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Ok, the finals are on now. Stop derailing with complaints about WCS region system! - Begin page 109
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 11 2013 14:33 GMT
#1221
On August 11 2013 23:31 Zarahtra wrote:
That was just a very strange decision making from grubby. I mean I assume he thought it was dts, but weird to not catch up when he saw the 3 extra gates and to just play safe vs possible blink...

His decision making for anti-DT made no sense, as he had neither a forge nor a robo so he had no chance for detection. I think he had a planned stargate build and decided to do it regardless of the info.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 11 2013 14:33 GMT
#1222
On August 11 2013 23:31 Darkhoarse wrote:
Wait where have I been EU gets 6 world finals spots and AM gets 5?


The region that host the worlds get an extra spot, this time, it is EU.
dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 14:35:04
August 11 2013 14:33 GMT
#1223
On August 11 2013 23:28 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:27 dainbramage wrote:
On August 11 2013 23:25 monkybone wrote:
On August 11 2013 23:23 dainbramage wrote:
On August 11 2013 23:21 Rassy wrote:
Huh? attack is way better then armour in phoenix vs phoenix.

0/0/0 vs 0/0/0: 9 shots
1/0/0 vs 0/0/0: 9 shots
0/0/0 vs 0/1/0: 10 shots
0/0/0 vs 0/0/1: 10 shots

Plasma shields is actually the best option if you're not progressing beyond +1


what about

2/0/0 vs 0/0/0
and
2/0/0 vs 0/1/0
and
2/0/0 vs 0/2/0
?

8, 8, 9


so 2/0/0 vs 0/1/0 is 8 ?

that's a very good reason to go for +1 attack if you're upgrading 1st.

If it's going to the point where you're reaching +2, you probably want to have two cores anyway. But for the timing grubby was doing plasma shields is the best option. Armor if you don't want to have to get a forge.

EDIT: And as an aside, 0/2/0 vs 0/1/0 is 10 shots vs 12, which is a bigger difference than 8 vs 9.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
August 11 2013 14:33 GMT
#1224
On August 11 2013 23:32 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
@Artosis
Having a little #WCS date with @ggDoA - GOGOGOGO @FOLLOWGRUBBY pic.twitter.com/4sVRQRABdV


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

he's cheering for Grubby, not saying he'll win
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 11 2013 14:33 GMT
#1225
Thanks everyone. That makes sense
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
August 11 2013 14:33 GMT
#1226
Grubby likely thought "well i scouted you, no way you allin me now" and decided to play greedy.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
August 11 2013 14:33 GMT
#1227
I think Grubby must have assumed there was going to be a Dark Shrine from Duckdeok and only then saw the 4 gates, though he could have cancelled the oracle for a void ray probably. Assuming he had already started the oracle when he saw the 4 gates (I'm far from sure about that), he may have felt too time-limited to cancel it and go for a void ray instead.
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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
August 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#1228
On August 11 2013 23:33 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:31 Zarahtra wrote:
That was just a very strange decision making from grubby. I mean I assume he thought it was dts, but weird to not catch up when he saw the 3 extra gates and to just play safe vs possible blink...

His decision making for anti-DT made no sense, as he had neither a forge nor a robo so he had no chance for detection. I think he had a planned stargate build and decided to do it regardless of the info.

Stargate oracle for detection, it made perfect sense if he wanted to go phoenix afterwards. Also he made sentry to ff the ramp
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#1229
On August 11 2013 23:32 ArchangelJada wrote:
wow all them replys lol

sc2 is so aaaaliiive
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#1230
On August 11 2013 23:33 TAMinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:32 Wingblade wrote:
@Artosis
Having a little #WCS date with @ggDoA - GOGOGOGO @FOLLOWGRUBBY pic.twitter.com/4sVRQRABdV


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

he's cheering for Grubby, not saying he'll win

Oh but that thin red line you toe...
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
August 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#1231
On August 11 2013 23:34 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:33 Darkhoarse wrote:
On August 11 2013 23:31 Zarahtra wrote:
That was just a very strange decision making from grubby. I mean I assume he thought it was dts, but weird to not catch up when he saw the 3 extra gates and to just play safe vs possible blink...

