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One thing to note is ForGG's current WCS ranking :
#16 (2450 points)
So right now he is the limit for Blizzcon entrance, but with 3 regions RO8+ and Season Finals after that, he won't make it if he doesn't get more points here
On September 26 2013 22:13 Denar wrote: One thing to note is ForGG's current WCS ranking :
#16 (2450 points)
So right now he is the limit for Blizzcon entrance, but with 3 regions RO8+ and Season Finals after that, he won't make it if he doesn't get more points here
He can always hope for inconsistency from guys below him ^_^ Also: Genius 4 0 Showtime 4 4 to advance
I'm thankful that I cannot watch ForGG tonight because after seeing Goswser and Babyknight losing yesterday, my heart cannot take another disappointment.
On September 26 2013 22:49 lichter wrote: I don't care who wins I just hope ESL upload the VODs ASAP so I don't have to fabricate my recap again x_x
I wonder if Twitch VODs give no revenue or so bad revenue that content producers use only Youtube now. Everybody starts doing that and it is pretty annoying sometimes.
On September 26 2013 22:13 Denar wrote: One thing to note is ForGG's current WCS ranking :
#16 (2450 points)
So right now he is the limit for Blizzcon entrance, but with 3 regions RO8+ and Season Finals after that, he won't make it if he doesn't get more points here
He can if he wins IEM NY. But that's not the easy way to go to BlizzCon, obviously.
Come on ForGG, you can't fail today. You just can't.
Going 1 rax into 3CC and neglecting upgrades obviously leaves ForGG with a huge army. Very risky build by ForGG though, would have one hell of a time holding off any colossus all in.
On September 27 2013 01:27 DJHelium wrote: Going 1 rax into 3CC and neglecting upgrades obviously leaves ForGG with a huge army. Very risky build by ForGG though, would have one hell of a time holding off any colossus all in.
I remember him doing it all the time, for some reason nobody collosi all-ins him :D
On September 27 2013 01:27 DJHelium wrote: Going 1 rax into 3CC and neglecting upgrades obviously leaves ForGG with a huge army. Very risky build by ForGG though, would have one hell of a time holding off any colossus all in.
Yes but does Showtime have the BALLS to colossus all in him?
On September 27 2013 01:27 DJHelium wrote: Going 1 rax into 3CC and neglecting upgrades obviously leaves ForGG with a huge army. Very risky build by ForGG though, would have one hell of a time holding off any colossus all in.
Yes but does Showtime have the BALLS to colossus all in him?
I remember seeing only 1 collosi all-in against ForGG ever: by Welmu and ForGG did held it (did not play that build though).
Weird ideas from ForGG, but Showtimes greed paid off! Hope ForGG doesn't check that replay though, because there was a timing when he couldve busted that wide open.
On September 27 2013 01:43 ssxsilver wrote: I feel like it's been forever since we've seen a TvP not decided by an scv pull. Great game so far.
How's this a great game? :p showtime was afk for 20min with incredibly poor macro, then he attacks and wins It's kinda the opposite of an scv pull but protoss doesn't need to bring probes
On September 27 2013 01:43 ssxsilver wrote: I feel like it's been forever since we've seen a TvP not decided by an scv pull. Great game so far.
How's this a great game? :p showtime was afk for 20min with incredibly poor macro, then he attacks and wins It's kinda the opposite of an scv pull but protoss doesn't need to bring probes
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
Storms kept him alive when he was rebuilding his collosi count and those archons tanked like mother fuckers in that last fight. A couple emps in that fight and it goes VERY differently...
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
lol. how did they not help? they stormed like 8 vikings twice during fights and the collossi stood there and killed everything else. templars were key here.
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
lol. how did they not help? they stormed like 8 vikings twice during fights and the collossi stood there and killed everything else. templars were key here.
he would do the same without storms, but with archons and stalkers. And i am not sure what would be faster.
On September 27 2013 01:43 ssxsilver wrote: I feel like it's been forever since we've seen a TvP not decided by an scv pull. Great game so far.
How's this a great game? :p showtime was afk for 20min with incredibly poor macro, then he attacks and wins It's kinda the opposite of an scv pull but protoss doesn't need to bring probes
What ? Showtime afk for 20min ?? He had huge trouble defending when ForGG pushed the 3rd base, it was really tensed then there were agression from Showtime.... Stop saying bullshit
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
On September 27 2013 01:43 ssxsilver wrote: I feel like it's been forever since we've seen a TvP not decided by an scv pull. Great game so far.
How's this a great game? :p showtime was afk for 20min with incredibly poor macro, then he attacks and wins It's kinda the opposite of an scv pull but protoss doesn't need to bring probes
What ? Showtime afk for 20min ?? He had huge trouble defending when ForGG pushed the 3rd base, it was really tensed then there were agression from Showtime.... Stop saying bullshit
It was tense, but in the end Showtime traded 3rd nexus, 1 collosi and some gateway trash for a large chunk of army.
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
Chargelots charge to hellbats, not the other way around.
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
lol. how did they not help? they stormed like 8 vikings twice during fights and the collossi stood there and killed everything else. templars were key here.
he would do the same without storms, but with archons and stalkers. And i am not sure what would be faster.
Because EMP's don't hurt pretty much negate archons either right?? With EMP it would have only been stalkers to fight the vikings meaning they would not die nearly as fast plus EMP wipes out shields for chargelots and owns archons...
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
lol. how did they not help? they stormed like 8 vikings twice during fights and the collossi stood there and killed everything else. templars were key here.
he would do the same without storms, but with archons and stalkers. And i am not sure what would be faster.
Because EMP's don't hurt pretty much negate archons either right?? With EMP it would have only been stalkers to fight the vikings meaning they would not die nearly as fast plus EMP wipes out shields for chargelots and owns archons...
I meant against forgg's style. Not general TvP style. And yes, with emp it would be *just* MMMVG against deathball.
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
Chargelots charge to hellbats, not the other way around.
What is your point with that statement? Doesn't change that they get blown up by the Toss army, while a ghost can emp from range.
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
Chargelots charge to hellbats, not the other way around.
What is your point with that statement? Doesn't change that they get blown up by the Toss army, while a ghost can emp from range.
My point is that knowing the hell that is TvP micro and positioning, 5 hellbats > 10 ghosts for ForGG there.
On September 27 2013 01:51 DarkLordOlli wrote: Well, what you want against a hellbat/marauder heavy army composition is archons. A few Ghosts mixed in would be super powerful with ForGG's army.
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
Chargelots charge to hellbats, not the other way around.
What is your point with that statement? Doesn't change that they get blown up by the Toss army, while a ghost can emp from range.
My point is that knowing the hell that is TvP micro and positioning, 5 hellbats > 10 ghosts for ForGG there.
5 Hellbats are not better than 10 ghosts in that situation... Consider Archons/Templar/and the Zealots. Ghosts give ForGG many more options to get an advantage in the fight rather than the Hellbats.
gg wp by ShowTime though, ForGG just has more experience than him and clearly knew how to react. But I think we will see more of ShowTime in the future!
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
Chargelots charge to hellbats, not the other way around.
What is your point with that statement? Doesn't change that they get blown up by the Toss army, while a ghost can emp from range.
My point is that knowing the hell that is TvP micro and positioning, 5 hellbats > 10 ghosts for ForGG there.
5 Hellbats are not better than 10 ghosts in that situation... Consider Archons/Templar/and the Zealots. Ghosts give ForGG many more options to get an advantage in the fight rather than the Hellbats.
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
Chargelots charge to hellbats, not the other way around.
What is your point with that statement? Doesn't change that they get blown up by the Toss army, while a ghost can emp from range.
My point is that knowing the hell that is TvP micro and positioning, 5 hellbats > 10 ghosts for ForGG there.
5 Hellbats are not better than 10 ghosts in that situation... Consider Archons/Templar/and the Zealots. Ghosts give ForGG many more options to get an advantage in the fight rather than the Hellbats.
On September 27 2013 01:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Great game by Showtime, ForGG beat himself though by not making Ghosts. Once again.
Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
Chargelots charge to hellbats, not the other way around.
What is your point with that statement? Doesn't change that they get blown up by the Toss army, while a ghost can emp from range.
My point is that knowing the hell that is TvP micro and positioning, 5 hellbats > 10 ghosts for ForGG there.
5 Hellbats are not better than 10 ghosts in that situation... Consider Archons/Templar/and the Zealots. Ghosts give ForGG many more options to get an advantage in the fight rather than the Hellbats.
Ghosts fry the chargelots :3?
Taking out chargelots shield helps immensely, mix that with being able to emp archons/templars and Ghost are 100X more effective then hellbats in that situation.
On September 27 2013 01:45 lolfail9001 wrote: [quote] Storms did not really help alot there though. And ghosts vs collosi... no, thanks.
EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
Chargelots charge to hellbats, not the other way around.
What is your point with that statement? Doesn't change that they get blown up by the Toss army, while a ghost can emp from range.
My point is that knowing the hell that is TvP micro and positioning, 5 hellbats > 10 ghosts for ForGG there.
5 Hellbats are not better than 10 ghosts in that situation... Consider Archons/Templar/and the Zealots. Ghosts give ForGG many more options to get an advantage in the fight rather than the Hellbats.
On September 27 2013 01:46 Darkhoarse wrote: [quote] EMP's still really good on the army anyway, especially clumps of chargelots.
2 volleys from blue flame hellbats > 1 emp.
However, the emps can be "free damage" meaning the ghosts can do it and not die. No way do hellbats get close enough to a protoss army without getting immediately dusted by the Colossi.
Chargelots charge to hellbats, not the other way around.
What is your point with that statement? Doesn't change that they get blown up by the Toss army, while a ghost can emp from range.
My point is that knowing the hell that is TvP micro and positioning, 5 hellbats > 10 ghosts for ForGG there.
