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[WCS AM] RO32 Group G Premier Season 1 2013
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Polls:
Poll: Head?Crank and Sen (20) 57% HuK and Sen (7) 20% HuK and Crank (6) 17% HuK and Capoch (1) 3% Crank and Capoch (1) 3% Capoch and Sen (0) 0% 35 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): HuK and Crank
(Vote): HuK and Capoch
(Vote): HuK and Sen
(Vote): Crank and Capoch
(Vote): Crank and Sen
(Vote): Capoch and Sen
Poll: Heart?HuK and Sen (17) 46% Crank and Sen (10) 27% HuK and Crank (6) 16% Sen and Capoch (2) 5% HuK and Capoch (1) 3% Crank and Capoch (1) 3% 37 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): HuK and Capoch
(Vote): HuK and Crank
(Vote): HuK and Sen
(Vote): Crank and Sen
(Vote): Crank and Capoch
(Vote): Sen and Capoch
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ro gives it pizazz. I think Sen will take first and then it'll come down to Crank vs HuK for second. Could see it going either way so I'm not 100% sure.
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Sen is my boy. Hopefully the 3rd place bit doesn't come into play here.
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Aww I was going to make this but I wasnt 100% percent sure if I would be home in time for the start of the group..
For future reference, take the red text out of the top of the post, add a Head/'Heart poll in your second post, and add this into the TL preview section: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=411346.
Thanks though!, and GOGO HuK and Sen!
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On May 10 2013 04:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:
ro gives it pizazz. I think Sen will take first and then it'll come down to Crank vs HuK for second. Could see it going either way so I'm not 100% sure.
I agree, I'll even give the edge to Crank... But HuK gets the autovote for me.
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I'm casting again 
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On May 10 2013 04:56 SchAmToo wrote:I'm casting again
Rock on man, they givin Axslav a break? Or did he and rottie go out too hard last night?
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Crap! Totally forgot that it starts at four not six anymore l! (despite that being in the OP). Uh, might be slow updating results for the first two hours rocking the phone. Sorry guys.
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Sen not getting 1st (yes even with Crank here) would surprise me. He's always been one of the best foreigners since the dawn of WoL. Just often forgotten since he's not seen too much outside of Taiwan compared to others. His ZvP seems quite good as well and with 1 matchup to prepare for, well...
after that I'm going with Huk I suppose.
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On May 10 2013 05:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Sen not getting 1st (yes even with Crank here) would surprise me. He's always been one of the best foreigners since the dawn of WoL. Just often forgotten since he's not seen too much outside of Taiwan compared to others. His ZvP seems quite good as well and with 1 matchup to prepare for, well...
after that I'm going with Huk I suppose.
He's often forgotten because he's not white.
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Gooooo HuK!
Though I have my doubts he can get out of this group tbh...
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On May 10 2013 06:04 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Sen not getting 1st (yes even with Crank here) would surprise me. He's always been one of the best foreigners since the dawn of WoL. Just often forgotten since he's not seen too much outside of Taiwan compared to others. His ZvP seems quite good as well and with 1 matchup to prepare for, well...
after that I'm going with Huk I suppose. He's often forgotten because he's not white.
I'd even go on a limb and say that foreigners are forgotten once they start practicing exclusively in Korea/Korean server. Every foreigner in Korea is likely leagues above their peers, but simply forgotten due to the remoteness and elusiveness.
Sen
Nani
Sase
Major
Scarlett
Minus EG-TL because they are marketing champions.
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Yup, the iPhone is good to go, I shall not fail us! (I hope)
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Ugh. Just another hour of so of street hockey with the boys then I can return to my glorious computer. Fricken starting two hours earlier than last week... Anyways, if a mod is able to update results in the mean time that's be good, ofherwise I'll man up, but it might be untimely.
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I want to see some Sen domination. 
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Sen is GM in KR ladder. I think he might just 4-0 this group.
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I'm curious if what axslav said is true, has Sen ever lost to a nonkorean in a tournament setting?
EDIT: Sen lost to Demu 0-3 in the online portion of the playoffs for NASL 4
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On May 10 2013 06:32 Jombozeus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:04 mongmong wrote:On May 10 2013 05:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Sen not getting 1st (yes even with Crank here) would surprise me. He's always been one of the best foreigners since the dawn of WoL. Just often forgotten since he's not seen too much outside of Taiwan compared to others. His ZvP seems quite good as well and with 1 matchup to prepare for, well...
after that I'm going with Huk I suppose. He's often forgotten because he's not white. I'd even go on a limb and say that foreigners are forgotten once they start practicing exclusively in Korea/Korean server. Every foreigner in Korea is likely leagues above their peers, but simply forgotten due to the remoteness and elusiveness. Sen Nani Sase Major Scarlett Minus EG-TL because they are marketing champions.
Sen isn't forgotten. The issue is that he competes in very few events. But for those events he DOES compete in, nobody forgets that he exists.
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Used the good ol' ELO calculator site thingy. Go Sen!
Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Sen 85.78% 55.58% 30.20% 10.25% 3.97%
CranK 64.42% 27.90% 36.52% 24.35% 11.24%
HuK 39.95% 13.40% 26.55% 38.56% 21.49%
Capoch 9.85% 3.12% 6.74% 26.85% 63.30%
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That is a nice approach to this group Capoch is fighting uphill for sure.
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Would have put CranK ahead of Sen tbh but I agree with the 2 up and 2 down.
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On May 10 2013 07:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I'm curious if what axslav said is true, has Sen ever lost to a nonkorean in a tournament setting?
what live tournaments has he attended though? NASL where he lost to koreans? WCG? He doesnt go to MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, etc. Did he go undefeated in the online portion of NASL against foreigners or are they just talking about live events? because this shouldnt count if it's the latter, right?
It can't be the online thing because he lost 2-1 to Cloud in NASL 1 so I guess losing to foreigners in a tournament setting doesnt matter for today.
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On May 10 2013 07:06 plasmidghost wrote:
Capoch 4-0 incoming
If I didn't love Sen, I would want to hope for that.
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On May 10 2013 07:08 ThomasjServo wrote:If I didn't love Sen, I would want to hope for that.
Don't worry, Sen can have second.
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On May 10 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I'm curious if what axslav said is true, has Sen ever lost to a nonkorean in a tournament setting? what live tournaments has he attended though? NASL where he lost to koreans? he doesnt go to MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, etc. Did he go undefeated in the online portion of NASL against foreigners or are they just talking about live events? because this shouldnt count if it's the latter, right?
NASL and BWC I guess. And he hasn't ever been to anything else? I'd imagine while on Fnatic he went to a few but I can't really think of anything.
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On May 10 2013 07:09 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:08 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 10 2013 07:06 plasmidghost wrote:
Capoch 4-0 incoming If I didn't love Sen, I would want to hope for that. Don't worry, Sen can have second.
