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[WCS] Day 2 Season 2 Grand Finals 2013 - Page 244

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ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
August 24 2013 16:50 GMT
#4861
Chobra is sofaking good
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 24 2013 16:50 GMT
#4862
On August 25 2013 01:48 udgnim wrote:
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On August 25 2013 01:48 unigolyn wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:45 udgnim wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:42 unigolyn wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:34 Faruko wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:32 Wildmoon wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:31 BigAsia wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:30 Faruko wrote:
Guys actually like this kind of game ? this remind why SC its not the king of eSports anymore boring


^ This... not impressed lol


really? This tournament has been full of great games and you nitpick this to bitch about?

I do agree with you, but more than 50% of games (of all SC2) go to deathball vs deathball like this one, and thats boring


If you think the game ended beacuse of "deathball vs deathball", you don't seem to understand the game at all.


the game was prolonged due to deathball vs deathball and there was a large amount of time of minimal action because of deathball vs deathball

Taeja played out the game very well, but spectator wise, it is still a boring play style and overall spectator experience

prolonged constant action between both players is almost always a superior and more entertaining game to watch


This is like criticizing soccer because there's very few goals and just constant passing.


SC2 isn't soccer


Comparisons, you know. "It's like".
LiquipediaWanderer
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 24 2013 16:50 GMT
#4863
On August 25 2013 01:46 LogiiK wrote:
where is kespa ?


esports politics in Korea
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 24 2013 16:50 GMT
#4864
On August 25 2013 01:49 bo1b wrote:
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On August 25 2013 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
Fuck this BM terran. I hope he dies in hell.

User was temp banned for this post.

I really really really hope this guy isn't banned for that

wherever Terran is playing, samurai80 will be complaining
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
August 24 2013 16:50 GMT
#4865
rain losing again ?
innovation losing ?

whats happening to the top-tier players?
this is a quote
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 16:54:04
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4866
On August 25 2013 01:46 NarutO wrote:
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On August 25 2013 01:44 BronzeKnee wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:44 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:42 BronzeKnee wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:40 NarutO wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:35 BronzeKnee wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:32 TheDwf wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:
[quote]

So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost?

Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest.

Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded.


Tempests are terrible against Vikings.

Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT?


I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won.

If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies.


Lots of stalkers + lots of colossus is very good. If you add tempest, even better.


Scan, kill Observers/Oracles. Cloak Mass ghosts. EMP and kill everything. Use any remaining Vikings to help DPS down Colossus and any Tempests.


You take a defensive posture. You add cannons. Watch HasuObs ultra-late. If you lose in the defensive with lots of colossus/tempest and stalkers behind cannons and few hts, you really are doing something very wrong.


Nuclear launch detected brah. Kills dem cannons.


Jesus shut up. Statistics favor Protoss over Terran and besides Taeja the Terrans got smoked everywhere all over the world. Protoss dominates all the ladders on highest level. Rain made huge mistakes here so if you want to base that series as balance test "BRAH" jesus christ.

I cannot believe people like you but on the other hand yeah, they exist.


Wow. Relax man, don't rage. And I'm not Jesus, I know it seems like that, but I'm not that good yet,

Anyway, Rain deserved to lose that series he didn't play well and Taeja played really well, but it had nothing to do with this discussion. The discussion we were having was about Mass Viking/Ghost, because someone said "UltLate game is always protoss favored." Again, it had nothing to do with the series.

In my experience, Mass Viking/Ghost has no counters. Sure you can turtle up, but if you don't have the bases on your side of the map, then you're in trouble. And nukes force engagements and constant movement and if the map is big, you're in even more trouble.

Fortunately, it basically never happens. I find PvT to be balanced, but incredibly boring to watch since defensive play is far superior to any kind of aggressive play.
Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4867
Wrote it down before, will do again.


Scarlett 3 Bomber 0
BigAsia
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada451 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4868
On August 25 2013 01:49 bo1b wrote:
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On August 25 2013 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
Fuck this BM terran. I hope he dies in hell.

User was temp banned for this post.

I really really really hope this guy isn't banned for that


Why? It was BM as hell and clearly a balance whine. Also you're in TL, the least you can do is respect their players a little bit
YOLO
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4869
On August 25 2013 01:50 goody153 wrote:
rain losing again ?
innovation losing ?

whats happening to the top-tier players?

They're changing out apparently.
kiss kiss fall in love
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 16:51:41
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4870
On August 25 2013 01:51 BigAsia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:49 bo1b wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
Fuck this BM terran. I hope he dies in hell.

User was temp banned for this post.

I really really really hope this guy isn't banned for that


Why? It was BM as hell and clearly a balance whine. Also you're in TL, the least you can do is respect their players a little bit


On August 25 2013 01:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On August 25 2013 01:49 bo1b wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:45 samurai80 wrote:
Fuck this BM terran. I hope he dies in hell.

User was temp banned for this post.

I really really really hope this guy isn't banned for that

wherever Terran is playing, samurai80 will be complaining

I guess, I just love seeing that sort of passion tbh
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4871
Did Artosis curse Protoss before this tournament? they are all doing terrible
you no take candle
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 16:51:22
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4872
On August 25 2013 01:50 Arco wrote:
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On August 25 2013 01:49 Muffloe wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:48 Arco wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:46 LogiiK wrote:
where is kespa ?

Jaedong, hi.


EG bro


8 years as a KeSPA player, bro.

SC2, Bro.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 16:52:18
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4873
On August 25 2013 01:50 Ace Frehley wrote:
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On August 25 2013 01:47 Garnet wrote:
Proleague over --> KeSPA stopped giving fucks?.


Nice excuse.
I bet Rain has a nice $40,000 salary/month to not give a fuck

Well, Parting has around 10k salary, and i doubt he is the highest paid, im guessing Innovation, Flash, Soulkey and Rain are winning A LOT more
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4874
Time to ascend Bomber! Slay em allllllll
The Bomber boy
Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4875
On August 25 2013 01:49 Arco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 01:49 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:48 Arco wrote:
On August 25 2013 01:46 LogiiK wrote:
where is kespa ?

Jaedong, hi.

Technically EG-TL property now.

So, I guess joining EG-TL makes him forget his 8 years of KeSPA training regiment.

Good one.

Lol. Get a clue lol...
"Firefly piglet force staff chicken" - TobiWanKenobi TI3 2013
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4876
So sleepy but only one more match to go through.

And LOL TAEJA SO CUTE. Clapping for himself.
Long live the King of Wings
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4877
Taeja looks adorable when he claps
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4878
On August 25 2013 01:50 goody153 wrote:
rain losing again ?
innovation losing ?

whats happening to the top-tier players?

dude it's summer, you know what's going on in summer, don't you?
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
DiuLaSing
Profile Joined August 2011
Hong Kong225 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4879
best translator?
"You just abuse idiocy" - bad boy
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#4880
I hope Scarlett beats Bomber!!!
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