5 Hellbats are not better than 10 ghosts in that situation... Consider Archons/Templar/and the Zealots. Ghosts give ForGG many more options to get an advantage in the fight rather than the Hellbats.
Ghosts fry the chargelots :3?
*sigh* Ok we'll agree to disagree .
Sure
You are always fun and insightful in the LR threads
aaaah...too bad - guess no upset from ShowTime today, still cheering for him anyway - and so should you, such he nice guy, hell, he even played a couple of games against my little platinum nephew purely for fun, nothing to be gained for him there - well, apart from stomping noobs with masscarriers for the lulz...
On September 27 2013 01:59 VayneAuthority wrote: i like 3 map...I think he was trying to say he really liked whirlwind but the dude doing the interview is not helping at all
Well, Redeye has a big accent, it's not easy. He could be a little clearer tho, that's for sure.
Foreigner wins, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. Korean Wins, Bad game do not watch.
#nobias.
I think a large part of it is that underdog victories are seen as exciting, but we rarely have Korean underdogs (no one is going to fly them out, and they will never succeed in a Korean qualification). Also if we know something about the player's personality we tend to root for him (not really relevant here, but often we know foreigners better than Koreans). In addition in this case game 2 was probably the most interesting.
I'm really proud of ForGG doing the interview on his own. His English has improved and it shows amazing courage to speak on a public platform. I've been learning Korean for about a year and I feel HORRENDOUSLY nervous speaking even the basic Korean with native Korean speakers. Props to him.
On September 27 2013 02:01 Jarvs wrote: I'm really proud of ForGG doing the interview on his own. His English has improved and it shows amazing courage to speak on a public platform. I've been learning Korean for about a year and I feel HORRENDOUSLY nervous speaking even the basic Korean with native Korean speakers. Props to him.
Yeah it was actually quite good. He obviously mostly constructed simple sentences and misused certain terms slightly (three vs third most notably), but if you paid attention you could understand what he meant the whole time, which is more than you can say for most Koreans, even among the ones who try to speak English.
On September 27 2013 02:01 Jarvs wrote: I'm really proud of ForGG doing the interview on his own. His English has improved and it shows amazing courage to speak on a public platform. I've been learning Korean for about a year and I feel HORRENDOUSLY nervous speaking even the basic Korean with native Korean speakers. Props to him.
Yeah it was actually quite good. He obviously mostly constructed simple sentences and misused certain terms slightly (three vs third most notably), but if you paid attention you could understand what he meant the whole time, which is more than you can say for most Koreans, even among the ones who try to speak English.
hahahhaha. one smart man once wrote, for a human to integrate into a culture, what the koreans are clearly trying to do here, he needs to put very much effort into it, but also it needs effort to be putted by the society. so we better try hard to understand what they say and not jump on every mistake they do. experts are not made in a day
Game 1: Long macro game in which Genius eventually tries to transition to carriers and gets overrun after 35 minutes. Game 2: Genius does a Soul train which gets held, but then Nerchio takes crippling damage from DTs and dies to a follow up colossus push. Game 3: Cannon rush inducing BM Trololol.
On September 27 2013 02:11 Darkhoarse wrote: Game 1: Long macro game in which Genius eventually tries to transition to carriers and gets overrun after 35 minutes. Game 2: Genius does a Soul train which gets held, but then Nerchio takes crippling damage from DTs and dies to a follow up colossus push. Game 3: Cannon rush inducing BM Trololol.
On September 27 2013 02:11 Darkhoarse wrote: Game 1: Long macro game in which Genius eventually tries to transition to carriers and gets overrun after 35 minutes. Game 2: Genius does a Soul train which gets held, but then Nerchio takes crippling damage from DTs and dies to a follow up colossus push. Game 3: Cannon rush inducing BM Trololol.
I want this.
I think you need to sprinkle some more Voidrays over your prediction.
On September 27 2013 02:11 Darkhoarse wrote: Game 1: Long macro game in which Genius eventually tries to transition to carriers and gets overrun after 35 minutes. Game 2: Genius does a Soul train which gets held, but then Nerchio takes crippling damage from DTs and dies to a follow up colossus push. Game 3: Cannon rush inducing BM Trololol.
On September 27 2013 02:11 Darkhoarse wrote: Game 1: Long macro game in which Genius eventually tries to transition to carriers and gets overrun after 35 minutes. Game 2: Genius does a Soul train which gets held, but then Nerchio takes crippling damage from DTs and dies to a follow up colossus push. Game 3: Cannon rush inducing BM Trololol.
I want this.
I think you need to sprinkle some more Voidrays over your prediction.
One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
On September 27 2013 02:11 Darkhoarse wrote: Game 1: Long macro game in which Genius eventually tries to transition to carriers and gets overrun after 35 minutes. Game 2: Genius does a Soul train which gets held, but then Nerchio takes crippling damage from DTs and dies to a follow up colossus push. Game 3: Cannon rush inducing BM Trololol.
I want this.
I got a little overly specific I think.
However in the same time I want a ForGG-Nerchio :/
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
On September 27 2013 02:18 SixStrings wrote: Grubby and Apollo are such a treat to listen to and their English is perfect, almost as if they were native speakers.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
The best feeling in the world is winning a game despite forgetting warpgate.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Broodwar Toss build hasn't quite been figured out yet. Hard not to justify the cost of Warpgate from a strategic perspective.
On September 27 2013 02:18 SixStrings wrote: Grubby and Apollo are such a treat to listen to and their English is perfect, almost as if they were native speakers.
Pretty sure Apollo is a native speaker
Oh, I thought he was a Swede who has spent a lot of time in England.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Well I forget combat shield all the time so I feel you
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Well I forget combat shield all the time so I feel you
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Oh also, I once cancelled Stim about three seconds before it finished.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Well I forget combat shield all the time so I feel you
You don't realize how easy it is to do that until you mess around with bio for ten or so games.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Well I forget combat shield all the time so I feel you
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Oh also, I once cancelled Stim about three seconds before it finished.
I cancelled my first Rax because my SCV was harrassed and I forgot the hotkey more often than I want to admit
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Oh also, I once cancelled Stim about three seconds before it finished.
I cancelled my first Rax because my SCV was harrassed and I forgot the hotkey more often than I want to admit
TTTTTT it makes you cry because you have to stop building.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Oh also, I once cancelled Stim about three seconds before it finished.
Mindgames. I hope you researched the Caduceus Reactor after that.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Oh also, I once cancelled Stim about three seconds before it finished.
I cancelled my first Rax because my SCV was harrassed and I forgot the hotkey more often than I want to admit
How do you follow up accidentally canceling your rax?
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Oh also, I once cancelled Stim about three seconds before it finished.
I cancelled my first Rax because my SCV was harrassed and I forgot the hotkey more often than I want to admit
How do you follow up accidentally canceling your rax?
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Oh also, I once cancelled Stim about three seconds before it finished.
I cancelled my first Rax because my SCV was harrassed and I forgot the hotkey more often than I want to admit
How do you follow up accidentally canceling your rax?
On September 27 2013 02:24 FeyFey wrote: Don't play enough games to forget something it seems, sounds funny though. But I like to lift Orbitals in bad situations.
I theory, that should be nearly impossible, since Orbital 1+2 should be producing, right?
But no, I've so often tried to lift my third, lifted all three instead and my mining workers had nowhere to run.
On September 27 2013 02:15 Heartland wrote: One of my absolute favourite Starcraft moments is Naniwa vs Genius when the great Colossus fight breaks out of Ohana and Nani just oblirates Genius army and routs it because Genius forgot extended thermal lance.
Games decided by a forgotten upgrade are the saddest possible things . Do you remember that Rain vs. Seed game where Seed accidentally got the carrier upgrade instead of phoenix range? Rain won something like a 25 to 25 phoenix fight without losing one
haha. I don't remember that one, but that's one of the classic upgrades to get mixed up. Thermal lance is probably the one which has lost people the most games though.
When offracing, I once lost a PvZ because I forgot warp gate. True story.
I've lost games in every matchup because of that... And I play Protoss as main race : P
Oh also, I once cancelled Stim about three seconds before it finished.
I cancelled my first Rax because my SCV was harrassed and I forgot the hotkey more often than I want to admit
How do you follow up accidentally canceling your rax?
Rax cancel CC first Lowground for extra yolo
That's what I like to hear. Funny story, I went through a phase where I went CC first in all my TvZ's and if I got early pooled and died instead of GG I would type Yolo.
On September 27 2013 02:32 robson1 wrote: Genius is a friggin Genius. That phoenix mindgame. That seemingly stupid probe path... was indeed a elaborate ruse.
Korean Welmu, at least considering what Welmu means in Finnish.
On September 27 2013 02:31 Darkhoarse wrote: Wait what happened? I missed it.
Genius build 1 Phoenix and went overlord hunting, Nerchio expected first Phoenix and droned then scouted and thought some sort of Stargate based allin was coming and then only gateway units attacked, before he even had enough units ready. And the 3rd with all drones was cut off and no drone made it out alife. Then some precise forcefields got some roaches without really any Protoss unit dead.
On September 27 2013 02:31 Darkhoarse wrote: Wait what happened? I missed it.
Genius build 1 Phoenix and went overlord hunting, Nerchio expected first Phoenix and droned then scouted and thought some sort of Stargate based allin was coming and then only gateway units attacked, before he even had enough units ready. And the 3rd with all drones was cut off and no drone made it out alife. Then some precise forcefields got some roaches without really any Protoss unit dead.
On September 27 2013 02:39 stuchiu wrote: Easiest games of Genius' life. Even easier than when he all-killed ST and that was so free I felt I was being paid to watch that.
On September 27 2013 02:41 Wudu wrote: NO Team for Genius? Liquid Go Go !
