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Didn't see a thread for this. Might as well copy and paste this since the games are going on right now.
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yes, he still sucks vs Protoss
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Hyun wrrryyyyyyy?!!
gogo half-man!
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it was some brilliant play by state i must admit. didn't expect him to do well, but root always knows better.
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On September 03 2013 08:00 Yhamm wrote:yes, he still sucks vs Protoss
He didn't play particularly bad, State just had his number strategically. Too bad he doesn't get to show some of that mechanical brilliance vs Arthur...
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Pardon my ignorance. But who is Arthur?
EDIT: Who is this guy? He's destroying State at PvP.
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On September 03 2013 08:16 RifleCow wrote:
Pardon my ignorance. But who is Arthur?
EDIT: Who is this guy? He's destroying State at PvP.
A former SlayerS member.
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On September 03 2013 08:16 RifleCow wrote:
Pardon my ignorance. But who is Arthur?
EDIT: Who is this guy? He's destroying State at PvP.
He was on Slayers back in the day, so your run of the mill solid korean protoss.
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On September 03 2013 08:13 Zackeva wrote:He didn't play particularly bad, State just had his number strategically. Too bad he doesn't get to show some of that mechanical brilliance vs Arthur...
As if mechanical brilliance matters in ZvP... 
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i am curious how arthur makes it through the days without having a team for 2 months now and if he makes it to the ro16, will he be able to come to the US or will he forfeit and so another spot gets lost.
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State way too good for Huyn
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This is like watching a kitten die in a fire ._.
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On September 03 2013 08:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
This is like watching a kitten die in a fire ._.
Is that a hobby of yours?
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Wow, Hyun had the advantage too. State just on another level.
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On September 03 2013 08:38 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
This is like watching a kitten die in a fire ._. Is that a hobby of yours?
It passes the time
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Christ gretorp. Go host a number show, one where you would really be informed. Not the constant "what is.. - no actually, ben, hehe, no ben, hehe its like 43.23, thats point 23 ben. Hehe, yeah. Oh wait no its, maybe you are right"
Better yet, just do some analysis, and quit the math. Or use math to help the analysis, not the other way around.
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On September 03 2013 08:23 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:13 Zackeva wrote:On September 03 2013 08:00 Yhamm wrote:yes, he still sucks vs Protoss He didn't play particularly bad, State just had his number strategically. Too bad he doesn't get to show some of that mechanical brilliance vs Arthur... As if mechanical brilliance matters in ZvP...
Well, the immortal is a mechanical unit, is it not?
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...please, please, please, never talk about math, StarCraft II casters.
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9th grade math is in action.
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Aren't we lucky that SC2 isn't as statistical as poker. I think our casters would all go insane after a week.
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Gretorp so susceptible to trolling...
HERE WE GO AGAIN.
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On September 03 2013 08:43 Erik.TheRed wrote:
Aren't we lucky that SC2 isn't as statistical as poker. I think our casters would all go insane after a week.
Most SC2 players would blow up in two weeks if they tried poker professionnally. There's no balance in poker to explain your losses with.
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Oh my god. "Check out my useless number database Ben".
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"oh yeah you are right!"
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On September 03 2013 08:44 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:43 Erik.TheRed wrote:
Aren't we lucky that SC2 isn't as statistical as poker. I think our casters would all go insane after a week. Most SC2 players would blow up in two weeks if they tried poker professionnally. There's no balance in poker to explain your losses with.
Yeah there is, those aces are so damn OP
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hyun getting raped
I would of liked to see him take more bases earlier, state is being so passive and defensive
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why do i have to pay ? wasn't 720p supposed to be free at WCS ?
Screw that NASL you serious ?
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does anyone even remember the infestor exists?
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On September 03 2013 08:59 a176 wrote:
does anyone even remember the infestor exists?
yeah it's funny how fast they went from the only unit zergs built to never built ever
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On September 03 2013 08:59 a176 wrote:
does anyone even remember the infestor exists?
Hyun used infestors in game 1 of the first set.
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Wow, I was rooting for State just because USA USA, but he played a super gateway-heavy Protoss, and made it kind of work.