Third is much more likely if history indicates anything.
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On May 10 2013 07:09 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 10 2013 07:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I'm curious if what axslav said is true, has Sen ever lost to a nonkorean in a tournament setting? what live tournaments has he attended though? NASL where he lost to koreans? he doesnt go to MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, etc. Did he go undefeated in the online portion of NASL against foreigners or are they just talking about live events? because this shouldnt count if it's the latter, right? NASL and BWC I guess. And he hasn't ever been to anything else? I'd imagine while on Fnatic he went to a few but I can't really think of anything.
I mean if you want to get real technical he has lost a few times in the team league in Taiwan but I think his win percentage is still over 90%
I think he should win the group tonight especially only having to play ZvP
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3 hatch before pool, made of balls.
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Feels like capoch will do some gateway pressure into immortal allin
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On May 10 2013 07:10 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:09 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 10 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 10 2013 07:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I'm curious if what axslav said is true, has Sen ever lost to a nonkorean in a tournament setting? what live tournaments has he attended though? NASL where he lost to koreans? he doesnt go to MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, etc. Did he go undefeated in the online portion of NASL against foreigners or are they just talking about live events? because this shouldnt count if it's the latter, right? NASL and BWC I guess. And he hasn't ever been to anything else? I'd imagine while on Fnatic he went to a few but I can't really think of anything. I mean if you want to get real technical he has lost a few times in the team league in Taiwan but I think his win percentage is still over 90% I think he should win the group tonight especially only having to play ZvP
That is one ridiculous win percentage. And no doubt. Sen NOT getting through would be an upset. Honestly Sen not getting 1st would be kind of an upset
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Did Capoch Probe scout? Because he is going to be way behind.. he didn't punish 3 Hatch before Pool when opening Gate first...
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Who's capoch? Never heard of him/her before.
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On May 10 2013 07:09 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:09 plasmidghost wrote:On May 10 2013 07:08 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 10 2013 07:06 plasmidghost wrote:
Capoch 4-0 incoming If I didn't love Sen, I would want to hope for that. Don't worry, Sen can have second. Third is much more likely if history indicates anything.
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On May 10 2013 07:12 ACrow wrote:
Who's capoch? Never heard of him/her before.
Player from Argentina. I believe he's notorious for all-inning a majority of his games
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On May 10 2013 07:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:12 ACrow wrote:
Who's capoch? Never heard of him/her before. Player from Argentina. I believe he's notorious for all-inning a majority of his games
Like every other successful Protoss, including the Boss Toss, MC.
So Capoch is playing the race correctly.
Sen probably vividly remembers get Soul Trained right out of the last WCS by Parting too.
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I hope we see Capoch whip out some crazy builds no one has ever seen before and goes 2-0 4-0, just his first step on the road to winning all three seasons of WCS AM and the global finals, all without dropping a single map.
And in the finals, he will be so trained and ready, he will play with one hand, mouse only.
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I think he couldve finished the game if he had send the zealots in the main
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Sen, what are you doing. Stahp.
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capoch is so underrated, i think his chances to advance are pretty good.
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On May 10 2013 07:09 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 10 2013 07:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I'm curious if what axslav said is true, has Sen ever lost to a nonkorean in a tournament setting? what live tournaments has he attended though? NASL where he lost to koreans? he doesnt go to MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, etc. Did he go undefeated in the online portion of NASL against foreigners or are they just talking about live events? because this shouldnt count if it's the latter, right? NASL and BWC I guess. And he hasn't ever been to anything else? I'd imagine while on Fnatic he went to a few but I can't really think of anything.
Axslav is wrong or has some other idea of what "a tournament setting" means... NASL Season 4 Sen lost to DeMuslim in the season ending tournament in the round of 16 by a score of 3 to 0.
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On May 10 2013 07:15 Tobon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:09 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 10 2013 07:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 10 2013 07:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I'm curious if what axslav said is true, has Sen ever lost to a nonkorean in a tournament setting? what live tournaments has he attended though? NASL where he lost to koreans? he doesnt go to MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, etc. Did he go undefeated in the online portion of NASL against foreigners or are they just talking about live events? because this shouldnt count if it's the latter, right? NASL and BWC I guess. And he hasn't ever been to anything else? I'd imagine while on Fnatic he went to a few but I can't really think of anything. Axslav is wrong or has some other idea of what "a tournament setting" means... NASL Season 4 Sen lost to DeMuslim in the season ending tournament in the round of 16 by a score of 3 to 0.
Demuslim confirmed secret Korean
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BREAKING: Idra released from EG -- Incontrol SotG
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once the 3rd immortal is out Sen is pretty much, sorta kind of boned. He does have the zealot heavy comp in his favor.
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On May 10 2013 07:16 DeathProfessor wrote:
BREAKING: Idra released from EG -- Incontrol SotG
Oh man, this sucks.
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That's not nearly enough sentries I think
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I still can't believe Sen's been a top-level foreign SC player for almost 10 years. Soooo good
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did idra really get released?
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Capoch took an awful engage. Should have expanded into Colossus.
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On May 10 2013 07:18 ThomasjServo wrote:
Capoch took an awful engage. Should have expanded into Colossus.
You're also allowed to micro your immortals. Especially when you have only two.
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On May 10 2013 07:18 askmc70 wrote:
did idra really get released?
Yes
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Woah, did you guys see that?! ...guys? Where did everyone go..
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I saw it. Idra stealing viewers
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Also lost vs Tarrantius at ESET masters.
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On May 10 2013 07:34 ThomasjServo wrote:
I saw it. Idra stealing viewers
SotG 11k viewers lol
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On May 10 2013 07:34 krutopatkin wrote:SotG 11k viewers lol
IdrA gonna IdrA, I like Sen too much to bother.
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Sen is doing a fair job of holding, despite him being pretty far behind in econ. By econ I mean relative bases.
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He was never behind in econ. Capoch was on two base all-in mode this whole time.
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Sen just looks like he's toying with him at this point.
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Sen is so patient. Giving up 2 bases to hold with 100% certainty is not a play that every zerg would make, even if they knew the opponent was also on two.
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why was capoch even invited? he is getting outplayed so hard.
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How is HuK's PvP these days? I haven't seen either player play for a while.
On May 10 2013 07:40 Greenei wrote:
why was capoch even invited? he is getting outplayed so hard.
WCS 2012 South American Champ I assume.
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On May 10 2013 07:39 Amui wrote:
Sen is so patient. Giving up 2 bases to hold with 100% certainty is not a play that every zerg would make, even if they knew the opponent was also on two.
I don't see any reason not to take the third while doing this push. It's not like Sen can send a runby in the middle of this, it's not like 4 stalkers more or less matter either, and it allows you to just go back after killing two bases, instead of engaging into vipers and everything designed to kill you because you're not ahead yet.
