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[WCS AM] Group D Challenger Season 1 2013
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GOGO Suppy :DD Make it back into Premiere, make us proud.
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No matches today. We have matches all 5 days next week instead.
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On June 14 2013 06:54 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No matches today. We have matches all 5 days next week instead.
Oh. Any idea on the date for this group? I'll change the OP to reflect it.
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On June 14 2013 06:57 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:54 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No matches today. We have matches all 5 days next week instead. Oh. Any idea on the date for this group? I'll change the OP to reflect it.
full schedule here - http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/wcs-america-season-1#schedule
next week details:
Monday, June 17 – Group H (Sen, Fenix, Oz, Sage)
Tuesday, June 18 – Group F (Top, State, Minigun, Xenocider)
Wednesday, June 19 – Group G (Taeja, Neeb, Hellokitty, Maker)
Thursday, June 20 - Group E (Jim, Ian, Jeadong, Drunkenboi)
Friday, June 21- Group D (Suppy, Illusion, Tilea, HwangSin)
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Wth no tourney streams now... I'm bored at work
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On June 14 2013 06:54 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No matches today. We have matches all 5 days next week instead.
Well this is kinda on short notice o_O What happend?
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On June 14 2013 07:23 Niko_Thien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:54 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No matches today. We have matches all 5 days next week instead. Well this is kinda on short notice o_O What happend?
It's been on the website for a week and a half and liquipedia for a week, I also mentioned it on broadcast at least once every day this week.
We initially had 4 days of matches this week, 4 next week. Then some scheduling conflicts surfaced hence the 3 day week this week and 5 day week next week.
Apologies for any inconveniences ^^
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On June 14 2013 07:31 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:23 Niko_Thien wrote:On June 14 2013 06:54 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No matches today. We have matches all 5 days next week instead. Well this is kinda on short notice o_O What happend? It's been on the website for a week and a half and liquipedia for a week, I also mentioned it on broadcast at least once every day this week. We initially had 4 days of matches this week, 4 next week. Then some scheduling conflicts surfaced hence the 3 day week this week and 5 day week next week. Apologies for any inconveniences ^^
Yeah, sorry. I was going off of TL calendar ;(
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On June 14 2013 07:31 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:23 Niko_Thien wrote:On June 14 2013 06:54 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No matches today. We have matches all 5 days next week instead. Well this is kinda on short notice o_O What happend? It's been on the website for a week and a half and liquipedia for a week, I also mentioned it on broadcast at least once every day this week. We initially had 4 days of matches this week, 4 next week. Then some scheduling conflicts surfaced hence the 3 day week this week and 5 day week next week. Apologies for any inconveniences ^^
Ah thx for the clarification  Didn't watch much of the other broadcastings, as it is quite late in Europe :D
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On June 14 2013 07:41 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:31 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:On June 14 2013 07:23 Niko_Thien wrote:On June 14 2013 06:54 ROOTAxeltoss wrote:
No matches today. We have matches all 5 days next week instead. Well this is kinda on short notice o_O What happend? It's been on the website for a week and a half and liquipedia for a week, I also mentioned it on broadcast at least once every day this week. We initially had 4 days of matches this week, 4 next week. Then some scheduling conflicts surfaced hence the 3 day week this week and 5 day week next week. Apologies for any inconveniences ^^ Yeah, sorry. I was going off of TL calendar ;(
Same here. Several hours ago, the event was still showed as going to be streamed, so I was looking forward to it... but since it doesn't run away I will watch it next week.
@Axeltoss: thx for the explanation. English isn't my mothers tongue and I watch streams nearby to my work so i might overheard it, so thx for you patience.
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Which volunteers should we pitchfork for not updating the TL calendar?
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opterown
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On June 14 2013 08:29 KillerDucky wrote:Which volunteers should we pitchfork for not updating the TL calendar?
i do all the TL calendar stuff, but can't catch the broadcasts live so i didn't know it was changed (i added the calendar stuff as soon as they came out). next time feel free to PM me to change stuff!
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opterown
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bump, this is tomorrow's WCS group!
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United States97276 Posts
Go suppy and Illusion! USA!
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You hear something? Listen closely. That's your mom calling you. For what?? She's screaming at you to get your lazy butt downstairs. Why?? 'Cause we about to have SUPPAAAAHHHHH!!!
SUPPY lay it down!!
In two hours this post will be more relevant :/ Afternoon still winding down I guess.
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United States97276 Posts
This is starting now. is the op around?
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Omg it's a Random pro Kreygasm you are my hero
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(1339) Suppy 0-0 HwangSin (1266)
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28.33% 2-0 0-2 21.88%
26.50% 2-1 1-2 23.29%
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54.83% 45.17%
Median outcome: Suppy 2-1 HwangSin
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Poll: Recommend Suppy vs Hwangsin game 1?No (3) 100% Yes (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Suppy vs Hwangsin game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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After game 1
Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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HwangSin 61.35% 37.81% 23.53% 25.05% 13.61%
Illusion 49.71% 25.44% 24.26% 25.30% 25.00%
Tilea 39.99% 19.21% 20.78% 27.16% 32.85%
Suppy 48.96% 17.53% 31.42% 22.49% 28.55%
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Poll: Recommend Suppy vs Hwangsin game 2?No (2) 100% Yes (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 2 total votes Your vote: Recommend Suppy vs Hwangsin game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
Poll: Recommend Suppy vs Hwangsin game 3?No (1) 100% Yes (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 1 total votes Your vote: Recommend Suppy vs Hwangsin game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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Suppy got wrecked. His all-in got figured out.
