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JBright
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yFcTvqs.jpg) Banner by BisuDagger Sunday, May 12 5:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Round_5 ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/3/30/Writers_Icon.png/15px-Writers_Icon.png){kind=icon} ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r9ZH0.png) ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/c/c6/Uk.png) twitch.tv | youtube | ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/3/36/Kr.png) youtube![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ufhoR.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LBr19.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oBSiY.png)  Dear <Akilon Wastes> Zest<Naro Station> <New Fighting Spirit> <Korhal Floating Island> <Bel'Shir Vestige> <Whirlwind> <Neo Planet S> ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png) + Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] + + Show Spoiler [Overall Results] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3wcCS.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WdLE8.png) + Show Spoiler + | ||
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KT PUZZLE AK!!! | ||
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by: BisuDagger | ||
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On May 12 2013 14:10 Arceus wrote: This poll will do better when more ppl then just me make banners lol. | ||
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On May 12 2013 14:36 ZenithM wrote: All aboard the STX vs KT thread :D Did you make it? edit: I just noticed this thread was missing something... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YNHPevG.jpg) | ||
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Dodgin
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Ahh careful Bisudagger, if we do that the mods are going to start putting up notes about no Bisu pictures again. | ||
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rj rl
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Flash seems to be the Sith lord and Bogus is his apprentice. | ||
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On May 12 2013 14:39 Dodgin wrote: The train has arrived at the station Ahh careful Bisudagger, if we do that the mods are going to start putting up notes about no Bisu pictures again. Oh I know, it's only for how epic today was. | ||
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On May 12 2013 14:42 rj rl wrote: Wow da banner, sick city man I give you all the possible props albeit you're KT antifan probably Flash seems to be the Sith lord and Bogus is his apprentice.On May 12 2013 14:45 RKC wrote: Sick banner! Thanks but I got give some cred to disciple for the flash portion. THAT"S RIGHT KT FANS DISCIPLE contributed to a KT banner! lol. | ||
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Laryleprakon
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Innovation vs Flash ace match would be amazing. | ||
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rj rl
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On May 12 2013 14:46 BisuDagger wrote: Thanks but I got give some cred to disciple for the flash portion. THAT"S RIGHT KT FANS DISCIPLE contributed to a KT banner! lol. the phenomenon of Bisu winning yields miracles! | ||
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Taipoka
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Well, gogo Flash x Innovation. maybe a Bo7 between them? | ||
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On May 12 2013 14:53 Taipoka wrote: Gogo Bisu. o wait. Wrong thread. Well, gogo Flash x Innovation. maybe a Bo7 between them? There's never a wrong thread for Bisu. | ||
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LegalLord
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Nosepass is so BW He is now: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/probopass.jpg) | ||
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Well I don't know what happened but he won. | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:11 Kommander wrote: Why is everyone still shitting on PvP? It's much better in HotS. Because it's nearly every game. | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:11 Kommander wrote: Why is everyone still shitting on PvP? It's much better in HotS. sometimes. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On May 12 2013 15:10 Garnet wrote: why didn't Dear just retreat after killing the M.Core. He killed some probes too. Behind on gas and would lose another 2 pylons immediately. He was in a pretty bad position. Zest could expo and still have a better army. and wth, why are you trying to snipe KT's PvP sniper with a toss .......... | ||
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ZenithM
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On May 12 2013 15:10 ZenithM wrote: Well at least that was out of the way fast. Hoping for a non-PvP now :D Silly me :| | ||
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Arceus
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Stats & Classic say hi. Moar mirrors | ||
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Dodgin
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On May 12 2013 15:18 nobodywonder wrote: its so empty...:/ All the SKT fans went home, sorry about that. | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:18 Caihead wrote: Stats is round 4 mvp? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EsrrMhvl.png?1) | ||
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slowbacontron
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On May 12 2013 15:18 Caihead wrote: Stats is round 4 mvp? Yes, he went like 5-2 or something but got no attention. | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:18 nobodywonder wrote: its so empty...:/ it looks decent imo. The front rows are not empty, and Im sure people tend to gather in the back more | ||