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Infinite percent win-rate Gretorp? I think you mean 100% ~_~.
On September 03 2013 08:44 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:43 Erik.TheRed wrote:
Aren't we lucky that SC2 isn't as statistical as poker. I think our casters would all go insane after a week. Most SC2 players would blow up in two weeks if they tried poker professionnally. There's no balance in poker to explain your losses with.
Doesn't stop people from raging in mirrors 
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On September 03 2013 08:57 shid0x wrote:
why do i have to pay ? wasn't 720p supposed to be free at WCS ?
Screw that NASL you serious ?
I just checked to see if 720p worked and it does. Although I can't watch anything above low it didn't show me a paywall. High = 720p and I'm guessing Source = 720p+. I only checked on high.
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I wish someone would tell Gretorp that he's casting a game, not coaching one. His "OHHHH, good, good, NO HE NEEDS TO DO X, NO Y, NO WAIT Z! Okay! Good, now do W!" is starting to aggravate me.
Other than that, I'm really enjoying the show State is giving right now. He's really impressing.
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HyuN to win game three and advance 2-3 :D
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On September 03 2013 09:03 -RusH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:57 shid0x wrote:
why do i have to pay ? wasn't 720p supposed to be free at WCS ?
Screw that NASL you serious ? I just checked to see if 720p worked and it does. Although I can't watch anything above low it didn't show me a paywall. High = 720p and I'm guessing Source = 720p+. I only checked on high.
Ok twitch was being retarded i had ''medium'' and 720p and 720p told me to play.
Now i can click on ''high'' without anything telling me to pay.
That's...weird.
Also 720p bitrate is bad step it up.
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On September 03 2013 09:06 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 09:03 -RusH wrote:On September 03 2013 08:57 shid0x wrote:
why do i have to pay ? wasn't 720p supposed to be free at WCS ?
Screw that NASL you serious ? I just checked to see if 720p worked and it does. Although I can't watch anything above low it didn't show me a paywall. High = 720p and I'm guessing Source = 720p+. I only checked on high. Ok twitch was being retarded i had ''medium'' and 720p and 720p told me to play. Now i can click on ''high'' without anything telling me to pay. That's...weird. Also 720p bitrate is bad step it up.
Is there a reason they're going to this low->medium->high thing?
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I normally dont comment on casters, but getorp is seriously killing this cast. :-/ Stop trying so hard to call out your co-caster. I feel bad for Mr.Bitter, you can tell he is getting really annoyed with it. Especially with the math.
Its cool to hear him say things like how long it takes to get 75 energy, but dont make your co-caster look like a dumbass. These two buttheads too much and i feel like getorp starts it 90% of the time, with my.bitter defending.
Stop talking shit about each other. SC2 your casting, cast it pleease.
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Yea, its starting to get a little bit annoying.
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On September 03 2013 09:11 actionbastrd wrote:
I normally dont comment on casters, but getorp is seriously killing this cast. :-/ Stop trying so hard to call out your co-caster. I feel bad for Mr.Bitter, you can tell he is getting really annoyed with it. Especially with the math.
Its cool to hear him say things like how long it takes to get 75 energy, but dont make your co-caster look like a dumbass. These two buttheads too much and i feel like getorp starts it 90% of the time, with my.bitter defending.
Stop talking shit about each other. SC2 your casting, cast it pleease.
He just went on a 5 minute spiel about how bad Mr. Bitter's ZvT is. I mean, it's more entertaining than watching SC2 openings, but I found it incredibly cringe-y because Mr. Bitter really wasn't into it.
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On September 03 2013 09:09 RifleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 09:06 shid0x wrote:On September 03 2013 09:03 -RusH wrote:On September 03 2013 08:57 shid0x wrote:
why do i have to pay ? wasn't 720p supposed to be free at WCS ?
