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On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:28 rshawer wrote:
UltLate game is always protoss favored So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost? Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest.
Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded.
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On August 25 2013 01:30 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:29 bo1b wrote:
This game will be voted as one of the greatest of all time. And just like mvp vs top it really shouldn't be It wasn't the greatest of all time. But that was, although boring, the showcase of very solid play from both sides. And that counts too. Seeing very good starcraft compensate for the fact that it was a bit boring.
this is boring to those not playing the game.
But it is so intense to watch for a high tank scii player. The dancing is beautiful.
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Hopefully Rain will win at least 1 game =) Gogo Taeja!
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On August 25 2013 01:31 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:30 Fyzar wrote:On August 25 2013 01:29 KingAlphard wrote:
Are terran players still complaining about TvP lategame? SC2 players always complain x]. This is what you meant.
Hahah, guess so! 
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On August 25 2013 01:31 BigAsia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:30 Faruko wrote:Guys actually like this kind of game ? this remind why SC its not the king of eSports anymore  boring ^ This... not impressed lol
really? This tournament has been full of great games and you nitpick this to bitch about?
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On August 25 2013 01:31 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:30 Bagration wrote:
Kespa is failing so hard this tournament. Not used to international travel, eh? They are on holidays
Kespa players dont care a lot for individual tournaments, they live and die for Proleague, IMO
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if taeja goes mech in this map .. i would be very happy
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On August 25 2013 01:32 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:28 rshawer wrote:
UltLate game is always protoss favored So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost? Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest. Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded.
Not getting 3rd base killed (no MSC with timewarp present when it was needed for example). Not getting your 4th denied 35 times...
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On August 25 2013 01:30 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:29 KingAlphard wrote:
Are terran players still complaining about TvP lategame? Terran players always complain x]. Without reason, as shown here by Taeja. But I don't mind seeing Taeja win ^.^.
Wasn't TaeJa really ahead tho? Not saying that TvP lategame is broken, but one terran winning a TVP lategame while being super ahead doesn't prove much.
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Mass Orbital commands = legit cheating
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On August 25 2013 01:28 Vesky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:25 wangstra wrote:
Command center spam is fucked up. There's no risk to terran for detection and you get to make a bigger army. You don't just waltz into super lategame as terran and build a million CCs without having obtained some large advantage previously. Rain's been behind forever, and things are just snowballing.
And you sidestepped the point I brought up. This point has little to do with this particular game and more of an observation of how late game terran snowballs in a way that makes detection plentiful and resource gathering far easier than the other two races.
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On August 25 2013 01:31 shadymmj wrote:
honestly something needs to be done about TvP lategame.
it should not come down to 1 unit vs 1 unit hardcounters making both sides afraid to fight
then terran sacs scvs down to 25~ with mass orbitals and hopefully takes the win
Reavers would make Terran bio balls scatter frantically :D
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On August 25 2013 01:29 KingAlphard wrote:
Are terran players still complaining about TvP lategame?
You've gotta be joking. That game was over for 20 minutes because Rain had terribly low economy. At one point he was on one base while Taeja was on 3 with tons of Orbitals behind.
Rain played horrible and lost that game due to his stubbornness to actually expand. He kept trying to expand towards Terran. He should have been expanding upwards. It would have forced Taeja to walk across the map to try and deny/pick off expansions. Rain could have further delayed and set traps by leaving Templars in the path in that direction.
The sad part is that Taeja had to wait so long to kill Rain because of how ridiculously strong Protoss 200/200 army is in PvT.
If anything, that game displayed how ridiculous Protoss is that it can live for 20 minutes on 1-2 bases against a massive Terran economy.
I play Protoss, so no bias here.
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On August 25 2013 01:31 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:30 Bagration wrote:
Kespa is failing so hard this tournament. Not used to international travel, eh? They are on holidays
No excuses 
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On August 25 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:30 Bagration wrote:
Kespa is failing so hard this tournament. Not used to international travel, eh? They've flopped many times before man. Not just here. Remember MLG?
Exactly: International travel
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this German zombie crowds...will they ever cheer?
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On August 25 2013 01:31 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:30 etherealfall wrote:
Game was pretty much decided once Rain lost the 2 colossi + nexus that early It gave Taeja a huge lead, but once protoss manage to get a full deathball, you have to be careful.
Rain never really got up a decent amount of bases to get the gas he needed because Taeja kept him on the back foot.
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On August 25 2013 01:33 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:31 Scarecrow wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 Bagration wrote:
Kespa is failing so hard this tournament. Not used to international travel, eh? They are on holidays Kespa players dont care a lot for individual tournaments, they live and die for Proleague, IMO
Say something similar about non-kespa and you'd be banished for bullshit.
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So basically protoss has to win before terran gets mass orbitals
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On August 25 2013 01:32 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:30 Ragnarork wrote:On August 25 2013 01:29 bo1b wrote:
This game will be voted as one of the greatest of all time. And just like mvp vs top it really shouldn't be It wasn't the greatest of all time. But that was, although boring, the showcase of very solid play from both sides. And that counts too. Seeing very good starcraft compensate for the fact that it was a bit boring. this is boring to those not playing the game. But it is so intense to watch for a high tank scii player. The dancing is beautiful.
It was intense and exciting until rain got a 4th, and then it was a dance of killing observers. Really stopped being exciting at that point.
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