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HuK PvP. I hope for some crazy DT shenanigans. ^____^
Edit: He won Argentina but didn't have much to say on the SA finals.
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On May 10 2013 07:40 Greenei wrote:
why was capoch even invited? he is getting outplayed so hard.
I think they just wanted to invite some SA players. Outside of KiLLeR, Major and Fenix, there aren't many who can stand up to top players.
Though I think Catz would've been a better invite. But then I'd still take Capoch over Maker.
Edit: Grouping Mexico in there for some reason
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I think Crank dealt the death blow to my team in IPTL amateur division, wouldn't mind seeing him knock huk about a bit.
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Hukuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
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This will be the shortest LR thread for WCS yet. XD
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Lol, double lift with only 2 Phoenixes. Awkward... 
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Damn, was so sure he had that fight but those phoenix lifts were game breaking ><
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Stargate openers looks so much stronger
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Scout zealots, voids, immos - Go stalker all-in...
Research blink, make zealots.
Whyyyyyyyyyyy
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On May 10 2013 07:57 Darthsanta13 wrote:
Damn, was so sure he had that fight but those phoenix lifts were game breaking ><
Different kind of army value when you are thinking about how to subtract value from your opponent's army.
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Huk had such a huge lead too...
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Void rays hurt stalkers so badly and aren't very easy to target down with a wall of ground forces. It's the void ray damage that made crank's hold so easy, not the nexus cannon.
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The OP is not being updated....
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On May 10 2013 08:00 partydude89 wrote:
The OP is not being updated....
The OP is too busy checking the release of the gracken.
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On May 10 2013 08:00 partydude89 wrote:
The OP is not being updated....
He is on his phone. Didn't know that it started 2 hours earlier than last week. (Info if i recall correctly.)
Go Liquipedia.
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On May 10 2013 07:59 Ansinjunger wrote:
Void rays hurt stalkers so badly and aren't very easy to target down with a wall of ground forces. It's the void ray damage that made crank's hold so easy, not the nexus cannon.
And the ramp.
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Damn that final engagement for Huk was farcical with all his zealots forcefielded in behind his own buildings, about as useful as pylons in that battle....
C'mon Huk! I know you know what a tier 3 unit is!
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Crank taking a leaf out of the MC book.
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Crank too good. HuK will need to beat Sen to advance.
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Huk not building a zealot uhh ohhhhhhhh
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That was bad HuK, really bad ...
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well, just about everything by huk has been terrible so far
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PvP scares me. Only reason why I don't play Protoss
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Wow, awesome build from Crank. Awesome.
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On May 10 2013 08:03 AwesomeFossum wrote:
Crank too good. HuK will need to beat Sen to advance.
Oh the optimist, he'll have to beat Crank to advance. XD
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On May 10 2013 08:06 BakedButters wrote:
PvP scares me. Only reason why I don't play Protoss
its horrible don't try it.
and crank going crazy proxies everything!
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if huk had a nexus cannon he could still win this. but he doesn't.
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On May 10 2013 08:07 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:03 AwesomeFossum wrote:
Crank too good. HuK will need to beat Sen to advance. Oh the optimist, he'll have to beat Crank to advance. XD
Haha, a definite tough task indeed! Gogo Sen or HuK though!
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Arg I hate losing to crap like that...
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Hahahah, I had that edit done on liquipedia when they said proxy gateway.
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Huk let way too many probes die in engaging the first 3 zealots
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On May 10 2013 08:09 Jacmert wrote:Huk let way too many probes die in engaging the first 3 zealots
i assume he thought it was double proxygate and then he would be fine but it wasn't t.t
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How do they determine the first map? Good marketing MLG, we all know how much nerds like track jackets.
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Sen 2-1 over Crank, Crank 2-1 Huk. Capoch and Huk to challenger.
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Sorry about the delay. OP has been updated now rho
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Nice from Crank, good hold.
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Wow, cranks micro was amazing
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On May 10 2013 08:26 Dexington wrote:
Sen's macro is insane...
His sense of how to engage is fantastic as well.
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Sen flanked himself with the collo yoinks :D
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I was really hoping Crank could show me how to deal with Vipers. I have the same issue he had this game, I get some Feedbacks off, but it isn't enough versus Abduct.
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Glad to see Sen is still doing awesome.
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glad I stayed up to watch sen
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Mass muta switch would win this for Sen. Crank has Void Rays and Colossi
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Sen needs a fifth. How the fuck is the weather, jesus.
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Goddamn storms are good...
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Nice way to throw the game away lol
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Sick engagements by Crank.
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how the fuck did crank win that
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damn sen, that was disappointing.
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On May 10 2013 08:28 BronzeKnee wrote:
I was really hoping Crank could show me how to deal with Vipers. I have the same issue he had this game, I get some Feedbacks off, but it isn't enough versus Abduct.
Well, he won. Figure out how and tell me afterwards, please :D
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That's a dragged out all in from Sen. Don't know why he did that :/
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On May 10 2013 08:34 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:28 BronzeKnee wrote:
I was really hoping Crank could show me how to deal with Vipers. I have the same issue he had this game, I get some Feedbacks off, but it isn't enough versus Abduct. Well, he won. Figure out how and tell me afterwards, please :D
He kept his void ray count up until they got to the point that no amount of hydras could every kill them.
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On May 10 2013 08:34 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:28 BronzeKnee wrote:
I was really hoping Crank could show me how to deal with Vipers. I have the same issue he had this game, I get some Feedbacks off, but it isn't enough versus Abduct. Well, he won. Figure out how and tell me afterwards, please :D
He mind-controlled Sen to pull back when he could've just a-moved into the natural and won. Several times.
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Sen screwed up by not scouting Cranks 4th base fast enough so Crank was able to defend it. Also too many roaches not enough swarm hosts.
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so hard for zerg in that position what should you do
swarmhost instead of roach and then what
Or mass corruptors+roach??
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I'm going to have to watch that replay because I was half paying attention (thought Sen had won and was mostly paying attention to the Senators vs Habs). I was honestly shocked when I saw that crank was up 1-0...
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Well that was one of the worst game throws I've seen
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On May 10 2013 08:38 .Enigma wrote:
Well that was one of the worst game throws I've seen
Poor Heart...
Already forgotten.
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many reasons why sen lost. also the 4th and 5th came too late. btw think its ok when roach hydra vipers lose to colossi storm voidray tech.
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On May 10 2013 08:39 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:38 .Enigma wrote:
Well that was one of the worst game throws I've seen Poor Heart... Already forgotten.
As a community, we have the memory of a goldfish. Then there are individuals who will tell you what Clide had for breakfast before a round of 32 in the GSL.
