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Canada16217 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/shiroiusagi/wcs/wcs_eu_lr.jpg) Monday, Oct 07 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_3_Europe/Challenger TL Preview:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r9ZH0.png) Casters: ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/7/7f/Twitch_ico.png) WCS Europe2
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6wl40.png)  Happy vs Shuttle
Starting map:  LiveZerg vs  HasuObs
Starting map: Bel'Shir Vestige
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png) + Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] ++ Show Spoiler [Overall Results] +
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l5YZ8.png) + Show Spoiler +
Happy vs Shuttle Game 1
Happy vs Shuttle Game 2
Happy vs Shuttle Game 3
LiveZerg vs HasuObs Game 1
LiveZerg vs HasuObs Game 2
LiveZerg vs HasuObs Game 3
Winners' Match Game 1
Winners' Match Game 2
Winners' Match Game 3
Losers' Match Game 1
Losers' Match Game 2
Losers' Match Game 3
Final Match Game 1
Final Match Game 2
Final Match Game 3
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3wcCS.png) + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Happy vs Shuttle] ++ Show Spoiler [LiveZerg vs HasuObs] +Poll: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 1?★★★ - Good game (2) 50% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 50% ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 1? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 2?★★★ - Good game (1) 50% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 50% ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 2 total votes Your vote: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 2? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 3?★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1) 33% ★★★ - Good game (1) 33% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 33% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 3? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners match game 1?★★★★ - Highly recommended game (6) 35% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3) 18% ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (3) 18% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (3) 18% ★★★ - Good game (2) 12% 17 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 1? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't
Poll: Recommend Winners match game 2?★★★ - Good game (4) 80% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1) 20% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (0) 0% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 2? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't
Poll: Recommend Winners match game 3?★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (18) 78% ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (3) 13% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 4% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1) 4% ★★★ - Good game (0) 0% 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 3? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't
Poll: Recommend Final match game 1?★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (3) 100% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★ - Good game (0) 0% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final match game 1? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't
Poll: Recommend Final match game 2?★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (2) 67% ★★★ - Good game (1) 33% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final match game 2? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't
Poll: Recommend Final match game 3?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 33% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1) 33% ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (1) 33% ★★★ - Good game (0) 0% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final match game 3? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't
*Shuttle retired before the matches therefore forfeiting his games in today's group.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Poll: Who will advance?HasuObs (4) 44% Happy (3) 33% Shuttle (1) 11% LiveZerg (1) 11% 9 total votes Your vote: Who will advance? (Vote): Happy
(Vote): Shuttle
(Vote): LiveZerg
(Vote): HasuObs
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
No thread? I cannot finish this because it's already past midnight here. Please someone volunteer so that I can have the thread passed on to you. Thank you.
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Austria24417 Posts
Quickly people, post! Or lichter will abandon this ship
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
This doesn't look promising tbh
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Canada16217 Posts
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Sorry lichter I can't do it, I'm going out in an hour :s
I don't know why they couldn't release the groups last week...
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 08 2013 01:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:
i can do it
I love you
On October 08 2013 01:13 Denar wrote:
Sorry lichter I can't do it, I'm going out in an hour :s
I don't know why they couldn't release the groups last week...
They released it literally 3 hours ago. =/
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On October 08 2013 01:13 lichter wrote:I love you Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:13 Denar wrote:
Sorry lichter I can't do it, I'm going out in an hour :s
I don't know why they couldn't release the groups last week... They released it literally 3 hours ago. =/
Thx for the LR-Thread, both of you 
It is so sad, that they treat the Challengerleague, the way they do :/ I hope they improve that in S4... But lets see what happens there exactly 
Anyway... I hope Happy wins this today and Hasu to go second
edit: Shuttle forfeits cuz he is retiring from progaming :O
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I hope the players were aware of who they were going to play in the group stages before us lol ...
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Well, shit. Live retirement.
