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I didn't see a LR thread in the making, sorry if i missed it, so I decided to get one going for this sweet AM tournament (thanks to Genna). Formatting shamelessly stolen from opertown 
Poll: Head?Vibe & Minigun (53) 40% Leiya & Minigun (30) 23% Vibe & Leiya (25) 19% Vibe & Maker (12) 9% Leiya & Maker (7) 5% Minigun & Maker (5) 4% 132 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): Vibe & Leiya
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Poll: Heart?Vibe & Minigun (41) 40% Leiya & Minigun (19) 18% Vibe & Leiya (14) 14% Leiya & Maker (12) 12% Vibe & Maker (10) 10% Minigun & Maker (7) 7% 103 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): Vibe & Leiya
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Vibe and Minigun! 50 minutes!
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Debating hard about watching right now with WCS EU on...
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On May 06 2013 02:09 Cokefreak wrote:
Debating hard about watching right now with WCS EU on...
Have both streams up. This tournament need all the views it cans get!
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I could see any two players taking this group
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On May 06 2013 02:13 Emzeeshady wrote:
Disappointed that this is only open to NA players but I will keep the stream up to support the tournament anyway.
Why do you think that's a bad thing? This tournament is to help foster growth and competition in the north american scene. Opening it to other places would be kind of counter productive.
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Looking forward to watching the only real NA tournament currently present!
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Can't wait for this, should be amazing!
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I got my pop corn ready, rooting for Vibe!
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30min till SC2 that is Shouted at us from the US.
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Root4Vibe!
I've got nothing going on this afternoon, a fresh pot of tea and it's lovely on the balcony. Goodtime for some Shoutcraft!
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why would anyone watch this lol
User was warned for this post
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On May 06 2013 02:53 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:
why would anyone watch this lol
Many reasons, but there are better threads to troll than this one.
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On May 06 2013 02:53 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:
why would anyone watch this lol
Hey be nice, why not give it a chance? The viewer will decide if this is a good thing or not. I'm going to watch this week even if I am skeptical about the entertainment level. I will hold my judgement until I've seen what the show brings to the table.
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after yesterday i think puck will destroy them all
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why doesn't TB allow free talking in his chat??
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Too bad EU challenger qualifier is going on at the same time, at least for the start of this. I would love to be proven wrong about expecting pretty low level games ^_^
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amurrrrrrrrrrrrica, fuck yea! def gonna tune in to this.
gogo minigun
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Great song selection
Really looking forward to this, I hope everybody tunes in!
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On May 06 2013 03:00 Extenz wrote:
why doesn't TB allow free talking in his chat??
Because the chat is unreadable with ten thousand people chatting at once. At least this way it's useful for some people, and it helps cut down on trolling.
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bed bath and beyond .... f... fuck yea?
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Shoutcraft 'Murica Fuck yeah!
An interesting choice in music to start off the day. 
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On May 06 2013 02:57 SayTT wrote:Hey be nice, why not give it a chance? The viewer will decide if this is a good thing or not. I'm going to watch this week even if I am skeptical about the entertainment level. I will hold my judgement until I've seen what the show brings to the table.
No worries it will get views. It has the "Watch this or youre killing esports!!!11  " tag on it.
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Welp I'll be America for a day. : TBs Music Selection is always so good he loves those OC ReMixes and they are amazing.
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Hyped \o/
edit: twitch is acting terrible :[
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On May 06 2013 02:58 CoR wrote:
after yesterday i think puck will destroy them all
My head says its entirely possible you're right but my heart says wooooo Vibe!
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Gunrun is great, but the fact that he's required at virtually every Twitch stream also says something to me.
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Gogo LeiYa cause Puck ingame !
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On May 06 2013 03:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Gunrun is great, but the fact that he's required at virtually every Twitch stream also says something to me.
I'm not even sure he sleeps.
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Ok I know often "America" = short for "United States of America". But I think putting the entirety of both the Americas as your "i" seems a little wrong.
ETA: Well I feel stupid now.
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Wait.. I thought Puck was a she ?