His decision making for anti-DT made no sense, as he had neither a forge nor a robo so he had no chance for detection. I think he had a planned stargate build and decided to do it regardless of the info.

Stargate oracle for detection, it made perfect sense if he wanted to go phoenix afterwards. Also he made sentry to ff the ramp


FF on the ramp does nothing because of how fast blink+msc can arrive.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#1232
On August 11 2013 23:32 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
@Artosis
Having a little #WCS date with @ggDoA - GOGOGOGO @FOLLOWGRUBBY pic.twitter.com/4sVRQRABdV


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


I thought Artosis curse was that he predicts a player to win and then he loses, not the player he is cheering for.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#1233
On August 11 2013 23:34 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:33 Darkhoarse wrote:
On August 11 2013 23:31 Zarahtra wrote:
That was just a very strange decision making from grubby. I mean I assume he thought it was dts, but weird to not catch up when he saw the 3 extra gates and to just play safe vs possible blink...

His decision making for anti-DT made no sense, as he had neither a forge nor a robo so he had no chance for detection. I think he had a planned stargate build and decided to do it regardless of the info.

Stargate oracle for detection, it made perfect sense if he wanted to go phoenix afterwards. Also he made sentry to ff the ramp

Oracles can detect? Imba... Kidding
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#1234
On August 11 2013 23:33 Teoita wrote:
Grubby likely thought "well i scouted you, no way you allin me now" and decided to play greedy.

he saw the 4 gateways though and chose to hang around and lose the MSC stupidly as well as get his 3 stalkers trapped.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
August 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#1235
On August 11 2013 23:34 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:34 Zarahtra wrote:
On August 11 2013 23:33 Darkhoarse wrote:
On August 11 2013 23:31 Zarahtra wrote:
That was just a very strange decision making from grubby. I mean I assume he thought it was dts, but weird to not catch up when he saw the 3 extra gates and to just play safe vs possible blink...

His decision making for anti-DT made no sense, as he had neither a forge nor a robo so he had no chance for detection. I think he had a planned stargate build and decided to do it regardless of the info.

Stargate oracle for detection, it made perfect sense if he wanted to go phoenix afterwards. Also he made sentry to ff the ramp


FF on the ramp does nothing because of how fast blink+msc can arrive.

Yeah, i mean vs dts...
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#1236
On August 11 2013 23:33 TAMinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:32 Wingblade wrote:
@Artosis
Having a little #WCS date with @ggDoA - GOGOGOGO @FOLLOWGRUBBY pic.twitter.com/4sVRQRABdV


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

he's cheering for Grubby, not saying he'll win

you gave me hope but i will blame artosis if duckduck is winning
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
August 11 2013 14:35 GMT
#1237
On August 11 2013 23:32 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
@Artosis
Having a little #WCS date with @ggDoA - GOGOGOGO @FOLLOWGRUBBY pic.twitter.com/4sVRQRABdV


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

*searching for loopholes* He never said he was going to win!
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 11 2013 14:35 GMT
#1238
On August 11 2013 23:33 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:31 Zarahtra wrote:
That was just a very strange decision making from grubby. I mean I assume he thought it was dts, but weird to not catch up when he saw the 3 extra gates and to just play safe vs possible blink...

His decision making for anti-DT made no sense, as he had neither a forge nor a robo so he had no chance for detection. I think he had a planned stargate build and decided to do it regardless of the info.

Wrong, Oracle and MSC can give detection too. He wanted oracle as detection unit.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 14:35:46
August 11 2013 14:35 GMT
#1239
On August 11 2013 23:34 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 23:33 Teoita wrote:
Grubby likely thought "well i scouted you, no way you allin me now" and decided to play greedy.

he saw the 4 gateways though and chose to hang around and lose the MSC stupidly as well as get his 3 stalkers trapped.


Blink can still pressure with 4gates while probing behind it; if Grubby hadn't lost his msc he could have held that kind of pressure, but not a 24 probe 4gate blink.

edit: also the msc doesn't have detection.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 11 2013 14:35 GMT
#1240
Skype sounds on stream?
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
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