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Aww Suppy :-( Sadface :-/
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Sorry folks. I didn't realize I'd be at work (wasn't when I thought it was starting.) However, it's a Friday afternoon and everything is really dead, so although I won't be watching the games I'll be minimally updaitng the OP.
Could someone pseudo LR the suppy games for me?
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Does random actually mean race pick?
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What the fuck is this, BW?
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On June 22 2013 07:45 Froadac wrote:
Sorry folks. I didn't realize I'd be at work (wasn't when I thought it was starting.) However, it's a Friday afternoon and everything is really dead, so although I won't be watching the games I'll be minimally updaitng the OP.
Could someone pseudo LR the suppy games for me?
Yeah I'll do it when he plays again. as for the first series
game 1 whirlwind: Suppy spawns top left vs Hwangsin bottom left
Hwangsin does a quick zealot mothership core attack with a DT follow up that kills like 15 drones and keeps Suppy on 2 base. Suppy tries to transition into swarmhost play but cant ever get a 3rd. Hwangsin makes a colossus based army and wins
game 2 belshir: Suppy goes for a baneling bust and Hwangsin holds. Hwangsin goes stargate and does some damage. Suppy so far behind he is eventually overwhelmed by some attacks
Hwangsin wins 2-0
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On June 22 2013 07:49 julianto wrote:
Does random actually mean race pick?
They have to declare what race they will play before the matchup starts for each game.
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On June 22 2013 07:50 RHoudini wrote:
4 hatch before pool?
Wtf? if true I'm confused.
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United States97276 Posts
On June 22 2013 07:52 Froadac wrote:Wtf? if true I'm confused.
It's the CatZ build
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On June 22 2013 07:50 Erraa93 wrote:They have to declare what race they will play before the matchup starts for each game.
Thats is quite unfair. What is all the koreans stoping to do the same? How can someone be able to prepare anything for a group?
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She is so gonna die from the 2 2 timing. edit: maybe not
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I love watching Illusion play
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United States97276 Posts
Star Station
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs Tilea game 1?Yes (4) 67% No (1) 17% If you have time (1) 17% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs Tilea game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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I guess the lesson is that extra hatcheries is not a good substitute for injects
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Illusion's playstyle is awesome. He really has tons of raw skill. If he improves his decision making against higher-tiered players he's going to be a force.
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On June 22 2013 08:06 Bagration wrote:
I guess the lesson is that extra hatcheries is not a good substitute for injects
And giving T a 9 min 3rd on SS isnt so hot either.
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On June 22 2013 08:07 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:06 Bagration wrote:
I guess the lesson is that extra hatcheries is not a good substitute for injects And giving T a 9 min 3rd on SS isnt so hot either.
Well, her pool was just way too delayed. That's the downside of going 4 hatch before pool. The creep spread advantage is immense, but I wonder if it's actually better economically since you have to spend so much minerals on hatcheries early and you delay tech, army, and the ability to inject. It be cool to see a pro analyze it.
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United States97276 Posts
I don't know for sure but my guess would be:
It's worse than 3 hatch into pool because it delays injects and stuff so long, but it might be better for a player for larva earlier on if they arent as good at hitting their injects. still sounds like it would hurt you in the long run like Bagration said
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United States97276 Posts
haha wow I cant believe that bunker held. banelings blocked by lings so they couldnt connect fast enough in a row lol
not that it matters at this point anyways
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lol Illusion being a gentleman. no mines
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United States97276 Posts
Neo Planet S
winner: Tilea
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs Tilea game 2?No (4) 67% Yes (2) 33% If you have time (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs Tilea game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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I'd be really upset if Illusion lost. His mechanics are just so much better :\
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On June 22 2013 08:26 Bagration wrote:
I'd be really upset if Illusion lost. His mechanics are just so much better :\
his build sucked hardcore imo. go allin with 6 raxes when scouting such a late pool or get a faster 3rd.
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On June 22 2013 08:27 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:26 Bagration wrote:
I'd be really upset if Illusion lost. His mechanics are just so much better :\ his build sucked hardcore imo. go allin with 6 raxes when scouting such a late pool or get a faster 3rd.
He overcommited with the initial marine push, if he had pulled back he would have had a huge lead. Also, dropping while having your army in a forward position like that was another big mistake.
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On June 22 2013 08:31 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:27 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 22 2013 08:26 Bagration wrote:
I'd be really upset if Illusion lost. His mechanics are just so much better :\ his build sucked hardcore imo. go allin with 6 raxes when scouting such a late pool or get a faster 3rd. He overcommited with the initial marine push, if he had pulled back he would have had a huge lead. Also, dropping while having your army in a forward position like that was another big mistake.
yeah, saving the 1st batch of marines would have been awesome.
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Why not kill the larva at the hatch?