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On May 10 2013 08:37 Foxxan wrote:
so hard for zerg in that position what should you do
swarmhost instead of roach and then what
Or mass corruptors+roach??
Muta's or yeah go swarmhosts.
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On May 10 2013 08:42 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:39 Dosey wrote:On May 10 2013 08:38 .Enigma wrote:
Well that was one of the worst game throws I've seen Poor Heart... Already forgotten. As a community, we have the memory of a goldfish. Then there are individuals who will tell you what Clide had for breakfast before a round of 32 in the GSL.
people these days are always saying things are the most "something" they've ever seen. literally.
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On May 10 2013 08:42 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:39 Dosey wrote:On May 10 2013 08:38 .Enigma wrote:
Well that was one of the worst game throws I've seen Poor Heart... Already forgotten. As a community, we have the memory of a goldfish. Then there are individuals who will tell you what Clide had for breakfast before a round of 32 in the GSL.
Nerd blood.
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Ok, Sen can't possibly throw this one. Right?
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Well, on our way to game 3.
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beastly macro from sen this game
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Now that was what we expected from Sen.
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Crank with the Fantasy GG timing
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Twenty minutes till I'm home. Ugh, what an embarrassment. Sorry everyone. In twenty minutes I'll this LR thread and the game will have my full and undivided attention. Phone is at 4% now though so might not be able to add this current game to OP till then (3% now actually)
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Cucarachas. Cucarachas everywhere.
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nice one Sen, glad to see a 2base allin got demolished
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Aw Sen, you should've waited until after the game was played to point that out so we could get another MLG Admin controversy...
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On May 10 2013 08:54 Kentredenite wrote:
Aw Sen, you should've waited until after the game was played to point that out so we could get another MLG Admin controversy...
Point what out? I missed it
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On May 10 2013 08:57 phodacbiet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:54 Kentredenite wrote:
Aw Sen, you should've waited until after the game was played to point that out so we could get another MLG Admin controversy... Point what out? I missed it
Sen and Crank started to play on the wrong map ( Daybreak ) - although they should have played on Neo Planet S.
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13 minute Ultras is pretty crazy
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This feels like an odd map for the 3base ultra all in, the protoss third has some really abusable terrain.
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well this sucks. I had hoped to see Sen advance before going to bed.
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Sen sticks to his compositions to a fault I think
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If I have to see that stupid fucking gun control ad about the school shooting one more time....
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On May 10 2013 09:13 Dosey wrote:
If I have to see that stupid fucking gun control ad about the school shooting one more time....
...you're gonna pack your bags and move to Sweden where you get to see skylines and stuff instead of commercials?
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On May 10 2013 09:16 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:13 Dosey wrote:
If I have to see that stupid fucking gun control ad about the school shooting one more time.... ...you're gonna pack your bags and move to Sweden where you get to see skylines and stuff instead of commercials?
Or the Philippines where you see NOTHING.
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Alright! I'm back andI'm on this, gimmie five minutes to get this OP back into shape
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Incontrols Prediction is still holding
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4gate... well, not sure what I expected.
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On May 10 2013 09:22 butter wrote:
4gate... well, not sure what I expected.
Hopefully not that, since this is very rarely used in HotS.
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On May 10 2013 09:22 butter wrote:
4gate... well, not sure what I expected.
it's capoch, he does not know what macro means.
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How do you lose the main there? Use overcharge in the natural and spend warp ins in the main to defend.
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or forcefield the ramp to the natural and split to defend the main
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Dreadful decision making by Capoch, not even on a diamond level
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I just want to see some DT action. gogo
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On May 10 2013 09:33 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:32 Soda-88 wrote:
Dreadful decision making by Capoch, not even on a diamond level Don't get too carried away. I have seen diamonds make mass zealot as a counter to Ultralisks.
Well, I play on EU so I was referring to EU diamond.
Either way the amount of decision making mistakes this guy made in that game is mindblowing... no MSC with 4gate, didn't push up the ramp after chasing away the only sentry when the forcefield faded, seen robo - didn't counter with stargate after killing nexus, lost nexus to a warp prism zealot warp-in with MSC present (haven't targetted the prism, not sure but I think he didn't have MSC hitting the zealots either), list goes on...
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On May 10 2013 09:37 Soda-88 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:33 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 10 2013 09:32 Soda-88 wrote:
Dreadful decision making by Capoch, not even on a diamond level Don't get too carried away. I have seen diamonds make mass zealot as a counter to Ultralisks. Well, I play on EU so I was referring to EU diamond. Either way the amount of decision making mistakes this guy made in that game is mindblowing... no MSC with 4gate, didn't push up the ramp after chasing away the only sentry when the forcefield faded, seen robo - didn't counter with stargate after killing nexus, lost nexus to a warp prism zealot warp-in with MSC present (haven't targetted the prism, not sure but I think he didn't have MSC hitting the zealots either), list goes on...
Eu diamond is no better then NA diamond lol. But even at Gm/high masters players from EU/NA and Korea well still make zealots vs ultra as a counter. It's not just an "na" thing.
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omg I HATE when my stalkers get stuck like that
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capoch has never played brood war
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lol walled stalker migyt be useful..
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This game is pure comedy gold! NA never seems to fail.
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ahahahahahah THAT STALKER
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Atta boy HuK!
Stylish
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lol at huk. that shit was hilarious
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Dem forcefields, that was hilarious.
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well, confidence booster?
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lol huk playing with the stalker
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Huk just punched him in the face lol
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LOOOOL that was so funnny
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lol at Huk's forcefield troll!!!!!!!
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Korea > Europe >>>>>>> America in SC2, is it?
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On May 10 2013 09:40 Emzeeshady wrote:
North American SC2...
Capoch was seeded for winning WCS Argentina. He's probably low masters.
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Bam! I've got the hand of this now. OP is updated and ready to go!
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Welcome to Code S (America)? Lol, DT so BM (with BM sentry support)
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"Huk: Im gonna free that stalker!
lol, jk."
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yeah...i dont like the little dances...
you should show a little respect even tough you just mauled the guy
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On May 10 2013 09:43 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Capoch was seeded for winning WCS Argentina. He's probably low masters.
I don't think so. The entire NASL casting crew is like mid Masters or higher.
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On May 10 2013 09:43 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Capoch was seeded for winning WCS Argentina. He's probably low masters.
You obviously know your players well. I think people like you should refrain from posting and get learn some logic.
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On May 10 2013 09:43 TheDougler wrote:
Bam! I've got the hand of this now. OP is updated and ready to go!
It ain't nothing but a peanut, Dougler. + Show Spoiler +
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On May 10 2013 09:43 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Capoch was seeded for winning WCS Argentina. He's probably low masters.
AFAIK he's GM on NA server.
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ok guys let's witness some sick 8 gates timings! Who is excited? I am for sure!
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what was the 2nd Map on HuK - Capoch?