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edit: forgot it's PvP... | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:28 ThomasR wrote: pvp not worth the time if you aren't a protoss player looking to steal build orders/improve your pvp Based on your logic, ZvZ and TvT aren't worth your time if you're not a zerg/terran player looking to steal build orders/improve your ZvZ/TvT. | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:31 Kommander wrote: Based on your logic, ZvZ and TvT aren't worth your time if you're not a zerg/terran player looking to steal build orders/improve your ZvZ/TvT. not sure if stupid i'm a zerg player, but i find that TvT's are fun to watch PvP's are not | ||
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Yorke
England881 Posts
20 minutes of nothing then done in one battle, great game design | ||
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Scarecrow
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On May 12 2013 15:31 Kommander wrote: Based on your logic, ZvZ and TvT aren't worth your time if you're not a zerg/terran player looking to steal build orders/improve your ZvZ/TvT. He's not talking about the other mirrors. TvT has entertainment value but PvP is pretty devoid of any benefits besides protoss player's learning and aesthetic appeal (ty Mike's wife). | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:36 Scarecrow wrote: He's not talking about the other mirrors. TvT has entertainment value but PvP is pretty devoid of any benefits besides protoss player's learning. My wife says, "Whatever, these guys don't know what they are missing. Protoss are shiny." | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:37 Arceus wrote: I will kill a kitten if they send out Classic next The kitten lives | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:34 ThomasR wrote: not sure if stupid i'm a zerg player, but i find that TvT's are fun to watch PvP's are not So you enjoy TvT even though you can't steal build orders/improve, but you can't conceive of any non protoss player enjoying PvP? And we're the stupid people? Edit: Nvm forgot I was on TL for a second. | ||
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j4vz
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On May 12 2013 15:38 Garnet wrote: My god why send Protoss vs Wooki. exactly what i thought, he almost has 80% win rate in PvP | ||
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slowbacontron
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Well, he didn't say he wouldn't kill a kitten if they didn't send Classic. | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:39 Nebuchad wrote: So you enjoy TvT even though you can't steal build orders/improve, but you can't conceive of any non protoss player enjoying PvP? And we're the stupid people? Edit: Nvm forgot I was on TL for a second. Seriously if you can't see the vast gulf in entertainment value between current TvT and PvP (like that shit we just watched) I don't know what to say (and this is coming from a toss). | ||
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Nebuchad
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On May 12 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote: Seriously if you can't see the vast gulf in entertainment value between current TvT and PvP (like that shit we just watched) I don't know what to say (and this is coming from a toss). Then don't say it? | ||
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Yorke
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On May 12 2013 15:39 Nebuchad wrote: So you enjoy TvT even though you can't steal build orders/improve, but you can't conceive of any non protoss player enjoying PvP? And we're the stupid people? Edit: Nvm forgot I was on TL for a second. Maybe you should learn to read before insulting others. | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote: Seriously if you can't see the vast gulf in entertainment value between current TvT and PvP (like that shit we just watched) I don't know what to say (and this is coming from a toss). PvP is very interesting even through the seemingly passive midgame. The unit dancing to get into a better position, build order wars, mindgames, all continue during a lull period. Only one with a shallow understanding of the game, who seeks constant fights solely, will find PvP boring. | ||
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ThomasR
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i didn't think anyone could possibly get so butthurt from me voicing my personal opinion about pvp | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote: Seriously if you can't see the vast gulf in entertainment value between current TvT and PvP (like that shit we just watched) I don't know what to say (and this is coming from a toss). Never understood why people hated on TvT. I play protoss and I fucking hate both playing and watching PvP. | ||
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Nebuchad
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On May 12 2013 15:44 ThomasR wrote: i didn't think anyone could possibly get so butthurt from me voicing my personal opinion about pvp Actually I was reacting on you calling him stupid for making a perfectly valid point, but that's one way to look at it... | ||
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Scarecrow
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On May 12 2013 15:43 Pangpootata wrote: PvP is very interesting even through the seemingly passive midgame. The unit dancing to get into a better position, build order wars, mindgames, all continue during a lull period. Only one with a shallow understanding of the game, who seeks constant fights solely, will find PvP boring. This is hilarious. I'm Masters Korea/GM SEA with protoss and you're telling me my understanding is too shallow to enjoy this mu? | ||
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Caihead
