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On May 23 2013 18:47 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:45 Breach_hu wrote:On May 23 2013 18:44 Kreb wrote:On May 23 2013 18:41 Breach_hu wrote:
he decides to send the drones inot the main and lings to the rax. lol even a lowmaster knows, send back drones to mine and kill terrans economy. what the heck. Well, he could fly his CC to the bunker location if he allows it to get up. He'll get some SCVs killed but mineralwalking SCVs takes a long time to kill for slowlings. He'd lose a lot mining time having to fly the CC across the map though, not sure who'd come out ahead then. If Symbol would send his drones back to home asap, then he will be ahead for sure. Not at all. If he suicides his lings on SCVs he then loses to Marines because he has nothing at home (or he's stuck on 6 drones building lings while Terran has the MULE working). He had only bad moves to make because it was a build order loss.
To be honest, best hop might of been to stop ling production, get a queen and 2 spines then try to drone up behind that. But he would of been way behind anyway.
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On May 23 2013 18:49 DustbinBieber wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:43 Jerom wrote:
The scary thing is that Innovation doesn't just look OP when playing macro, he also is invincible when cheesing.
I think he might be the best player ever (yes, I'm sorry for that :D) Wow, chill out. Though it's true I haven't seen such utter domination in one match-up by anyone on SC2 yet.
Nestea vs zerg? Inca vs protoss?
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On May 23 2013 18:46 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:45 glzElectromaster wrote:On May 23 2013 18:44 mememolly wrote:
was Innovation good in BW? He was decent, but was a joke compared to giants like Flash, Nada, even Firebathero when he was on fire around 2007. He was looking really good towards the end. No clue why you mentioned firebathero... Bogus was a top 5 terran towards the end of BW.
Yeah he was still a regular player in proleague till the very end, so he was good. He wasn't a star, but he can be qualified as "good" yes =)
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On May 23 2013 18:48 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Since when 2 rax vs 6 pool is a build order win?! I can't believe I read this...
Hm, I'd say it is a bit T favored in case of drone pull.
But it still has been a winable situation. Which he threw by banging his zergling head against the terran wall instead of locating and killing the raxes.
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On May 23 2013 18:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:45 Big J wrote:disappointed in that series. Two BO-wins so far  Bad Austrian, bad :D.
those fuckin Austrians man
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On May 23 2013 18:49 DustbinBieber wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:43 Jerom wrote:
The scary thing is that Innovation doesn't just look OP when playing macro, he also is invincible when cheesing.
I think he might be the best player ever (yes, I'm sorry for that :D) Wow, chill out. Though it's true I haven't seen such utter domination in one match-up by anyone on SC2 yet.
nestea was legit unbeatable in ZvZ for like a solid year
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On May 23 2013 18:48 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Since when 2 rax vs 6 pool is a build order win?! I can't believe I read this...
Since forever?
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On May 23 2013 18:48 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:46 TheDwf wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 Big J wrote:disappointed in that series. Two BO-wins so far What?? How on earth the first game was a "build order win"? 3CC with a drop and no defense at all gave Innovation a 20-40supply lead in the midgame. It was just a 10min death animation, as Symbol refused to make a mistake.
not scouting and properly react != build order win. Neither was it a sure win even if Inno was ahead
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On May 23 2013 18:48 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Since when 2 rax vs 6 pool is a build order win?! I can't believe I read this...
if the 6pooler goes for the raxes, you kill anything that enters your base with scvs, finish a wall and counterrepair.
if the 6pooler goes for the base, you lift your CC, fly it over to your raxes and win with or without a bunker.
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On May 23 2013 18:49 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:48 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Since when 2 rax vs 6 pool is a build order win?! I can't believe I read this... Since ... ever?
If you have 4 lings near your rax before marines and the rest on your SCV I would love to see you wining.