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On May 10 2013 09:47 fishb00n wrote:
what was the 2nd Map on HuK - Capoch?
Bel Shir Vestige. Shit, I forgot about adding that to OP sorry brb.
Edit: Wait, what's the best way to do that?
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On May 10 2013 09:47 fishb00n wrote:
what was the 2nd Map on HuK - Capoch?
that green one that's not Whirlwind
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On May 10 2013 09:43 TheDougler wrote:
Bam! I've got the hand of this now. OP is updated and ready to go!
Thanks man! Can we have the maps for the games please?
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On May 10 2013 09:44 Heinsenzerg wrote:
yeah...i dont like the little dances...
you should show a little respect even tough you just mauled the guy
Sometimes it's bad sportsmanship, but in Starcraft it's a lot more an accepted part of the competitive culture. Especially for the Koreans (and Huk has been living and playing in Code S in Korea for amongst the longest of the foreigners).
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He also still has a team. A useful commodity toi have.
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United States33392 Posts
look random gateway pressure from HuK
even tho IdrA is gone from EG, some other things will never change
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
If Huk gets a third before an immortal, I think sen will just run him over with roaches.
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On May 10 2013 09:55 Waxangel wrote:
look random gateway pressure from HuK
even tho IdrA is gone from EG, some other things will never change
I'm just glad there is some continuity in the world. I've been getting pretty scared with MC playing macro games these days and Marineking scanning before engagements and occasionally sending an scv scout
also grats to Crank for first place. Didn't expect that. nice result
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I just realized I never checked if anyone was actually LRing this, dangit. Think this is the last thread I make for one of these. In any case, I'll LR the next game of HuK vs Sen.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Oh nvm, he got run over by roaches anyway.
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Gogo Huk, I believe in the gateways!
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On May 10 2013 09:59 TheDougler wrote:
I just realized I never checked if anyone was actually LRing this, dangit. Think this is the last thread I make for one of these. In any case, I'll LR the next game of HuK vs Sen.
You dont have to do the LR if you're the OP. that's just kind of an optional thing. important part is updating the OP and posting the recommendation polls
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maybe he could dance the stalkers a little
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why isn't sen taking a 4th?
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On May 10 2013 10:02 EpiK wrote:
why isn't sen taking a 4th?
all in
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:02 EpiK wrote:
why isn't sen taking a 4th?
Why, Huks only on two.
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no way i see huk winning this game
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So what's the right composition against Sen's build? It's an almost defensive quick 3 hatch roach max. Void rays?
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On May 10 2013 10:08 Tobon wrote:
So what's the right composition against Sen's build? It's an almost defensive quick 3 hatch roach max. Void rays?
Void rays and/or colossi will at least allow you to take a 3rd.
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Nevermind, sorry guys. Ugh, I should NOT have picked today to do this.
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On May 10 2013 10:10 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:08 Tobon wrote:
So what's the right composition against Sen's build? It's an almost defensive quick 3 hatch roach max. Void rays? Void rays and/or colossi will at least allow you to take a 3rd.
collosi, then play defensive until you get ht to fend off the vipers.
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huk doing a gateway timing? bullshit its a all in :D
terrible game -_-
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I guess the other way to beat it is to hit before Sen can get the roaches out....
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On May 10 2013 10:19 RogerChillingworth wrote:
sen is so bad zvp
Beats Capoch 2-0, loses to Korean Crank 2-1 and is bad at ZvP?
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On May 10 2013 10:08 Tobon wrote:
So what's the right composition against Sen's build? It's an almost defensive quick 3 hatch roach max. Void rays?
anything?
just sit back and get your doom army. roaches are bad units.
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Supply block killed sen. He had like 30 seconds after his roach warren finished until he was able to start roaches.
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That's an incredibly smart play by HuK, knowing Sen 3 hatches before pools, its very smart. He probably was just expecting to cancel the 3rd and go home. But since he saw no roaches he went in and just got the kill. He had a stargate and robo behind the pressure so he was very safe in all regards. GG HuK
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That was so horrible by Sen and well done by Huk. I can't believe he just straight up died to a 2base 4gate pressure.
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Lol, i had nvr imagined that push to be successfull..... hmm....
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Naniwa is cheering against Huk, but I think Huk just did the same build as he did in Dreamhack to kill Sen in Game 2
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FUCK YEAH!!!!!
Man, when I'm feeling awful somehow HuK can make me feel so great. I should probably be with my buddies watching the NHL playoffs but this is like 1000x more exciting haha!
HUK FIGHTING!!!
Sorry I screwed the pooch (again... fuck). I WILL LR this next game, (I know, my word means nothing now... sigh). Just read the Idra released from EG news. Bad day to think that I should spend some time in the real world... Way more fun in here.
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United States97276 Posts
Sen about to get 3rd place cursed?
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Great to see Crank cruise right through this group. Well done Crank
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"That was a bop, right there"
-- Tasteless
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Sev vs HuK Game 3 Neo Planet S
HuK spawns Bottom Left,
Sen Spawns Top Right
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On May 10 2013 10:24 TheDougler wrote:
Sev vs HuK Game 3 Neo Planet S
HuK spawns Bottom Left,
Sen Spawns Top Right
HuK going gateway first Sen goes spawning pool first and gets a good scout when HuK puts his natural down but no tech revealed so far.
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On May 10 2013 10:27 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:24 TheDougler wrote:
Sev vs HuK Game 3 Neo Planet S
HuK spawns Bottom Left,
Sen Spawns Top Right HuK going gateway first Sen goes spawning pool first and gets a good scout when HuK puts his natural down but no tech revealed so far.
HuK uses his mothership core to scout. Ling scout of Sen is cleared out and HuK throws down a stargate.
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On May 10 2013 10:28 isaachukfan wrote:
Huk has my faith, he can do it!
I would never have expected that from you XD
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On May 10 2013 10:28 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:27 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:24 TheDougler wrote:
Sev vs HuK Game 3 Neo Planet S
HuK spawns Bottom Left,
Sen Spawns Top Right HuK going gateway first Sen goes spawning pool first and gets a good scout when HuK puts his natural down but no tech revealed so far. HuK uses his mothership core to scout. Ling scout of Sen is cleared out and HuK throws down a stargate.
Sen puts down double evolution chamber.
8:30, both Sen and HuK still on two base. HuK scouts the double evolution chambers.
Sen takes a third and HuK scouts it with phoenix.
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On May 10 2013 10:30 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:28 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:27 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:24 TheDougler wrote:
Sev vs HuK Game 3 Neo Planet S
HuK spawns Bottom Left,
Sen Spawns Top Right HuK going gateway first Sen goes spawning pool first and gets a good scout when HuK puts his natural down but no tech revealed so far. HuK uses his mothership core to scout. Ling scout of Sen is cleared out and HuK throws down a stargate. Sen puts down double evolution chamber. 8:30, both Sen and HuK still on two base. HuK scouts the double evolution chambers. Sen takes a third and HuK scouts it with phoenix.