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On May 12 2013 15:43 Pangpootata wrote: PvP is very interesting even through the seemingly passive midgame. The unit dancing to get into a better position, build order wars, mindgames, all continue during a lull period. Only one with a shallow understanding of the game, who seeks constant fights solely, will find PvP boring. Except all of those things you are talking about exist in the other match ups too... | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:45 Nebuchad wrote: Actually I was reacting on you calling him stupid for making a perfectly valid point, but that's one way to look at it... sigh | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:43 Pangpootata wrote: PvP is very interesting even through the seemingly passive midgame. The unit dancing to get into a better position, build order wars, mindgames, all continue during a lull period. Only one with a shallow understanding of the game, who seeks constant fights solely, will find PvP boring. Whoah there. We got somebody who truly understands the game in here guys! | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:46 Caihead wrote: Except all of those things you are talking about exist in the other match ups too... Yes, they do too. All matchups are enjoyable, just that the emphasis on different aspects of the game varies in each. | ||
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Skron
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On May 12 2013 15:28 ThomasR wrote: pvp not worth the time if you aren't a protoss player looking to steal build orders/improve your pvp I don't play toss and I think PvP has become more interesting since HoTS, with early game stargates becoming viable its has become really hectic in the early game. The late game has become a bit more interesting with the ability to counter colossus with tempest so not all games are just colossus wars. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/977.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.dogfightink.com/xakm47.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/5.jpg) do it! | ||
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On May 12 2013 15:52 Dodgin wrote: Although Protoss does do better in bo1 scenarios, the real problem is the lack of good Terran players in Kespa. You have Flash, Fantasy and Bogus but after that is quickly deteriorates in quality. You can say the same for ESF's terrans. | ||
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tuho12345
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ESF terran is quite better imo. | ||
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Dodgin
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There are a lot more of them though, on most Proleague teams there is only one Terran on the team that has the potential to be sent out. | ||
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BigFan
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hmm I disagree, I think there are more than 3 ESF terrans which are really good. | ||
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noojOh
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also this means innovation vs flash likely | ||
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On May 12 2013 16:01 Jindo wrote: Flash? KT not kidding around lol Map scores really count at this stage, especially since KT and STX are tied in match score atm. | ||
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Not really. Yoda, Bomber, Gumiho, MKP, MVP, Supernova, Byun, Keen, Maru. May as well count Ryung and Taeja even though they're technically not ESF Outside of those he mentioned for Kespa...I see Last, Reality, Skyhigh, Cure, and Baby and that's being generous | ||
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Dodgin
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You also have Axiom-Acer and Prime with 3 Terran players on each team that they like to send out frequently(or in the case of Prime, every match). So while bo1 definitely favors Protoss, it has more to do with the lack of Terrans playing in SPL than anything else. EG-TL would also have two good Terrans if they would field Taeja every time, but he's very infrequent. | ||
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On May 12 2013 16:10 Arceus wrote: Flash is only one game short of 250 wins? Yep. If he does a 2-kill today, he will be tied with JD on 251 wins. | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
On May 12 2013 16:11 Dodgin wrote: The only teams in GSTL that don't have two Terran players worth sending out are Azubu and Hoseo, every other GSTL team has at least two good Terran players. Every team in Proleague except STX Soul only has 1 Terran that they field every match or nearly every match. You also have Axiom-Acer and Prime with 3 Terran players on each team that they like to send out frequently(or in the case of Prime, every match). We just need every Korean team in pro league ^_^ | ||
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Jindo
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On May 12 2013 16:02 monk wrote: Map scores really count at this stage, especially since KT and STX are tied in match score atm. Ah yes I forgot about that. SKT just won 4-1 vs KHAN, so KT needs to win 4-1 or more to keep ahead of SKT. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/monk/ProleagueS1/StandingsS1R5W1.png) | ||
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I see nothing has changed with this game, the fungals are still 'sick' and 'amazing'. Yeah. | ||
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On May 12 2013 16:24 Clawfinger wrote: Flash makes Starcraft 2 look too easy It is. Regardless, good stuff from Flash. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 12 2013 16:25 Odoakar wrote: 'Really sick fungals!" I see nothing has changed with this game, the fungals are still 'sick' and 'amazing'. Yeah. To be fair that was a pretty sick fungal | ||
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
"nice baneling connection" a widow mine took out like 6 banelings | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
On May 12 2013 16:25 Odoakar wrote: 'Really sick fungals!" I see nothing has changed with this game, the fungals are still 'sick' and 'amazing'. Yeah. But I love how the caster called it a "disgusting fungal". Would have belonged more in WoL, in HotS I can appreciate the beauty of the spell | ||
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Veldril
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On May 12 2013 16:26 xAdra wrote: But I love how the caster called it a "disgusting fungal". Would have belonged more in WoL, in HotS I can appreciate the beauty of the spell Especially when it catches Muta, or Medivacs with boost. | ||