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So the next match is happy vs shuttle but shuttle has just retired from sc2 so happy will advance
I don't know why but that made me laugh.
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United States97276 Posts
Maybe WCS is even unmotivated about Challenger league since it doesnt really mean anything this season.
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That's a classy way to retire.
Hopefully more terrans won't follow.
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On October 08 2013 01:20 Shellshock wrote:
Maybe WCS is even unmotivated about Challenger league since it doesnt really mean anything this season.
They still have to do a decent work. :/
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Europe holds ... 
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 08 2013 01:20 Shellshock wrote:
Maybe WCS is even unmotivated about Challenger league since it doesnt really mean anything this season.
Not to mention it's now 30 minutes late
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it was the same last season. really something they should improve on, it's simply rude towards the players this way.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 08 2013 01:26 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
it was the same last season. really something they should improve on, it's simply rude towards the players this way.
Do they announce the groups at the same time, even to the players?
It's ridiculous, the players will have no time to prepare depending on their group.
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Jeez! What is up with WCS and running their below Ro16 stuff poorly? I tuned in 33 minutes ago, have yet to see a single game
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On October 08 2013 01:33 Tritone wrote:Jeez! What is up with WCS and running their below Ro16 stuff poorly? I tuned in 33 minutes ago, have yet to see a single game
I would like to phrase it differently, but they do not give a single f about Challenger in EU and AM both as it looks like.
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To be fair, if the first BYE was announced not so long ago they might not have been able to reschedule the second bo3. So we'll have to wait the hour out, or whenever they told the second set of players to show up.
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Russian Federation251 Posts
It's been said in stream chat that Shuttle sudden retirement (or forfeit) is the reason of the delay.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
That was a long delay >.>
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On October 08 2013 01:36 Angeloidus wrote:
It's been said in stream chat that Shuttle sudden retirement (or forfeit) is the reason of the delay.
The retirement is sad of course and you can expect a delay when this news is first figured out during a live broadcast, but you cant shake the feeling that both WCS EU and AM do not treat Challenger League in the way it deserves to.
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On October 08 2013 01:53 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:36 Angeloidus wrote:
It's been said in stream chat that Shuttle sudden retirement (or forfeit) is the reason of the delay. The retirement is sad of course and you can expect a delay when this news is first figured out during a live broadcast, but you cant shake the feeling that both WCS EU and AM do not treat Challenger League in the way it deserves to. Hey, at least they broadcast the entire thing.
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On October 08 2013 01:54 Nine Gates wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:53 NovaMB wrote:On October 08 2013 01:36 Angeloidus wrote:
It's been said in stream chat that Shuttle sudden retirement (or forfeit) is the reason of the delay. The retirement is sad of course and you can expect a delay when this news is first figured out during a live broadcast, but you cant shake the feeling that both WCS EU and AM do not treat Challenger League in the way it deserves to. Hey, at least they broadcast the entire thing.
contrary to korea *cough*
But agree with the sentiment -
I am a fan of how well Gamesocial handles it on the boradcast side.
I surely am not a fan of the tight ass schedule
and expect all organizers to do better in 2014.
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Kwanghee Woo @SaintSnorlax 4m
haven't been following #WCS challenger, have the casters been selling this as having Premier seeds on the line? or deliberately ambiguous?
Nathan Fabrikant @ROOTnathanias 3m
@SaintSnorlax I can't confirm or deny that we're not supposed to say anything incorrect yet can't say what should be said either way
I'm getting a headache from all this stuff. I hope Blizzard shares their plans soon enough
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 1?★★★ - Good game (2) 50% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 50% ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 1? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
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United States97276 Posts
Woo! Hasuobs gonna win this group!
