On September 23 2013 17:24 lichter wrote: With the number of DRG fanboys who suddenly appeared in the preview thread I'm surprised one didn't make the thread and DRGized it
On September 23 2013 18:04 LimitSEA wrote: Really hoping all this talk of DRG being back doesn't come back to bite fans on the ass. God I want him to be the best again.
But is there space for two dongs? I don't think so.
On September 23 2013 18:04 LimitSEA wrote: Really hoping all this talk of DRG being back doesn't come back to bite fans on the ass. God I want him to be the best again.
But is there space for two dongs? I don't think so.
there's always room for at least 2 dongs, don't you watch porn???
On September 23 2013 18:04 LimitSEA wrote: Really hoping all this talk of DRG being back doesn't come back to bite fans on the ass. God I want him to be the best again.
But is there space for two dongs? I don't think so.
On September 23 2013 18:04 LimitSEA wrote: Really hoping all this talk of DRG being back doesn't come back to bite fans on the ass. God I want him to be the best again.
But is there space for two dongs? I don't think so.
there's always room for at least 2 dongs, don't you watch porn???
On September 23 2013 18:01 Kasaraki wrote: Finally Code S again, I was going insane throughout last week. I can't tell you what a joy it is to hear the voice of Tasteless introduce the show!
So much this =p So Sleep was SK's choice in group selection right. Then Sleep picked DRG who picked Dear ?
On September 23 2013 18:04 LimitSEA wrote: Really hoping all this talk of DRG being back doesn't come back to bite fans on the ass. God I want him to be the best again.
But is there space for two dongs? I don't think so.
There's always space for more dongs!
I don't know, I somehow want them to meet in a final and then they just fight to death or something.
On September 23 2013 18:01 Kasaraki wrote: Finally Code S again, I was going insane throughout last week. I can't tell you what a joy it is to hear the voice of Tasteless introduce the show!
So much this =p So Sleep was SK's choice in group selection right. Then Sleep picked DRG who picked Dear ?
On September 23 2013 18:01 Kasaraki wrote: Finally Code S again, I was going insane throughout last week. I can't tell you what a joy it is to hear the voice of Tasteless introduce the show!
So much this =p So Sleep was SK's choice in group selection right. Then Sleep picked DRG who picked Dear ?
On September 23 2013 18:12 JustPassingBy wrote: Ouch, constantly hacking on Sleep because of his poor mechanics. I wonder how many of the foreign players he could school mechanically. :/
On September 23 2013 18:01 Kasaraki wrote: Finally Code S again, I was going insane throughout last week. I can't tell you what a joy it is to hear the voice of Tasteless introduce the show!
So much this =p So Sleep was SK's choice in group selection right. Then Sleep picked DRG who picked Dear ?
Happy birthday buddy ^^
\o/ Making units is a good skill toi have hey Soulkey =D
On September 23 2013 18:01 Kasaraki wrote: Finally Code S again, I was going insane throughout last week. I can't tell you what a joy it is to hear the voice of Tasteless introduce the show!
So much this =p So Sleep was SK's choice in group selection right. Then Sleep picked DRG who picked Dear ?
Happy birthday buddy ^^
\o/ Making units is a good skill toi have hey Soulkey =D
joyeux anniversaire ! (yeah Iknow, I won't post in French anymore)
On September 23 2013 18:29 JustPassingBy wrote: Wtf, how did Soulkey beat the attack down so soundly? Was there even a possibility of the attack to succeed? :o
He killed a ton of reinforcments with a small pack of lings in mid map during the attack, that helped a lot. But the attack came so slow I don't think it was going to work anyway.
On September 23 2013 18:39 Girondelle wrote: SOulkey still teching to infestation pit Either he does not understand the situation or there is something I don't get
Getting the infestation pit only isn't so bad. Getting the pit + glands + 3 infestors is much worst. Soulkey didn't make the same mistake this time.
Wowwww.. Sleep played that pretty well aside from that one bad engagement. Sleep surprised me last round, surprised me again this round beating Soulkey.