I must admit it is kinda bizarre. He is clearly looking for a team, has quite the personality and is pretty damn skilled. Maybe he only wants the very top teams. Can't imagine that newer teams like my insanity or acer haven't approached him yet.
On September 27 2013 02:41 Wudu wrote: NO Team for Genius? Liquid Go Go !
I must admit it is kinda bizarre. He is clearly looking for a team, has quite the personality and is pretty damn skilled. Maybe he only wants the very top teams. Can't imagine that newer teams like my insanity or acer haven't approached him yet.
mYI isn't that new iirc, their SC2 division only recently started gaining steam. I don't think that he fits the Liquid profile for a new player though.
Rofl. Has Nerchio been playing on the NA ladder? What was that mindless shit he thought he was going to do. I say going to do, because he got so crushed that Genius might as well have been playing a build order bot.
Like, it's 2013 and you don't know that an overlord goes outside the toss main? What the fuck is this?
On September 27 2013 02:39 stuchiu wrote: Easiest games of Genius' life. Even easier than when he all-killed ST and that was so free I felt I was being paid to watch that.
On September 27 2013 02:41 Wudu wrote: NO Team for Genius? Liquid Go Go !
I must admit it is kinda bizarre. He is clearly looking for a team, has quite the personality and is pretty damn skilled. Maybe he only wants the very top teams. Can't imagine that newer teams like my insanity or acer haven't approached him yet.
Both of those teams seem like pretty decent fits for him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him going to either of those places.
Poor Genius never had a stable team since leaving MVP. He's a GSL finalist who only seems to want a good environnement to play and give good results when motivated. Yet everyone turning him down. :/
On September 27 2013 02:41 Wudu wrote: NO Team for Genius? Liquid Go Go !
I must admit it is kinda bizarre. He is clearly looking for a team, has quite the personality and is pretty damn skilled. Maybe he only wants the very top teams. Can't imagine that newer teams like my insanity or acer haven't approached him yet.
He did join Slayers when it was on life-support. I'm pretty confused by this as well as the only criticism I've heard of Genius is that he tends to slack off (but when he's on he's a contender).
On September 27 2013 02:44 Noocta wrote: Poor Genius never had a stable team since leaving MVP. He's a GSL finalist who only seems to want a good environnement to play and give good results when motivated. Yet everyone turning him down. :/
On September 27 2013 02:39 stuchiu wrote: Easiest games of Genius' life. Even easier than when he all-killed ST and that was so free I felt I was being paid to watch that.
TT
It's okay, we have Panic now. WHAT A GOD!
Yeah what the hell was that? He's never even made a GSL. W/e I'll take it.
They have a translator living in Cologne now? I don't understand how this can be profitable, given the studio (rent in Cologne isn't cheap), appartements for Apollo, Kaelaris and guests, wages for the casters and the staff etc. And all this without running a single ad at all.
On September 27 2013 02:39 stuchiu wrote: Easiest games of Genius' life. Even easier than when he all-killed ST and that was so free I felt I was being paid to watch that.
TT
It's okay, we have Panic now. WHAT A GOD!
Yeah what the hell was that? He's never even made a GSL. W/e I'll take it.
On September 27 2013 02:46 SixStrings wrote: They have a translator living in Cologne now? I don't understand how this can be profitable, given the studio (rent in Cologne isn't cheap), appartements for Apollo, Kaelaris and guests, wages for the casters and the staff etc. And all this without running a single ad at all.
How does this work?
It works on Blizzard. Also, is not this in Turtle Entertainment very own building?
On September 27 2013 02:46 SixStrings wrote: They have a translator living in Cologne now? I don't understand how this can be profitable, given the studio (rent in Cologne isn't cheap), appartements for Apollo, Kaelaris and guests, wages for the casters and the staff etc. And all this without running a single ad at all.
On September 27 2013 02:46 SixStrings wrote: They have a translator living in Cologne now? I don't understand how this can be profitable, given the studio (rent in Cologne isn't cheap), appartements for Apollo, Kaelaris and guests, wages for the casters and the staff etc. And all this without running a single ad at all.
How does this work?
The translator is SK's manager, he lives in Germany and speaks fluently english, german and korean.
On September 27 2013 02:41 Wudu wrote: NO Team for Genius? Liquid Go Go !
I must admit it is kinda bizarre. He is clearly looking for a team, has quite the personality and is pretty damn skilled. Maybe he only wants the very top teams. Can't imagine that newer teams like my insanity or acer haven't approached him yet.
He did join Slayers when it was on life-support. I'm pretty confused by this as well as the only criticism I've heard of Genius is that he tends to slack off (but when he's on he's a contender).
I remember he asked to join Liquid but was turned down, that was about a year ago though I think.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
Sniper was actually really damn good. One of the only zergs who was ballsy enough to play muta/ling in WoL against both terran and protoss and his ZvZ was obviously brilliant.
On September 27 2013 02:41 Wudu wrote: NO Team for Genius? Liquid Go Go !
I must admit it is kinda bizarre. He is clearly looking for a team, has quite the personality and is pretty damn skilled. Maybe he only wants the very top teams. Can't imagine that newer teams like my insanity or acer haven't approached him yet.
He did join Slayers when it was on life-support. I'm pretty confused by this as well as the only criticism I've heard of Genius is that he tends to slack off (but when he's on he's a contender).
I remember he asked to join Liquid but was turned down, that was about a year ago though I think.
Yeah, I think he wanted more money than Liquid was prepared to pay?
On September 27 2013 02:46 SixStrings wrote: They have a translator living in Cologne now? I don't understand how this can be profitable, given the studio (rent in Cologne isn't cheap), appartements for Apollo, Kaelaris and guests, wages for the casters and the staff etc. And all this without running a single ad at all.
How does this work?
It's SK's manager reis.
So? Surely he doesn't do this for free. Even if they didn't have a translator, I don't understand how they fund this league.
On September 27 2013 02:44 Noocta wrote: Poor Genius never had a stable team since leaving MVP. He's a GSL finalist who only seems to want a good environnement to play and give good results when motivated. Yet everyone turning him down. :/
I love him. But he's quiet the enigma, so I can understand a team not wanting to invest money in such an unstable player with obvious motivation problems.
I recall an interview where he said he played like 10 games a week or so.
On September 27 2013 02:41 Wudu wrote: NO Team for Genius? Liquid Go Go !
I must admit it is kinda bizarre. He is clearly looking for a team, has quite the personality and is pretty damn skilled. Maybe he only wants the very top teams. Can't imagine that newer teams like my insanity or acer haven't approached him yet.
He did join Slayers when it was on life-support. I'm pretty confused by this as well as the only criticism I've heard of Genius is that he tends to slack off (but when he's on he's a contender).
I remember he asked to join Liquid but was turned down, that was about a year ago though I think.
Create a new team with Genius, Madbull, and San for GSTL. Add YugiOh and Shuttle then you have a line up. I want to watch a Protoss heavy team in the GSTL.
On September 27 2013 02:46 SixStrings wrote: They have a translator living in Cologne now? I don't understand how this can be profitable, given the studio (rent in Cologne isn't cheap), appartements for Apollo, Kaelaris and guests, wages for the casters and the staff etc. And all this without running a single ad at all.
How does this work?
It's SK's manager reis.
So? Surely he doesn't do this for free. Even if they didn't have a translator, I don't understand how they fund this league.
Have you not noticed the massive shilling for Roccat, and Blizzard?
EDIT: Not to mention those giant Red Bull ads we're staring at right now.
On September 27 2013 02:41 Wudu wrote: NO Team for Genius? Liquid Go Go !
I must admit it is kinda bizarre. He is clearly looking for a team, has quite the personality and is pretty damn skilled. Maybe he only wants the very top teams. Can't imagine that newer teams like my insanity or acer haven't approached him yet.
He did join Slayers when it was on life-support. I'm pretty confused by this as well as the only criticism I've heard of Genius is that he tends to slack off (but when he's on he's a contender).
I remember he asked to join Liquid but was turned down, that was about a year ago though I think.
Create a new team with Genius, Madbull, and San for GSTL. Add YugiOh and Shuttle then you have a line up. I want to watch a Protoss heavy team in the GSTL.
Make sure San doesn't have to come to the studio to play. Easy.
Genius was in like 15 code S tournaments. Made several deep runs. Was a steady contributor in GSTL for MVP. And basically always top top korean when he really got his mind into the game and practiced.
anyone else interested in community sponsoring Genius for a week if he makes it to the EU Ro8? It's an idea I had in mind for Symbol in the past, but he found a team before we could make it happen.
basically we throw in money, and he has to wear shirt/tag of our choice for a short period
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
Sniper was actually really damn good. One of the only zergs who was ballsy enough to play muta/ling in WoL against both terran and protoss and his ZvZ was obviously brilliant.
On September 27 2013 02:46 SixStrings wrote: They have a translator living in Cologne now? I don't understand how this can be profitable, given the studio (rent in Cologne isn't cheap), appartements for Apollo, Kaelaris and guests, wages for the casters and the staff etc. And all this without running a single ad at all.
How does this work?
It's SK's manager reis.
So? Surely he doesn't do this for free. Even if they didn't have a translator, I don't understand how they fund this league.
Blizzard pays alot that you don't even notice that you can subscribe to ESL. They also have a sponsor for this season and usually do promotions. Lots of money sources.
On September 27 2013 02:41 Wudu wrote: NO Team for Genius? Liquid Go Go !
I must admit it is kinda bizarre. He is clearly looking for a team, has quite the personality and is pretty damn skilled. Maybe he only wants the very top teams. Can't imagine that newer teams like my insanity or acer haven't approached him yet.
He did join Slayers when it was on life-support. I'm pretty confused by this as well as the only criticism I've heard of Genius is that he tends to slack off (but when he's on he's a contender).