( won't jump on me for asking please =( )
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On May 06 2013 03:08 KillerDucky wrote:
Ok I know often "America" = short for "United States of America". But I think putting the entirety of both the Americas as your "i" seems a little wrong.
Except it was open to everyone from North and South America. Not just USA.
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o no husky doesnt know puck is a girl... well i didnt know until yesterday either
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pretty sure puck isn't going through with the transition anymore, or at least is unsure enough about it that he's asked that people refer to him as male again, or just don't assign him a gender at all
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On May 06 2013 03:08 KillerDucky wrote:
Ok I know often "America" = short for "United States of America". But I think putting the entirety of both the Americas as your "i" seems a little wrong.
This tournament is not USA only, its America only, aka USA, Canada, Brasil, Chile and so on.
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On May 06 2013 03:10 corpsepose wrote:
pretty sure puck isn't going through with the transition anymore, or at least is unsure enough about it that he's asked that people refer to him as male again, or just don't assign him a gender at all
I believe that puCK said that he prefers to be called puCK instead of he or she until he figures everything out.
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On May 06 2013 03:08 Noocta wrote:
Wait.. I thought Puck was a she ?
( won't jump on me for asking please =( )
I asked her/him when casting alongside TaKe if we should call 'her' or 'him' and she/he replied that it doesn't matter and we should just say puCk. Have you ever tried to cast and build your sentence without using he/she/her/his/ etc? ... God that was awful.
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On May 06 2013 03:00 Extenz wrote:
why doesn't TB allow free talking in his chat??
he always does this, it's good it makes it so theirs almost 0 trolls in chat.
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damn that is confusing. i guess it doesnt matter then.
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I know TB said "no caster cam", but I do think they add some value to a cast, especially for the pre-game and post-game analysis.
Honestly though, I just want to see TB with a huge US flag behind him.
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Please ignore my previous post. America! :D
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Damn, twitch is completely unwatchable for me today, even on 240p. Hope the tournament goes well.
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I hope this lag doesn't happen in the games.
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Is the stream smooth for anyone?
Sound is ok, no stuttering, but the video is essentially a dia-show...
Usually if twitch craps out it is both audio and video stutter...
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this pre-game face-off is pretty cool
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On May 06 2013 03:09 MadProbe wrote:
o no husky doesnt know puck is a girl... well i didnt know until yesterday either
he isn't. and he doesn't care what pronoun is used.
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guh lag is bad for me that sucks wanted to see it.
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chad motherfucking joooooooones!!!!
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On May 06 2013 03:20 h0munkulus wrote:
Is the stream smooth for anyone?
Sound is ok, no stuttering, but the video is essentially a dia-show...
Usually if twitch craps out it is both audio and video stutter...
It's the same for me. The stream is a series of pictures, the audio is fine.
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I hope they postpone the games until this issue is resolved
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"and we'll be getting into the game very--"
*stream dies*
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Of course I was going to be here for this USA officialness.
I am rooting for Leiya because of being a girl or MTF (forget) and I will back Minigun because he kicks ass.
Smack talk idea is interesting that was quite bland though, ah well. Tipping players? Knowing the insanely generous nature of gamers in the US some people may make more than Code S Koreans lol
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the laggg is crazy on the stream other stuff on twitch seem to be working fine
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On May 06 2013 03:27 DeathProfessor wrote:
I am rooting for Leiya because of being a girl
Puck? According to his webcam he is a dude.
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Event needs to get postponed or something, this is unwatchable so frustrating.
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On May 06 2013 03:26 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:20 h0munkulus wrote:
Is the stream smooth for anyone?
Sound is ok, no stuttering, but the video is essentially a dia-show...
Usually if twitch craps out it is both audio and video stutter... It's the same for me. The stream is a series of pictures, the audio is fine.
Affirmative here. Good sound, Video bad.
Edit: It's bearable when you open one of the EU streams and mute it, if you still want to listen to casting. Just different observers so that's a lil' annoying. Better than nothing.
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It's unfortunate that this is pretty much unwatchable.
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hopefully twich fixes its shit soon well one can always vods on youtube
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Still better than MLG Dallas 2011.
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On May 06 2013 03:29 DueSs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:26 Swords wrote:On May 06 2013 03:20 h0munkulus wrote:
Is the stream smooth for anyone?