On September 23 2013 18:43 SoFrOsTy wrote: Infestors are so bad (so is my interent, buffering during all the good parts) why does he keep making infestors?!?!?!?
You really need to establish your hydras before making those infestors, or it seems there is a large window for your opponent if he's aiming for any sort of timing.
On September 23 2013 18:40 Dodgin wrote: GSL is pretty unpopular these days huh...kinda sad ;_;
just basing this off viewer numbers for season 1 vs season 3 ( gsl vs gsl )
The crowd is pretty good, I don't think there are many online viewers tonight because of the weird day thing and because ther was no GSL for a week. I wouldn't be here if I didn't see it on the upcoming calender on TL, I expected it to start Wednesday.
not sure why he went infestors, especially on a map so open like that. if it was a map where he can force engagements in tighter spots it would been fine but fungals against spread units is laughable. he didn't even try to fungal before sleep spread out o_o;
With infestors only doing 30 damage per fungal and not doing extra to roaches now, it just seems that infestors don't really work well against roaches any more (5 fungals to kill one roach). No idea why SK teched fast infestors.
On September 23 2013 18:43 LimitSEA wrote: Wowwww.. Sleep played that pretty well aside from that one bad engagement. Sleep surprised me last round, surprised me again this round beating Soulkey.
I don't think that was as bad an engagement as Artosis made it out to be. Sleep was saturated on three bases well before Soulkey, and he wanted to extend that advantage by forcing Soulkey to defend while he teched to hydras. The supply count differential remained the same at the end of the fight, so Sleep didn't really sacrifice anything. Sleep did play pretty well
I think sleep gets underrated for his play in the Ro32
sure his creep spread and injects weren't as good as they coulda been, but he was good at other important things like vs. widow mine micro and just getting good engagements
On September 23 2013 18:43 LimitSEA wrote: Wowwww.. Sleep played that pretty well aside from that one bad engagement. Sleep surprised me last round, surprised me again this round beating Soulkey.
I don't think that was as bad an engagement as Artosis made it out to be. Sleep was saturated on three bases well before Soulkey, and he wanted to extend that advantage by forcing Soulkey to defend while he teched to hydras. The supply count differential remained the same at the end of the fight, so Sleep didn't really sacrifice anything. Sleep did play pretty well
Yeah, and he wanted to throw away some supply before getting hydras, it seemed a perfectly equal trade which was good for Sleep.
On September 23 2013 18:47 Waxangel wrote: I think sleep gets underrated for his play in the Ro32
sure his creep spread and injects weren't as good as they coulda been, but he was good at other important things like vs. widow mine micro and just getting good engagements
So Dear...do not lose twice ;_; i can't deal with watching another 2 ZvZs, if he wins and loses then wins/loses we will see more ZvP then ZvZ today which is woop. ZvZ is just silly match up!
On September 23 2013 18:43 JustPassingBy wrote: Hahahahahahahahahahaha, SSSSSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPP!!!
Just hearing the casters discrediting him so much makes me want to root for him! :D
You'd discredit him too if you saw his games in the Ro32. He was so bad. D:
he was bad mechanically but strategically he played well
This. So much this. He's a really clever zerg.
He did the most standard thing in the book. I don't know what's so clever about that. Step 1: scout and go for roach tech Step 2: build up a roach count if no mutas Step 3: force combats with your roaches, because if your opponent has done anything that is not mass roaches you just win (g1) Step 4: repeat step 3 with roach/hydra (g3) Step 5: repeat step 3 with roach/hydra/infestor
Edit: well, it's actually clever to play standard.
On September 23 2013 18:43 JustPassingBy wrote: Hahahahahahahahahahaha, SSSSSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPP!!!
Just hearing the casters discrediting him so much makes me want to root for him! :D
You'd discredit him too if you saw his games in the Ro32. He was so bad. D:
he was bad mechanically but strategically he played well
This. So much this. He's a really clever zerg.