I remember he asked to join Liquid but was turned down, that was about a year ago though I think.
Create a new team with Genius, Madbull, and San for GSTL. Add YugiOh and Shuttle then you have a line up. I want to watch a Protoss heavy team in the GSTL.
Make sure San doesn't have to come to the studio to play. Easy.
With GSTL teams looking pretty thin I think they can be competitive enough to take the title on a very good day. Even with San shitting his pants because of the cameras. haha
Genius was in like 15 code S tournaments. Made several deep runs. Was a steady contributor in GSTL for MVP. And basically always top top korean when he really got his mind into the game and practiced.
15? There ARE total of 15 Code S seasons. And i did not say he was a bad player, i just said that GSL finalist story is irrelevant.
On September 27 2013 02:52 Waxangel wrote: anyone else interested in community sponsoring Genius for a week if he makes it to the EU Ro8? It's an idea I had in mind for Symbol in the past, but he found a team before we could make it happen.
basically we throw in money, and he has to wear shirt/tag of our choice for a short period
I'm in! Can't throw hundreds of dollars at him personally but I'd chip in some cash!
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
Sniper was actually really damn good. One of the only zergs who was ballsy enough to play muta/ling in WoL against both terran and protoss and his ZvZ was obviously brilliant.
On September 27 2013 02:46 SixStrings wrote: They have a translator living in Cologne now? I don't understand how this can be profitable, given the studio (rent in Cologne isn't cheap), appartements for Apollo, Kaelaris and guests, wages for the casters and the staff etc. And all this without running a single ad at all.
How does this work?
It's SK's manager reis.
So? Surely he doesn't do this for free. Even if they didn't have a translator, I don't understand how they fund this league.
Blizzard pays alot that you don't even notice that you can subscribe to ESL. They also have a sponsor for this season and usually do promotions. Lots of money sources.
Still, it's hard to... hang on, let me move this ROCCAT Kone Pure™ (which you can Like on Facebook), so I don't spill this delicious Red Bull on it... explain. Blizzcon Blizzcon. Over to you, Kaelaris.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
Genius was in like 15 code S tournaments. Made several deep runs. Was a steady contributor in GSTL for MVP. And basically always top top korean when he really got his mind into the game and practiced.
15? There ARE total of 15 Code S seasons. And i did not say he was a bad player, i just said that GSL finalist story is irrelevant.
there are more than 15 code S season i think. But either way i was exaggerating. He was a mainstay in korean top competion from 2010-2012
On September 27 2013 02:52 Waxangel wrote: anyone else interested in community sponsoring Genius for a week if he makes it to the EU Ro8? It's an idea I had in mind for Symbol in the past, but he found a team before we could make it happen.
basically we throw in money, and he has to wear shirt/tag of our choice for a short period
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
The hell? Seed was the second best player in the world during Taeja's summer. Seed was a fucking beast.
On September 27 2013 02:52 Waxangel wrote: anyone else interested in community sponsoring Genius for a week if he makes it to the EU Ro8? It's an idea I had in mind for Symbol in the past, but he found a team before we could make it happen.
basically we throw in money, and he has to wear shirt/tag of our choice for a short period
I'm in! Can't throw hundreds of dollars at him personally but I'd chip in some cash!
On September 27 2013 02:52 Waxangel wrote: anyone else interested in community sponsoring Genius for a week if he makes it to the EU Ro8? It's an idea I had in mind for Symbol in the past, but he found a team before we could make it happen.
basically we throw in money, and he has to wear shirt/tag of our choice for a short period
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
On September 27 2013 02:52 Waxangel wrote: anyone else interested in community sponsoring Genius for a week if he makes it to the EU Ro8? It's an idea I had in mind for Symbol in the past, but he found a team before we could make it happen.
basically we throw in money, and he has to wear shirt/tag of our choice for a short period
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
Yes, i remember he had his hot record that season. But did you honestly even remotely expect Sniper to be there that season? Especially being Life's fan.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
On September 27 2013 02:46 SixStrings wrote: They have a translator living in Cologne now? I don't understand how this can be profitable, given the studio (rent in Cologne isn't cheap), appartements for Apollo, Kaelaris and guests, wages for the casters and the staff etc. And all this without running a single ad at all.
How does this work?
It's SK's manager reis.
So? Surely he doesn't do this for free. Even if they didn't have a translator, I don't understand how they fund this league.
Blizzard pays alot that you don't even notice that you can subscribe to ESL. They also have a sponsor for this season and usually do promotions. Lots of money sources.
Still, it's hard to... hang on, let me move this ROCCAT Kone Pure™ (which you can Like on Facebook), so I don't spill this delicious Red Bull on it... explain. Blizzcon Blizzcon. Over to you, Kaelaris.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
Jjakji?
You will want to watch the first GSTL season of NSH again, among a few other things.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
Jjakji?
Back in GSL
Tbh if we go with who is still in GSL, the most random GSL champ is.... Fruitdealer, LOL.
On September 27 2013 02:52 Waxangel wrote: anyone else interested in community sponsoring Genius for a week if he makes it to the EU Ro8? It's an idea I had in mind for Symbol in the past, but he found a team before we could make it happen.
basically we throw in money, and he has to wear shirt/tag of our choice for a short period
yeah we should some kind of croundfunding thing:p he deserves it...
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
Jjakji?
Well jjakji had the hottest streak ever I agree. But he really is fucking amazing. He just won his title way too soon
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius, Squirtle, Rain. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
On September 27 2013 02:52 Waxangel wrote: anyone else interested in community sponsoring Genius for a week if he makes it to the EU Ro8? It's an idea I had in mind for Symbol in the past, but he found a team before we could make it happen.
basically we throw in money, and he has to wear shirt/tag of our choice for a short period
I'm in! Can't throw hundreds of dollars at him personally but I'd chip in some cash!
I'll throw $100 to have him come out draped in a Jamaican flag.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
Give the guy a little credit. Making a GSL finals takes a lot of skill considering the tournament is over a length of time and if you are gimicky you usually get figured out before the end. Plus he went through Seed, sOs, Polt, Parting, and Ryung. Of course he is still the arch villian of WoL, but you can't say he was entirely "random"
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
Jjakji?
Back in GSL
What? Jjakji was very random when he happened. Are you saying he is now back in the GSL? That doesn't really affect how unlikely he was in the past.
EDIT: Wait he is not back in the GSL. I have no idea what that was supposed to mean.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
5 off the top of my head. MC Squirtle Rain Seed Genius. If there are more, it's like one more.
Edit: oh yeah the one who was cloaked escaped my memory.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
Give the guy a little credit. Making a GSL finals takes a lot of skill considering the tournament is over a length of time and if you are gimicky you usually get figured out before the end. Plus he went through Seed, sOs, Polt, Parting, and Ryung. Of course he is still the arch villian of WoL, but you can't say he was entirely "random"
I did not say he was not skilled. He obviously was, i just say that pretty much any good korean (and we all know there is a lot of 'em) on a hot streak can get to GSL finals, granted they manage to get to Code A first :D
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
5 off the top of my head. MC Squirtle Rain Seed Genius. If there are more, it's like one more.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
no i just want to count the real gsls
Ok so MC, Inca, Seed, Genius, Squirtle, I think. Does OSL count? Since it's basically the same thing as Code S now...
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
5 off the top of my head. MC Squirtle Rain Seed Genius. If there are more, it's like one more.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
no i just want to count the real gsls
Ok so MC, Inca, Seed, Genius, Squirtle, Rain I think
Not Rain, TSL_Rain is terran and SKT1 Rain was in OSL, not GSL.
On September 27 2013 02:52 Waxangel wrote: anyone else interested in community sponsoring Genius for a week if he makes it to the EU Ro8? It's an idea I had in mind for Symbol in the past, but he found a team before we could make it happen.
basically we throw in money, and he has to wear shirt/tag of our choice for a short period
Yeah we could do a Teamliquid.net fan sponsorship of him! Then we could have him wear a Teamliquid shirt and use a Teamliquid tag and then.... he could just be on Teamliquid.
On September 27 2013 02:53 ThomasjServo wrote: Predictions for maps for Genius vs. ForGG?
Bel Shir Frost Whirlwind
I think Genius Vetoes Akilon for some reason.
I think he vetoes District Watcher and Whirlwind. ForGG vetoes Frost and Yonseu
hahaha people always get Derelict Watcher wrong. Some friends of mine keep calling it District Watcher, District Watchtower, Derelict Watchtower, Deleric Watcher etc
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
5 off the top of my head. MC Squirtle Rain Seed Genius. If there are more, it's like one more.
Edit: oh yeah the one who was cloaked escaped my memory.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
5 off the top of my head. MC Squirtle Rain Seed Genius. If there are more, it's like one more.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
no i just want to count the real gsls
Ok so MC, Inca, Seed, Genius, Squirtle, Rain I think
Not Rain, TSL_Rain is terran and SKT1 Rain was in OSL, not GSL.
I counted Rain's second OSL finals because both GSL and OSL are WCS Korea now.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
no i just want to count the real gsls
Ok so MC, Inca, Seed, Genius, Squirtle, Rain I think
Not Rain, TSL_Rain is terran and SKT1 Rain was in OSL, not GSL.
I counted Rain's second OSL finals because both GSL and OSL are WCS Korea now.
They keep their branding though and i go with this. If we are to count wcs korea, we may as well count Creator.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
Jjakji?
Back in GSL
What? Jjakji was very random when he happened. Are you saying he is now back in the GSL? That doesn't really affect how unlikely he was in the past.
EDIT: Wait he is not back in the GSL. I have no idea what that was supposed to mean.
On September 27 2013 02:48 DarkLordOlli wrote: [quote]
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
no i just want to count the real gsls
Ok so MC, Inca, Seed, Genius, Squirtle, Rain I think
Not Rain, TSL_Rain is terran and SKT1 Rain was in OSL, not GSL.