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Poll: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 2?★★★ - Good game (1) 50% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 50% ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 2 total votes Your vote: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 2? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 3?★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1) 33% ★★★ - Good game (1) 33% ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 33% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend LiveZerg vs HasuObs game 3? (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
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I think HasuObs had a clear lead but didn't the game end with something like 161 to 165 supply? It was worth pushing with 10 BL's and a few ultras I think
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Yeah was a bit strange but i think LZ saw himself too behind after loosing that hatch and getting attacked from all angles.
I think he doesnt care too much about this BO3 because he will recive a BYE in the loosers match and the next Bo3 is important for advancing
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I think Hasu's gonna be comfortable on Whirlwind. 
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Huh? Where did Zoia go? :O
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Mistake to go for late game vs Hasu imo.
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On October 08 2013 01:35 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:33 Tritone wrote:Jeez! What is up with WCS and running their below Ro16 stuff poorly? I tuned in 33 minutes ago, have yet to see a single game I would like to phrase it differently, but they do not give a single f about Challenger in EU and AM both as it looks like.
It seems like Challenger league is on the way out, even Korea doesn't stream all the matches. Which I'm not really opposed to. This frees up the schedule a lot for other tournament/leagues to broadcast. And if they replace it Challenger with a series of qualifiers where players get points for high finishes that would be an even better way to reward the consistently performing players.
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i love hasu but he plays bad ... sry why not 2 cnons 2 ht 1 zealots in bottom left place of main ? i rly dont get it why not not build the standard defense
also 1-2 ht on 3rd vs drop
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25min no engagement, zzzzz
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On October 08 2013 03:00 SkullZ9 wrote:
25min no engagement, zzzzz
these hasu games
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Hasu vs Happy...guys, hope you all got some time tonight^^
i'll always remember their game in Season 1 Premier on Daybreak. Such a classic.
but gogo Hasu!
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well NOW it gets crazy epic haha ^^ but hasu makes still alot mistakes ^^
sure hes good but i expecft him to be better because i want him WIN some tournament soon
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I'd be so mad if I were Happy. Feels like he's playing so hard while Hasu's merrily doing his thing.
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Watching hasuobs play remind me of 2011 foreigner games.
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sad that hasu doesnt build the ultimate composition with the tempests
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Don't know if Hasu will lose in the super late-game.
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This commentary is really play-by-play, not a lot of analysis
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woah happy's micro is ridiculous
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Russian Federation823 Posts
I really don't like this caster. Talks way too much and states the obvious only.
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Hasu's totally gonna win this lol.
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Happy has a bunch of low HP vikings and not enough CCs for scan spam.
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HAPPY, no these ghosts omg happy noooooooooooooooo
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nice hasu 1 more
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Omg this game and this caster
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Holy shit that game was crazy O.O
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France7248 Posts
finally, what a crappy game
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Lol at this 20 ghosts left in the base doing nothing ^^
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend Winners match game 1?★★★★ - Highly recommended game (6) 35% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3) 18% ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (3) 18% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (3) 18% ★★★ - Good game (2) 12% 17 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 1? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
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Oh man. Happy totally forgot about those ghosts.
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well, that's one game where select all army could have actually been great.
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Lol Happy forgot about a whole army of ghosts in the bottom left. That lost him the game.
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was that not a stalemate?
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Welcome to HasuObs. I hope he meets Goody tomorrow in EPS.
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Those ghosts at the natural are really ghosts to Happy. 14 ghosts!
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Seriously. 50 minutes. 1 engagement. And there were what, 5 stalkers with that army for most of the game?
My gf and I were watching and we were both like WHAT IS GOING ON
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On October 08 2013 03:19 PesteNoire wrote:
was that not a stalemate?
Hasu still had probes and money for a nexus.
Unbeliavable boring game. I really dislike both player's playstyle from a spectator perspective. Congrats to Hasu though.
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Really intelligent play by HasuObs!! Happy's harassment was nice, but in the end he lost more than he gained.. : (
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On October 08 2013 03:20 RESOqub wrote:
Seriously. 50 minutes. 1 engagement. And there were what, 5 stalkers with that army for most of the game?