He did the most standard thing in the book. I don't know what's so clever about that. Step 1: scout and go for roach tech Step 2: build up a roach count if no mutas Step 3: force combats with your roaches, because if your opponent has done anything that is not mass roaches you just win (g1) Step 4: repeat step 3 with roach/hydra (g3) Step 5: repeat step 3 with roach/hydra/infestor
Edit: well, it's actually clever to play standard.
we're talking his ro32 games not the zvz just now lol
I guess Sleep hit a big timing window there, but aren't the Infestors supposed to throw their fungals before the entire army engages to break up the concaves, catch odd units that can then be picked off and hinder advancement of the enemy army?
On September 23 2013 18:40 Dodgin wrote: GSL is pretty unpopular these days huh...kinda sad ;_;
just basing this off viewer numbers for season 1 vs season 3 ( gsl vs gsl )
It feels like this for each WCS region for this season tbh,
NA feels like It's getting half of what it got last season too, dunno what's going on @_@
A lot of comes down to marketing I guess, I didn't even know the qualifiers were on last weekend or that WCS AM even started til the day after, Blizz just needs a couple of interns to spam twitter/reddit/tl for everything.
On September 23 2013 18:40 Dodgin wrote: GSL is pretty unpopular these days huh...kinda sad ;_;
just basing this off viewer numbers for season 1 vs season 3 ( gsl vs gsl )
It feels like this for each WCS region for this season tbh,
NA feels like It's getting half of what it got last season too, dunno what's going on @_@
A lot of comes down to marketing I guess, I didn't even know the qualifiers were on last weekend or that WCS AM even started til the day after, Blizz just needs a couple of interns to spam twitter/reddit/tl for everything.
Apparently there was a lot of chaos with the qualifiers at blizzard/NASL and no one knew wtf was going on
I have a sinking feeling DRG is going to get protoss'd and then barely lose to soulkey in the loser's match, crushing what remains of eSF zerg fan passion.
On September 23 2013 18:56 Dodgin wrote: I have a sinking feeling DRG is going to get protoss'd and then barely lose to soulkey in the loser's match, crushing what remains of eSF zerg fan passion.
On September 23 2013 18:58 Waxangel wrote: purple vs blue, top right vs bottom left
is thsi fucknig league of legends?
Hahaha, XD oh Wax!
This is different opening timing wise from Dear or is it just my eyes playing tricks? Seemed to be nexus forge pretty much same time, into gate and pylon at the same sort of time? Gasses tiny bit later? but tech up quicker? Well not tech but the wall tech?
On September 23 2013 19:02 Heartland wrote: I wonder if Oracles can take a bigger role as anti-speedling troops in early game PvZ. Either with the Zealot pushes, or as defensive tools.
the lack of moving shot makes them kinda awful against anything that isn't a queen off creep
On September 23 2013 19:02 Heartland wrote: I wonder if Oracles can take a bigger role as anti-speedling troops in early game PvZ. Either with the Zealot pushes, or as defensive tools.
the lack of moving shot makes them kinda awful against anything that isn't a queen off creep
That's a good point. Maybe just to give the Zealots time to down a hatch or something. Anyway, it's just theory crafting.
On September 23 2013 19:06 LimitSEA wrote: This is a pretty cute attack from DRG. Doin' some damage, keeping pressure off himself so he can take his fourth.
on the other hand It's protoss with +3 attack who is ahead in supply
On September 23 2013 19:06 LimitSEA wrote: This is a pretty cute attack from DRG. Doin' some damage, keeping pressure off himself so he can take his fourth.
on the other hand It's protoss with +3 attack who is ahead in supply
On September 23 2013 19:08 ZAiNs wrote: Artosis: 'This is almost a perfect game by Dear except for that huge mistake when he pushed out and lost like 10 Sentries for nothing.'
On September 23 2013 18:56 Dodgin wrote: I have a sinking feeling DRG is going to get protoss'd and then barely lose to soulkey in the loser's match, crushing what remains of eSF zerg fan passion.
The way he played must have been geared for defence somehow, using Blink defensively until he could tech. Or do you think he was looking for an opening before he was that high up in supply?