I counted Rain's second OSL finals because both GSL and OSL are WCS Korea now.
They keep their branding though and i go with this. If we are to count wcs korea, we may as well count Creator.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
Jjakji?
Back in GSL
What? Jjakji was very random when he happened. Are you saying he is now back in the GSL? That doesn't really affect how unlikely he was in the past.
EDIT: Wait he is not back in the GSL. I have no idea what that was supposed to mean.
Actually he is. He plays in the ro16 tomorrow.
Oh, guess it makes a little sense then, I still don't understand the reasoning behind it.
On September 27 2013 02:48 lolfail9001 wrote: [quote] Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
no i just want to count the real gsls
Ok so MC, Inca, Seed, Genius, Squirtle, Rain I think
Not Rain, TSL_Rain is terran and SKT1 Rain was in OSL, not GSL.
I counted Rain's second OSL finals because both GSL and OSL are WCS Korea now.
They keep their branding though and i go with this. If we are to count wcs korea, we may as well count Creator.
On September 27 2013 02:55 Zealously wrote: [quote]
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
no i just want to count the real gsls
Ok so MC, Inca, Seed, Genius, Squirtle, Rain I think
Not Rain, TSL_Rain is terran and SKT1 Rain was in OSL, not GSL.
I counted Rain's second OSL finals because both GSL and OSL are WCS Korea now.
They keep their branding though and i go with this. If we are to count wcs korea, we may as well count Creator.
WCS 2012 was a different tournament.
See, there is NO reason to count OSL and GSL ^^
Well I like to think we're counting the WCS because last GSL qualified for first WCS. And then first WCS qualified for second WCS, which is why I want to count it as well. It's not about companies, it's about continuity.
On September 27 2013 03:00 Nebuchad wrote: Yeah but there's no real reason not to count WCS season 2...
a reason is the format.
No its not,
it is it's a different format, therefore it's different from the gsls.
Because round robin makes the same playerpool invalid. Sure
it's not about invalid, it's about being different. i don't say that the tournament sucks now, but it's different compared to gsl, therefore i don't count that.
No Genius is not a guy who build his career on aggression guys. He's know for void ray all ins. But he was know also for stellar late game pvt and pvp, especially pvt. He is one of the ultimate deathball masters.
On September 27 2013 02:55 Zealously wrote: [quote]
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
MC, Inca, Seed, Genius. Not sure if you wanna count sOs' season finals or Parting's Blizzard Cup?
no i just want to count the real gsls
Ok so MC, Inca, Seed, Genius, Squirtle, Rain I think
Not Rain, TSL_Rain is terran and SKT1 Rain was in OSL, not GSL.
I counted Rain's second OSL finals because both GSL and OSL are WCS Korea now.
They keep their branding though and i go with this. If we are to count wcs korea, we may as well count Creator.
WCS 2012 was a different tournament.
See, there is NO reason to count OSL and GSL ^^
There is. They have the same qualification system which is basically Code A. If you do well in OSL, you qualify for GSL and the other way around. The player cast is the same. For WCS Korea 2012 everybody started from scratch and had to qualify anew, lots of players not even attending.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
yes, sniper was consistently good for a while, but honestly which zerg wasnt at that time
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
yes, sniper was consistently good for a while, but honestly which zerg wasnt at that time
All zergs played with the same conditions. He's the one who won.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
yes, sniper was consistently good for a while, but honestly which zerg wasnt at that time
All zergs played with the same conditions. He's the one who won.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
5 off the top of my head. MC Squirtle Rain Seed Genius. If there are more, it's like one more.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
5 off the top of my head. MC Squirtle Rain Seed Genius. If there are more, it's like one more.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
5 off the top of my head. MC Squirtle Rain Seed Genius. If there are more, it's like one more.
Rain was never in GSL finals, Inca was.
Rain was in a GSL final, he wasn't protoss though
Context, ***********, do you see it?
I think he was just poking fun, not seriously trying to correct people.
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
i would claim that protoss finalists are not random at all! because there were only like 3? Don't beat me i wasn't there during the first months of sc2
5 off the top of my head. MC Squirtle Rain Seed Genius. If there are more, it's like one more.
On September 27 2013 03:05 Aeromi wrote: PourGG yeah o/
FürGG
дляGG
дляГыГы then. Better name anyone?
I am trying to think of a name that starts with an H so you can start it with a "Г" like is so common in russian.
EmpireGappy?
Perfect, I just remember seeing my Russian ex's copy of Harry Potter and being confused as to why the hell is was, Гappй поттep (The I is probably wrong but w/e)
On September 27 2013 03:06 robson1 wrote: Osl 2013 = GSL. End of story. Same player pool. nearly the same format.
No. Seriously, no. I am not even sure if Rain would get out of group there or Maru out of Ro32 (granted he would probably).
Why do the first GSL count, then? They didn't have the same format either.
There was a toss finalist in GSL opens aside from MC :D? Also, GSL Code S does count as GSL Code S mainly because of branding (yes, i am respecting it, as it is how they treat those).
On September 27 2013 03:18 elanobissen wrote: So many games decided by 2 storms these days :<
as a terran i gotta say. You whiners are crazy sometimes. He ran into 4 naked templars with his whole army, he refuses to build ghosts as well. No need to whine.
On September 27 2013 03:18 elanobissen wrote: So many games decided by 2 storms these days :<
as a terran i gotta say. You whiners are crazy sometimes. He ran into 4 naked templars with his whole army, he refuses to build ghosts as well. No need to whine.
Yeah I don't think that is imbalanced, I think that was a badddddd mistake by ForGG.
Genius is like Protoss Bomber. Stays in the shadows and has very little disappointing appearance until he goes absolute beast for a moment and just looks league above others.
On September 27 2013 03:18 elanobissen wrote: So many games decided by 2 storms these days :<
as a terran i gotta say. You whiners are crazy sometimes. He ran into 4 naked templars with his whole army, he refuses to build ghosts as well. No need to whine.
Yeah I don't think that is imbalanced, I think that was a badddddd mistake by ForGG.
You mean at point where he was with no vikings against 4 collosi? Now that was a bad mistake. + not focusing down those forges.
On September 27 2013 03:18 unigolyn wrote: Fun fact, actually decimating the viking count would only require killing 10% of them.
People always misuse that word
That's just one of two definitions (to remove 1/10 of an army). The other one, which is more frequently used and still correct, is to remove a large percentage (a rather arbitrary amount). So while you could decimate an army by removing 10% of it, it doesn't need to be exactly 10% (it could be more).
On September 27 2013 02:45 Psychobabas wrote: Well done Genius. Nice allins. Really deep play. So hard to execute.
> Have no skill > Be a GSL finalist
Sniper. Random GSL finalists happen.
If we're going to call a GSL finalist "random", the only one I'd go with (and even he is debatable) is Seed. Sniper was consistently good for a while before he reached the finals.
Jjakji?
Back in GSL
What? Jjakji was very random when he happened. Are you saying he is now back in the GSL? That doesn't really affect how unlikely he was in the past.
EDIT: Wait he is not back in the GSL. I have no idea what that was supposed to mean.
Actually he is. He plays in the ro16 tomorrow.
Oh, guess it makes a little sense then, I still don't understand the reasoning behind it.
If I've understood correctly, the term "fluke champion" is used when a player rises quickly, wins a premier tournament and then disappears. While jjakji fell off for a while, him reaching the Ro16 shows that he was no fluke, although he may have had a lucky run.
On September 27 2013 03:18 unigolyn wrote: Fun fact, actually decimating the viking count would only require killing 10% of them.
People always misuse that word
That's just one of two definitions (to remove 1/10 of an army). The other one, which is more frequently used and still correct, is to remove a large percentage (a rather arbitrary amount). So while you could decimate an army by removing 10% of it, it doesn't need to be exactly 10% (it could be more).
Hmm didn't know that second definition was correct. The more you know.
On September 27 2013 03:18 unigolyn wrote: Fun fact, actually decimating the viking count would only require killing 10% of them.
People always misuse that word
That's just one of two definitions (to remove 1/10 of an army). The other one, which is more frequently used and still correct, is to remove a large percentage (a rather arbitrary amount). So while you could decimate an army by removing 10% of it, it doesn't need to be exactly 10% (it could be more).
I know it's been misused for so long that the more common definition is now technically correct, but the original word is very specifically about destroying one tenth. Deci-mate.
On September 27 2013 03:22 VayneAuthority wrote: yea this is going to be some sort of all-in
even a scrub like me could notice that not mining the gas to get up a fast expand is going to lead into some sort of all-in otherwise you wouldn't be trying to time things.
On September 27 2013 03:18 unigolyn wrote: Fun fact, actually decimating the viking count would only require killing 10% of them.
People always misuse that word
That's just one of two definitions (to remove 1/10 of an army). The other one, which is more frequently used and still correct, is to remove a large percentage (a rather arbitrary amount). So while you could decimate an army by removing 10% of it, it doesn't need to be exactly 10% (it could be more).
I know it's been misused for so long that the more common definition is now technically correct, but the original word is very specifically about destroying one tenth. Deci-mate.
I'm also liking "vicesimation" and "centesimation". Have to use those in the future more often ^_^
On September 27 2013 03:30 Tiaraju9 wrote: I was out.... What happened? The game is already over.
1 gate nexus into 4 gate attack with pylon on the penisula. ForGG moved out a small army and got caught by a Timewarp and warp ins. Had no bunkers. Not that bunkers would have saved him after losing 500-600 mins in army for nothing.
ESL production is so good from RO16 on btw. I love the interviews and replay analysis. Redeye is a great host as well. And they all seem to be so comfortable with each other.