My gf and I were watching and we were both like WHAT IS GOING ON
This is Hasuobs playing...
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On October 08 2013 03:20 Nauseam wrote:Hasu still had probes and money for a nexus. Unbeliavable boring game. I really dislike both player's playstyle from a spectator perspective. Congrats to Hasu though.
how is happy's playstyle boring? lol
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Hasuobs the definition of turtle-deathball toss. Happy had good timings to kill him though, he might have overdone the drop/nuke harass.
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend Winners match game 2?★★★ - Good game (4) 80% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1) 20% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (0) 0% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 2? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't
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happy is like screw this after the last game
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Is there a blacklist for lagging people? I swear it's always almost the same people...
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i feel like happy always misses his timings when it gets into later stages, he is just waiting too long right now
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Regular protoss players dump their late-game minerals into zealots.
Hasu dumps them into photon cannons.
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god just build some starports and repair your vikings such a big bank come on t.t
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come on hasu, full zealot warp in in happy's main!
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Hasu could have run into Happys production so often now and simply recall, before happy would have even been anywhere.
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Well , Hasu does his best to bring this day back onto schedule
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On October 08 2013 04:09 FeyFey wrote:
Hasu could have run into Happys production so often now and simply recall, before happy would have even been anywhere.
Happy's army is always positioned really well, so something like that could very well lead to his defeat.
But why doesn't hasu try to smuggle some warp prisms into the main? :o
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Looks like Happy got this, he just traded so efficiently
I just wish I could see him repair his vikings =/
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Mules long-distance mining.
Maybe we can get some to hold the watchtower?
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Pathetic game from Hasuobs...so many mistakes and now he's doing the same thing over and over while he starves. Would love to see the units lost for this game as well, he gave away so many zealots/dts/hts.
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On October 08 2013 04:10 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:09 FeyFey wrote:
Hasu could have run into Happys production so often now and simply recall, before happy would have even been anywhere. Happy's army is always positioned really well, so something like that could very well lead to his defeat. But why doesn't hasu try to smuggle some warp prisms into the main? :o
Really ? Happy is reacting to even a Pylon and moves almost the whole army there at the right base, leave a few Zealots at the Pylon one HT at the main and go just need to keep the MsC save, which is easy on this map. If Happy goes for a basetrade Recall, while Zealots kill around 3 or 4 waves of production meanwhile.
Just abuse the fact that Happy only tries to deny bases. I mean he is going to lose if he doesn't do something, so just risk the EMP on the MsC.
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hasu is losing this game without fighting
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WTF is this match? woah happy has this and happy doesn't do shit. not even maxing out with 5 k 4k
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Hasuobs needs to take an engagement
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On October 08 2013 04:17 Undead1993 wrote:
WTF is this match? woah happy has this and happy doesn't do shit. not even maxing out with 5 k 4k
he does not want to go into high upkeep.
Oh wait, wrong game.
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I hate watching these two guys play. When you play this passive, it is simply inferior gameplay.
When Happy and Hasuobs play in the future, admins should implement a 60 minute time limit :p
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On October 08 2013 04:17 Undead1993 wrote:
WTF is this match? woah happy has this and happy doesn't do shit. not even maxing out with 5 k 4k
He's doing exactly what he should be doing. The person that forces a fight in TvP is usually at the disadvantange because you're going to run head first into either storms or EMPs. Instead, he secured the economic lead and prevented Hasu from taking another base. Keep in mind even a couple of Templars that you didn't notice can turn the game in a TvP 200/200 fight. This is why it's very advantageous to wait till the opponent attacks.
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On October 08 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:
I hate watching these two guys play. When you play this passive, it is simply inferior gameplay.
When Happy and Hasuobs play in the future, admins should implement a 60 minute time limit :p
yeah, after the time runs out they HAVE to flip coins to avoid those stalemate games and end a series between them quicker.