Oh, I forgot, though. Dear totally took a super greedy third there when speedling potential was out on the map to keep that down - DRG just didn't scout it! I couldn't believe he missed that
I just think it's not a case of Dear being world class or anything mega special, it's just he has learnt how to play Protoss. I personally think KESPA protoss right now play the way you should play protoss. Dear sOs just prime examples, you could also add in JangBi when he was doing well before he retired, his ZvP was always nice. In PvProleague whenever it was PvZ was a free win for the above 3 toss lol. Even Bisu got wins!
On September 23 2013 19:13 Pandemona wrote: I just think it's not a case of Dear being world class or anything mega special, it's just he has learnt how to play Protoss. I personally think KESPA protoss right now play the way you should play protoss. Dear sOs just prime examples, you could also add in JangBi when he was doing well before he retired, his ZvP was always nice. In PvProleague whenever it was PvZ was a free win for the above 3 toss lol. Even Bisu got wins!
On September 23 2013 19:13 Pandemona wrote: I just think it's not a case of Dear being world class or anything mega special, it's just he has learnt how to play Protoss. I personally think KESPA protoss right now play the way you should play protoss. Dear sOs just prime examples, you could also add in JangBi when he was doing well before he retired, his ZvP was always nice. In PvProleague whenever it was PvZ was a free win for the above 3 toss lol. Even Bisu got wins!
Dear is ESF! ^^
LOL, yeah now he is ;_; but he wasn't. He is still KESPA to me ;_;
I would of preferred Dear to attack instead of take the third then to be honest, forcing early Hydra is good due to his Phoenix pressure, they would of been pretty naked from colli lasers
DRG got to play his A game and Executed nearly perfectly
Nothing beats seeing that engagement develop with the lings and you realize ... the stalkers are dying to lings and phoenix to muta/corruptor and there's nothing Dear can do.
I agree with the tosis, I don't like how he engaged at his third. With Dear supply blocked, DongRaeGu is the only one getting a bigger army at that moment.
Maybe it was because he didn't have the rocks down, so he couldn't bring his units/drones back from his third to his natural.
i think drg wanted to avoid a adirect engagement at his third because honestly the terrain around there for 2 base all ins in pvz is just bullshit to deal with - every zerg knows about it by now. i could see drg holding by not countering, but probably not on this map - dear was going to exploit that third terrain
I think Dear advancing in a group full of zergs is not surprising. Sleep winning another zvz doesn't seem unlikely either. Getting more and more convinced that those two will advance.
On September 23 2013 19:39 fishb00n wrote: Monsters that level up when u level up... this has never been a good thing :/
Skyrim or predecessors disagree.
Well, that has always been one of the most annoying things about the Elder Scrolls series... Anytime you don't go for a Fighter/Combat Mage character, the game becomes unplayable later on because being the greates thief/crafter/alchemist/archer in the game doesn't kill monsters that are made for fighting people who have 100 on heavy armor/swordmanship/destruction spell at level 10.
On September 23 2013 19:39 fishb00n wrote: Monsters that level up when u level up... this has never been a good thing :/
Skyrim or predecessors disagree.
It was by far the most irritating and stupid thing in Oblivion...there's a reason Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul was popular.
Skyrim doesn't do it anywhere near as bad as Oblivion did. Oblivion was basically unplayable if you levelled up and went anything other than straight up warrior.
On September 23 2013 20:09 artrea wrote: For some reason this game feels like a bunch of fails
Yeah, Dear playing extremely slopping. After watching San play a beautiful game against swarm host style on this map earlier today, this game looks so shitty.
The Throw was stronger on the Sleep's side. ;D Still really awesome game for watching, reminds me on BW with both players being all over the map. Great play by Sleep from the start although he did throw way too many Brood Lords.
I don't actually understand the lack of mothership core. I don't even see how you can lose games as protoss if you can always commit to killing any base and still defend.
Whoa, just turned in the LR from work to see how DRG and SK are doing - one of them out at least. Whoa, wish I could see their ZvZ, but I guess Soulkey is favored?