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United States97276 Posts
Illusion's upgrades are so late and Tilea is just engaging better this game
well until those mutas
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I am only watcing this last game but it feels like Tilea is the better player, such smart engagements
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This is so frustrating to watch. So many overextensions 
Why no widow mines? AAA
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LOL, so how can we explain that tilea lost 2:1 to capoch and is winning against illusion. with RANDOM wow. taht's sick
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Tilea is pretty good lol, but he needs hive tech wtf
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United States97276 Posts
Game 3
Belshir Vestige
Tilea > Illusion
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs Tilea game 3?Yes (5) 83% No (1) 17% If you have time (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs Tilea game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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Good action-packed series between Illusion and Tilea.
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Tilea is pretty impressive, I must say. Great with all three races as well.
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On June 22 2013 08:47 Undead1993 wrote:
LOL, so how can we explain that tilea lost 2:1 to capoch and is winning against illusion. with RANDOM wow. taht's sick
its not random.
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yea she's just straight up playing better now. first game she didn't and she's shown some macro issues, but her engagements were great in games 2 and 3.
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that was an amazing game. very very very entertaining.
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On June 22 2013 08:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:47 Undead1993 wrote:
LOL, so how can we explain that tilea lost 2:1 to capoch and is winning against illusion. with RANDOM wow. taht's sick its not random.
heh? liquipedia said she plays random, nvm then i guess :o
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On June 22 2013 08:49 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 22 2013 08:47 Undead1993 wrote:
LOL, so how can we explain that tilea lost 2:1 to capoch and is winning against illusion. with RANDOM wow. taht's sick its not random. heh? liquipedia said she plays random, nvm then i guess :o
She race picks Terran and Zerg because she doesnt feel comfortable as protoss yet.
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On June 22 2013 08:49 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:49 Undead1993 wrote:On June 22 2013 08:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 22 2013 08:47 Undead1993 wrote:
LOL, so how can we explain that tilea lost 2:1 to capoch and is winning against illusion. with RANDOM wow. taht's sick its not random. heh? liquipedia said she plays random, nvm then i guess :o She race picks Terran and Zerg because she doesnt feel comfortable as protoss yet.
ahhh i see still very surprising win at least to me
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Getting on bus home. OP will be unupdated for half an hour to forty five minutes.
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United States97276 Posts
(1302) HwangSin 0-0 Tilea (1297)
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25.24% 2-0 0-2 24.77%
25.12% 2-1 1-2 24.88%
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50.35% 49.65%
Median outcome: HwangSin 2-1 Tilea
Poll: HwangSin vs. Tilea?HwangSin (2) 50% Tilea (2) 50% 4 total votes Your vote: HwangSin vs. Tilea? (Vote): HwangSin
(Vote): Tilea
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United States97276 Posts
I guess the lesson of the day is that Hwangsin can hold baneling busts
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We are part of the Commonwealth.
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United States97276 Posts
Winners' match
Hwangsin > Tilea
Akilon Wastes
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?No (3) 60% Yes (1) 20% If you have time (1) 20% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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Tilea gets destroyed. MLG now playing "Easy", by Falcon Funk.
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i still dont think what tilea does should be allowed.
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So, Red Bull has been airing alongside WCS AM this whole time and they're beating them pretty badly, I thought no one was allowed to run big tournaments during WCS hours within the same region? Maybe they made an exception because this group was rescheduled.
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I think the prize pool for the red bull lan is low enough that it doens't have to schedule around WCS.
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United States97276 Posts
Whirlwind
Tilea > Hwangsin
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?Yes (5) 71% No (1) 14% If you have time (1) 14% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Wow, glad that Tilea didn't throw this game after all...
But damn, why not make an efficient army composition instead of throwing armies? Like, brood lord / infestor, it is not unbeatable anymore, but it is efficient!
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Tilea my great friend, stay strong please <3 you can do this<3<3
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On June 22 2013 09:10 Dodgin wrote:
So, Red Bull has been airing alongside WCS AM this whole time and they're beating them pretty badly, I thought no one was allowed to run big tournaments during WCS hours within the same region? Maybe they made an exception because this group was rescheduled.
Isn't it just an 8 man invitational? It probably falls under some form of loophole that allows this to happen.
Also if RedBull wants to dump money into Esports I think Blizzard should be more than on board and not even try and stop them
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On June 22 2013 09:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 09:10 Dodgin wrote:
So, Red Bull has been airing alongside WCS AM this whole time and they're beating them pretty badly, I thought no one was allowed to run big tournaments during WCS hours within the same region? Maybe they made an exception because this group was rescheduled. Isn't it just an 8 man invitational? It probably falls under some form of loophole that allows this to happen. Also if RedBull wants to dump money into Esports I think Blizzard should be more than on board and not even try and stop them
I agree, they shouldn't try to stop them, I'm glad they're allowed to broadcast. I just found it a bit weird that they're not enforcing the rules they set which forced NASL 5 to never happen.
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On June 22 2013 09:35 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 09:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 22 2013 09:10 Dodgin wrote:
So, Red Bull has been airing alongside WCS AM this whole time and they're beating them pretty badly, I thought no one was allowed to run big tournaments during WCS hours within the same region? Maybe they made an exception because this group was rescheduled. Isn't it just an 8 man invitational? It probably falls under some form of loophole that allows this to happen. Also if RedBull wants to dump money into Esports I think Blizzard should be more than on board and not even try and stop them I agree, they shouldn't try to stop them, I'm glad they're allowed to broadcast. I just found it a bit weird that they're not enforcing the rules they set which forced NASL 5 to never happen.