9:40, sen sends a bunch of speedlings towards HuK as HuK throws down a third which quickly gets scouted.
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That was really well done by Huk, he can do this!
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Sen doing the same exact thing he tried against Crank? I hope Huk watched that game...
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10:52 Supplies very even around 85 supply as Sen's ling attack at HuK's natural and third are denied by HuK's main army at the third and wall off and forcefields at natural.
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Whoa, no wonder I've been confused, the supplies are switched. Or are they? Well, this game is gonna be amazing.
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the amount of times they've had the supply counts switched...
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Am I the only one that thinks Game Heart's UI could be tweaked in the production tab a bit? It could be a bit more clear.
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On May 10 2013 10:30 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:30 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:28 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:27 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:24 TheDougler wrote:
Sev vs HuK Game 3 Neo Planet S
HuK spawns Bottom Left,
Sen Spawns Top Right HuK going gateway first Sen goes spawning pool first and gets a good scout when HuK puts his natural down but no tech revealed so far. HuK uses his mothership core to scout. Ling scout of Sen is cleared out and HuK throws down a stargate. Sen puts down double evolution chamber. 8:30, both Sen and HuK still on two base. HuK scouts the double evolution chambers. Sen takes a third and HuK scouts it with phoenix. 9:40, sen sends a bunch of speedlings towards HuK as HuK throws down a third which quickly gets scouted.
On May 10 2013 10:32 TheDougler wrote:
10:52 Supplies very even around 85 supply as Sen's ling attack at HuK's natural and third are denied by HuK's main army at the third and wall off and forcefields at natural.
13:00 Sen finishing up 2/2 and adrenal glands, HuK producing collosi off of double robo. 140 supply for sen, 120 supply for HuK
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On May 10 2013 10:29 ThomasjServo wrote:I would never have expected that from you XD
LOL xD
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On May 10 2013 10:33 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:30 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:30 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:28 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:27 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:24 TheDougler wrote:
Sev vs HuK Game 3 Neo Planet S
HuK spawns Bottom Left,
Sen Spawns Top Right HuK going gateway first Sen goes spawning pool first and gets a good scout when HuK puts his natural down but no tech revealed so far. HuK uses his mothership core to scout. Ling scout of Sen is cleared out and HuK throws down a stargate. Sen puts down double evolution chamber. 8:30, both Sen and HuK still on two base. HuK scouts the double evolution chambers. Sen takes a third and HuK scouts it with phoenix. 9:40, sen sends a bunch of speedlings towards HuK as HuK throws down a third which quickly gets scouted. Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:32 TheDougler wrote:
10:52 Supplies very even around 85 supply as Sen's ling attack at HuK's natural and third are denied by HuK's main army at the third and wall off and forcefields at natural. 13:00 Sen finishing up 2/2 and adrenal glands, HuK producing collosi off of double robo. 140 supply for sen, 120 supply for HuK
Sen starts adding Ultras, HuK adds Immortals and gets a dark shrine.
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don't fucking attack in there
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That was a weird choice to attack in
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On May 10 2013 10:33 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:33 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:30 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:30 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:28 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:27 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:24 TheDougler wrote:
Sev vs HuK Game 3 Neo Planet S
HuK spawns Bottom Left,
Sen Spawns Top Right HuK going gateway first Sen goes spawning pool first and gets a good scout when HuK puts his natural down but no tech revealed so far. HuK uses his mothership core to scout. Ling scout of Sen is cleared out and HuK throws down a stargate. Sen puts down double evolution chamber. 8:30, both Sen and HuK still on two base. HuK scouts the double evolution chambers. Sen takes a third and HuK scouts it with phoenix. 9:40, sen sends a bunch of speedlings towards HuK as HuK throws down a third which quickly gets scouted. On May 10 2013 10:32 TheDougler wrote:
10:52 Supplies very even around 85 supply as Sen's ling attack at HuK's natural and third are denied by HuK's main army at the third and wall off and forcefields at natural. 13:00 Sen finishing up 2/2 and adrenal glands, HuK producing collosi off of double robo. 140 supply for sen, 120 supply for HuK Sen starts adding Ultras, HuK adds Immortals and gets a dark shrine.
15:00 the armies clash. HuK in a good defensive posisiton and the suopplies even out for a bit but Sen breaks through and Sen ends up up 40 supply over HuK
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Lol, that fungal killed the Colossus. NOOooo
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Was in a decent position but his aggressive nature worked against him there.
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On May 10 2013 10:35 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:33 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:33 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:30 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:30 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:28 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:27 TheDougler wrote:On May 10 2013 10:24 TheDougler wrote:
Sev vs HuK Game 3 Neo Planet S
HuK spawns Bottom Left,
Sen Spawns Top Right HuK going gateway first Sen goes spawning pool first and gets a good scout when HuK puts his natural down but no tech revealed so far. HuK uses his mothership core to scout. Ling scout of Sen is cleared out and HuK throws down a stargate. Sen puts down double evolution chamber. 8:30, both Sen and HuK still on two base. HuK scouts the double evolution chambers. Sen takes a third and HuK scouts it with phoenix. 9:40, sen sends a bunch of speedlings towards HuK as HuK throws down a third which quickly gets scouted. On May 10 2013 10:32 TheDougler wrote:
10:52 Supplies very even around 85 supply as Sen's ling attack at HuK's natural and third are denied by HuK's main army at the third and wall off and forcefields at natural. 13:00 Sen finishing up 2/2 and adrenal glands, HuK producing collosi off of double robo. 140 supply for sen, 120 supply for HuK Sen starts adding Ultras, HuK adds Immortals and gets a dark shrine. 15:00 the armies clash. HuK in a good defensive posisiton and the suopplies even out for a bit but Sen breaks through and Sen ends up up 40 supply over HuK
Reinforcements from Sen break through and HuK loses his third and with it the Game. Sen takes game 3.
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Good guy Huk, donates expensive units to the needy
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alright matey, alright
GG Sen
Suppy, America's hope
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HuK got mauled ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/3/32/Gamabearslogo_std.png)
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Same map, Same composition from Sen, Huk showing why he is still bottom 3 control with his Move command colosus
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he had that... wtf why did he move down
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what happened? I look away for a split second and everything from huk is gone. I'm happy for Sen tho
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On May 10 2013 10:36 -y0shi- wrote:he had that... wtf why did he move down
he lost more than he should of in that fight, he needed to wall with gates....
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exactly my thoughts!
so close!