Screw that NASL you serious ? I just checked to see if 720p worked and it does. Although I can't watch anything above low it didn't show me a paywall. High = 720p and I'm guessing Source = 720p+. I only checked on high. Ok twitch was being retarded i had ''medium'' and 720p and 720p told me to play. Now i can click on ''high'' without anything telling me to pay. That's...weird. Also 720p bitrate is bad step it up. Is there a reason they're going to this low->medium->high thing?
http://blog.twitch.tv/2013/08/major-changes-coming-to-twitch-transcodes/
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Really solid play by state. American resurgence!
*Sigh
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damn
state played well, gg hyun!
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Some nice play by State, but HYUNNN!
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dat 600-1000 apm by hyun at the end. Know it means nothing but still amusing.
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State hell of an effort keep it up. probably the most impressive ROOT player I've seen recently.
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Can't wait for those replays to be released, this is how I want to play PvZ. Great show from State.
What is the answer to that BL transition? Scout it and get a few Tempests out? Do more damage around the 16 - 17 minute mark?
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State obviously the better player today, pity luck of the draw forces him out. GL to Hyun.
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On September 03 2013 09:28 HeavenResign wrote:
Can't wait for those replays to be released, this is how I want to play PvZ. Great show from State.
What is the answer to that BL transition? Scout it and get a few Tempests out? Do more damage around the 16 - 17 minute mark?
A few Tempest would have helped massively against Hyun's composition
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That was a really good last series, I went in thinking hyun would get out but i was impressed by state. Fun games ^_^
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Lol, Hyun advances with negative 2-3 score from that day. Usually at least in such case one has beaten the other loser in the loser's match, but here even this was just forfeit so it doesn't count.
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Enjoyable series, it was nice to see both Hyun and State mixing it up with play styles; and well played by both.
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State 3-2 HyuN - HyuN advances! I don't like this format when there's w.o.
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Yeah, it's really quite shit
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On September 03 2013 09:34 figq wrote:
Lol, Hyun advances with negative 2-3 score from that day. Usually at least in such case one has beaten the other loser in the loser's match, but here even this was just forfeit so it doesn't count.
That's one way of wording what happened lol. Or you can say that State lost 2 bo3's and had a negative map score and HyuN only lost one, which is the case...If HyuN lost his two bo3's he would've been out. Why does map score matter? Amusingly you are pretty much saying that we should go by extended series format again..but oh wait, back when fan favorites lost in that format it was considered the worst thing to ever befall esports.
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On state, he really lacked the killer instinct. Instead of either teching into an invincible army later (with air and colossi) or staying on 3 bases and going for a killing move with a very strong 200 supply, he did a bit of pressure and a bit of teching, but just ended up in some weird middle position where he lacked the courage to take a deciding engagement while he had the advantage.
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lol so many angry foreigners in this thread taking map score but ignoring series win/loss. Probably first time seeing the result of a player dropping out of a 4-player group. Watched so many Starcraft all these years and still don't understand the rule and surprised by this. haha.
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On September 03 2013 09:49 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol so many angry foreigners in this thread taking map score but ignoring series win/loss.
I think the main issue for the "foreigners" in this case is that one of the series "wins" for Hyun was a W.O. where he did not actually have to do anything (actually just time for him to study State's reps) whereas State was required to play an actual human opponent in all of the three series he played back to back today.
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On September 03 2013 09:54 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 09:49 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol so many angry foreigners in this thread taking map score but ignoring series win/loss. I think the main issue for the "foreigners" in this case is that one of the series "wins" for Hyun was a W.O. where he did not actually have to do anything (actually just time for him to study State's reps) whereas State was required to play an actual human opponent in all of the three series he played back to back today.
well bring that up with WCS AM and Violet consistently having to forfeit his spot.
it's impossible to advance from one of these groups when all 4 players are there without getting an at least 50:50 overall map score. with 3 players it's obviously different. I've always never liked these walk-overs in 3-man groups. would be ideal if they had a couple wildcard games or something of that ilk to fill in these spots.
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Why don't they use reserves for those kind of situations? Like, BB. He was top4 in 3 qualies.
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On September 03 2013 10:47 xxxxxxb wrote:
Why don't they use reserves for those kind of situations? Like, BB. He was top4 in 3 qualies.
lol no one brings this up when this happened twice in the bracket already group c and d. only matters to them if its their favorite player/nationality.