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On May 12 2013 16:30 Thrillz wrote: Flash make Marauders man lol. Yeah his comp is much more balanced now. 17 Marauders to 36 Marines. Before it was like 8 Marauders to 50 marines. Haha. GG! | ||
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ThomasR
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On May 12 2013 13:37 ThomasR wrote: CMON INNOVATION VS FLASH woot :D | ||
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Iplaythings
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Flash vs Innovation Premier TvT Plz treat me well ^.^ | ||
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sM.Zik
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On May 12 2013 16:36 poisui wrote: You have to be innovative to defeat God consistently. Ohh you.. | ||
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Beirut
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Just switched the the Korean cast on Youtube, far superior in quality to the Twitch stream. Also the korean casters somehow get me more excited about the game than those two guys speaking English who just kind of miscall everything. | ||
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DusTerr
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On May 12 2013 16:41 Beirut wrote: Finally, what we all came to see. Just switched the the Korean cast on Youtube, far superior in quality to the Twitch stream. Also the korean casters somehow get me more excited about the game than those two guys speaking English who just kind of miscall everything. I wasn't watching until someone in IRC mentioned that THIS match is next! | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
On May 12 2013 16:41 Beirut wrote: Finally, what we all came to see. Just switched the the Korean cast on Youtube, far superior in quality to the Twitch stream. Also the korean casters somehow get me more excited about the game than those two guys speaking English who just kind of miscall everything. Thanks for reminding me about esportsTV! | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Solid construction I guess. | ||
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SniXSniPe
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On May 12 2013 16:45 ETisME wrote: innovation is gonna win this. he is just a little bit better than flash in every department imo Flash has this, just watch. | ||
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On May 12 2013 16:45 ETisME wrote: innovation is gonna win this. he is just a little bit better than flash in every department imo I think Flash's macro is slightly better, along with his decision making. Still, I think the odds are slightly in Bogus' favor any given day. Flash hwaiting. | ||
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Jindo
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not worth it at all | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
After Flash forfeits the medivacs and tanks | ||
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really smart to pull scvs to deal with it | ||
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xluik
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On May 12 2013 16:51 Omnidroid wrote: Same builds lol, Flash faster by 2 seconds, I think that's GG guys Don't listen to the casters... it isn't really the same build. Innovation got his 2nd gas as soon as his factory finish while flash got it a little later | ||
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
props to innovation too, he played insanely well even though he was down 15 scvs from the start, taking aggressive risks which did pay off and allowed him to claw back a bit | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
Poll: Recommend Set 5? Yes (37) If you have time (4) No (1) 42 total votes Your vote: Recommend Set 5? Poll: Recommend Set 6? Yes (13) If you have time (6) No (5) 24 total votes Your vote: Recommend Set 6? | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
I was expecting a bit more from the winner of the group of death I s'ppose =) | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:02 Daralii wrote: I think the code S loss made him mad... Indeed... | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
We might not have many terrans in pro league but as long as those two get to play a lot it's ok! | ||
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Philippines4950 Posts
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Canada221 Posts
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Poland271 Posts
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heartagram
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Deso
Austria88 Posts
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
We need a true bo5-7 between these two to decide who's the better player! | ||
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BigFan
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On May 12 2013 17:02 Daralii wrote: I think the code S loss made him mad... my thoughts as well lol | ||
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Beirut
United States673 Posts
Really needed this win to keep him in the discussion after those tough (but perfectly reasonable) Group B losses. | ||
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On May 12 2013 17:04 Deso wrote: Flash seemed really upset that he lost to Innovation in GSL. Indeed, that's why he looks really happy now. | ||
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United States471 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
People who were in the studio that did say that after being eliminated Flash left the studio in a hurry as if he was pissed. Probably went back to the house right away and trained his ass off. :p | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
Delete pls. double post | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:04 Beirut wrote: Wow Flash playing on another level. Flash is looking more and more impressive every time I see him play. His positioning on that map was nearly impeccable. he shows "flashes" of his greatness, but the GSL group B matches shows that he's still have a ways to go. | ||