On September 23 2013 20:27 HystericaLaughter wrote: Oh wow, just tuned in to what I assumed was the losers' series and it was the winners series! Dear must be playing really well today
Well, his group was all zerg, so he only had to practice that match up, while everyone else was probably spending most of their time playing ZvZ
On September 23 2013 20:18 Wintex wrote: I hope sleep advances. He has good ideas and zvz is good for him.
you're probably rooting for sniper as well
I don't root for him, but he is a good player. Sniper can achieve Code S.
Only if his opponents in Code A are Life, Bomber and Sora
1. Won't happen. 2. No. 3. go away.
We need Sniper to win another GSL beating newer fan favorites this time, but at the end when he gets out of the booth he bursts out into tears and goes to hug his mother, instant redemption.
On September 23 2013 20:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: So they basically did the same build except DRG went 3rd before spire and soulkey made a round of lings -> spire -> third and killed DRG. Yay ZvZ
His own fault if he goes mutas. Play a more solid style and you won't have to gg just because you are a tiny bit behind.
Yeah i'd agree with that too. Just because the fact that you could hold ling bane all in by a shite player if you were mechanically better etc, and also if you put the RW down at the right time your so far ahead xD
On September 23 2013 21:02 Wintex wrote: This song is about how insecure teenage girls feel when they get bombarded by the ideals that have been placed by photoshop. Or something.
Edit: In My Head - Cliver Feat. Bumblefoot
Cheers mate!
I don't like it because of the lyrics, but that guitar solo is absolutely sweet.
On September 23 2013 21:02 Wintex wrote: This song is about how insecure teenage girls feel when they get bombarded by the ideals that have been placed by photoshop. Or something.
Edit: In My Head - Cliver Feat. Bumblefoot
Cheers mate!
I don't like it because of the lyrics, but that guitar solo is absolutely sweet.
On September 23 2013 21:02 Wintex wrote: This song is about how insecure teenage girls feel when they get bombarded by the ideals that have been placed by photoshop. Or something.
Edit: In My Head - Cliver Feat. Bumblefoot
Cheers mate!
I don't like it because of the lyrics, but that guitar solo is absolutely sweet.
On September 23 2013 21:10 mikedebo wrote: "He looked like the kind of nerd who would have a pet rat."
Which one said that and for whom? :D
Tasteless had a fellow student in class who had narcolepsy and knitted to stay awake, apparantly Tasteless didn't realise this until someone told him, despite said student sleeping in class at least once. :p Then Artosis asked what type of student he was, jock, goth, nerd, etc.
On September 23 2013 21:10 mikedebo wrote: "He looked like the kind of nerd who would have a pet rat."
Which one said that and for whom? :D
Tasteless had a fellow student in class who had narcolepsy and knitted to stay awake, apparantly Tasteless didn't realise this until someone told him, despite said student sleeping in class at least once. :p Then Artosis asked what type of student he was, jock, goth, nerd, etc.
We should make a nerd compilation of Tastosis, they really use that word often. And I like it!
On September 23 2013 21:32 padiseal2 wrote: If Sleep wins this game he's gonna win Code S
nope.
Yes, it is not really likely for Inno to get out of his group, cause TvT and Super knows how to PvT.
Yes that is true, but surely any Terran >>> Sleep? I mean Dear beat him pretty comfortably, he has practiced his ZvZ well though, and looks pretty good with it, but this isn't WOL xD
On September 23 2013 21:32 padiseal2 wrote: If Sleep wins this game he's gonna win Code S
nope.
Yes, it is not really likely for Inno to get out of his group, cause TvT and Super knows how to PvT.
Yes that is true, but surely any Terran >>> Sleep? I mean Dear beat him pretty comfortably, he has practiced his ZvZ well though, and looks pretty good with it, but this isn't WOL xD
Not really, Sleep got out of group with 3 terrans. And we have already seen players in GSL derp hard (look at season Soulkey won, for one).
On September 23 2013 21:32 padiseal2 wrote: If Sleep wins this game he's gonna win Code S
nope.
Yes, it is not really likely for Inno to get out of his group, cause TvT and Super knows how to PvT.
Yes that is true, but surely any Terran >>> Sleep? I mean Dear beat him pretty comfortably, he has practiced his ZvZ well though, and looks pretty good with it, but this isn't WOL xD
Not really, Sleep got out of group with 3 terrans. And we have already seen players in GSL derp hard (look at season Soulkey won, for one).
No Sleep was in a group with 1 terran and 2 code B players ;_;
On September 23 2013 21:32 padiseal2 wrote: If Sleep wins this game he's gonna win Code S
nope.
Yes, it is not really likely for Inno to get out of his group, cause TvT and Super knows how to PvT.
Yes that is true, but surely any Terran >>> Sleep? I mean Dear beat him pretty comfortably, he has practiced his ZvZ well though, and looks pretty good with it, but this isn't WOL xD
Not really, Sleep got out of group with 3 terrans. And we have already seen players in GSL derp hard (look at season Soulkey won, for one).
No Sleep was in a group with 1 terran and 2 code B players ;_;
He managed to defeat the reincarnation of Ensnare. That has to count for something. He's basically a hero
On September 23 2013 21:32 padiseal2 wrote: If Sleep wins this game he's gonna win Code S
nope.
Yes, it is not really likely for Inno to get out of his group, cause TvT and Super knows how to PvT.
Maru is too strong. Going back to back
has there ever been a back to back GSL champ? i don't think so, right?
(although technically Maru is not a GSL champ, but you know what i mean).
No, there only were back-to-back Code S champs.
Yeah, NesTea did back to back Code S, but the Super Tournament happened in-between the two. Also Maru isn't a GSL champion. :p You'd have to say Starleague champion instead I guess.
On September 23 2013 21:32 padiseal2 wrote: If Sleep wins this game he's gonna win Code S
nope.
Yes, it is not really likely for Inno to get out of his group, cause TvT and Super knows how to PvT.
Maru is too strong. Going back to back
has there ever been a back to back GSL champ? i don't think so, right?
(although technically Maru is not a GSL champ, but you know what i mean).
No, there only were back-to-back Code S champs.
wait what? that's the same thing?
Nestea won back-to-back Code S, but Polt won Super tournament between those.
oh yeah, right. i remember that actually. good memory bro. god i miss the era when Mvp and Nestea were just straight up better than everyone
Thats when I started watching SC2, the week after Polt's victory. Instantly became a fan of them both...then NesTea won the July GSL, MVP won the next, and then they had that epic shit at Blizzcon. Dat time.
On September 23 2013 21:32 padiseal2 wrote: If Sleep wins this game he's gonna win Code S
nope.
Yes, it is not really likely for Inno to get out of his group, cause TvT and Super knows how to PvT.
Maru is too strong. Going back to back
has there ever been a back to back GSL champ? i don't think so, right?
(although technically Maru is not a GSL champ, but you know what i mean).
No, there only were back-to-back Code S champs.
wait what? that's the same thing?
Nestea won back-to-back Code S, but Polt won Super tournament between those.
oh yeah, right. i remember that actually. good memory bro. god i miss the era when Mvp and Nestea were just straight up better than everyone
Thats when I started watching SC2, the week after Polt's victory. Instantly became a fan of them both...then NesTea won the July GSL, MVP won the next, and then they had that epic shit at Blizzcon. Dat time.
Yes, it is not really likely for Inno to get out of his group, cause TvT and Super knows how to PvT.
Maru is too strong. Going back to back
has there ever been a back to back GSL champ? i don't think so, right?
(although technically Maru is not a GSL champ, but you know what i mean).
No, there only were back-to-back Code S champs.
wait what? that's the same thing?
Nestea won back-to-back Code S, but Polt won Super tournament between those.
oh yeah, right. i remember that actually. good memory bro. god i miss the era when Mvp and Nestea were just straight up better than everyone
Thats when I started watching SC2, the week after Polt's victory. Instantly became a fan of them both...then NesTea won the July GSL, MVP won the next, and then they had that epic shit at Blizzcon. Dat time.
And then they nerfed ghosts
And introduced Swarm Hosts. Brb learning korean to say Soulkey to never ever go straight roaches.
On September 23 2013 18:56 Dodgin wrote: I have a sinking feeling DRG is going to get protoss'd and then barely lose to soulkey in the loser's match, crushing what remains of eSF zerg fan passion.
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
Didn't know DRG was kespa
well, now you know. team MVP joined Kespa a few weeks ago.
i just made that post to point out how ridiculous the whole esF vs Kespa thing is when nobody even knows who's what and what difference it really makes at this point.
On September 24 2013 07:11 Whatson wrote: Hmmm what was it all those DRG fans said a few weeks ago? Form is temporary, but class is forever, or something like that?
Well they're kind of still right. DRG is very old relative to a lot of others in this scene and he already proved he's at least still relevant this season even if he didn't make it out of this group (barely btw).
also lawl @ people still carrying on with this eSF vs Kespa crap. That's so 2 months ago.
On September 24 2013 07:11 Whatson wrote: Hmmm what was it all those DRG fans said a few weeks ago? Form is temporary, but class is forever, or something like that?
What's better is that some DRG fans immediately jumped on Mvp, MMA, MKP, Leenock etc saying they will never regain their code S level (i.e. class is forever only applies to DRG). Now DRG is out and we just saw MMA with top class TvT and TvP in DH.
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
Didn't know DRG was kespa
well, now you know. team MVP joined Kespa a few weeks ago.
i just made that post to point out how ridiculous the whole esF vs Kespa thing is when nobody even knows who's what and what difference it really makes at this point.
in the past 3 months, who have been their practice partners (especilly applicable if in a team house) and coaches
unless soul signs new players they'd still effectively be a kespa trained, kespa coached team. same with esF in kespa.
same standard would have applied to ogs-tl house type of thing (eg jinro pretty much 100% just a korean-trained terran). or eg-tl in kespa pretty much not being kespa.
edit: if a professional sports team moved cities but had the same players, coaching staff, but shifted conferences/divisions to play different opponents, they're very obviously the same team.
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
Didn't know DRG was kespa
well, now you know. team MVP joined Kespa a few weeks ago.
i just made that post to point out how ridiculous the whole esF vs Kespa thing is when nobody even knows who's what and what difference it really makes at this point.
On September 24 2013 07:11 Whatson wrote: Hmmm what was it all those DRG fans said a few weeks ago? Form is temporary, but class is forever, or something like that?
gotta say you act like a bit of a prick fairly often with this fan/player bashing
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
this kespa vs esf thing becomes truly pointless if we're considering current affiliations. either original kespa players vs original esf players, or drop it altogether
On September 24 2013 07:11 Whatson wrote: Hmmm what was it all those DRG fans said a few weeks ago? Form is temporary, but class is forever, or something like that?
gotta say you act like a bit of a prick fairly often with this fan/player bashing
He was teasing DRG's fans, nothing wrong with that.
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
this kespa vs esf thing becomes truly pointless if we're considering current affiliations. either original kespa players vs original esf players, or drop it altogether
Many have dropped it already, but the "anti 'kespa fanboys'" are still enjoying making fun of it.
On September 24 2013 07:11 Whatson wrote: Hmmm what was it all those DRG fans said a few weeks ago? Form is temporary, but class is forever, or something like that?
gotta say you act like a bit of a prick fairly often with this fan/player bashing
He was teasing DRG's fans, nothing wrong with that.
he does it quite often, plus it's not cool to take down fans after their favourites lose anyway
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
this kespa vs esf thing becomes truly pointless if we're considering current affiliations. either original kespa players vs original esf players, or drop it altogether
which kinda proves it was all about bw elitism anyway and not the organisations themselves
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
Didn't know DRG was kespa
well, now you know. team MVP joined Kespa a few weeks ago.
i just made that post to point out how ridiculous the whole esF vs Kespa thing is when nobody even knows who's what and what difference it really makes at this point.
