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On May 23 2013 18:51 Swiipii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:49 DJHelium wrote:On May 23 2013 18:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 Breach_hu wrote:On May 23 2013 18:44 Kreb wrote:On May 23 2013 18:41 Breach_hu wrote:
he decides to send the drones inot the main and lings to the rax. lol even a lowmaster knows, send back drones to mine and kill terrans economy. what the heck. Well, he could fly his CC to the bunker location if he allows it to get up. He'll get some SCVs killed but mineralwalking SCVs takes a long time to kill for slowlings. He'd lose a lot mining time having to fly the CC across the map though, not sure who'd come out ahead then. If Symbol would send his drones back to home asap, then he will be ahead for sure. Not at all. If he suicides his lings on SCVs he then loses to Marines because he has nothing at home (or he's stuck on 6 drones building lings while Terran has the MULE working). He had only bad moves to make because it was a build order loss. Say he scouts the SCV going to build rax. He then sends a couple of lings to deal with the building SCVs while the rest attacks the main base of Innovation. Does he win? (honest question) How does he scout the rax while going for a 6 pool ffs ? --"
He did send out a drone and he did spot the SCV.
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On May 23 2013 18:52 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:51 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On May 23 2013 18:50 Schelim wrote:On May 23 2013 18:48 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 Big J wrote:disappointed in that series. Two BO-wins so far  Bad Austrian, bad :D. those fuckin Austrians man Arent you supposed to go studying? i'm about to leave dad. oida 
Thats mah boi.
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On May 23 2013 18:52 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:51 Type|NarutO wrote:
But its funny people blame BoguS for the bo-win. Isn't it Symbol who wanted to have a bo-win? -_- who the hell is blaming bogus??? ugh the stupidity
Read the thread
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On May 23 2013 18:52 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:49 ppshchik wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 RowdierBob wrote:On May 23 2013 18:44 mememolly wrote:
was Innovation good in BW? He was good without being great. A solid A team player but no star. Probably 3rd best Terran towards the end of Broodwar. No shame when you're the best after Fantasy and Flash. Leta and Sea are overrated by their fans in TL. Sea fell off and Leta could only 2 port wraith Flash. I would hesitate to call Bogus the third ranking Terran after Fantasy and Flash though.. KT had a couple other Terrans iirc. To respond to various other comments, Bogus in BW was a solid A teamer. Good for Proleague but nothing really compared to Fantasy/Flash.
Mind was terrible at the end of BW, and Barracks has always been terrible.
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On May 23 2013 18:43 Jerom wrote:
The scary thing is that Innovation doesn't just look OP when playing macro, he also is invincible when cheesing.
I think he might be the best player ever (yes, I'm sorry for that :D)
Yeah, he hasn't won anything special and he's already the best RTS player ever. Nice logic.  When a player wins, they tend to seem better than they are. Also, no one is invincible.
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On May 23 2013 18:51 Type|NarutO wrote:
But its funny people blame BoguS for the bo-win. Isn't it Symbol who wanted to have a bo-win? -_-
No one's blaming Bogus o_o People just want to see a better series .
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On May 23 2013 18:51 Swiipii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:49 DJHelium wrote:On May 23 2013 18:47 TheDwf wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 Breach_hu wrote:On May 23 2013 18:44 Kreb wrote:On May 23 2013 18:41 Breach_hu wrote:
he decides to send the drones inot the main and lings to the rax. lol even a lowmaster knows, send back drones to mine and kill terrans economy. what the heck. Well, he could fly his CC to the bunker location if he allows it to get up. He'll get some SCVs killed but mineralwalking SCVs takes a long time to kill for slowlings. He'd lose a lot mining time having to fly the CC across the map though, not sure who'd come out ahead then. If Symbol would send his drones back to home asap, then he will be ahead for sure. Not at all. If he suicides his lings on SCVs he then loses to Marines because he has nothing at home (or he's stuck on 6 drones building lings while Terran has the MULE working). He had only bad moves to make because it was a build order loss. Say he scouts the SCV going to build rax. He then sends a couple of lings to deal with the building SCVs while the rest attacks the main base of Innovation. Does he win? (honest question) How does he scout the rax while going for a 6 pool ffs ? --"
6 pool often sends an early drone scout to give the appearance of standard + block a possible wall. In this case his drone saw the second SCV heading south.
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Nestea's 90%+ vs zerg for roughly 7-8 months is the only comparison I can see to Innovation's TvZ at the moment
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On May 23 2013 18:52 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:49 DJHelium wrote:On May 23 2013 18:49 DustbinBieber wrote:On May 23 2013 18:43 Jerom wrote:
The scary thing is that Innovation doesn't just look OP when playing macro, he also is invincible when cheesing.
I think he might be the best player ever (yes, I'm sorry for that :D) Wow, chill out. Though it's true I haven't seen such utter domination in one match-up by anyone on SC2 yet. Nestea vs zerg? Inca vs protoss? Hey hey, ease up, youre taking credit away from the best RTS player of all time
Like what u did there :D
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Wasn't bogus that terran who used a worker bug on ramp against bisu ?
edit: or hiya. I vaguely remember a controversy during a PL game.
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On May 23 2013 18:53 Swiipii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:51 Type|NarutO wrote:
But its funny people blame BoguS for the bo-win. Isn't it Symbol who wanted to have a bo-win? -_- No one's blaming Bogus o_o People just want to see a better series .
It's better than the other semi already at least
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religion
so close to calling him a god
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On May 23 2013 18:53 Swiipii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:51 Type|NarutO wrote:
But its funny people blame BoguS for the bo-win. Isn't it Symbol who wanted to have a bo-win? -_- No one's blaming Bogus o_o People just want to see a better series .
Game 1 was a good game. Not BoguS fault for Symbol not being able to keep up.
Game 2 was bo-win, but it could have been different if it wasn't for a 6pool.
Still games left. Some good cheese can be good for a series.
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On May 23 2013 18:52 DustbinBieber wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:49 DJHelium wrote:On May 23 2013 18:49 DustbinBieber wrote:On May 23 2013 18:43 Jerom wrote:
The scary thing is that Innovation doesn't just look OP when playing macro, he also is invincible when cheesing.
I think he might be the best player ever (yes, I'm sorry for that :D) Wow, chill out. Though it's true I haven't seen such utter domination in one match-up by anyone on SC2 yet. Nestea vs zerg? Inca vs protoss? Nestea in ZvZ when no Zerg but him knew how to play the game? Please. Inca vs P wasn't that dominant and chiefly won thanks to bullshit builds. I'd argue that Bogus is currently closer to Bisu vZ and SaviOr vT.
lol... good lord.
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On May 23 2013 18:53 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Wasn't bogus that terran who used a worker bug on ramp against bisu ?
Maybe you're thinking of ForGG vs nal_ra
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On May 23 2013 18:52 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:51 jackdaleaper wrote:On May 23 2013 18:46 blade55555 wrote:On May 23 2013 18:45 Qikz wrote:
Just imagine if for one second Symbol had checked that watch tower. He would have killed the rax. He should have been suspicious of it considering his drone went by the scv that early. No good terran scouts that early with an scv was a huge giveaway imo that it was a proxy 2 rax or proxy rax at least. Off topic, but at what time does Terran send an scv scout? I've had a lot of games where I'm not quite sure if I see an scv and if it's going out a little too early and I should be suspicious or if the timing is standard. It's normally after you plant a 15 hatch. I don't know the exact time but it's after that for a normal scout.
Thanks! Good to know.
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I would say roach/bane all in, but that seems really obvious on this map
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On May 23 2013 18:52 DustbinBieber wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:49 DJHelium wrote:On May 23 2013 18:49 DustbinBieber wrote:On May 23 2013 18:43 Jerom wrote:
The scary thing is that Innovation doesn't just look OP when playing macro, he also is invincible when cheesing.
I think he might be the best player ever (yes, I'm sorry for that :D) Wow, chill out. Though it's true I haven't seen such utter domination in one match-up by anyone on SC2 yet. Nestea vs zerg? Inca vs protoss? Nestea in ZvZ when no Zerg but him knew how to play the game? Please. Inca vs P wasn't that dominant and chiefly won thanks to bullshit builds. I'd argue that Bogus is currently closer to Bisu vZ and SaviOr vT.
If no-one else but Nestea knew how to play zerg, that would just confirm my statement that his ZvZ was dominating, wouldn't it?
Both of them had over 90% win rate, if that's not dominating I'm not sure what is.
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On May 23 2013 18:53 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 18:52 ThomasR wrote:On May 23 2013 18:51 Type|NarutO wrote:
But its funny people blame BoguS for the bo-win. Isn't it Symbol who wanted to have a bo-win? -_- who the hell is blaming bogus??? ugh the stupidity Read the thread
On May 23 2013 18:42 DemigodcelpH wrote:
INNOVATION SO SMART.
Tricking him into CC first LOL.
On May 23 2013 18:42 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Innovation is so smart, damn!!
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