I haven't played SC2 in a while, but I went out of my way to go online and get five easy wins just to unlock those school-related portraits Professor Zeratul ftw ♥
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
I think, although he had some nice victories with it in the past, he should think about switching it up, Oz defeated it at ATC and at DH with more or less just Phoenixes. But knowing Nerchio, he will probably adapt soon.
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
Soulkey. Granted that did not help him against mass phoenix in that game with Sora.
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
I think, although he had some nice victories with it in the past, he should think about switching it up, Oz defeated it at ATC and at DH with more or less just Phoenixes. But knowing Nerchio, he will probably adapt soon.
It is extremely angle based in a non zergy way being that it is the air, funny as hell to watch.
Lol at going straight to mass air from lings, I really wish Blizzard would just nerf Mutalisks to the ground so they dissappear, it's the lamest thing ever to watch.
On September 27 2013 04:06 Zheryn wrote: Lol at going straight to mass air from lings, I really wish Blizzard would just nerf Mutalisks to the ground so they dissappear, it's the lamest thing ever to watch.
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
Soulkey. Granted that did not help him against mass phoenix in that game with Sora.
Well at some point Protoss will realise the Phoenix with upgrades are better then Voidrays against Corrupters after the range upgrade. To bad Voidrays got so useless with HotS, I really miss using them.
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
I think, although he had some nice victories with it in the past, he should think about switching it up, Oz defeated it at ATC and at DH with more or less just Phoenixes. But knowing Nerchio, he will probably adapt soon.
It is extremely angle based in a non zergy way being that it is the air, funny as hell to watch.
Funny, if it works. Very frustrating, if it does´nt. I was rooting for Nerchio in said ATC match and it was incredibly frustrating to see 30+ Corruptors getting kited to death by Phoenix just because they can not shoot while flying.
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
Soulkey. Granted that did not help him against mass phoenix in that game with Sora.
Well at some point Protoss will realise the Phoenix with upgrades are better then Voidrays against Corrupters after the range upgrade. To bad Voidrays got so useless with HotS, I really miss using them.
Yeah, actually void rays are pretty good. They are bad against spire if spire comes into play before critical mass of void rays
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
I think, although he had some nice victories with it in the past, he should think about switching it up, Oz defeated it at ATC and at DH with more or less just Phoenixes. But knowing Nerchio, he will probably adapt soon.
It is extremely angle based in a non zergy way being that it is the air, funny as hell to watch.
Funny, if it works. Very frustrating, if it does´nt. I was rooting for Nerchio in said ATC match and it was incredibly frustrating to see 30+ Corruptors getting kited to death by Phoenix just because they can not shoot while flying.
Actually phoenix would kite corruptors to death even if corruptors would shoot on move. And no, it is funny as hell to see mass phoenix :D
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
Soulkey. Granted that did not help him against mass phoenix in that game with Sora.
Well at some point Protoss will realise the Phoenix with upgrades are better then Voidrays against Corrupters after the range upgrade. To bad Voidrays got so useless with HotS, I really miss using them.
lol. voidrays. The unit who got the best buff off all wol units, aside from the ultralisk, got useless with hots?
On September 27 2013 04:06 Zheryn wrote: Lol at going straight to mass air from lings, I really wish Blizzard would just nerf Mutalisks to the ground so they dissappear, it's the lamest thing ever to watch.
It's one of the few units in this game that does not get hardcountered or itself hardcounter anything. It's one of the few units with a relatively open field of application, that allows for at least a part of the creativity and flexibility we saw in BW.
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
I think, although he had some nice victories with it in the past, he should think about switching it up, Oz defeated it at ATC and at DH with more or less just Phoenixes. But knowing Nerchio, he will probably adapt soon.
It is extremely angle based in a non zergy way being that it is the air, funny as hell to watch.
Funny, if it works. Very frustrating, if it does´nt. I was rooting for Nerchio in said ATC match and it was incredibly frustrating to see 30+ Corruptors getting kited to death by Phoenix just because they can not shoot while flying.
Actually phoenix would kite corruptors to death even if corruptors would shoot on move. And no, it is funny as hell to see mass phoenix :D
Sora vs. Soulkey WCG KR ro4. Seriously watch that game on Newkirk
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
I think, although he had some nice victories with it in the past, he should think about switching it up, Oz defeated it at ATC and at DH with more or less just Phoenixes. But knowing Nerchio, he will probably adapt soon.
It is extremely angle based in a non zergy way being that it is the air, funny as hell to watch.
Funny, if it works. Very frustrating, if it does´nt. I was rooting for Nerchio in said ATC match and it was incredibly frustrating to see 30+ Corruptors getting kited to death by Phoenix just because they can not shoot while flying.
Actually phoenix would kite corruptors to death even if corruptors would shoot on move. And no, it is funny as hell to see mass phoenix :D
Sora vs. Soulkey WCG KR ro4. Seriously watch that game on Newkirk
I watched it. It was funny, but i still think it was more of a throw by Soulkey.
On September 27 2013 04:06 Zheryn wrote: Lol at going straight to mass air from lings, I really wish Blizzard would just nerf Mutalisks to the ground so they dissappear, it's the lamest thing ever to watch.
It's one of the few units in this game that does not get hardcountered or itself hardcounter anything. It's one of the few units with a relatively open field of application, that allows for at least a part of the creativity and flexibility we saw in BW.
Mutas rule, haters drool.
mutas are a great unit. But this mass muta/corruptor style melts my brain. it's so abusive and frustrating.
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
I think, although he had some nice victories with it in the past, he should think about switching it up, Oz defeated it at ATC and at DH with more or less just Phoenixes. But knowing Nerchio, he will probably adapt soon.
It is extremely angle based in a non zergy way being that it is the air, funny as hell to watch.
Funny, if it works. Very frustrating, if it does´nt. I was rooting for Nerchio in said ATC match and it was incredibly frustrating to see 30+ Corruptors getting kited to death by Phoenix just because they can not shoot while flying.
Actually phoenix would kite corruptors to death even if corruptors would shoot on move. And no, it is funny as hell to see mass phoenix :D
Don't really even need it past a point, Phoenix flocks are scary as hell when they get to critcal mass. We need to see Phoenix Carrier.
On September 27 2013 04:06 Zheryn wrote: Lol at going straight to mass air from lings, I really wish Blizzard would just nerf Mutalisks to the ground so they dissappear, it's the lamest thing ever to watch.
It's one of the few units in this game that does not get hardcountered or itself hardcounter anything. It's one of the few units with a relatively open field of application, that allows for at least a part of the creativity and flexibility we saw in BW.
Mutas rule, haters drool.
mutas are a great unit. But this mass muta/corruptor style melts my brain. it's so abusive and frustrating.
But it's instable and difficult to play. You either have great success or fail tremendously. To me it's thrilling to watch.
On September 27 2013 04:00 ThomasjServo wrote: Mass corrupter Muta, emphasis on Corrupter. It is insane to watch Nerchio play this out, he is the only Zerg I know that counters Stargate with Spire
Soulkey. Granted that did not help him against mass phoenix in that game with Sora.
Well at some point Protoss will realise the Phoenix with upgrades are better then Voidrays against Corrupters after the range upgrade. To bad Voidrays got so useless with HotS, I really miss using them.
lol. voidrays. The unit who got the best buff off all wol units, aside from the ultralisk, got useless with hots?
So Oracles are better Bunker busters and Phoenix have so much range that they can engage most air units without getting attacked back. That leaves a role for Voidrays fighting armored ground units. Yes I think they would do well against Mech still !
And what buff did they get? They cost 4 supply and do less damage in exchange for easier usage, I never had problems charging Voidrays before an engagement, so yes for me it was a heavy nerf. That made them useless in most ways I used them. And they will eventually disappear apart from getting them for a bit more security on the way to mass Phoenix.
On September 27 2013 04:06 Zheryn wrote: Lol at going straight to mass air from lings, I really wish Blizzard would just nerf Mutalisks to the ground so they dissappear, it's the lamest thing ever to watch.
It's one of the few units in this game that does not get hardcountered or itself hardcounter anything. It's one of the few units with a relatively open field of application, that allows for at least a part of the creativity and flexibility we saw in BW.
Mutas rule, haters drool.
They hard counter every Protoss unit that isn't a Phoenix. Where are our ground-to-air units
That's not quite what hard counter means. Void ray vs corruptor is a hard counter, +1 zealots vs 0 armor lings is a hard counter. Mass muta only beats mass blink stalker then they reach critical mass and have good upgrades. Add in Archon + storm and it will absolutely demolish mutas in a straight up fight. The only way for mutas to play against that is to circumvent or try to separate parts of the army.
On September 27 2013 04:28 gostunv wrote: why is the guy holding the camera so spastic?
quite amateurish.......
"No bm from Nerchio? That´s disappointing, let´s flame the camera guy instead"
I don´t know, what you are referring to tbh. even if the camera moved weird, while I was on another tab, that happens very rarely and can be looked over.
On September 27 2013 04:06 Zheryn wrote: Lol at going straight to mass air from lings, I really wish Blizzard would just nerf Mutalisks to the ground so they dissappear, it's the lamest thing ever to watch.
It's one of the few units in this game that does not get hardcountered or itself hardcounter anything. It's one of the few units with a relatively open field of application, that allows for at least a part of the creativity and flexibility we saw in BW.
Mutas rule, haters drool.
They hard counter every Protoss unit that isn't a Phoenix. Where are our ground-to-air units
That's not quite what hardcounter means. Mass muta only beats mas blink stalker then they reach critical mass and have good upgrades. Add in Aachon + storm and it will absolutely demolish mutas in a straight up fight. The only way for mutas to play against that is to circumvent or try to separate parts of the army.
Only Phoenixes can defend a Protoss against Mutalisks. Maybe Mutalisks don't hard counter the units themselves, but they hard counter every style that isn't Phoenixes.