I really wonder... how cool would it be to have a tab that shows how much damage the terran inflicted on himself while stimming?
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend Winners match game 3?★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (18) 78% ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (3) 13% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 4% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1) 4% ★★★ - Good game (0) 0% 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners match game 3? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't
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On October 08 2013 04:19 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:17 Undead1993 wrote:
WTF is this match? woah happy has this and happy doesn't do shit. not even maxing out with 5 k 4k He's doing exactly what he should be doing. The person that forces a fight in TvP is usually at the disadvantange because you're going to run head first into either storms or EMPs. Instead, he secured the economic lead and prevented Hasu from taking another base.
Happy is playing wrong. He should kill Hasuobs. But he has no kill instinct. Which is a gameplay flaw
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What a terrible game wow.
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That was the best ending. :D
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Damn it. What a tease. They don't even do a final engagement.
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On October 08 2013 04:17 Undead1993 wrote:
WTF is this match? woah happy has this and happy doesn't do shit. not even maxing out with 5 k 4k
Happy builds reactionary to what Hasu warps in right now and denies new bases and it works for him, so why change it. Its PvT lategame afterall.
Pretty bad decisions by Hasu Imo, but maybe I give Happy not enough credit.
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sad zealot
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That perfect ending to a horrible match.
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On October 08 2013 04:19 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:17 Undead1993 wrote:
WTF is this match? woah happy has this and happy doesn't do shit. not even maxing out with 5 k 4k He's doing exactly what he should be doing. The person that forces a fight in TvP is usually at the disadvantange because you're going to run head first into either storms or EMPs. Instead, he secured the economic lead and prevented Hasu from taking another base. Keep in mind even a couple of Templars that you didn't notice can turn the game in a TvP 200/200 fight. This is why it's very advantageous to wait till the opponent attacks.
yes, i know that but i feel like there was no way that toss could win there i mean at least trade drop and then remax do something good god.
btw what did hasu write in the end?
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hahahahaahaha that ending was absolutely terrible.
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God, that was so bad.
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On October 08 2013 04:21 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:19 Scila wrote:On October 08 2013 04:17 Undead1993 wrote:
WTF is this match? woah happy has this and happy doesn't do shit. not even maxing out with 5 k 4k He's doing exactly what he should be doing. The person that forces a fight in TvP is usually at the disadvantange because you're going to run head first into either storms or EMPs. Instead, he secured the economic lead and prevented Hasu from taking another base. Happy is playing wrong. He should kill Hasuobs. But he has no kill instinct. Which is a gameplay flaw
I assume you play Protoss. Late game TvP is very fragile for Terran, two well-placed Storms and feedbacks can literally end the game for you. By playing so defensively Happy is making sure he doesn't lose the game to spread-out Templars. If the Protoss attacks it's much easier to catch all his Templars in scans, allowing you to react to them before they storm/feedback.
But yes he could've have ended the game earlier, once he saw the probes distance mining and it was obvious Hasu had no minerals left.
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Thats just terrible. What are they (mostly Hasu) thinking? I mean, from minute 30 to 60 Hasus army was standing at his watchtower. How did he plan to win there? Whats the game plan? The idea, strategy, behind it?
Just move the fucking army to either or the two untaken bases, plant a Nexus and defend it. Jesus. Or try to at least, obviously Happy might attack it and he might lose anyway, but at least he does SOMETHING.
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I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ( Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock.
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On October 08 2013 04:23 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:21 Bagration wrote:On October 08 2013 04:19 Scila wrote:On October 08 2013 04:17 Undead1993 wrote:
WTF is this match? woah happy has this and happy doesn't do shit. not even maxing out with 5 k 4k He's doing exactly what he should be doing. The person that forces a fight in TvP is usually at the disadvantange because you're going to run head first into either storms or EMPs. Instead, he secured the economic lead and prevented Hasu from taking another base. Happy is playing wrong. He should kill Hasuobs. But he has no kill instinct. Which is a gameplay flaw I assume you play Protoss. Late game TvP is very very fragile for Terran, two well-placed Storms can literally end the game for you. By playing so defensively Happy is making sure he doesn't lose to the game to spread-out Templars. If the Protoss attacks it's much easier to catch all his Templars in scans, allowing you to react to them before they storm. But yes he could've have ended the game earlier, once he saw the probes distance mining and it was obvious Hasu had no minerals left.