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On May 23 2013 18:49 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 Breach_hu wrote:On May 23 2013 18:44 Kreb wrote:On May 23 2013 18:41 Breach_hu wrote:
he decides to send the drones inot the main and lings to the rax. lol even a lowmaster knows, send back drones to mine and kill terrans economy. what the heck. Well, he could fly his CC to the bunker location if he allows it to get up. He'll get some SCVs killed but mineralwalking SCVs takes a long time to kill for slowlings. He'd lose a lot mining time having to fly the CC across the map though, not sure who'd come out ahead then. If Symbol would send his drones back to home asap, then he will be ahead for sure. Not at all. If he suicides his lings on SCVs he then loses to Marines because he has nothing at home (or he's stuck on 6 drones building lings while Terran has the MULE working). He had only bad moves to make because it was a build order loss. Say he scouts the SCV going to build rax. He then sends a couple of lings to deal with the building SCVs while the rest attacks the main base of Innovation. Does he win? (honest question)
Had symbol went straight to the proxy rax with his lings he would have won. Those rax wouldn't have finished (and wouldn't have mattered) if symbol had knew the 2 rax was there which he should have guessed something funky when an scv goes by that early in the game. Symbol just made awful decision making tbh once he realized proxy rax.
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On May 23 2013 18:49 DustbinBieber wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:43 Jerom wrote:
The scary thing is that Innovation doesn't just look OP when playing macro, he also is invincible when cheesing.
I think he might be the best player ever (yes, I'm sorry for that :D) Wow, chill out. Though it's true I haven't seen such utter domination in one match-up by anyone on SC2 yet.
Mvp's TvT was pretty close at one point, aside from the occasional MMA/Polt wreckage.
Or Oz's PvP 
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On May 23 2013 18:50 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 Big J wrote:disappointed in that series. Two BO-wins so far Bad Austrian, bad :D. those fuckin Austrians man
Your country sucks!
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Innovation to double proxy rax again. He was disappointed he couldn't properly execute it last game so he will do it again.
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On May 23 2013 18:46 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:44 Khaldor wrote:
Innovation got a build order win, game 2 is not nearly as big of a deal as people in here make it out to be If Symbol realizes that Innovation is going 2 rax, he can deny the production and just win. It's not a sure BO win.
Indeed. Especially since innovation mind-gamed symbol into believing that he was taking an expansion.
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On May 23 2013 18:49 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 Breach_hu wrote:On May 23 2013 18:44 Kreb wrote:On May 23 2013 18:41 Breach_hu wrote:
he decides to send the drones inot the main and lings to the rax. lol even a lowmaster knows, send back drones to mine and kill terrans economy. what the heck. Well, he could fly his CC to the bunker location if he allows it to get up. He'll get some SCVs killed but mineralwalking SCVs takes a long time to kill for slowlings. He'd lose a lot mining time having to fly the CC across the map though, not sure who'd come out ahead then. If Symbol would send his drones back to home asap, then he will be ahead for sure. Not at all. If he suicides his lings on SCVs he then loses to Marines because he has nothing at home (or he's stuck on 6 drones building lings while Terran has the MULE working). He had only bad moves to make because it was a build order loss. Say he scouts the SCV going to build rax. He then sends a couple of lings to deal with the building SCVs while the rest attacks the main base of Innovation. Does he win? (honest question)
How does he scout the rax while going for a 6 pool ffs ? --"
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Even if symbol went straight for scvs he would of lost only thing that might have saved him if noticing that scv and something in him said "ok thats a 12 rax" but that's such tiny thing to realise that near impossible. innovation is just the perfect player.
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On May 23 2013 18:48 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:46 TheDwf wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 Big J wrote:disappointed in that series. Two BO-wins so far What?? How on earth the first game was a "build order win"? 3CC with a drop and no defense at all gave Innovation a 20-40supply lead in the midgame. It was just a 10min death animation, as Symbol refused to make a mistake.
What? Because Symbol repeatedly missed his Medivac on the minimap and lost 8 drones, it was a "build order loss"?
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I really wanna see Symbol go Nydus, but I feel like Innovation has to be prepared for that, so idk if it would be the best choice...
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