For some reason I remember there being a rule about $10,000 prize pool? Or is that the licensing thing? Red Bull is $5000 so it could be that.
The rescheduling thing you stated would probably make sense, too.
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On June 22 2013 09:36 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 09:35 Dodgin wrote:On June 22 2013 09:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 22 2013 09:10 Dodgin wrote:
So, Red Bull has been airing alongside WCS AM this whole time and they're beating them pretty badly, I thought no one was allowed to run big tournaments during WCS hours within the same region? Maybe they made an exception because this group was rescheduled. Isn't it just an 8 man invitational? It probably falls under some form of loophole that allows this to happen. Also if RedBull wants to dump money into Esports I think Blizzard should be more than on board and not even try and stop them I agree, they shouldn't try to stop them, I'm glad they're allowed to broadcast. I just found it a bit weird that they're not enforcing the rules they set which forced NASL 5 to never happen. For some reason I remember there being a rule about $10,000 prize pool? Or is that the licensing thing? Red Bull is $5000 so it could be that. The rescheduling thing you stated would probably make sense, too.
I think it also had to do with NASL being a long-running league instead of a one-off event, maybe?
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Anything with 10k prize pool or less can run any time.
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On June 22 2013 09:37 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 09:36 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 22 2013 09:35 Dodgin wrote:On June 22 2013 09:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 22 2013 09:10 Dodgin wrote:
So, Red Bull has been airing alongside WCS AM this whole time and they're beating them pretty badly, I thought no one was allowed to run big tournaments during WCS hours within the same region? Maybe they made an exception because this group was rescheduled. Isn't it just an 8 man invitational? It probably falls under some form of loophole that allows this to happen. Also if RedBull wants to dump money into Esports I think Blizzard should be more than on board and not even try and stop them I agree, they shouldn't try to stop them, I'm glad they're allowed to broadcast. I just found it a bit weird that they're not enforcing the rules they set which forced NASL 5 to never happen. For some reason I remember there being a rule about $10,000 prize pool? Or is that the licensing thing? Red Bull is $5000 so it could be that. The rescheduling thing you stated would probably make sense, too. I think it also had to do with NASL being a long-running league instead of a one-off event, maybe?
I thought Shoutcraft America had restricted broadcasted times too. Even though it wasnt one weekend it was still a relatively short event.
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On June 22 2013 09:35 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 09:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 22 2013 09:10 Dodgin wrote:
So, Red Bull has been airing alongside WCS AM this whole time and they're beating them pretty badly, I thought no one was allowed to run big tournaments during WCS hours within the same region? Maybe they made an exception because this group was rescheduled. Isn't it just an 8 man invitational? It probably falls under some form of loophole that allows this to happen. Also if RedBull wants to dump money into Esports I think Blizzard should be more than on board and not even try and stop them I agree, they shouldn't try to stop them, I'm glad they're allowed to broadcast. I just found it a bit weird that they're not enforcing the rules they set which forced NASL 5 to never happen.
NASL is also not an 8 man invitational. I think if they wanted to do something like that Blizz would have been more than happy to say they could. Its just the issue is that they would directly compete with viewers between WCS:AM and NASL where as the idea is that an 8 man invitational wouldn't compete with a full on league.
The only issue is that with more popular casters and players in the invitational than in this group, and that logic being flawed in the first place, more people are tuning in to RedBull's LAN
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United States97276 Posts
This could be the last slow ling all in on cloud kingdom we'll ever see in a televised match
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God the caster's banter is so dull.
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On June 22 2013 09:38 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Anything with 10k prize pool or less can run any time.
If I remember correctly, shoutcraft america had a lot of problems with scheduling around WCS AM, and their prize pool was 10k.
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Tilea has the weirdest ZvP I know of.
Macro macro macro, hold the push by losing a trillion resources, then, macro again!
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lol it's like watching fitzy when no one knew what to do with him. she still might lose but it was always weird hard to beat
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On June 22 2013 09:43 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 09:38 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Anything with 10k prize pool or less can run any time. If I remember correctly, shoutcraft america had a lot of problems with scheduling around WCS AM, and their prize pool was 10k.
jep before blizzard changed the cap from 5k to 10k. But maybe they also didn't wanted to hurt WCS and their tournament, especially with the final being at the MLG studio.
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i think ive never seen a worse engagement
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holy shit that's the dumbest engagement I've ever seen
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United States97276 Posts
Cloud Kingdom
Hwangsin > Tilea
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?No (4) 67% Yes (1) 17% If you have time (1) 17% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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What in the world was that...
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I wish Ret would still be a race picker, liked his Terran alot.
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lol. One mindset build loses to 2 base protoss micro. If you put any other master player in that position, up 4 bases ZvP...
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On June 22 2013 09:48 fezvez wrote:
Tilea has the weirdest ZvP I know of.
Macro macro macro, hold the push by losing a trillion resources, then, macro again!
The bad thing is that his macro isn't good. He grabs ridiculous amounts of hatcheries, but doesn't keep them injected, so he still has a larva problem and banks resources. His playstyle is really weird, so he's able to take games off better opponents the same way Catz does: By making them uncomfortable and exploiting the fact that they don't really know how to deal with the builds.
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United States97276 Posts
Ok some guy wanted LR for the suppy games?
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It's amusing, I get the feeling that Tilea is really confident in her macro, and in her midgame.
However, getting to the endgame is done in such a strange way. Mass banelings (which is a huge gas sink, and only works when the protoss makes a deathball and forcefield himself in) while upgrades and tech are way behind.
I mean, what was it? 5 bases, while +2/+2 was not even researched?
As shown, lair tech only can bring you this far.
And, one last thing that made me a sad panda : has in bank 3k minerals, doesn't make a single spine at the expansions...
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The fact that either Illusion or Suppy is getting eliminated from WCS this season makes me really unhappy.
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On June 22 2013 09:53 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 09:48 fezvez wrote:
Tilea has the weirdest ZvP I know of.
Macro macro macro, hold the push by losing a trillion resources, then, macro again! The bad thing is that his macro isn't good. He grabs ridiculous amounts of hatcheries, but doesn't keep them injected, so he still has a larva problem and banks resources. His playstyle is really weird, so he's able to take games off better opponents the same way Catz does: By making them uncomfortable and exploiting the fact that they don't really know how to deal with the builds.
You're incorrect on so many accounts.
First of all: she.
Her mass expand style is safe because terran and protoss can only apply so much pressure, and hatcheries don't die easily. It's just walking a tight rope, but totally safe.
The lack of injects has to do with all her queens being in the center of the map.
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On June 22 2013 09:55 fezvez wrote:
It's amusing, I get the feeling that Tilea is really confident in her macro, and in her midgame.
However, getting to the endgame is done in such a strange way. Mass banelings (which is a huge gas sink, and only works when the protoss makes a deathball and forcefield himself in) while upgrades and tech are way behind.
I mean, what was it? 5 bases, while +2/+2 was not even researched?
As shown, lair tech only can bring you this far.
And, one last thing that made me a sad panda : has in bank 3k minerals, doesn't make a single spine at the expansions...
Actually, I need a bit of clarification. Does Tilea identify as male or female? I might have been using the wrong pronouns.
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United States97276 Posts
(1393) Suppy 0-0 Illusion (1154)
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36.50% 2-0 0-2 15.67%
28.90% 2-1 1-2 18.93%
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65.40% 34.60%
Median outcome: Suppy 2-1 Illusion
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I was the one that wanted LR, but I have returned, I may actually LR it.
Also working on OP...
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United States97276 Posts
On June 22 2013 09:58 Froadac wrote:
I was the one that wanted LR, but I have returned, I may actually LR it.
Also working on OP...
Ok cool. I put the map and the winner in each post with the polls so hopefully that helps
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On June 22 2013 09:57 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 09:55 fezvez wrote:
It's amusing, I get the feeling that Tilea is really confident in her macro, and in her midgame.
However, getting to the endgame is done in such a strange way. Mass banelings (which is a huge gas sink, and only works when the protoss makes a deathball and forcefield himself in) while upgrades and tech are way behind.
I mean, what was it? 5 bases, while +2/+2 was not even researched?
As shown, lair tech only can bring you this far.
And, one last thing that made me a sad panda : has in bank 3k minerals, doesn't make a single spine at the expansions... Actually, I need a bit of clarification. Does Tilea identify as male or female? I might have been using the wrong pronouns.
The casters have been using she and http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Tilea uses she too.
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On June 22 2013 10:00 WorthlessSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 09:57 Bagration wrote:On June 22 2013 09:55 fezvez wrote:
It's amusing, I get the feeling that Tilea is really confident in her macro, and in her midgame.
However, getting to the endgame is done in such a strange way. Mass banelings (which is a huge gas sink, and only works when the protoss makes a deathball and forcefield himself in) while upgrades and tech are way behind.
I mean, what was it? 5 bases, while +2/+2 was not even researched?
As shown, lair tech only can bring you this far.
And, one last thing that made me a sad panda : has in bank 3k minerals, doesn't make a single spine at the expansions... Actually, I need a bit of clarification. Does Tilea identify as male or female? I might have been using the wrong pronouns. The casters have been using she and http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Tilea uses she too.
Is Tilea also like scarlett? Didn't know there was confusion.
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On June 22 2013 10:11 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 10:00 WorthlessSC wrote:On June 22 2013 09:57 Bagration wrote:On June 22 2013 09:55 fezvez wrote:
It's amusing, I get the feeling that Tilea is really confident in her macro, and in her midgame.
However, getting to the endgame is done in such a strange way. Mass banelings (which is a huge gas sink, and only works when the protoss makes a deathball and forcefield himself in) while upgrades and tech are way behind.
I mean, what was it? 5 bases, while +2/+2 was not even researched?
As shown, lair tech only can bring you this far.
And, one last thing that made me a sad panda : has in bank 3k minerals, doesn't make a single spine at the expansions... Actually, I need a bit of clarification. Does Tilea identify as male or female? I might have been using the wrong pronouns. The casters have been using she and http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Tilea uses she too. Is Tilea also like scarlett? Didn't know there was confusion.
From her blog: http://www.sc2sea.com/blogs/showentry.php?e=993&catid=member&entryuserid=10248
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?No (3) 100% Yes (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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OK. Gogosuppy.
Happy he won but illusion's signature DROPALOT style wasn't apparent.
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omg suppy floating so much money losing so many banelings for free
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my internet went out for a min when suppy looked like he was in a pretty bad spot. comes back to illusion on 7 scvs. what happened?
I guess it didnt matter overall
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?No (4) 100% Yes (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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why does this not stream on the ios twitch app :/
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Oh noes...gogogo suppy >_< really hope he can advance in the end.
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I'm not able to watch, how is it looking for suppy?
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he just suicided all of his infestors
but he has a huge bank
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wtf, what a blunder by suppy
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He killed the 4th though so he'll probably be ok
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Sucks that one of these two is gonna drop out of WCS entirely. Suppy could go from ro16 premier to out in a single season.
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Suppy is ahead in mining, supply, and a big bank. He should win here unless he blunders hard
illusion is dead
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?Yes (2) 50% No (2) 50% If you have time (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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I cannot fucking believe Illusion just got eliminated from WCS. Fucking god damnit
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On June 22 2013 11:05 Bagration wrote:
I cannot fucking believe Illusion just got eliminated from WCS. Fucking god damnit
My reaction is " thank god Suppy isn't eliminated from WCS "
It's a cruel world.
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On June 22 2013 11:07 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 11:05 Bagration wrote:
I cannot fucking believe Illusion just got eliminated from WCS. Fucking god damnit My reaction is " thank god Suppy isn't eliminated from WCS " It's a cruel world.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for Suppy, and if it were anybody else, I'd be cheering for him. But it's a cruel twist of chance to see Illusion fall like this.
It's been a tough day for the ex-Vile guys
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I'm sure Illusion will have a good shot of requalifying. He just has to dodge HyuN and Center
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I think it definitely deserves its own thread. I'll do it.
edit: actually I have to go out, if someone else hasn't done it by the time I'm home I'll do it then.
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Good luck Suppy, even if Illusion is eliminated, at least you can make Premier.
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Was Tilea formerly a male?
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Wait, why did Suppy not keep attacking the bunker?
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pls also win game2 suppy this horrible^^
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Ok that was a pretty sexy bait for Suppy, baiting the marines to come up to snipe the vulnerable spine crawler, only to have all of the ling reinforcements surround Tilea's marines
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Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 1?If you have time (2) 50% No (2) 50% Yes (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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That it was Darth.
Suppy, just win one more and stop scaring me.
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On June 22 2013 11:18 inbox24 wrote:
Was Tilea formerly a male?
Tilea is transgender
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Been watching these WCS AMs a couple of nights now and I'm really starting to like the casting.
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fml why is this bullshit allowed this makes me so mad
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Is Twitch down for everyone or just me?
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no works fine for me.
suppy should dronepull
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On June 22 2013 11:26 -Kaiser- wrote:
Is Twitch down for everyone or just me?
Just you. still working for me
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Broken / "down for maintenance" for me as well...
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On June 22 2013 11:26 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 11:26 -Kaiser- wrote:
Is Twitch down for everyone or just me?
Just you. still working for me
If you already have it running it's fine. If you try to start it it will be down.
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Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?Yes (1) 100% No (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 1 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?Yes (2) 100% No (0) 0% If you have time (0) 0% 2 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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That was a weird game lol. Feel sort of bad Tilea had to go down that way but yay suppy!!
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Twitch is down for me as well
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yeah sucks because i wanna switch to redbull now but its not working :D
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Yeah Suppy!!! 
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gratz to hwangsin and suppy! a bit sad for illusion though ;;
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Did Tilea play zerg in all the games except the first one against Suppy?
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On June 22 2013 21:04 Wodger wrote:
Did Tilea play zerg in all the games except the first one against Suppy?