I wouldn't count on Hasu attacking
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On October 08 2013 04:24 Aeromi wrote:
I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ' Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock.
That's odd.
I thought Blizzard was just planning to move more matches offline.
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On October 08 2013 04:24 Aeromi wrote:
I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ( Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock.
where did he post this? :o
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On October 08 2013 04:27 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:24 Aeromi wrote:
I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ( Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock. where did he post this? :o
He told us on MiileniumTv. ^^
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On October 08 2013 04:24 Aeromi wrote:
I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ( Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock.
region lock or not is not the main problem with the wcs system atm. would love to hear more details. but thanks for that. i will take what i get
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hasuobs has been looking terrible the whole series against Happy. Way worse control than usual, very wasteful. He is lucky if he makes it out of a group while being at this shape.
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On October 08 2013 04:26 Dwayn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:23 Scila wrote:On October 08 2013 04:21 Bagration wrote:On October 08 2013 04:19 Scila wrote:On October 08 2013 04:17 Undead1993 wrote:
WTF is this match? woah happy has this and happy doesn't do shit. not even maxing out with 5 k 4k He's doing exactly what he should be doing. The person that forces a fight in TvP is usually at the disadvantange because you're going to run head first into either storms or EMPs. Instead, he secured the economic lead and prevented Hasu from taking another base. Happy is playing wrong. He should kill Hasuobs. But he has no kill instinct. Which is a gameplay flaw I assume you play Protoss. Late game TvP is very very fragile for Terran, two well-placed Storms can literally end the game for you. By playing so defensively Happy is making sure he doesn't lose to the game to spread-out Templars. If the Protoss attacks it's much easier to catch all his Templars in scans, allowing you to react to them before they storm. But yes he could've have ended the game earlier, once he saw the probes distance mining and it was obvious Hasu had no minerals left. I wouldn't count on Hasu attacking
Not until 45 minutes in anyway.
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Poll: Recommend Final match game 1?★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (3) 100% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★ - Good game (0) 0% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final match game 1? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Now that's a kill instinct
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Wtf Hasu at half supply, getting ravaged...
"Hasuobs is still ahead"
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On October 08 2013 04:24 Aeromi wrote:
I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ( Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock.
So most of WCS AM is going to get kicked out? All the Koreans (and Snute) already in the other regions will be kicked out and forced to requalify?
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On October 08 2013 04:35 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:24 Aeromi wrote:
I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ( Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock. So most of WCS AM is going to get kicked out? All the Koreans (and Snute) already in the other regions will be kicked out and forced to requalify?
I have no idea, if you want to learn more click here but you need to know french : http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/tv/?chaine=millenium_tv
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Well Hasu, not exactly your best play today :/
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Poll: Recommend Final match game 2?★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (2) 67% ★★★ - Good game (1) 33% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final match game 2? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't
Poll: Recommend Final match game 3?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 33% ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1) 33% ★★ - Do not watch unless you got nothing better to do (1) 33% ★★★ - Good game (0) 0% ★ - Don't watch, seriously don't (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final match game 3? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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very deserved loss for hasuobs, this was the worst sc2 i have seen in a while
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Yeah that was not surprising at all after how hasu looked against Happy.
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despite being german I'm kind of glad Hasu is out. He must be one of the most boring players to watch ever
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Well this doesnt really matter anyway. I hope Hasu gets in 2014 no matter how the system turns out to be
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On October 08 2013 04:24 Aeromi wrote:
I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ( Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock.