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:36 Ysellian wrote:what happened? I look away for a split second and everything from huk is gone. I'm happy for Sen tho
Traded armies, with Sen having a bank advantage, but Huk having better defensive position. Then Huk movd his army on creep and did a gamble and warped-in dts to try to kill Sen. Sen had an overseer, the creep was good and he just rolled over everything.
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Sen's attack was really sloppy but it still worked...
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pretty poor control there from huk at that last engagement.
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United States97276 Posts
did they say if they were going to announce the groups right now like they did for WCS EU or are they just being released later?
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Crank yay Sen yay, Huk nuuuuuuu, Capoch nuuu too. Don't like group play when I like all players.
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On May 10 2013 10:36 Ysellian wrote:what happened? I look away for a split second and everything from huk is gone. I'm happy for Sen tho
He amoved down the ramp onto creep for some reason and his colossus got killed by lings.
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On May 10 2013 10:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:
did they say if they were going to announce the groups right now like they did for WCS EU or are they just being released later?
They said they'd release em right nizzy.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Says group announcement so I think they'l show them now.
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On May 10 2013 10:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:
did they say if they were going to announce the groups right now like they did for WCS EU or are they just being released later?
Now, so sit tight.
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On May 10 2013 10:36 askmc70 wrote:he lost more than he should of in that fight, he needed to wall with gates....
Should of what?
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Good to see Sen performing again.
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Alright, the NA scene has one more player in the Ro16 than I expected them to. Good job, Suppy. Scarlett was not too surprising, shoutout to the remaining foreigners Sen, Snute, Scarlett, Suppy and mOOnGLaDe.
A shame that mOOnGLaDe doesn't begin with an S.
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Round of 16 is played live right?
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Suppy and Scarlett in the same group.
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this looks quite different from the eu drawings lol
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Triple zerg group for Nestea, not to bad for him.
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On May 10 2013 10:37 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:36 Ysellian wrote:what happened? I look away for a split second and everything from huk is gone. I'm happy for Sen tho Traded armies, with Sen having a bank advantage, but Huk having better defensive position. Then Huk movd his army on creep and did a gamble and warped-in dts to try to kill Sen. Sen had an overseer, the creep was good and he just rolled over everything.
That's a shame for Huk. It felt very similar to the crank game so I was thinking he was going to beat Sen.
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The Zerg group, Snute has a fair chance I think.
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Well, moonglade is gonna be out lol
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Gogo TheSTC protoss fighting!
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Gonna be so sad if Scarlett and Suppy have to play an elimination game against each other :\
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Two triple zerg groups
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On May 10 2013 10:43 Yunarc wrote:
why is theSTC protoss?
Thats MLG for ya
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Ah yes, I like it when Group D is Death.
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REALLY YOU PUT THE TWO AMERICANS IN THE SAME FUCKING GROUP. WHAT THE FUCK./ WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
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who is this fucking commentator? thestc is a toss? hero is the strongest toss right now? (SOS??? PARTING???) jesus christ...
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United States97276 Posts
#1 vs #4
#2 vs #3
Group A
 Nestea
 Alicia
Sen
Snute
Group B
 TheStC
Crank
mOOnGLaDe
Apocalypse
Group C
HerO
Suppy
Revival
Scarlett
Group D
viOLet
Polt
Ryung
aLive
Poll: Group of Death?D (370) 81% C (55) 12% A (28) 6% B (4) 1% 457 total votes Your vote: Group of Death? (Vote): A
(Vote): B
(Vote): C
(Vote): D
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what the FUCK GROUP D!?!?
come on SPREAD THE KOREANS OUT...
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wooooooo Terran group tvt <3, sadly koreans so no awesome tvt, but tvt !
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On May 10 2013 10:45 mrRoflpwn wrote:
REALLY YOU PUT THE TWO AMERICANS IN THE SAME FUCKING GROUP. WHAT THE FUCK./ WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
Honestly it's more likely that one of them advances this way...
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ahahahaha violet must be so sad hahah
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Violet got TLOed.
But not the best race distribution overall.
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On May 10 2013 10:46 Heinsenzerg wrote:
this is gonna be a shitty tournament
Just like you are then
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polt and violet come to NA to destroy some americans
get put against each other with fucking ryung and alive
wow,.....
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mostly because of the lack of na
the play is gonna be off the roof
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What? Violet, Ryung, Polt and aLive? Damn, that's one hell of a group.
Good for Violet since he only has 1 matchup to prepare for.
At least Ryung's got a lot of potential TvTs.
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WTF Group D is absolutely BS. It's so much more harder than the rest.
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On May 10 2013 10:46 Emzeeshady wrote:
Smart by MLG. Trying to eliminate some of the strongest Koreans by putting them all in the same group.
Well, it's not like they had any choice. ro16 is so heavily korean stacked.
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On May 10 2013 10:49 Thrillz wrote:
WTF Group D is absolutely BS. It's so much more harder than the rest.
Blame Ryung and aLive for losing to foreigners, not the other player's fault they forgot that Zergs can built roaches pretty quickly
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Group D is brutal but i guess Ryung won't be too unhappy with two other terrrans.
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On May 10 2013 10:45 mrRoflpwn wrote:
REALLY YOU PUT THE TWO AMERICANS IN THE SAME FUCKING GROUP. WHAT THE FUCK./ WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
It's actually pretty good for them. Better than if one of them got dropped in Group D, because then they'll really be screwed.
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On May 10 2013 10:49 rj rl wrote:
Group D seems unfair lol
Two of those guys shouldn't of come in 2nd place in their Ro32 groups.
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Two North Americans Advance just to end up in the same group
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I like Group C - I can not watch the other 3 groups and just watch that one and other American freaks can do the same.
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On May 10 2013 10:47 Strela wrote:Just like you are then
you too.
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On May 10 2013 10:51 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:49 Thrillz wrote:
WTF Group D is absolutely BS. It's so much more harder than the rest. Blame Ryung and aLive for losing to foreigners, not the other player's fault they forgot that Zergs can built roaches pretty quickly
aLive losing to foreigner is not as relevant since HerO was also in the group and both Koreans got out. Ryung loosing was disappointing though. Putting Polt and Violet is already kinda ridiculous, but add aLive and Ryung?
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SEN!!!!!! He didn't get third place quite yet, fuck yeah! Really happy he advanced, can't wait to see his RO16 matches
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On May 10 2013 10:57 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 10:51 StarVe wrote:On May 10 2013 10:49 Thrillz wrote:
WTF Group D is absolutely BS. It's so much more harder than the rest. Blame Ryung and aLive for losing to foreigners, not the other player's fault they forgot that Zergs can built roaches pretty quickly aLive losing to foreigner is not as relevant since HerO was also in the group and both Koreans got out. Ryung loosing was disappointing though. Putting Polt and Violet is already kinda ridiculous, but add aLive and Ryung?