yes
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This is how Aligulac would rank the players in the premier division in a big round robin group
+ Show Spoiler + 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 21st 22nd 23rd 24th 25th 26th 27th 28th 29th 30th 31st 32nd
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viOLet 38.83% 20.47% 13.47% 8.20% 5.87% 3.47% 2.83% 2.40% 1.27% 1.13% 0.77% 0.40% 0.50% 0.10% 0.10% 0.10% 0.03% 0.07% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Polt 15.60% 16.40% 14.43% 12.17% 8.57% 7.73% 6.10% 5.78% 4.11% 2.78% 2.07% 1.40% 0.90% 0.70% 0.37% 0.20% 0.40% 0.17% 0.07% 0.03% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
HerO 13.47% 15.53% 13.27% 12.17% 9.80% 8.10% 7.10% 4.70% 4.07% 3.73% 2.53% 1.47% 1.53% 0.70% 0.67% 0.40% 0.33% 0.23% 0.13% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
TaeJa 10.07% 11.07% 12.30% 10.63% 10.57% 9.70% 8.50% 6.43% 4.50% 4.60% 3.73% 2.10% 1.40% 0.97% 1.23% 0.53% 0.47% 0.43% 0.33% 0.13% 0.23% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
NesTea 5.10% 7.77% 8.40% 9.57% 9.50% 9.07% 8.51% 8.11% 7.28% 6.30% 4.50% 4.00% 2.93% 2.70% 1.70% 1.54% 0.69% 0.87% 0.40% 0.30% 0.27% 0.20% 0.10% 0.07% 0.07% 0.03% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Jaedong 4.50% 4.93% 6.83% 8.87% 8.70% 9.83% 8.33% 9.27% 7.63% 6.64% 5.15% 4.52% 3.45% 2.83% 2.43% 1.87% 1.10% 1.03% 0.43% 0.33% 0.47% 0.30% 0.20% 0.10% 0.10% 0.07% 0.03% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Scarlett 2.90% 5.43% 5.47% 7.13% 8.13% 7.83% 8.83% 8.20% 8.47% 7.43% 6.38% 5.41% 4.08% 3.67% 2.63% 2.10% 1.57% 1.13% 1.03% 0.83% 0.47% 0.23% 0.27% 0.17% 0.10% 0.10% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Jim 2.50% 4.63% 5.53% 6.87% 7.70% 8.43% 8.53% 8.40% 8.00% 7.64% 6.55% 5.62% 4.71% 3.69% 3.12% 2.21% 1.91% 1.25% 0.90% 0.87% 0.40% 0.10% 0.23% 0.10% 0.03% 0.00% 0.03% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Alicia 2.40% 4.03% 6.30% 6.80% 7.47% 7.77% 8.40% 7.60% 8.43% 7.63% 6.14% 6.01% 5.18% 3.81% 3.18% 2.39% 1.65% 1.95% 0.85% 0.70% 0.43% 0.27% 0.37% 0.07% 0.00% 0.13% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Snute 2.13% 3.43% 5.13% 6.13% 6.87% 7.07% 8.21% 7.08% 8.21% 8.50% 6.94% 6.51% 4.58% 3.90% 4.27% 2.73% 2.23% 1.50% 1.07% 0.80% 0.83% 0.53% 0.40% 0.50% 0.23% 0.13% 0.03% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Ryung 1.93% 4.27% 5.37% 6.17% 7.97% 7.77% 8.43% 8.64% 7.74% 6.85% 6.80% 5.97% 4.87% 3.88% 2.81% 2.51% 2.30% 1.57% 1.20% 0.90% 0.57% 0.58% 0.32% 0.27% 0.20% 0.10% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
TheStC 0.23% 0.37% 0.70% 1.23% 1.87% 2.83% 2.68% 4.13% 5.29% 5.34% 6.43% 6.50% 6.87% 7.10% 6.27% 5.73% 6.38% 5.58% 4.91% 4.37% 3.37% 3.27% 2.33% 1.87% 1.50% 0.80% 0.83% 0.60% 0.43% 0.07% 0.13% 0.00%
aLive 0.10% 0.57% 0.70% 1.07% 1.83% 2.50% 2.63% 3.60% 4.63% 4.47% 5.64% 6.65% 6.71% 6.83% 6.70% 6.10% 5.58% 5.48% 4.91% 4.27% 4.71% 3.01% 2.40% 2.61% 1.78% 1.38% 1.17% 1.13% 0.33% 0.30% 0.07% 0.13%
Revival 0.10% 0.23% 0.43% 0.63% 1.03% 1.50% 1.91% 3.21% 2.91% 4.13% 4.67% 6.50% 6.23% 7.33% 6.60% 7.20% 6.23% 5.88% 5.68% 4.71% 4.44% 3.81% 3.39% 3.21% 2.41% 1.85% 1.64% 0.79% 0.70% 0.27% 0.27% 0.10%
Sage 0.10% 0.17% 0.40% 0.73% 0.93% 1.57% 2.21% 2.08% 3.68% 3.97% 5.25% 5.68% 7.01% 6.58% 6.28% 7.34% 6.54% 5.48% 5.68% 4.81% 4.72% 4.53% 4.10% 2.67% 1.80% 1.70% 1.60% 0.93% 0.60% 0.43% 0.33% 0.10%
CranK 0.03% 0.13% 0.30% 0.30% 0.73% 1.10% 1.60% 1.57% 2.37% 3.10% 4.11% 4.34% 5.42% 6.45% 7.14% 6.43% 6.03% 5.41% 6.48% 6.64% 5.53% 5.20% 4.71% 3.67% 3.32% 2.54% 1.98% 1.35% 0.97% 0.53% 0.37% 0.13%
MacSed 0.00% 0.23% 0.43% 0.33% 1.10% 1.60% 1.52% 2.48% 3.37% 3.63% 4.18% 4.84% 6.61% 5.77% 6.08% 7.30% 6.38% 6.01% 6.20% 5.14% 5.28% 4.45% 3.98% 3.62% 2.50% 2.03% 1.70% 1.40% 0.97% 0.53% 0.20% 0.13%
DeMusliM 0.00% 0.13% 0.30% 0.23% 0.23% 0.27% 0.83% 1.23% 1.37% 1.83% 2.90% 3.31% 3.45% 4.58% 5.00% 5.60% 6.53% 5.64% 5.94% 6.61% 7.07% 6.01% 6.25% 5.06% 4.95% 4.08% 3.65% 2.27% 2.30% 1.10% 0.83% 0.43%