How nice of Blizzard to give me more free time in 2014 as they remove the reason for me to watch WCS Europe, WCS America, Seasonal Finals for most part and Blizzcon for most part in 2014.
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Congrats to Happy & LiveZerg!
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Funny, I was the only one who had some confidence in LiveZerg going through.
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why do we even play the hasu vs lifezerg 1st matchup if it does not matter at all... QQ
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On October 08 2013 04:26 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:24 Aeromi wrote:
I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ' Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock. That's odd. I thought Blizzard was just planning to move more matches offline.
Why can't they do both ?
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On October 08 2013 04:51 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:26 pmp10 wrote:On October 08 2013 04:24 Aeromi wrote:
I know it's a little bit off topic but Llewellys ' Millenium manager ) just spoiled WCS 2014. He said that a we will have a region lock. That's odd. I thought Blizzard was just planning to move more matches offline. Why can't they do both ?
That would be actually a good region lock, because it will allow alien players to participate, if they are willing enough to stay in Europe and participate in the scene (ForGG and Stardust come to mind).
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On October 08 2013 04:51 sVnteen wrote:
why do we even play the hasu vs lifezerg 1st matchup if it does not matter at all... QQ
Because it does. The winner then has 2 chances to move on (winners match + final match). Loser just has one. Even without someone dropping out of the drop, it's not the first time the final match is a rematch from one of the first 2 matches.
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Aw man I can't believe Hasuobs lost
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
Hey, region lock inc? Cool, what they are going to do with only people worth of winning more than 5k in WCS EU also known as koreans?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I'd stop watching non Korean tournaments entirely if that happens
I'm still unsure whether I'd want to continuing making OPs for an un-meritocratic system. I threatened to quit entirely, but I dunno yet.
Also someone do today's group plz
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On October 08 2013 21:55 lichter wrote:
I'd stop watching non Korean tournaments entirely if that happens
I'm still unsure whether I'd want to continuing making OPs for an un-meritocratic system. I threatened to quit entirely, but I dunno yet.
Also someone do today's group plz
Yeah, GomTV may want to make Code B a legitimately broadcasted tournament, since it is way more skilled than foreigner tourneys :D
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On October 08 2013 21:55 lichter wrote:
I'd stop watching non Korean tournaments entirely if that happens
I'm still unsure whether I'd want to continuing making OPs for an un-meritocratic system. I threatened to quit entirely, but I dunno yet.
Also someone do today's group plz
You should do more ban bets. Then you'd have an excuse to quit
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On October 08 2013 22:10 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 21:55 lichter wrote:
I'd stop watching non Korean tournaments entirely if that happens
I'm still unsure whether I'd want to continuing making OPs for an un-meritocratic system. I threatened to quit entirely, but I dunno yet.
Also someone do today's group plz You should do more ban bets. Then you'd have an excuse to quit
Thank god i do not do ones, my post count growth rate would drop so hard T_T
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 08 2013 22:10 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 21:55 lichter wrote:
I'd stop watching non Korean tournaments entirely if that happens
I'm still unsure whether I'd want to continuing making OPs for an un-meritocratic system. I threatened to quit entirely, but I dunno yet.
Also someone do today's group plz You should do more ban bets. Then you'd have an excuse to quit
Yeah I should do an "if Mvp retires perm ban me" request
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On October 08 2013 23:20 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 22:10 Shellshock wrote:On October 08 2013 21:55 lichter wrote:
I'd stop watching non Korean tournaments entirely if that happens
I'm still unsure whether I'd want to continuing making OPs for an un-meritocratic system. I threatened to quit entirely, but I dunno yet.
Also someone do today's group plz You should do more ban bets. Then you'd have an excuse to quit Yeah I should do an "if Mvp retires perm ban me" request
So you want to be banned after Blizzcon?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
NovstOrm got wager banned so someone needs to step up for Group D tonight
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