less income, which is right, even if the player with more SCVs has of course more income as long as he has enough mineral patches at his disposal.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#693
On November 23 2013 21:13 bo1b wrote:
This thread deserves about 500 pages more hype.


Everyone is asleep preparing for the biggest tournament of the year. Red bull!
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
November 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#694
"Innovation has been focussing on nothing but TvT, training against all our Terrans plus our practice partners in other teams. This is tense"

Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 23 2013 12:15 GMT
#695
[image loading]

For all you guys wondering where this poll is from. It's from DH Bucharest
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[image loading]


and this^
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 23 2013 12:15 GMT
#696
On November 23 2013 21:14 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:13 bo1b wrote:
This thread deserves about 500 pages more hype.


Everyone is asleep preparing for the biggest tournament of the year. Red bull!

I have negative levels of passion for that lol
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
November 23 2013 12:15 GMT
#697
On November 23 2013 21:12 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:11 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:07 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


Supernova also has mules and he was using them. So I still don't get your point.
That game was not decided because of the mules.



On November 23 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


That makes no sense because both have MULEs.


no, you're not understanding what I'm saying

In a pvp, when one of the protoss goes down 15-20 probes, he literally won't recover. if they have say 45 workers when this happens, one of the protoss is suddenly loosing 1/3-1/2 their income. In tvt, this is not the case, because mules provide such a gigantic mineral income, scv losses aren't the same kind of crippling that loosing drones or probes is.


BOTH have mules, god damn it...

Do you even read what you are saying lol. SuNo can call down mules too!!! The income difference stays the same!

He's just saying scv losses have less of an impact compared to probes/drones in mirrors because you lose a smaller % of your total income. You both still have mules but you're relatively better off than players in the other mirrors.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 23 2013 12:15 GMT
#698
On November 23 2013 21:14 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:11 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:07 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


Supernova also has mules and he was using them. So I still don't get your point.
That game was not decided because of the mules.



On November 23 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:05 VKCA wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:03 Qwerty85 wrote:
On November 23 2013 21:01 VKCA wrote:
I really, really fucking love it when terrans loose tvts because the enemy has mules


What are you talking about?

scvs give shit all income, basically all the money you're getting is from mules. So when one person stops scv production and allins, they basically have the same income as their opponent during the whole allin, despite a massive scv disadvantage


That makes no sense because both have MULEs.


no, you're not understanding what I'm saying

In a pvp, when one of the protoss goes down 15-20 probes, he literally won't recover. if they have say 45 workers when this happens, one of the protoss is suddenly loosing 1/3-1/2 their income. In tvt, this is not the case, because mules provide such a gigantic mineral income, scv losses aren't the same kind of crippling that loosing drones or probes is.

whine in a mirror matchup? livethreads such a entertainment source

There is no "whine" in his post...
Ljas
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland725 Posts
November 23 2013 12:15 GMT
#699
On November 23 2013 21:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 21:12 Rescawen wrote:
nestea is god of zerg, elfi is god of protoss and flash is god of terran, but innovation is just a perfect human <3


Where did the justification for the elfi hype come from? I missed the reference.

Elfi hype never needs justification.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
November 23 2013 12:16 GMT
#700
On November 23 2013 21:14 Qwerty85 wrote:
I am hoping for a long mech vs mech TvT that transitions into sky terran for a final match.


Hold your horses, there may yet be hope.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
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