That's a different story, and has more to do with the fundamentally shitty design of protoss. Mutas function very well in their flexible utility role, evident by the fact that this problem only really exists in ZvP. The fact that protoss for some reason has an Incontrol-sized hole in their ground based anti-air is another issue.
On September 27 2013 04:06 Zheryn wrote: Lol at going straight to mass air from lings, I really wish Blizzard would just nerf Mutalisks to the ground so they dissappear, it's the lamest thing ever to watch.
It's one of the few units in this game that does not get hardcountered or itself hardcounter anything. It's one of the few units with a relatively open field of application, that allows for at least a part of the creativity and flexibility we saw in BW.
Mutas rule, haters drool.
They hard counter every Protoss unit that isn't a Phoenix. Where are our ground-to-air units
That's not quite what hardcounter means. Mass muta only beats mas blink stalker then they reach critical mass and have good upgrades. Add in Aachon + storm and it will absolutely demolish mutas in a straight up fight. The only way for mutas to play against that is to circumvent or try to separate parts of the army.
Only Phoenixes can defend a Protoss against Mutalisks. Maybe Mutalisks don't hard counter the units themselves, but they hard counter every style that isn't Phoenixes.
People are trying to do some mix-ins lately, something like blink stalkers + archons + phoenixes.
Anyway I don't see why it's a problem that we have to get phoenixes to counter mutas (and I don't see why it would be shitty design either).
On September 27 2013 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote: what is the history between forGG and nerchio?
They played each other often online. Nerchio won 4-0 in some final and ForGG suspected cheating or something and Nerchio trolled him a lot. Nerchio disliked that ForGG never scouted for example, so he blind countered him often. This went on and they don't respect each other. They also met at DH.
On September 27 2013 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote: what is the history between forGG and nerchio?
They played each other often online. Nerchio won 4-0 in some final and ForGG suspected cheating or something and Nerchio trolled him a lot. Nerchio disliked that ForGG never scouted for example, so he blind countered him often. This went on and they don't respect each other. They also met at DH.
On September 27 2013 04:28 gostunv wrote: why is the guy holding the camera so spastic?
quite amateurish.......
"No bm from Nerchio? That´s disappointing, let´s flame the camera guy instead"
I don´t know, what you are referring to tbh. even if the camera moved weird, while I was on another tab, that happens very rarely and can be looked over.
i dont know why you replied to me if you weren't even watching the stream.
they were doing a close up of the caster and the camera man was obviously free handing it as the screen was shaking all around and at a weird angle.
they have tripods in the studio, dont know why they dont use it for all their shots.
the problem is that it makes the show look amateurish and looks bad on the tournament as a whole production wise.
this kind of stuff shouldnt happen at a blizzard sponsored major event.
On September 27 2013 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote: what is the history between forGG and nerchio?
They played each other often online. Nerchio won 4-0 in some final and ForGG suspected cheating or something and Nerchio trolled him a lot. Nerchio disliked that ForGG never scouted for example, so he blind countered him often. This went on and they don't respect each other. They also met at DH.
On September 27 2013 04:28 gostunv wrote: why is the guy holding the camera so spastic?
quite amateurish.......
"No bm from Nerchio? That´s disappointing, let´s flame the camera guy instead"
I don´t know, what you are referring to tbh. even if the camera moved weird, while I was on another tab, that happens very rarely and can be looked over.
i dont know why you replied to me if you weren't even watching the stream.
they were doing a close up of the caster and the camera man was obviously free handing it as the screen was shaking all around and at a weird angle.
they have tripods in the studio, dont know why they dont use it for all their shots.
the problem is that it makes the show look amateurish and looks bad on the tournament as a whole production wise.
this kind of stuff shouldnt happen at a blizzard sponsored major event.
Ok, that is obviously not neccessary, but still, they do 4-5 shows per week, I don´t think, we instantly have to critize them that harsh, if there is one bad close up of a caster (Which is not that important anyway [The close up, I mean, the casters are important]). For me this feels like unneccessary drama, that is, why I responded to you. But lets keep it at that and enjoy the games.
On September 27 2013 05:00 Zheryn wrote: This has to be one of the worst games in season 3, so bad build by nerchio and so bad decision makings by forgg.
On September 27 2013 05:00 Zheryn wrote: This has to be one of the worst games in season 3, so bad build by nerchio and so bad decision makings by forgg.
On September 27 2013 05:00 Zheryn wrote: This has to be one of the worst games in season 3, so bad build by nerchio and so bad decision makings by forgg.
On September 27 2013 05:00 Undead1993 wrote: wow nerchio didn't lie when he said "i have something planned in my mind"
That plan was... roaches. Nerchio makes Snute proud :D
it was far more than just "roaches" to say roaches is very discrediting. sick game by nerchio except for this one engagement where the widow mine got like 15 banes.
On September 27 2013 05:00 Undead1993 wrote: wow nerchio didn't lie when he said "i have something planned in my mind"
That plan was... roaches. Nerchio makes Snute proud :D
it was far more than just "roaches" to say roaches is very discrediting. sick game by nerchio except for this one engagement where the widow mine got like 15 banes.
Tbh that engagement when ForGG was doing his usual 1-1 mini-push with mass roaches pretty much won the game for Nerchio.
was a messy game but the way nerchio played...there was no other choice for either side. i like games like this. constant unit and drone production from zerg is beautiful rather than just one at a time -- takes far more skill but lets zerg be aggressive
On September 27 2013 05:01 miniskirt wrote: couldn't forgg lift his main cc to the bottom left expand?
That was covered in rocks? That's why i always send 1(!) marine to destroy all the rocks there are.
i mean, even if he was busy at the front line, he could have had some income by having his main CC close to the rocks and medium distance mining with scv/mules
On September 27 2013 05:00 Zheryn wrote: This has to be one of the worst games in season 3, so bad build by nerchio and so bad decision makings by forgg.
What he should have done? ForGG that is.
Well he shouldn't really try to fight on the map. That many roaches scale badly, so if you feel the need to go on the map it should be with drops and focus on doing dmg and loosing nothing. At high army values(and with good upgrades) T will start massacring the zerg, at low the roaches can trade somewhat decently with T.
On September 27 2013 05:00 Zheryn wrote: This has to be one of the worst games in season 3, so bad build by nerchio and so bad decision makings by forgg.
On September 27 2013 05:05 lolfail9001 wrote: On other side, if we will not have any terrans in WCS EU Ro8 there is a chance for cancel of WM nerf and even better buff to tank :D
On September 27 2013 05:05 lolfail9001 wrote: On other side, if we will not have any terrans in WCS EU Ro8 there is a chance for cancel of WM nerf and even better buff to tank :D
I might just mailbomb David Kim with Innovation replays from the ladder, they might very well remove mines entirely.
On September 27 2013 05:05 lolfail9001 wrote: On other side, if we will not have any terrans in WCS EU Ro8 there is a chance for cancel of WM nerf and even better buff to tank :D
On September 27 2013 05:05 lolfail9001 wrote: On other side, if we will not have any terrans in WCS EU Ro8 there is a chance for cancel of WM nerf and even better buff to tank :D
I might just mailbomb David Kim with Innovation replays from the ladder, they might very well remove mines entirely.
On September 27 2013 05:05 lolfail9001 wrote: On other side, if we will not have any terrans in WCS EU Ro8 there is a chance for cancel of WM nerf and even better buff to tank :D
On September 27 2013 05:05 lolfail9001 wrote: On other side, if we will not have any terrans in WCS EU Ro8 there is a chance for cancel of WM nerf and even better buff to tank :D
I might just mailbomb David Kim with Innovation replays from the ladder, they might very well remove mines entirely.
On September 27 2013 05:04 ZAiNs wrote: Was there any BM in the series?
On September 27 2013 05:00 DJHelium wrote:
On September 27 2013 04:47 Undead1993 wrote:
On September 27 2013 04:46 teddyoojo wrote: how are the odds we see a gg in those 2-3 games?
2/2 or 3/3 anyways 100 per cent
150% so far!
Exciting game, nice weird build by Nerchio.
^_^ nope
Huh? He wrote g, then gg, so 150%!
ah i knew it would be misleading i wanted to use your post as the answere to the other post and then i also wrote nope as the answere to this guy's question.sry._.
On September 27 2013 05:04 ZAiNs wrote: Was there any BM in the series?
On September 27 2013 05:00 DJHelium wrote:
On September 27 2013 04:47 Undead1993 wrote:
On September 27 2013 04:46 teddyoojo wrote: how are the odds we see a gg in those 2-3 games?
2/2 or 3/3 anyways 100 per cent
150% so far!
Exciting game, nice weird build by Nerchio.
^_^ nope
Huh? He wrote g, then gg, so 150%!
ah i knew it would be misleading i wanted to use your post as the answere to the other post and then i also wrote nope as the answere to this guy's question.sry._.
niceeee! not many koreans, good number of z players, i'm happy! it would be nice to add MMA (only terran that can make it to ro8) to ro8 and it would be great end of the tournament.
On September 27 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote: Losing to roach/hydra? Hhhheheehehe...
Roach/hydra is good goddammit!
You just have to play it really aggressively, continuous onslaught of roaches with either hydras or ling/baneling to keep overall supplies low, trade and expand behind, rinse and repeat. Eventually terran third folds or you can at least keep his army size low enough and keep him occupied long enough to switch into ling/muta.
On September 27 2013 05:16 Necro)Phagist( wrote: ForGG TvP = Refusal to build ghosts ForGG TvZ = Refusal to build bunkers/tanks.
Maybe he is actually so good he has to handicap himself so he doesn't win everything and make everyone else lose interest in the game?
Well ghosts aren't *required* if you are good at splitting(and you are aggressive/low ht count) and no tanks, well you don't build them unless you know you need them. He didn't. Can't really blame someone for not reacting correctly that he didn't even know he had to react.