Suppy 0.00% 0.07% 0.00% 0.10% 0.00% 0.17% 0.13% 0.40% 0.73% 1.03% 1.70% 1.93% 2.57% 3.27% 3.23% 3.67% 5.07% 5.97% 5.10% 6.41% 5.93% 5.54% 6.59% 7.33% 6.60% 6.45% 5.19% 5.25% 3.80% 3.03% 1.73% 1.00%
Oz 0.00% 0.03% 0.17% 0.27% 0.50% 0.60% 0.90% 2.13% 1.83% 3.07% 3.70% 4.32% 4.94% 5.74% 5.87% 7.23% 6.20% 6.87% 5.77% 5.87% 6.31% 5.21% 4.58% 4.32% 3.76% 2.58% 2.27% 2.01% 1.24% 1.05% 0.43% 0.23%
HwangSin 0.00% 0.03% 0.03% 0.10% 0.20% 0.23% 0.50% 0.67% 1.00% 1.05% 1.88% 2.27% 3.37% 3.30% 4.37% 4.07% 5.14% 5.58% 6.48% 5.90% 5.33% 6.20% 6.63% 5.80% 6.53% 5.87% 5.40% 4.17% 3.08% 2.68% 1.40% 0.73%
HuK 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.03% 0.10% 0.27% 0.33% 0.30% 0.40% 0.97% 1.77% 1.77% 2.73% 2.93% 4.23% 3.80% 4.80% 5.57% 6.30% 6.50% 5.98% 6.91% 6.64% 6.72% 6.26% 5.92% 5.17% 4.97% 4.00% 2.30% 1.67% 0.63%
XY 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.13% 0.07% 0.30% 0.33% 0.33% 0.80% 1.07% 1.17% 1.93% 2.03% 2.87% 3.30% 3.93% 3.53% 6.17% 5.17% 6.90% 6.88% 7.06% 7.22% 8.37% 7.43% 6.97% 6.00% 4.50% 3.30% 2.17%
mOOnGLaDe 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.23% 0.27% 0.17% 0.70% 0.83% 1.57% 2.70% 3.20% 3.70% 4.20% 4.80% 5.53% 5.87% 6.33% 6.60% 6.13% 6.31% 6.21% 5.64% 4.74% 5.06% 4.56% 3.77% 3.37% 2.48% 2.41% 1.64% 0.67% 0.27%
MajOr 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.10% 0.00% 0.07% 0.17% 0.33% 0.65% 1.24% 1.34% 1.57% 2.25% 2.71% 2.64% 3.47% 5.47% 4.83% 5.20% 5.57% 6.30% 6.99% 7.57% 8.77% 7.21% 7.28% 6.35% 5.44% 4.20% 2.27%
Apocalypse 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.07% 0.10% 0.17% 0.13% 0.50% 0.53% 0.77% 1.20% 1.57% 1.97% 2.80% 2.77% 3.70% 4.47% 4.51% 6.17% 6.52% 6.60% 6.53% 8.03% 8.27% 8.30% 8.43% 7.40% 5.10% 3.37%
Top 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.13% 0.13% 0.23% 0.33% 0.43% 0.83% 1.47% 1.96% 2.38% 2.67% 3.23% 3.79% 5.14% 4.78% 5.75% 6.70% 7.08% 7.19% 7.18% 7.51% 6.74% 7.31% 5.81% 4.94% 3.08% 2.23% 0.97%
neeb 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.07% 0.00% 0.03% 0.10% 0.20% 0.23% 0.37% 0.33% 0.57% 0.73% 1.37% 1.77% 2.20% 2.35% 3.01% 4.14% 4.43% 4.85% 5.74% 7.17% 7.61% 9.01% 9.35% 9.38% 9.88% 8.97% 6.13%
Minigun 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.13% 0.53% 0.40% 0.73% 0.87% 1.20% 1.93% 1.35% 2.96% 3.85% 3.95% 5.38% 6.44% 7.47% 8.53% 10.38% 11.61% 11.91% 11.30% 8.97%
theognis 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.10% 0.07% 0.03% 0.10% 0.20% 0.37% 0.37% 0.70% 1.00% 0.93% 1.80% 2.50% 3.33% 5.00% 6.90% 9.53% 14.80% 20.70% 31.53%
puCK 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.07% 0.03% 0.30% 0.10% 0.60% 0.43% 1.00% 1.07% 1.23% 1.79% 3.08% 3.44% 4.48% 5.88% 6.88% 9.42% 11.74% 14.44% 16.93% 17.07%
ViBE 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.07% 0.17% 0.07% 0.23% 0.40% 0.87% 0.50% 0.85% 1.18% 2.07% 2.58% 3.84% 4.22% 6.23% 8.15% 11.14% 14.61% 19.17% 23.63%
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I'm not sure I think that's terribly accurate. Aligulac tends to do better on groups of like four or six but past that i lack confidence.
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On June 23 2013 07:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
This is how Aligulac would rank the players in the premier division in a big round robin group
You're trying to kill my server I see. 
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LOL wtf Shellshock. Nice one.
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WCS America![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6wl40.png)
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Suppy vs. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/3/36/Kr.png)
HwangSin
Illusion vs. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/c/c4/Nz.png)
Tilea![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png)
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