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Beirut
United States673 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:06 holy_war wrote: he shows "flashes" of his greatness, but the GSL group B matches shows that he's still have a ways to go. Haha updated my post just as you were responding ;P | ||
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
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[OGN]Remmy
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Kazakhstan762 Posts
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. How so? | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. Did it ever come to your mind, that maybe he is focused on preparing for TvZ for his WCS match? | ||
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
People were saying he's having much better TvT than Flash but they forget that many of Innovations wins were all-ins/ cheeses. The chances for Innovation to win a macro game vs Flash are very low to be honest. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
Scoring: KT +4 STX -1 Wooki +5 hyvaa +3 Flash +6 all other KT players +1 | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
OMFG! GOSU!!! What happened in the game? | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:05 Kommander wrote: People who were in the studio that did say that after being eliminated Flash left the studio in a hurry as if he was pissed. Probably went back to the house right away and trained his ass off. :p oh didn't know this, interesting. Well, he did think he would be able to move on then got 2-1'd by Innovation, 2-0'd by Parting and was out first. Consider that in BW, he was always #1 and I can see how he would be extremely upset after that. | ||
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heartagram
178 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:12 p14c wrote: People were saying he's having much better TvT than Flash but they forget that many of Innovations wins were all-ins/ cheeses. The chances for Innovation to win a macro game vs Flash are very low to be honest. Well duh. Any players chance to beat Flash in a standard macro game are low as hell. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:15 Seeker wrote: Flash beat INnoVation? OMFG! GOSU!!! What happened in the game? Flash got a good drop off then ran hellions in as well, took out lots of workers. He took a faster third after his lead and kept up his macro. Innovation made a good effort to get back in, defended a 4 medivac drop from Flash well but then he made couple of mistakes and his late third and upgrades meant Flash had the better army/upgrades and he took out his third, sandwiched his marines towards the end then just rolled his remaining 7-8 tanks and couple of marines with a huge marine+tank army. | ||
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Wojciech Zywny
Poland271 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:15 Seeker wrote: Flash beat INnoVation? OMFG! GOSU!!! What happened in the game? both opened quick medivac drop and dropped at the same time. Flash handled it way better and took basically no damage while killing 10-15 of innovations scvs. then the game transitioned into a normal macro game with both going marine tank, flash having a nice lead and basically winning with superior macro and positioning | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. no, Bogus is better than Flash right now, this win only means that Flash is working harder than before, but nice try silly flash fan. | ||
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
This is Larry Bird vs. Michael Jordan or Nadal vs. Roger Federer man. I believe we are seeing the greatest rivalry in SC2 history (NOT Broodwar to be clear) right here. And before you say anything, I do not mean they are equals, of course Flash's resume dwarfs Innovations/Bogus'. I am just saying, these two are going blow to blow right now, showing amazing games and its impossible to predict who comes out ahead which makes it a big time rivalry. Idra's rivalries were cool though, not high level like these games, more BM festivals. I still like HuK v Naniwa but I feel Naniwa blows away Huk in skill now. So I believe Flash vs. Bogus is the best rivalry ever in SC2. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18413 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:25 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Its time we recognize, each is on a similar skill level and each game goes for the throat! This is Larry Bird vs. Michael Jordan or Nadal vs. Roger Federer man. I believe we are seeing the greatest rivalry in SC2 history (NOT Broodwar to be clear) right here. And before you say anything, I do not mean they are equals, of course Flash's resume dwarfs Innovations/Bogus'. I am just saying, these two are going blow to blow right now, showing amazing games and its impossible to predict who comes out ahead which makes it a big time rivalry. Idra's rivalries were cool though, not high level like these games, more BM festivals. I still like HuK v Naniwa but I feel Naniwa blows away Huk in skill now. So I believe Flash vs. Bogus is the best rivalry ever in SC2. "greatest rivalry in SC2 history" 0 titles vs 0 titles!!! or what? lol | ||
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opterown
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:31 opterown wrote: most amusing to see flash fanboys trying to bash on bogus most amusing seeing forum veterans vastly inflating "fanboys" everytime ONE person says anything. Seriously guys knock it off you are even more annoying because it sounds pompous and superficial. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I would say Innovation is a bit more on the offensive side of things: he cheeses and goes for timing attacks more than Flash, while Flash retains his BW style of perfect defense to back up consistently "greedy" play. Saying that one is way better than the other because of a Bo1 or even a GSL Bo3 is almost disrespectful when you see how far they both are of their Terran counterparts :D I'm just glad we somehow got 2 Terran monsters out of Kespa, while the rest looks fairly weak. I like to think of them as "Mvp Mk II" (for "Mark", not MKP related :p). Mvp was very complete as well in 2011 but the competition was weaker than it is currently and looking back, Mvp was most likely not as overall skilled as these two. | ||