Sound is ok, no stuttering, but the video is essentially a dia-show...
Usually if twitch craps out it is both audio and video stutter... It's the same for me. The stream is a series of pictures, the audio is fine. Affirmative here. Good sound, Video bad.
Same here.
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Twitch killing NA Esports! But really, I hope this gets sorted. Really excited to see what Genna and TB have put together.
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On May 06 2013 03:29 Xacez wrote:
Still better than MLG Dallas 2011.
Dem eagles.
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On May 06 2013 03:29 Xacez wrote:
Still better than MLG Dallas 2011.
Wouldn't be so pre-judgemental, atleast Dallas had mother nature against them
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You'd think Twitch would prioritize an American tournament stream.......
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Such a shame, I was really looking forward to this but with the current technical issues it's just un-watchable (I'm getting about 1 frame every 2-3 seconds) Hopefully the fault is identified and sorted.
*EDIT* WOOP WOOP! Seems to have been resolved! Play on boys!
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everybody to the spanish stream!!
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German stream seems fine. Sure it is on Twitch end and not TBs provider?
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Technology just isn't there yet ...
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Amazing lag at all settings, even 240p :'(
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stream unwatchable for anyone else? I even have the twitch IP ban rule in place, worked for other streams...
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Same here, unwatchable lag at every single setting.
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On May 06 2013 03:30 Cokefreak wrote:Dem eagles.
For those wondering about what happened at Dallas 2011.
About 10 games of starcraft on saturday with everyone else just watching: http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles and posting pictures about eagles, cats jumping over a river and so on.
I hope the lag gets fixed soon! Would be such a blow to have it continue
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360p is fine for me, try lowering the quality GOMTV style.
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On May 06 2013 03:33 Chaosvuistje wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:30 Cokefreak wrote:On May 06 2013 03:29 Xacez wrote:
Still better than MLG Dallas 2011. Dem eagles. For those wondering about what happened at Dallas 2011. About 10 games of starcraft on saturday with everyone else just watching: http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles and posting pictures about eagles, cats jumping over a river and so on. I hope the lag gets fixed soon! Would be such a blow to have it continue
Good times ^^
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Fixed!!
for the love of pete.
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Appears to be fixed on TB/Husky stream.
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If there's anything I can do to damage Time Warner Cable, I will... this is a joke.
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just watch one of the other streams till its fixed and listen to the english cast
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~ 20k viewers on the english stream alone. love it.
plus the video issues seem to be fixed!
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Being a US stream it has the freedom not to work.
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Hasn't TB been having issues with his regular streaming lately? I hope it's the fault of twitch and can be fixed
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OMG cmon twitch get y our shit togheter
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brutal lag. BRUTAL. Hope it gets fixed, i'm hyped for this one..
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Oh well, it's radiocraft! The sound has no issues at least
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On May 06 2013 03:35 nickbalev wrote:just watch one of the other streams till its fixed and listen to the english cast
genius thx
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Even the ads are a slideshow lol.
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Nice stating the obvious, I wish they would get an analytical caster or a player to cast
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EU streams seem to work better. This tournament clearly proves EU > NA ;-)
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we need more tournaments like this! Such a great thing for developing a regional scene. Thank you shoutcraft!
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On May 06 2013 03:36 DeathProfessor wrote:
Being a US stream it has the freedom not to work.
The invisible hand of the market will fix it!
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I think it relates to the 60 fps thingy that TB had on his stream
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On May 06 2013 03:39 Nirel wrote: Nice stating the obvious, I wish they would get an analytical caster or a player to cast
i agree. i'm not crazy about TB and husky's casting, but they've both gotten loads better than since the beginning of sc2
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On May 06 2013 03:41 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:39 Nirel wrote: Nice stating the obvious, I wish they would get an analytical caster or a player to cast i agree. i'm not crazy about TB and husky's casting, but they've both gotten loads better than since the beginning of sc2
lololol... IT'S TB'S TOURNAMENT!
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The heart of this tournament is in the right place, I love the idea.
