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[WCS EU] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 10

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Ok, the finals are on now. Stop derailing with complaints about WCS region system! - Begin page 109
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#181
On August 11 2013 20:02 monkybone wrote:
why is mvp called jurgen?

It's a joke since he represents Europe so he needed an European name.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#182
I love his accent.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#183
RedEye forgot First
KaneZ
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany202 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#184
On August 11 2013 20:05 marcesr wrote:
I just feel really sad for the scene if I look at this interview...sorry


Why?
† Stephano †
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#185
On August 11 2013 20:05 NPF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 19:58 Markwerf wrote:
using dt instead of ht to make archons for welmu.. jeez how can pro's still make these rediculous mistakes... europeans suck so much in their strategies sometimes


How is that a mistake? DTs are cheaper...


What do you mean DT =125/125 and HT = 50/150. Same build time and all. Is it because minerals are so plenty that the 25 gas is huge. I guess near the end he had like 10 archons so he saved 500 gas and spent an extra 1500 minerals.


yeah but he can get dt archons earlier, and dts force additional preparations by the opponent, AND he did not want to spend another 200/200 on the archive, so in the long run HT into archon is always better, but dt archons have their place early to midgame imo^^
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#186
Impressive naming all the finalist without stuttering
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10139 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#187
On August 11 2013 20:02 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Can't believe Hasuobs kept building immortals vs zealot/archon

and then not building archons of his own


what was he thinking?

That it was still minute 20 and lategame haven't kicked in yet (didn't watch the game :p)
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#188
Welmu certainly isn't the calibre you would expect in the world finals, but he earned his spot. Congratulations to him. Sad for HasuObs, you could tell how disappointed he was
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#189
On August 11 2013 20:05 Markwerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 19:58 Markwerf wrote:
using dt instead of ht to make archons for welmu.. jeez how can pro's still make these rediculous mistakes... europeans suck so much in their strategies sometimes


How is that a mistake? DTs are cheaper...


you make a wrong assumption that minerals are irrelevant which are most certainly not, you're trading 150 minerals for 50 gas which is horrible.
6 archons or 5 archons and 10 zealots? The latter is far better and that is exactly the choice you make when going dt instead of ht for archons.. it's never worth it.


You need more production if you want to go the zealot route, and besides he was up a base on Hasu. It's not that bad.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3389 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#190
On August 11 2013 20:05 Markwerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 19:58 Markwerf wrote:
using dt instead of ht to make archons for welmu.. jeez how can pro's still make these rediculous mistakes... europeans suck so much in their strategies sometimes


How is that a mistake? DTs are cheaper...


you make a wrong assumption that minerals are irrelevant which are most certainly not, you're trading 150 minerals for 50 gas which is horrible.
6 archons or 5 archons and 10 zealots? The latter is far better and that is exactly the choice you make when going dt instead of ht for archons.. it's never worth it.

Obviously many pros disagree.
Not sure how much will 10 zealots do in a choke with that many archons.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
August 11 2013 11:07 GMT
#191
On August 11 2013 20:05 FuRong wrote:
If you guys are looking for something to watch during the downtime, the world badminton championship finals are being streamed live on Youtube right now (Lin Dan vs Lee Chong Wei).



Thank you. Badminton is awesome.
hundred thousand krouner
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
August 11 2013 11:08 GMT
#192
On August 11 2013 20:04 marcesr wrote:
3 years after release the top 6 at the European championship is not even wearing a team shirt. I think this sums up the development SC2 has gone through pretty well.

I think it just sums up what kind of a team Welmu is on tbh. Probably not for long though...
why even
Dwayn
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany949 Posts
August 11 2013 11:08 GMT
#193
I still think Hasu is the better player, but welmu improved a lot
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 11 2013 11:08 GMT
#194
On August 11 2013 20:06 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:06 Wildmoon wrote:
On August 11 2013 20:04 marcesr wrote:
3 years after release the top 6 at the European championship is not even wearing a team shirt. I think this sums up the development SC2 has gone through pretty well.


Welmu has team?

He's on newrosoft but newrosoft don't seem to give a shit rofl.


That's kind of a dick thing to say. I get it that it's funny to you, but NrS does very much care about Welmu.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 11 2013 11:09 GMT
#195
On August 11 2013 20:05 FuRong wrote:
If you guys are looking for something to watch during the downtime, the world badminton championship finals are being streamed live on Youtube right now (Lin Dan vs Lee Chong Wei).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a64pWiUtgJQ

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country."

(>'.')>
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
August 11 2013 11:10 GMT
#196
On August 11 2013 20:07 Naphal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:05 NPF wrote:
On August 11 2013 20:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 19:58 Markwerf wrote:
using dt instead of ht to make archons for welmu.. jeez how can pro's still make these rediculous mistakes... europeans suck so much in their strategies sometimes


How is that a mistake? DTs are cheaper...


What do you mean DT =125/125 and HT = 50/150. Same build time and all. Is it because minerals are so plenty that the 25 gas is huge. I guess near the end he had like 10 archons so he saved 500 gas and spent an extra 1500 minerals.


yeah but he can get dt archons earlier, and dts force additional preparations by the opponent, AND he did not want to spend another 200/200 on the archive, so in the long run HT into archon is always better, but dt archons have their place early to midgame imo^^


Yes but the upgrades, but I guess 3/3 is always pretty far off of people minds when playing PvP
marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
August 11 2013 11:10 GMT
#197
On August 11 2013 20:07 KaneZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:05 marcesr wrote:
I just feel really sad for the scene if I look at this interview...sorry


Why?


Welmus appearance is just extremely unprofessional. (No team shirt, he looks as if he just got out of bed before the game started etc.)
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 11 2013 11:10 GMT
#198
On August 11 2013 20:07 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:05 FuRong wrote:
If you guys are looking for something to watch during the downtime, the world badminton championship finals are being streamed live on Youtube right now (Lin Dan vs Lee Chong Wei).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a64pWiUtgJQ


Thank you. Badminton is awesome.


Wow, that's pretty intense. Also, youtube streams can just be embedded? That's too awesome.
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
August 11 2013 11:11 GMT
#199
On August 11 2013 20:07 NarutO wrote:
Welmu certainly isn't the calibre you would expect in the world finals, but he earned his spot. Congratulations to him. Sad for HasuObs, you could tell how disappointed he was


He's not? I thought he was top EU.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Moxi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
708 Posts
August 11 2013 11:11 GMT
#200
Hey anyone know when the grand finals for the season is? I would love to fly and watch it. I think last time it was in Shanghai if I am not wrong, anyone know? I can't find on their website.
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