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sinigang
360 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:44 Caihead wrote: most amusing seeing forum veterans vastly inflating "fanboys" everytime ONE person says anything. Seriously guys knock it off you are even more annoying because it sounds pompous and superficial. yeah they're so high up there, we are helpless. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:44 Caihead wrote: most amusing seeing forum veterans vastly inflating "fanboys" everytime ONE person says anything. Seriously guys knock it off you are even more annoying because it sounds pompous and superficial. how is it exactly pompous and superficial? tell me, when you see posts like this On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. On May 12 2013 17:12 p14c wrote: People were saying he's having much better TvT than Flash but they forget that many of Innovations wins were all-ins/ cheeses. The chances for Innovation to win a macro game vs Flash are very low to be honest. they seem like rather lame attempts to bash bogus after a loss i'm sure you recognise that flash fans are often some of the more passionate ones that can get... caught up in the moment | ||
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Germany190 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:52 opterown wrote: how is it exactly pompous and superficial? tell me, when you see posts like this they seem like rather lame attempts to bash bogus after a loss i'm sure you recognise that flash fans are often some of the more passionate ones that can get... caught up in the moment You of all people know that so called fanboys are either trolls with the intent of soliciting reaction from frequent browsers such as yourself, or idiots who are beyond saving, best solution is to ignore them. Lumping everyone who say positive things about a player to be fanboys is really annoying. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:53 NanowaX wrote: where can i find the vods please? http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos I think that they are not uploaded yet, at least, not all of them. But all VODs of the Proleague are uploaded there. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:52 opterown wrote: how is it exactly pompous and superficial? tell me, when you see posts like this they seem like rather lame attempts to bash bogus after a loss i'm sure you recognise that flash fans are often some of the more passionate ones that can get... caught up in the moment But opterown don't you know that losing a Bo1 to a player of similar calibre means you got COMPLETELY OUTCLASSED and are really bad? Yeah laughing at dumbasses is great, making sweeping generalizations not so much. I'd also like to point out how a certain someone can't handle being told about Prime doing poorly, even when they objectively very much are. So let's not start on "fanboys" shall we  | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
there's a small bit important difference, i was not not aiming at all flash fanboys but the specific ones bashing lol and MoP shut it with the snideness, it's not becoming. there was this recent incident... | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:59 opterown wrote: you guys are misreading what i am trying to say, i am not saying [most amusing to see flash fanboys, bashing on bogus] i am saying [most amusing to see "flash fanboys bashing on bogus"] there's a small bit important difference, i was not not aiming at all flash fanboys but the specific ones bashing lol and MoP shut it with the snideness, it's not becoming. there was this recent incident... wearing dat star means you have the responsibility of punctuation! | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Literally becoming the Totalbiscuit of the TL Starcraft 2 community. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:04 Caihead wrote: wearing dat star means you have the responsibility of punctuation! Hey, it also means he's better than the rest of us, judging by how he acts. | ||
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xHQx
Russian Federation601 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:47 ZenithM wrote: Innovation and Flash are very similar as players. They are the most complete form of Terran we've seen since the beginning of SC2, both being the best as far as Terrans go in a multitude of gameplay aspects, such as mechanical proficiency, overall multitasking, decision making and game sense, defensive and offensive capabilities, mental stability, etc.. I would say Innovation is a bit more on the offensive side of things: he cheeses and goes for timing attacks more than Flash, while Flash retains his BW style of perfect defense to back up consistently "greedy" play. kinda. Also they both have the most honest interviews EVER, both aprecciate really hard work as the way to become better, both giving a lot of attention to every single timing in the whole game etc etc. btw third one, who have same similiar qualities is Lee Jae Dong, but he's a little bit off for now | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:47 ZenithM wrote: I'm just glad we somehow got 2 Terran monsters out of Kespa, while the rest looks fairly weak. I like to think of them as "Mvp Mk II" (for "Mark", not MKP related :p). Mvp was very complete as well in 2011 but the competition was weaker than it is currently and looking back, Mvp was most likely not as overall skilled as these two. I think Last has shown a bit of potential in his play, at least as far as TvZ is concerned. What with him practicing with Bogus, I'd say the future might hold good things for him. Then again for all we know, some random B-teamer might end up becoming the next big thing. :S | ||
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
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nepeta
1872 Posts
BTW really happy to see LYH doing well, now waiting for LJD to do the same, although I doubt it will happen | ||