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On May 06 2013 03:40 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:36 DeathProfessor wrote:
Being a US stream it has the freedom not to work. The invisible hand of the market will fix it!
This tournaments success is manifest destiny, don't worry y'all.
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Well video is bearable again.
I give up.
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On May 06 2013 03:42 DueSs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:41 LeeDawg wrote:On May 06 2013 03:39 Nirel wrote: Nice stating the obvious, I wish they would get an analytical caster or a player to cast i agree. i'm not crazy about TB and husky's casting, but they've both gotten loads better than since the beginning of sc2 lololol... IT'S TB'S TOURNAMENT!
It's Genna's :p
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Maybe let Husky host the stream next map?
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ive got it on to help viewer numbers but this is absolutely brutal to try to watch
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On May 06 2013 03:45 DueSs wrote:
Well video is bearable again.
I give up.
The technology is not there yet for 60fps
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1 frame per 5 seconds isn't too great
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unwatchable... and using another non lagging stream doesn't really work because they constantly get off-synch
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20k watching a slideshow.
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Watch the stream in another language and leave the main stream open for sound!
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On May 06 2013 03:51 goswser wrote:
Watch the stream in another language and leave the main stream open for sound!
Such a lovely game of sync.
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Have another open on mute and and TB / Hus open with sound on.
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On May 06 2013 03:51 goswser wrote:
Watch the stream in another language and leave the main stream open for sound!
Even that is choppy and unwatchable. I'm leaving on for numbers but this is awful.
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On May 06 2013 03:52 TheButtonmen wrote:Have another open on mute and and TB / Hus open with sound on.
The TB / Hus is around 3-4 min behind
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For some reason the other streams work fine, watching in German myself.
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Nope I think Swarm Host will ensure a more lively game than that
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I am being reasonably well entertained by the audio while doing other things so this is not a total loss for me!
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On May 06 2013 03:53 Dhays9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:52 TheButtonmen wrote:Have another open on mute and and TB / Hus open with sound on. The TB / Hus is around 3-4 min behind
Maybe refresh? For me it's perfectly synced with instarcraft.de. But the TB/Husky audio dies all the time as well.
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On May 06 2013 03:53 Dhays9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 03:52 TheButtonmen wrote:Have another open on mute and and TB / Hus open with sound on. The TB / Hus is around 3-4 min behind
the spanish stream is only a few seconds off sync
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I think there is a problem with video feed coming off TB. He is doing it in 60 fps per second, so either his internet is congesting it, or twitch can't handle it properly.
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The lag is unbelievable. Can't watch
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Vibe really uses SH well.
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scrappy game^^ but kinda fun
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So, my guess is twitch promised blizzard that their WCS streams will not lag no matter what, and twitch is allocating all their resources to that.
It's kind of disappointing considering I think many more people were excited to watch this Shoutcraft.
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someone tell Husky Puck is not a HE
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On May 06 2013 03:59 -_- wrote:
So, my guess is twitch promised blizzard that their WCS streams will not lag no matter what, and twitch is allocating all their resources to that.
It's kind of disappointing considering I think many more people were excited to watch this Shoutcraft.
Nice conspiracy theory. But please take off your tinfoil hat. It is only TBs stream that has issues.
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This observer is horrible.
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On May 06 2013 03:59 vojnik wrote:
someone tell Husky Puck is not a HE
Puck doesn't care about what pronoun is used.
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On May 06 2013 03:59 vojnik wrote:
someone tell Husky Puck is not a HE
Actually, Puck decided he was a he for now.
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Shame about the video failure, the audio and actual game is great.
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Man SH is a grim unit, either it fails or it completely sieges opponents for 20min until they die...
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The man, the myth, the legend, TheGunRun is trying to fix the problem. It may be the ingest - which would be TB's uplink into twitch.
wait... it's working now for me. o.O Pls stay good. And if this happens to TB (whom, maybe silly of me, I assume is on a business class connection and should be immune to throttling) I would hate to be on mid-tier service with TWC in that area. (I haven't ever really been a fan of TWC, and that includes when I was in bondage to them.)
TB also trying to fix it. Still... "No one will watch NA players"? 20.5k viewers with horribad video lag. