★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
6%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
49 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs. Shuttle Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend HasuObs vs. Shuttle Game 2?
★★★- Good game (7)
70%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
10%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs. Shuttle Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend HasuObs vs. Shuttle Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
45%
★★★- Good game (2)
18%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs. Shuttle Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
46%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. Nerchio Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend TitaN vs. Nerchio Game 2?
★★★- Good game (4)
44%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
22%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. Nerchio Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend TitaN vs. Nerchio Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
17%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. Nerchio Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
75%
★★★- Good game (1)
13%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
13%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
55%
★★★- Good game (4)
36%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (6)
50%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
38%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
★★★- Good game (5)
63%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
38%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (3)
33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
22%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
11%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
22%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★★★- Good game (7)
47%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
27%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
40%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
30%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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The more I look at it, the more I think Nerchio was just ahead of widow mines with how much he used roaches in WoL. We'll see if the gods of map selection put Hasu on Whirlwind, we could be here for a while.
On September 13 2013 01:08 Gudge wrote: I'm curious if Nerchio learned something about manner...
Who cares? Its funnier this way
but he actually did, the last few games i saw from him were quite mannered, he played against nani and gg'd twice!!!!!!1111 i mean you can interpret stuff and say he wasn't serious and so on but it's a gg nevertheless
On September 13 2013 01:27 Tsubbi wrote: havent listened closely but do they both not realize hasu has a hidden base for minutes now? ah ok apollo mentions it now
though im cheering for hasu i feel pretty sad for shuttle since he played so well in the beginning, he couldve finished hasu for like 5 minutes easilly but instead he just sat on 3 bases hesitating way too long
On September 13 2013 01:36 scypio wrote: shuttle's macro is rather unimpressive, I fell like half of his rax is inactive most of the time at 30+ minutes into the game.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
6%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
49 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs. Shuttle Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
..Honestly what the fuck Shuttle If you play on that level, there comes a point where you should scout for the hidden base becaue there would be no way to maintain such an army with the economy Hasu had - the hidden base. Also, why the hell stop expanding. He could have taken half of the god damn map.
that game. warp in zealot after zealot and hold that. this is just sad. that was just hilariously bad from hasu almost loosing this with shuttle that has the insane amount of lag.
one of the best games of the season? either it's been a pretty slow season, or people really like watching big mistakes. it was a fun game, but not more than 3 or 4 stars imo.
On September 13 2013 01:39 JustPassingBy wrote: wtf, was that really gg? they were even in army and worker supply and shuttle still had a bazillion medivacs (=expensive units) alive.
On September 13 2013 01:39 BlackCompany wrote: ..Honestly what the fuck Shuttle If you play on that level, there comes a point where you should scout for the hidden base becaue there would be no way to maintain such an army with the economy Hasu had - the hidden base. Also, why the hell stop expanding. He could have taken half of the god damn map.
On September 13 2013 01:36 scypio wrote: shuttle's macro is rather unimpressive, I fell like half of his rax is inactive most of the time at 30+ minutes into the game.
He just has like no rax ^^
actually this helped him extremely, by not spending his bank so fast i feel, he would have had no money faster , after the first BIG fight happened.
Still i feel, that killing so many nexi shouldn't lead to you still winning even if you have only 1 hidden nexus. he killed like what 7 nexi?
On September 13 2013 01:36 scypio wrote: shuttle's macro is rather unimpressive, I fell like half of his rax is inactive most of the time at 30+ minutes into the game.
He just has like no rax ^^
He was at something like nine? Still, they had a ton of downtime, I do expect more from Korean terran players.
On September 13 2013 01:39 HammerKick wrote: Wow...
Okay guys, remember that balance whining is forbidden on LR threads! REMEMBER that...
T_T
this literally had nothing to do with balance (and im probably the guy that got most bans for balance whine on whole tl) all it was shuttle thinking he won but throwing
On September 13 2013 01:39 JustPassingBy wrote: wtf, was that really gg? they were even in army and worker supply and shuttle still had a bazillion medivacs (=expensive units) alive.
the number of bases hasuobs had would have let him win I felt shuttle could have stayed in it longer though. scrappy scrappy game though
Wow. Shuttle ate storms like fruit loops and still pushed through Hasu.