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sinigang
360 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:56 Caihead wrote: You of all people know that so called fanboys are either trolls with the intent of soliciting reaction from frequent browsers such as yourself, or idiots who are beyond saving, best solution is to ignore them. Lumping everyone who say positive things about a player to be fanboys is really annoying. opterown just wants to keep his post count high, so he needs to react to everything. | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On May 12 2013 15:51 Laryleprakon wrote: PvP is a lot more fun in HOTS, proleague having mass pvpvpvp isn't much fun tho My thoughts exactly. I really like protoss match-ups in HotS, but too many in PL is gonna make it boring at some point. Even GSL that has always contained very few protoss, the number of protoss is historically high this season, even bigger than the number of T for the first time in code A+S (but a bit lower than Z). | ||
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sinigang
360 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:15 BLinD-RawR wrote: thats usually how someone becomes the next big thing, fuck thats how bogus became the next big thing, he used to be a joke until 2 years ago. I thought Bogus was pretty good when I first saw him play back in BW, I wouldn't classify him as a joke 2 years ago. Didn't he have a high winrate off the bat? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:43 sinigang wrote: I thought Bogus was pretty good when I first saw him play back in BW, I wouldn't classify him as a joke 2 years ago. Didn't he have a high winrate off the bat?I said until 2 years ago, hes been an active pro since 2008. it was only after the scandal which left STX out of their only good terran did bogus start to not only play more but start stepping it up. | ||
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NanowaX
Germany190 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:56 Ramiz1989 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos I think that they are not uploaded yet, at least, not all of them. But all VODs of the Proleague are uploaded there. my korean is pretty bad unfortunately are there english commentated ones too? | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:48 NanowaX wrote: my korean is pretty bad unfortunately are there english commentated ones too?http://www.twitch.tv/sc2proleague/b/402490733 (you need to subscribe to the channel though) | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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AzBozz
Germany518 Posts
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tozi
United States506 Posts
I am begging, please provide interview :D PLEASE | ||
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Portugal4231 Posts
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NanowaX
Germany190 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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Ukraine711 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:44 BLinD-RawR wrote: I said until 2 years ago, hes been an active pro since 2008. it was only after the scandal which left STX out of their only good terran did bogus start to not only play more but start stepping it up. Hwasin T_T | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:58 samurai80 wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/sc2proleague/b/402490733 (you need to subscribe to the channel though) And the free Korean vod. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On May 12 2013 19:14 Qikz wrote: I'm glad Flash managed to pull a win against Bogus. I was starting to worry Bogus was going to be Flash's cryptonite in TvT and everyone would use that to put Flash down He's 5 - 3 vs innovation now | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Oh wait yeah I foirgot about MLG. Sick! :D | ||
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duyhotan2000
Vietnam39 Posts
5 - 4 is exactly | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
Bisu | ||
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theMagus
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
5 - 4 vs innovation now it was 4 - 4 before this match up. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On May 13 2013 01:29 ChoDing wrote: 5 - 4 vs innovation now it was 4 - 4 before this match up. Aha. Guess TLPD sucks. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
but honestly idk where that 1 up from innovation came from... im assuming they fought in WoL in proleague in early round? no idea cuz i thought it was 4-3 too haha | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
Yes, use Aligulac, it's far more complete. On May 13 2013 01:44 ChoDing wrote: but honestly idk where that 1 up from innovation came from... im assuming they fought in WoL in proleague in early round? no idea cuz i thought it was 4-3 too haha Correct, ProLeague match on 31st Dec 2012. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10163 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
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crashonly
Finland418 Posts
I'm getting sick of seeing so many PvPs in Proleague these days.. The early game is ok but the long macro games that end in a 5 second laser fight are so god damn boring. Wish there were more terrans of Bogus' and Flash's caliber!Also happy to see KT win, woo! *waves pom poms* | ||
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renezerg
Peru186 Posts
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Canada11044 Posts
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crashonly
Finland418 Posts
On May 13 2013 06:55 GolemMadness wrote: After Flash loses to someone in an individual league, he almost ALWAYS beats them when they play again in Proleague shortly afterwards. The kid does his homework | ||
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tozi
United States506 Posts
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oucho
United Kingdom22 Posts
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Canada390 Posts
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