Sure it's relevant, he couldn't manage to get first place because of that, groups are composed of two 1st placing guys and two 2nd placing guys. You can't make difference between players because of their reputation or something if you have nothing concrete to go by except for their placement in the Ro32.
Sure HerO probably would've been even "worse" for most people, but I don't quite get the hassle. If you have so many Koreans in the Ro16 you'd better expect groups with many Koreans.
What are you going to do? Switch NesTea with Ryung even though NesTea got 1st in his group because he's perceived as weaker now? It doesn't matter, groups can be hard, but I don't think after the Korean Ro16 anybody should complain about players being in the group of death. There's only one group of death and it was played out already.
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I don't really care about the foreigner, American dichotomy. Somehow we should root for suppy because he is "american" but not polt or violet? Suppy is a Chinese-American in school in America. Violet and Polt moved here to work and study in order to improve their lives. Doesn't seem different to me at all.
All seem to be class acts to me and I will root be rooting for the better player to win and not basing my judgments on some hyped-up, fake narrative of "foreigner versus Korean."
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On May 10 2013 06:04 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Sen not getting 1st (yes even with Crank here) would surprise me. He's always been one of the best foreigners since the dawn of WoL. Just often forgotten since he's not seen too much outside of Taiwan compared to others. His ZvP seems quite good as well and with 1 matchup to prepare for, well...
after that I'm going with Huk I suppose. He's often forgotten because he's not white.
Race has nothing to do with it, GTFO.
Sen is just not often seen in the big foreigner tournaments. You can bet he'd have a huge fanclub if we won MLG or Dreamhack.
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On May 10 2013 11:41 Diogenes wrote:
I don't really care about the foreigner, American dichotomy. Somehow we should root for suppy because he is "american" but not polt or violet? Suppy is a Chinese-American in school in America. Violet and Polt moved here to work and study in order to improve their lives. Doesn't seem different to me at all.
All seem to be class acts to me and I will root be rooting for the better player to win and not basing my judgments on some hyped-up, fake narrative of "foreigner versus Korean."
Was Suppy born in China? His liquipedia says USA, so I'm going with American. Not Chinese-American, or any other bullshit like that.
I'm sick of these ridiculous fragmenting terms; African-American, Mexican-American, what have you. The only way that "African-American" is an excusable term is for someone that was born in Africa but was later naturalized as an American. Anyone born in America is a fucking American, regardless of their skin tone.
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Group D, haha, oh wow. That is going to be vicious. Scarlett has a good shot of advancing at least.
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On May 10 2013 21:57 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 11:41 Diogenes wrote:
I don't really care about the foreigner, American dichotomy. Somehow we should root for suppy because he is "american" but not polt or violet? Suppy is a Chinese-American in school in America. Violet and Polt moved here to work and study in order to improve their lives. Doesn't seem different to me at all.
All seem to be class acts to me and I will root be rooting for the better player to win and not basing my judgments on some hyped-up, fake narrative of "foreigner versus Korean." Was Suppy born in China? His liquipedia says USA, so I'm going with American. Not Chinese-American, or any other bullshit like that. I'm sick of these ridiculous fragmenting terms; African-American, Mexican-American, what have you. The only way that "African-American" is an excusable term is for someone that was born in Africa but was later naturalized as an American. Anyone born in America is a fucking American, regardless of their skin tone.
Where are you from in America btw?
Identifying with Mexican-American, Asian-American, and so on is really similar to how the 1920s Irish and Italians identify themselves as Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans. Probably every large ethnic group at some point identified themselves as such before truly being integrated. The idea is that once they get integrated, those terms will eventually disappear. Though we still joke about Gingers, heh.
America (as in all of the Americas) is different due to its unique history and dealings with race. If you haven't already, doing some research on Germans in America, you'd be surprised by just how separated some of their groups were in the late 19th century. More separated than any Asian-American group, but that was probably due to the feasibility of creating your own town in the middle of nowhere which isn't possible today.
It's not really an issue of being fragmented, it just is the way things are. It takes time and you can't just tell every 2nd-3rd generation Italian to not be influenced by their 1st generation immigrant parents/grandparents. It just takes time for people to be assimilated.
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On May 10 2013 22:43 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 21:57 Crownlol wrote:On May 10 2013 11:41 Diogenes wrote:
I don't really care about the foreigner, American dichotomy. Somehow we should root for suppy because he is "american" but not polt or violet? Suppy is a Chinese-American in school in America. Violet and Polt moved here to work and study in order to improve their lives. Doesn't seem different to me at all.
All seem to be class acts to me and I will root be rooting for the better player to win and not basing my judgments on some hyped-up, fake narrative of "foreigner versus Korean." Was Suppy born in China? His liquipedia says USA, so I'm going with American. Not Chinese-American, or any other bullshit like that. I'm sick of these ridiculous fragmenting terms; African-American, Mexican-American, what have you. The only way that "African-American" is an excusable term is for someone that was born in Africa but was later naturalized as an American. Anyone born in America is a fucking American, regardless of their skin tone. Where are you from in America btw? Identifying with Mexican-American, Asian-American, and so on is really similar to how the 1920s Irish and Italians identify themselves as Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans. Probably every large ethnic group at some point identified themselves as such before truly being integrated. The idea is that once they get integrated, those terms will eventually disappear. Though we still joke about Gingers, heh. America (as in all of the Americas) is different due to its unique history and dealings with race. If you haven't already, doing some research on Germans in America, you'd be surprised by just how separated some of their groups were in the late 19th century. More separated than any Asian-American group, but that was probably due to the feasibility of creating your own town in the middle of nowhere which isn't possible today. It's not really an issue of being fragmented, it just is the way things are. It takes time and you can't just tell every 2nd-3rd generation Italian to not be influenced by their 1st generation immigrant parents/grandparents. It just takes time for people to be assimilated.
I'm not telling people not to identify with their heritage- that's totally cool with me, I encourage it. I'm from DC by the way. But I've always found the concept of identifying other people as different, with a whole different nationality almost, is very marginalizing. The guy next to me is an American with Mexican descent, I hate the term Mexican-American. It sounds like he's "almost American".
Considering historical identification, you also have to consider historical subjugation and prejudice. Yes, the Irish and Italians identified themselves as their closely-knit groups by heritage but was it by choice? Or was it that they were beaten, abused, denied job opportunities, grouped into ghettos and discriminated against by natives? They *had* to band together for protection, it wasn't necessarily that they preferred to remain Italian or Irish. Pride grew out of their success and survival amid horrendous conditions and poor treatment. They didn't come over waving their flags, proud to be unique. They wanted a piece of the American dream, and a bunch of shithead locals made that very, very difficult for them. This triumph over adversity is what fostered the pride in one's background, not the other way around.
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sad to see huk go down. grats to sen.
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I cannot wait for an all-Koreans semi-finals. =)
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