On September 27 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote: Losing to roach/hydra? Hhhheheehehe...
Roach/hydra is good goddammit!
You just have to play it really aggressively, continuous onslaught of roaches with either hydras or ling/baneling to keep overall supplies low, trade and expand behind, rinse and repeat. Eventually terran third folds or you can at least keep his army size low enough and keep him occupied long enough to switch into ling/muta.
low supplies with roach hydra? Are you kidding me? Roach hydra is good as a seriously crippling timing, but not much else IMO.
On September 27 2013 05:16 painkilla wrote: No worry, MMA is going to win this season and protoss will be crying again.
no matter what, people will always be crying how OP terran is, even when there were only Zerg winning in the end of WoL, some still said, its just the stupidness of the terrans that they don't win with their OP Marines, Medivacs or whatever, not the strength of the Zerg
Well to be fair that Roach thing is still relatively new against Terrans in the pro region and not used to often. Looks to me like the TvP worker pull actually, punish the greedy one from running to their favority composition to fast.
Nice. Shortly gone and when I come back, Nerchio did it. I would have preferred Nerchio 1st, Genius 2nd, but I´m obviously fine with this, too. Now MMA and Titan tomorrow pls and IMhappy.
On September 27 2013 05:18 Schelim wrote: so the +1 melee was just a misclick. seems Apollo gave Nerchio a little bit too much credit there :D
Tbh without the missclick the attack would have been stronger, there is something to say for either option. But if you approach it purely as all-in then +2 range is simply better.
On September 27 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote: Losing to roach/hydra? Hhhheheehehe...
Roach/hydra is good goddammit!
You just have to play it really aggressively, continuous onslaught of roaches with either hydras or ling/baneling to keep overall supplies low, trade and expand behind, rinse and repeat. Eventually terran third folds or you can at least keep his army size low enough and keep him occupied long enough to switch into ling/muta.
low supplies with roach hydra? Are you kidding me? Roach hydra is good as a seriously crippling timing, but not much else IMO.
Roaches do really well against Bio before it gets to critical mass. If you hit when medivacs are just coming out mass roach will easily overpower the healing. It takes a heavy committal and is shit for dealing with drops, but if a terran doesn't see it coming it is brutally effective. Game 2 was a perfect illustration. The timing window is narrow but it's there.
As long as the terran never gets above 130ish supply you are good. It fucking works!
Imagine if MMA wins WCS EU (vs nerchio in the final), Innovation wins WCS KR and Scarlett wins WCS NA . Then Acer would live up to being ranked as the number one team. http://aligulac.com/teams/
On September 27 2013 05:26 Musicus wrote: Imagine if MMA wins WCS EU (vs nerchio in the final), Innovation wins WCS KR and Scarlett wins WCS NA . Then Acer would live up to being ranked as the number one team. http://aligulac.com/teams/
On September 27 2013 05:26 Musicus wrote: Imagine if MMA wins WCS EU (vs nerchio in the final), Innovation wins WCS KR and Scarlett wins WCS NA . Then Acer would live up to being ranked as the number one team. http://aligulac.com/teams/
On September 27 2013 05:26 Musicus wrote: Imagine if MMA wins WCS EU (vs nerchio in the final), Innovation wins WCS KR and Scarlett wins WCS NA . Then Acer would live up to being ranked as the number one team. http://aligulac.com/teams/
On September 27 2013 05:26 Musicus wrote: Imagine if MMA wins WCS EU (vs nerchio in the final), Innovation wins WCS KR and Scarlett wins WCS NA . Then Acer would live up to being ranked as the number one team. http://aligulac.com/teams/
On September 27 2013 05:26 Musicus wrote: Imagine if MMA wins WCS EU (vs nerchio in the final), Innovation wins WCS KR and Scarlett wins WCS NA . Then Acer would live up to being ranked as the number one team. http://aligulac.com/teams/
I would throw up if this happens.
I would probably join you in a vomit fest.
I would laugh eternal at your faces
I give you permission to do that if that scenario does come to pass.
On September 27 2013 05:26 Musicus wrote: Imagine if MMA wins WCS EU (vs nerchio in the final), Innovation wins WCS KR and Scarlett wins WCS NA . Then Acer would live up to being ranked as the number one team. http://aligulac.com/teams/
I would throw up if this happens.
I would probably join you in a vomit fest.
You guys... be nice!
Sorry Not a huge Acer fan. I'd be fine with an MMA or Scarlett win! Just not keen on the idea of Innovation winning GSL. And definitely not all at the same time!
On September 27 2013 05:56 andrewlt wrote: Something seems to be missing in this LR thread today. Where are all the people who don't care who advances but complain that the format is terrible?
But the foreigner advanced, so I don't think they mind now.
On September 27 2013 05:56 andrewlt wrote: Something seems to be missing in this LR thread today. Where are all the people who don't care who advances but complain that the format is terrible?
But the foreigner advanced, so I don't think they mind now.
Tbh, this day lacked a rematch win, so nothing to blame format on.
On September 27 2013 05:56 andrewlt wrote: Something seems to be missing in this LR thread today. Where are all the people who don't care who advances but complain that the format is terrible?
But the foreigner advanced, so I don't think they mind now.
But shouldn't half the TL'ers then be whining they are going to quit SC2 (I think I only saw one in this topic, that is really subpar), with the other half blaming jetlag, network cables, food poisoning or whatever, as long as it is not the non-Korean playing better?
On September 27 2013 05:56 andrewlt wrote: Something seems to be missing in this LR thread today. Where are all the people who don't care who advances but complain that the format is terrible?
But the foreigner advanced, so I don't think they mind now.
no one would have blamed the format today if nerchio lost...
On September 27 2013 05:56 andrewlt wrote: Something seems to be missing in this LR thread today. Where are all the people who don't care who advances but complain that the format is terrible?
But the foreigner advanced, so I don't think they mind now.
no one would have blamed the format today if nerchio won...
its completely different to the other days...
The only thing about the format is that it is in reality a bracket with a lower bracket transformed to something resembling a group.
On September 27 2013 05:56 andrewlt wrote: Something seems to be missing in this LR thread today. Where are all the people who don't care who advances but complain that the format is terrible?
But the foreigner advanced, so I don't think they mind now.
no one would have blamed the format today if nerchio won...
its completely different to the other days...
Nerchio did win? I'm confused as to what you are saying. I'm aware that there was no rematch this go around so it isn't exactly like the other groups that caused shitstorms in the LR threads of previous groups.
On September 27 2013 05:56 andrewlt wrote: Something seems to be missing in this LR thread today. Where are all the people who don't care who advances but complain that the format is terrible?
I have nothing to wine about today, since there were no rematches. I would complain, if Showtime would have beaten ForGG in the final match, but since Nerchio and ForGG did´nt play before, there was nothing to complain about, as this group turned out nearly exactly as Round Robin, with only Showtime vs Genius missing, which would´nt have changend anything anyway.
But since you ask so nice: The format is still terrible.
On September 27 2013 05:56 andrewlt wrote: Something seems to be missing in this LR thread today. Where are all the people who don't care who advances but complain that the format is terrible?
But the foreigner advanced, so I don't think they mind now.
no one would have blamed the format today if nerchio won...
its completely different to the other days...
Nerchio did win? I'm confused as to what you are saying. I'm aware that there was no rematch this go around so it isn't exactly like the other groups that caused shitstorms in the LR threads of previous groups.
Atleast that's my prediction, but i should be right, unless ESL decided to randomize it just to screw with me -,-
If MMA doesn't fill one of those last two spots I might cry.
for the sake of Esports, he has to
preferably as nr 1 Best Brackets EU#1
The real interesting thing about your proposed bracket is if MMA gets first and Duckdeok does not advance, then we will have all foreigners on one side of the bracket, and all koreans on the other.
Atleast that's my prediction, but i should be right, unless ESL decided to randomize it just to screw with me -,-
If MMA doesn't fill one of those last two spots I might cry.
for the sake of Esports, he has to
preferably as nr 1 Best Brackets EU#1
The real interesting thing about your proposed bracket is if MMA gets first and Duckdeok does not advance, then we will have all foreigners on one side of the bracket, and all koreans on the other.
Atleast that's my prediction, but i should be right, unless ESL decided to randomize it just to screw with me -,-
I'd LOVE to see a battle for foriegn zerg supremacy vs korean protoss invaders culminating in a sick MC vs --as long as I'm fantasizing-- starbuck finals.
Atleast that's my prediction, but i should be right, unless ESL decided to randomize it just to screw with me -,-
I thought the draws were random?
If you compare how players were seeded in season 1 and 2, you will notice how it matches up with this bracket. So i'm 99% sure this is how it will be
Unless ofc you are right and it will be completely random, but it shouldn't be afaik
It is not completely random, 1st place is matched with 2nd. Group matching is random though and its good, cause people could throw 1st game just to advance from the 2nd place to avoid certain opponents.
Atleast that's my prediction, but i should be right, unless ESL decided to randomize it just to screw with me -,-
If MMA doesn't fill one of those last two spots I might cry.
for the sake of Esports, he has to
preferably as nr 1 Best Brackets EU#1
The real interesting thing about your proposed bracket is if MMA gets first and Duckdeok does not advance, then we will have all foreigners on one side of the bracket, and all koreans on the other.
Yep, as i said = Best Brackets EU
Brackets are random 1st vs. 2nd with the exception that players from the same group cant meet until the finals
EPT![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/shiroiusagi/wcs/wcs_eu_lr.jpg)
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WCS Europe![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6wl40.png)
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ForGG vs 
ShoWTimE![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1894.jpg)
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Nerchio![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png)
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Again, we need more volunteers. Anyone who watches games regularly and types really, really fast has qualifications to become an LRer.
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Best Brackets EU#1