That is not remotely confirmed.
wait it's not? whenever i see an sc2 rumor that doesn't sound completely ridiculous i automatically assume it's true because it almost always is...
hi i am presently in seoul and i would really like to see a round of the tournement live in one of the e sport stadium here but i can not find any scheduel of those stadium. were do they hold thos event in yongsan stadium or not ????? plz help me on this one i dont talk or read korean so it is hard to find information on this. thanks
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
this kespa vs esf thing becomes truly pointless if we're considering current affiliations. either original kespa players vs original esf players, or drop it altogether
which kinda proves it was all about bw elitism anyway and not the organisations themselves
it's the entire deal, the whole scene. people who followed broodwar unconditionally naturally have a strong attachment to former broodwar players and would root for them, especially against former broodwar players who didn't have much success in that scene. in my eyes, it's more favoritism than elitism.
On September 24 2013 19:56 rronnyy wrote: hi i am presently in seoul and i would really like to see a round of the tournement live in one of the e sport stadium here but i can not find any scheduel of those stadium. were do they hold thos event in yongsan stadium or not ????? plz help me on this one i dont talk or read korean so it is hard to find information on this. thanks
If you're talking about WCS Korea Code S, when they're having matches it should be in their new Gangnam studio. You can Google for GomTV and Gangnam studio or see if it's listed somewhere on GomTV.net. You can also try tweeting @GomTV or @Khaldor or @Proxywolf (two of the GomTV English casters) and maybe they'll respond to any questions, too :p
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
this kespa vs esf thing becomes truly pointless if we're considering current affiliations. either original kespa players vs original esf players, or drop it altogether
which kinda proves it was all about bw elitism anyway and not the organisations themselves
it's the entire deal, the whole scene. people who followed broodwar unconditionally naturally have a strong attachment to former broodwar players and would root for them, especially against former broodwar players who didn't have much success in that scene. in my eyes, it's more favoritism than elitism.
Pretty much, the organisations were just a convenient label at the time. I can't believe opterown's still going on about elitists when their fandom is just as legitimate as his own.
Also enjoyed the result.
On September 23 2013 12:32 Scarecrow wrote: Dear is going to top this group, SK second
On September 25 2013 13:10 Dodgin wrote: don't tell opterown what to do, smacking down kespa elitists is his last tie to sc2 now that MKP has dropped off the face of the earth.
He needs to go for WCS EU soon (so is DRG, Leenock ... players that has lots of fans). The level of the region currently is way too low.
On September 23 2013 10:42 painkilla wrote: Dear has this easy I think. This guy is a beast. Then maybe SK.
Pretty easy group to predict. Looks like esf has stronger terrans but their protosses and zergs look weak, except for Super.
considering Dear advanced in first place and Sleep almost made it out and the other two players in this group were Kespa players, esF ain't doing too badly imo.
this kespa vs esf thing becomes truly pointless if we're considering current affiliations. either original kespa players vs original esf players, or drop it altogether
which kinda proves it was all about bw elitism anyway and not the organisations themselves
it's the entire deal, the whole scene. people who followed broodwar unconditionally naturally have a strong attachment to former broodwar players and would root for them, especially against former broodwar players who didn't have much success in that scene. in my eyes, it's more favoritism than elitism.
Pretty much, the organisations were just a convenient label at the time. I can't believe opterown's still going on about elitists when their fandom is just as legitimate as his own.
On September 23 2013 12:32 Scarecrow wrote: Dear is going to top this group, SK second
Favoritism = "I want these players to win because I'm really attached to them due to following them for so long!"
Elitism = "I want these players to win because they're superior players. They are more talented and/or practice harder."
Don't pretend that certain BW fans haven't been saying things very similar to the latter.
Fandoms are all equally "legitimate" (whatever that's supposed to mean). However, every fandom has its annoying minority that sullies that fandom's reputation, and for the BW community, that minority are BW elitists. It would have helped the claim that it's favoritism rather than elitism if it the SC2 community didn't have to watch the whole stupid "Wow Kespa is just too far ahead of everyone else now" discussion whenever Kespa players performed well against non-Kespa. Fortunately, that's died down a ton since Bomber and Maru's WCS wins.
EPT
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