I'm actually staring to think late game PvT is in a good place. Initially, I thought the late game Protoss army was too strong, but over the past few weeks I've changed my mind. Terran has so many opportunities to maximize their army late game, and also to harass. Killing off tons of SCVs, Nukes, Planetary fortresses all over, Hellbats in the composition,and more.
On September 13 2013 01:39 JustPassingBy wrote: wtf, was that really gg? they were even in army and worker supply and shuttle still had a bazillion medivacs (=expensive units) alive.
Hasu had 2 full mining bases, Shuttle had 1
*0 only his bottom base had minerals left and ~3 scv that have been attacked by zealots
On September 13 2013 01:39 Erik.TheRed wrote: one of the best games of the season? either it's been a pretty slow season, or people really like watching big mistakes. it was a fun game, but not more than 3 or 4 stars imo.
On September 13 2013 01:40 -_- wrote: Wow. Shuttle ate storms like fruit loops and still pushed through Hasu.
I'm actually staring to think late game PvT is in a good place. Initially, I thought the late game Protoss army was too strong, but over the past few weeks I've changed my mind. Terran has so many opportunities to maximize their army late game, and also to harass. Killing off tons of SCVs, Nukes, Planetary fortresses all over, Hellbats in the composition,and more.
If you honestly believe that something is wrong. PvT is nowhere a good place.
On September 13 2013 01:40 -_- wrote: Wow. Shuttle ate storms like fruit loops and still pushed through Hasu.
I'm actually staring to think late game PvT is in a good place. Initially, I thought the late game Protoss army was too strong, but over the past few weeks I've changed my mind. Terran has so many opportunities to maximize their army late game, and also to harass. Killing off tons of SCVs, Nukes, Planetary fortresses all over, Hellbats in the composition,and more.
This game looked kinda good in the late game because hasu lost his all-inish collosus attack off two bases. Shuttle went into late game with an actual advantage and then threw it away by not scouting the hidden base and not producing constantly from his rax.
On September 13 2013 01:39 Erik.TheRed wrote: one of the best games of the season? either it's been a pretty slow season, or people really like watching big mistakes. it was a fun game, but not more than 3 or 4 stars imo.
best games for OBS, who cares if it was good played its a star ranking for is it worth to watch and for that it was amazing, who cares mistakes when they make a game more fun
On September 13 2013 01:40 -_- wrote: Wow. Shuttle ate storms like fruit loops and still pushed through Hasu.
I'm actually staring to think late game PvT is in a good place. Initially, I thought the late game Protoss army was too strong, but over the past few weeks I've changed my mind. Terran has so many opportunities to maximize their army late game, and also to harass. Killing off tons of SCVs, Nukes, Planetary fortresses all over, Hellbats in the composition,and more.
If you honestly believe that something is wrong. PvT is nowhere a good place.
terrans .... STOP ... dont start whine thread ! pvt is perfectly nice so just stop here !
On September 13 2013 01:40 Darkhoarse wrote: So I'm getting that the game was entertaining by the events in it but not necessarily by player skill?
I noticed this 2 years ago that the best players are pretty boring because they are to good to avoid back and forth games but not good to not throw the game.
On September 13 2013 01:39 JustPassingBy wrote: wtf, was that really gg? they were even in army and worker supply and shuttle still had a bazillion medivacs (=expensive units) alive.
Hasu had 2 full mining bases, Shuttle had 1
*0 only his bottom base had minerals left and ~3 scv that have been attacked by zealots
I counted the top base as 0.5 and the bottom base as 0.5
On September 13 2013 01:39 Erik.TheRed wrote: one of the best games of the season? either it's been a pretty slow season, or people really like watching big mistakes. it was a fun game, but not more than 3 or 4 stars imo.
The perfect micro/macro games end fast with 1 player owning other. Sometimes sloppy back and fourth games are more interesting to watch also wtf Hasu played well in this game, great comeback, but still it was big mistake by Shuttle
On September 13 2013 01:39 HammerKick wrote: Wow...
Okay guys, remember that balance whining is forbidden on LR threads! REMEMBER that...
T_T
what is there to balance whine about? dont miss hidden expansions... thats a misstake nothing else
More like Storms imba... It's near impossible to break a Protoss deathball imo. TvP. Win in 15 minutes or die trying.
we already heard that, you have to come up with something new
i really hope mod make this thread "whine = ban" again, to many people doesnt learn it
Well I only caught the final 15 minutes of the game. Weren't they on the same amount of expos? It's just that Shuttle mined out quicker because of Mules, which allowed him to eat the storms and replace his army. Then it didn't work anymore because of the clutch micro by Hasu at the end.
On September 13 2013 01:39 Erik.TheRed wrote: one of the best games of the season? either it's been a pretty slow season, or people really like watching big mistakes. it was a fun game, but not more than 3 or 4 stars imo.
best games for OBS, who cares if it was good played its a star ranking for is it worth to watch and for that it was amazing, who cares mistakes when they make a game more fun
On September 13 2013 01:40 -_- wrote: Wow. Shuttle ate storms like fruit loops and still pushed through Hasu.
I'm actually staring to think late game PvT is in a good place. Initially, I thought the late game Protoss army was too strong, but over the past few weeks I've changed my mind. Terran has so many opportunities to maximize their army late game, and also to harass. Killing off tons of SCVs, Nukes, Planetary fortresses all over, Hellbats in the composition,and more.
If you honestly believe that something is wrong. PvT is nowhere a good place.
terrans .... STOP ... dont start whine thread ! pvt is perfectly nice so just stop here !
it's okay to say stop but to add : pvt is perfectly nice is not okay.
On September 13 2013 01:39 Erik.TheRed wrote: one of the best games of the season? either it's been a pretty slow season, or people really like watching big mistakes. it was a fun game, but not more than 3 or 4 stars imo.
best games for OBS, who cares if it was good played its a star ranking for is it worth to watch and for that it was amazing, who cares mistakes when they make a game more fun
On September 13 2013 01:43 AyaaLa wrote:
On September 13 2013 01:40 -_- wrote: Wow. Shuttle ate storms like fruit loops and still pushed through Hasu.
I'm actually staring to think late game PvT is in a good place. Initially, I thought the late game Protoss army was too strong, but over the past few weeks I've changed my mind. Terran has so many opportunities to maximize their army late game, and also to harass. Killing off tons of SCVs, Nukes, Planetary fortresses all over, Hellbats in the composition,and more.
If you honestly believe that something is wrong. PvT is nowhere a good place.
terrans .... STOP ... dont start whine thread ! pvt is perfectly nice so just stop here !
it's okay to say stop but to add : pvt is perfectly nhice is not okay.
... dude rly ? every matchup is nice its every month switching from 45-55 % over and over again, and you guys scream the second you are at 49% its so unbelievable anoying, its like terrans say tvp is fine by 60% winratio and second its 49% the threads pops up ... sometimes this race stronger 2 weeks sometimes this is stronger 2 weeks why you guys just not wanna understand ? why you all wanna flame and whine and ... meh just god damn stop that and watch this AMAZING game even with 40% winratio in the BIG tournaments terrans still able finish WAAAY ahead of the protoss so god damn stop and start love the game for what it is, an amazing balanced game (not perfect but thats not possible it will switch every goddamn week)
I'm not entirely sure how Shuttle ended up 20 supply behind when Hasu went Stargate->Oracle->Phoenixes->Twilight->Charge->Archives->Storm->Double Forge.
On September 13 2013 01:39 Erik.TheRed wrote: one of the best games of the season? either it's been a pretty slow season, or people really like watching big mistakes. it was a fun game, but not more than 3 or 4 stars imo.
best games for OBS, who cares if it was good played its a star ranking for is it worth to watch and for that it was amazing, who cares mistakes when they make a game more fun
On September 13 2013 01:43 AyaaLa wrote:
On September 13 2013 01:40 -_- wrote: Wow. Shuttle ate storms like fruit loops and still pushed through Hasu.
I'm actually staring to think late game PvT is in a good place. Initially, I thought the late game Protoss army was too strong, but over the past few weeks I've changed my mind. Terran has so many opportunities to maximize their army late game, and also to harass. Killing off tons of SCVs, Nukes, Planetary fortresses all over, Hellbats in the composition,and more.
If you honestly believe that something is wrong. PvT is nowhere a good place.
terrans .... STOP ... dont start whine thread ! pvt is perfectly nice so just stop here !
it's okay to say stop but to add : pvt is perfectly nhice is not okay.
... dude rly ? every matchup is nice its every month switching from 45-55 % over and over again, and you guys scream the second you are at 49% its so unbelievable anoying, its like terrans say tvp is fine by 60% winratio and second its 49% the threads pops up ... sometimes this race stronger 2 weeks sometimes this is stronger 2 weeks why you guys just not wanna understand ? why you all wanna flame and whine and ... meh just god damn stop that and watch this AMAZING game even with 40% winratio in the BIG tournaments terrans still able finish WAAAY ahead of the protoss so god damn stop and start love the game for what it is, an amazing balanced game (not perfect but thats not possible it will switch every goddamn week)
I don't think people complain about the win rates, but in the way the games are played out. Basically they find it boring.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
10%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs. Shuttle Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend HasuObs vs. Shuttle Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
45%
★★★- Good game (2)
18%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend HasuObs vs. Shuttle Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 13 2013 01:57 Undead1993 wrote: shuttle's ghost micro is horrific
Well he is cross server.
yes, but still macseds ffs are ridiculous cross server, and he could have gone for some cheeses like the kr tosses did. like this he won't win against any toss who can spread templars.
On September 13 2013 01:57 Undead1993 wrote: shuttle's ghost micro is horrific
Well he is cross server.
yes, but still macseds ffs are ridiculous cross server, and he could have gone for some cheeses like the kr tosses did. like this he won't win against any toss who can spread templars.
Eh I don't find Macsed to be particularly special but I agree he needs to try to get to the live portion without playing long games, especially against Protoss.
On September 13 2013 02:07 Silvanel wrote: No...why?
I guess I tuned out when shuttle won that huge late game battle, and hasu was defending his main's choke with 2 colli, and shuttle killed one of them, and I thought game over. I just told myself he won, weird.
On September 13 2013 02:10 unigolyn wrote: WCS might want to cut down on the number of observers in games, have one dedicated observer, then add commentary on top of that.
And then have way worse commentary since they can't look around for themselves?
Problem here was that the admin seems to be sleeping, it was the french observer lagging. He should leave and fix his lag before the next game.
On September 13 2013 02:10 unigolyn wrote: WCS might want to cut down on the number of observers in games, have one dedicated observer, then add commentary on top of that.
While it would certainly be a good thing, it would make production rather tough, since they would have to stream the observed to essentially re-streamers. Especially considering that different casters want to have different information.
On September 13 2013 02:10 unigolyn wrote: WCS might want to cut down on the number of observers in games, have one dedicated observer, then add commentary on top of that.
While it would certainly be a good thing, it would make production rather tough, since they would have to stream the observed to essentially re-streamers. Especially considering that different casters want to have different information.
If the observer is good, it would improve the commentary if anything. Look at GSL as an example.
On September 13 2013 02:10 unigolyn wrote: WCS might want to cut down on the number of observers in games, have one dedicated observer, then add commentary on top of that.
While it would certainly be a good thing, it would make production rather tough, since they would have to stream the observed to essentially re-streamers. Especially considering that different casters want to have different information.
If the observer is good, it would improve the commentary if anything. Look at GSL as an example.
Weird that I haven't heard a single commentator mention how all the new maps favour Blink for Protoss. Less relevant in PvT and PvZ, but in PvP it's a big thing.
On September 13 2013 02:10 unigolyn wrote: WCS might want to cut down on the number of observers in games, have one dedicated observer, then add commentary on top of that.
While it would certainly be a good thing, it would make production rather tough, since they would have to stream the observed to essentially re-streamers. Especially considering that different casters want to have different information.
If the observer is good, it would improve the commentary if anything. Look at GSL as an example.
On September 13 2013 02:10 unigolyn wrote: WCS might want to cut down on the number of observers in games, have one dedicated observer, then add commentary on top of that.
While it would certainly be a good thing, it would make production rather tough, since they would have to stream the observed to essentially re-streamers. Especially considering that different casters want to have different information.
If the observer is good, it would improve the commentary if anything. Look at GSL as an example.
You would get better commentary if casters can't see for themselves? I seriously doubt so.
Having a dedicated observer per (set of) caster(s) certainly is useful, I think the english stream also has that. But only a dedicated observer for all casters without them having access to the game is not positive.
On September 13 2013 02:10 unigolyn wrote: WCS might want to cut down on the number of observers in games, have one dedicated observer, then add commentary on top of that.
While it would certainly be a good thing, it would make production rather tough, since they would have to stream the observed to essentially re-streamers. Especially considering that different casters want to have different information.
If the observer is good, it would improve the commentary if anything. Look at GSL as an example.
You would get better commentary if casters can't see for themselves? I seriously doubt so.
Having a dedicated observer per (set of) caster(s) certainly is useful, I think the english stream also has that. But only a dedicated observer for all casters without them having access to the game is not positive.
Seriously, a good observer will do 10x better than a caster who is trying to talk at the same time. Casters miss a lot more stuff if they're controlling the game themselves.
On September 13 2013 02:10 unigolyn wrote: WCS might want to cut down on the number of observers in games, have one dedicated observer, then add commentary on top of that.
While it would certainly be a good thing, it would make production rather tough, since they would have to stream the observed to essentially re-streamers. Especially considering that different casters want to have different information.
If the observer is good, it would improve the commentary if anything. Look at GSL as an example.
You would get better commentary if casters can't see for themselves? I seriously doubt so.
Having a dedicated observer per (set of) caster(s) certainly is useful, I think the english stream also has that. But only a dedicated observer for all casters without them having access to the game is not positive.
Seriously, a good observer will do 10x better than a caster who is trying to talk at the same time. Casters miss a lot more stuff if they're controlling the game themselves.
Ever thought that pretty much each of those 5+ casters wants to know his own thing? 1 good observer won't cut it for 10 commentators without their own observer in-game.
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Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. Nerchio Game 1?
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Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. Nerchio Game 2?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
17%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TitaN vs. Nerchio Game 3?
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On September 13 2013 02:54 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'm confused at how Titan won that
Wasn't it because the Zealot attack stopped Nerchio from droning up on the third, and then when he wanted to transition into Hydras the all-in hit just moments before he'd get up his big clump of hydras?
On September 13 2013 02:54 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'm confused at how Titan won that
traded Larva +Minerals vs Minerals until the Roaches came in and killed a couple of Queens to disturb Larva production. And Hydras murder Gateway units as long as you can fight without Guardian Shield with it thats turned around. Atleast in the 0 upgrade region. And no range on the Hydras. But dunno I thought Titan did pretty good damage with his Zealot start.
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13%
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8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
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Pretty boring group to be honest. Hasu is too stable to fail, Nerchio isnt near his best performance, Shuttle is just not a top korean and Titan is an average protoss.
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Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
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8%
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12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
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On September 13 2013 03:37 leova wrote: wow, i definitely think HasuObs coulda stayed in and actually tried to make a comeback, especially the decider of a best-of-3
no question he was down, but he gave up way too easily
I don't know why, but I never lagged before and now I am living in the Netherlands with a really rapid internet connection and twitch is always lagging ... :/
On September 13 2013 03:48 BlackCompany wrote: Practicing ZvT with Innovation must be the most depressing thing on earth
for a sc2 pro probably the best thing on earth
Well, you are inevitably going to become a lot better at the matchup. But you probably have to survive going like 3-17 in your first 20 games without thinking "fuck this, im gonna go studying/get another job"
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8%
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Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
38%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
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8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
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33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
22%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
11%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
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On September 13 2013 03:48 BlackCompany wrote: Practicing ZvT with Innovation must be the most depressing thing on earth
for a sc2 pro probably the best thing on earth
Well, you are inevitably going to become a lot better at the matchup. But you probably have to survive going like 3-17 in your first 20 games without thinking "fuck this, im gonna go studying/get another job"
"We lost so much we forgot how to win" Hoejja on practicing on flash (Can't remember the exact quote it was along those lines)
On September 13 2013 03:48 BlackCompany wrote: Practicing ZvT with Innovation must be the most depressing thing on earth
for a sc2 pro probably the best thing on earth
Well, you are inevitably going to become a lot better at the matchup. But you probably have to survive going like 3-17 in your first 20 games without thinking "fuck this, im gonna go studying/get another job"
"We lost so much we forgot how to win" Hoejja on practicing on flash (Can't remember the exact quote it was along those lines)
Haha, i can imagine having that thoughts when you practice against Flash^^
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Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
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On September 13 2013 04:31 Sandermatt wrote: I wonder why he isn't upgrding the phoenixes, they scale really well with upgrades and he is invested a lot into them.
His money had to go into constant production and he was only mining gas from 1 base for a lot of the time so couldn't afford air attack/armour/shields/range.
On September 13 2013 04:31 Sandermatt wrote: I wonder why he isn't upgrding the phoenixes, they scale really well with upgrades and he is invested a lot into them.
His money had to go into constant production and he was only mining gas from 1 base for a lot of the time so couldn't afford air attack/armour/shields/range.
But usually you do manage to find the time/space to get it when you're under mutalisk attack, even if you're starved. Minerals can always go into cannons to support your bases and slow down the muta ball.
Hmm, the poll choices here have 1star at the top and 5stars at the bottom, but it's the other way round in the GSL threads. It'll be nice if there's some consistency in that
On September 13 2013 04:31 Sandermatt wrote: I wonder why he isn't upgrding the phoenixes, they scale really well with upgrades and he is invested a lot into them.
His money had to go into constant production and he was only mining gas from 1 base for a lot of the time so couldn't afford air attack/armour/shields/range.
But usually you do manage to find the time/space to get it when you're under mutalisk attack, even if you're starved. Minerals can always go into cannons to support your bases and slow down the muta ball.
Nerchio really didn't allow for that time and space, not with all the delay on the 3rd base and the harass in the main and great corruptor control to keep the phoenixes away from the mutas.
On September 13 2013 04:31 Sandermatt wrote: I wonder why he isn't upgrding the phoenixes, they scale really well with upgrades and he is invested a lot into them.
His money had to go into constant production and he was only mining gas from 1 base for a lot of the time so couldn't afford air attack/armour/shields/range.
But usually you do manage to find the time/space to get it when you're under mutalisk attack, even if you're starved. Minerals can always go into cannons to support your bases and slow down the muta ball.
Nerchio really didn't allow for that time and space, not with all the delay on the 3rd base and the harass in the main and great corruptor control to keep the phoenixes away from the mutas.
Over the time it took for Nerchio to finally kill him there was plenty of time to tech. Did he even have a twilight council? Teching is basically one of the few choices you got when you're contained anyway.
On September 13 2013 04:31 Sandermatt wrote: I wonder why he isn't upgrding the phoenixes, they scale really well with upgrades and he is invested a lot into them.
His money had to go into constant production and he was only mining gas from 1 base for a lot of the time so couldn't afford air attack/armour/shields/range.
But usually you do manage to find the time/space to get it when you're under mutalisk attack, even if you're starved. Minerals can always go into cannons to support your bases and slow down the muta ball.
Nerchio really didn't allow for that time and space, not with all the delay on the 3rd base and the harass in the main and great corruptor control to keep the phoenixes away from the mutas.
Over the time it took for Nerchio to finally kill him there was plenty of time to tech. Did he even have a twilight council? Teching is basically one of the few choices you got when you're contained anyway.
He really did not have the gas for it. He was basically constantly at 0 gas due to making phoenix and stalkers (you shouldn't really make many stalkers but Hasu had no choice). If he had saved it to spend on upgrades, he doesn't have enough phoenix for it to matter anyway.
Nerchio stuck him between a rock and a hard place.
On September 13 2013 04:31 Sandermatt wrote: I wonder why he isn't upgrding the phoenixes, they scale really well with upgrades and he is invested a lot into them.
His money had to go into constant production and he was only mining gas from 1 base for a lot of the time so couldn't afford air attack/armour/shields/range.
But usually you do manage to find the time/space to get it when you're under mutalisk attack, even if you're starved. Minerals can always go into cannons to support your bases and slow down the muta ball.
Nerchio really didn't allow for that time and space, not with all the delay on the 3rd base and the harass in the main and great corruptor control to keep the phoenixes away from the mutas.
Over the time it took for Nerchio to finally kill him there was plenty of time to tech. Did he even have a twilight council? Teching is basically one of the few choices you got when you're contained anyway.
He really did not have the gas for it. He was basically constantly at 0 gas due to making phoenix and stalkers (you shouldn't really make many stalkers but Hasu had no choice). If he had saved it to spend on upgrades, he doesn't have enough phoenix for it to matter anyway.
Nerchio stuck him between a rock and a hard place.
Well, obviously you have to cut back on something, such as Stalker production. But I guess I simply disagree with you.
On September 13 2013 04:31 Sandermatt wrote: I wonder why he isn't upgrding the phoenixes, they scale really well with upgrades and he is invested a lot into them.
His money had to go into constant production and he was only mining gas from 1 base for a lot of the time so couldn't afford air attack/armour/shields/range.