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Sorry that I can't be here everyday to bring this up but the WO thing is bs regardless of who plays. State isn't my favorite anything.
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On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread
i do but i was busy with family D:
also congrats to hyun & arthur!
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State ;; you came so close... so close...
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On September 03 2013 11:02 xxxxxxb wrote:
Sorry that I can't be here everyday to bring this up but the WO thing is bs regardless of who plays. State isn't my favorite anything.
Blame the player that forfeited or the organization for not finding a solution. Don't blame the format (some people have) or the players who played for taking advantage of the WO.
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On September 03 2013 10:47 xxxxxxb wrote:
Why don't they use reserves for those kind of situations? Like, BB. He was top4 in 3 qualies.
I agree, they should have a 'points' system for the players that don't qualify but do get far. Then if replacements are needed, they can just pick the player at the top.
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On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread
challenger and only 3 players
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 03 2013 11:32 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread challenger and only 3 players
I mean no one bothered to make the thread early again x_x
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On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread
WCS AM Challenger *
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Poor State, he put up a great showing today. Too bad he didn't advance
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On September 03 2013 11:41 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:32 Yhamm wrote:On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread challenger and only 3 players I mean no one bothered to make the thread early again x_x
same answer
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 03 2013 11:43 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread WCS AM Challenger *
There is an ALL NA GROUP soon (I think next?)
If no one makes a thread for that then I am calling bullshit on all the "regionlock WCS" arguments. Want region lock and can't even make the effort for your homegrown players? -_-''
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On September 03 2013 11:17 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:02 xxxxxxb wrote:
Sorry that I can't be here everyday to bring this up but the WO thing is bs regardless of who plays. State isn't my favorite anything. Blame the player that forfeited or the organization for not finding a solution. Don't blame the format (some people have) or the players who played for taking advantage of the WO.
The obvious solution is: have backups. Which is what I suggested and it has to be done by the organization, not by the players.
Yet I get labeled as a whiner because ... well, I don't even get it.
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On September 03 2013 12:22 xxxxxxb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:17 lichter wrote:On September 03 2013 11:02 xxxxxxb wrote:
Sorry that I can't be here everyday to bring this up but the WO thing is bs regardless of who plays. State isn't my favorite anything. Blame the player that forfeited or the organization for not finding a solution. Don't blame the format (some people have) or the players who played for taking advantage of the WO. The obvious solution is: have backups. Which is what I suggested and it has to be done by the organization, not by the players. Yet I get labeled as a whiner because ... well, I don't even get it.
Only one person with 33 posts called you anything like that lol I agree with you that WOs suck but some people are going overboard calling out the format or the players. NASL need to have backup plans for players that forfeit well in advance.
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The other obvious solution would be to move to a different format since using GSL-style groups obviously makes no sense with only three people. Hell, they didn't even rearrange the group so the highest seed (State) was the person with the advantage. Why there hasn't been a fix implemented, or at least explored, especially with 3 man groups being a somewhat common occurrence in WCS NA is beyond me.
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so hyun plays state, and only state 5 times. he wins 2 of the 5 games, so he gets to move on to premiere...
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 03 2013 12:51 ETgoBoom wrote:
so hyun plays state, and only state 5 times. he wins 2 of the 5 games, so he gets to move on to premiere...
Map scores are irrelevant compared to Match scores.
Who wins:
Lakers 88 - 90 Heat
Lakers 120 - 66 Heat
Lakers 90 - 100 Heat
Heat win 2 games, but Lakers outscored them 42 points total. Doesn't matter, since we are looking at games not scores. Same thing here. We look at matches, not maps.
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On September 03 2013 12:17 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:43 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread WCS AM Challenger * There is an ALL NA GROUP soon (I think next?) If no one makes a thread for that then I am calling bullshit on all the "regionlock WCS" arguments. Want region lock and can't even make the effort for your homegrown players? -_-''
Fucking challenger bro, it means nothing regardless. If there was an all NA Premier group then you could base something on that.