But usually you do manage to find the time/space to get it when you're under mutalisk attack, even if you're starved. Minerals can always go into cannons to support your bases and slow down the muta ball.
Nerchio really didn't allow for that time and space, not with all the delay on the 3rd base and the harass in the main and great corruptor control to keep the phoenixes away from the mutas.
Over the time it took for Nerchio to finally kill him there was plenty of time to tech. Did he even have a twilight council? Teching is basically one of the few choices you got when you're contained anyway.
He really did not have the gas for it. He was basically constantly at 0 gas due to making phoenix and stalkers (you shouldn't really make many stalkers but Hasu had no choice). If he had saved it to spend on upgrades, he doesn't have enough phoenix for it to matter anyway.
Nerchio stuck him between a rock and a hard place.
Well, obviously you have to cut back on something, such as Stalker production. But I guess I simply disagree with you.
Cut back and die.
In this game you see Nerchio put a lot less strain on Hasu so Hasu has the money to spend on upgrades.
On September 13 2013 04:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Foreigners should not go phoenix, they dont have the multitasking. Like Hasu, using them only for direct fights.
What would you do? Heavy zerg air like roach maxes looks easer to execute from one side. I'm sure the skill shows up in seeing some sort of all ins and deflecting it. All the management focus though kinda makes it a meh spectacle. I just don't think I like sc2 air or sc2 mutas as a viewer. On the plus side though, better nechio through than Hasu.
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27%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
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Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (4)
40%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
30%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
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I agree that Nerchio is playing great, but I think hes winning so good because it abused Hasu s passive playstyle. They know each other well over the last years.
Payam Toghyan @iamTT1 48s i still dunno what the best comp is vs mutas tt. some ppl go ~12ish phoenixs+void+ chargelot arch and some go mass phoenix + chargelot arch
Gotta agree, this composition is super difficult to deal with.
Really good play from Nerchio does help, either.
Not applying any pressure to Z, what do you expect. lol at you and TT1, people follow him on twitter?
On September 13 2013 04:55 Lambertus wrote: I agree that Nerchio is playing great, but I think hes winning so good because it abused Hasu s passive playstyle. They know each other well over the last years.
Yeah this. Nerchio is abusing Hasuobs since everyone knows how passive he is. Mutas are the perfect comp
You can't just sit back and turtle against zerg. Its bad play no matter what
On September 13 2013 04:55 Lambertus wrote: I agree that Nerchio is playing great, but I think hes winning so good because it abused Hasu s passive playstyle. They know each other well over the last years.
Yeah this. Nerchio is abusing Hasuobs since everyone knows how passive he is. Mutas are the perfect comp
Well, its not like Hasu doesn't know how Nerchio plays does he? He should have applied more pressure on him, but he left him to take 6 full of gas bases and complete map control. He brought this on himself.
Payam Toghyan @iamTT1 48s i still dunno what the best comp is vs mutas tt. some ppl go ~12ish phoenixs+void+ chargelot arch and some go mass phoenix + chargelot arch
Gotta agree, this composition is super difficult to deal with.
Really good play from Nerchio does help, either.
Not applying any pressure to Z, what do you expect. lol at you and TT1, people follow him on twitter?
why shouldn't he follow TT1 on twitter in your opinion?
On September 13 2013 04:54 -y0shi- wrote: As a Protoss, Mutas make me hate this game
protoss design means we have to abuse gimmicks like mass abduct, mass muta and mass swarm host to win reliably :p i don't like it either but roach/hydra and good micro usually doesn't cut it alone
Titan has always been a thorn in Nerchio's side (as well as Fraer). But he came back in good form against Shuttle and Hasu - good job and good luck ahead!
On September 13 2013 05:44 Asterion wrote: So far there hasn't been a single group where the person I was rooting for has advanced... I don't know who to cheer for now, Starbuck??
On September 13 2013 05:44 Asterion wrote: So far there hasn't been a single group where the person I was rooting for has advanced... I don't know who to cheer for now, Starbuck??
Nerchio
You are probably the funniest person on all of TL. Never stop
BabyK, Krass, FireCake and Kas need to advance now and I'll be a happy bunny, happy Nerchio made it through but I prefer Hasuobs to Titan cause his games are usually entertaining.
On September 13 2013 05:44 Asterion wrote: So far there hasn't been a single group where the person I was rooting for has advanced... I don't know who to cheer for now, Starbuck??
EPT
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