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I didn't see anyone whine before they broadcasted the games.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 03 2013 13:21 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 12:17 lichter wrote:On September 03 2013 11:43 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread WCS AM Challenger * There is an ALL NA GROUP soon (I think next?) If no one makes a thread for that then I am calling bullshit on all the "regionlock WCS" arguments. Want region lock and can't even make the effort for your homegrown players? -_-'' Fucking challenger bro, it means nothing regardless. If there was an all NA Premier group then you could base something on that.
There are already 5, soon to be 7, might even be 8. There might be two full groups of NA players next season :o
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On September 03 2013 13:23 NoGasfOu wrote:
I didn't see anyone whine before they broadcasted the games.
people tend to whine after their favorite player is knocked out or just loses  (not saying the format is fair or w/e) I do think something should be changed when it's only 3 people in a group.
On September 03 2013 11:41 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:32 Yhamm wrote:On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread challenger and only 3 players I mean no one bothered to make the thread early again x_x
I was busy with family or I would have done it.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 03 2013 13:57 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 13:23 NoGasfOu wrote:
I didn't see anyone whine before they broadcasted the games. people tend to whine after their favorite player is knocked out or just loses (not saying the format is fair or w/e) I do think something should be changed when it's only 3 people in a group. Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:41 lichter wrote:On September 03 2013 11:32 Yhamm wrote:On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread challenger and only 3 players I mean no one bothered to make the thread early again x_x I was busy with family or I would have done it.
WCS AM needs more passionate bros like you
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On September 03 2013 13:26 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 13:21 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On September 03 2013 12:17 lichter wrote:On September 03 2013 11:43 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On September 03 2013 10:43 lichter wrote:Why does no one care about WCS AM ty for thread WCS AM Challenger * There is an ALL NA GROUP soon (I think next?) If no one makes a thread for that then I am calling bullshit on all the "regionlock WCS" arguments. Want region lock and can't even make the effort for your homegrown players? -_-'' Fucking challenger bro, it means nothing regardless. If there was an all NA Premier group then you could base something on that. There are already 5, soon to be 7, might even be 8. There might be two full groups of NA players next season :o
Are NA players getting better or are koreans getting worse?
Also: I catch a lot of these challenger games. So if people can't make these threads I can probably do a few, as it seems my first one (this one) went pretty well. The low interest games don't require too much work, since there's no LR and no real need for polls.
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Seems to me that the structure of the Group E was very unfair to State. Is there a link where I can voice my concerns to Blizzard? Thx
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Was anyone else having a hard time watching the casting between gretorp and mr bitters? Gretorp was acting like a nut job the whole cast, very passive aggressive and combative with mr bitters, followed by Mr Bitters trying to hide the fact that Gretorp was annoying the sht out of him with his observing mistakes and constant stupid questions. in addition to questioning all of mr bitters strategy related comments, gretorp seemed to pick a bone with pretty much everything bitters said...
mr bitters: "it would be nice to be in korea, it is a tropical paradise"
gretorp "no it's not. have you even been to korea?"
mr bitters "no, that's just what i heard"
gretorp "who told you that?"
mr bitters: "Violet. He used to live there...."
or this one
Mr Bitters: that is no bueno for hyun!
Gretorp: oh man, no bueno for hyun.
Gretorp: wait, did you just say no bueno too?
Mr Bitters: yes....
Gretorp: you copied me! that is my line
Mr Bitters: maybe you copied me...
Gretorp: no, because i speak spanish with my gf
Then Gretorp goes on to quiz Mr Bitters on Spanish, distracting them from the actual cast. After failing to stump mr bitters, gretorp goes on to say that he has been speaking Spanish longer than Mr Bitters and had been speaking it before he met his (Spanish speaking) girlfriend. Mr Bitters, visibly frustrated, says "You just lied to me."
And on it went for the whole cast.
Doesn't sound that bad in text but I thought it was absolutely brutal to watch. How does Gretorp get paid to cast? Unprofessional, poor caster, has weird complex where he is constantly trying to prove that he is more knowledgeable than his fellow caster, not funny yet rambles non stop. the guy needs to get the axe.
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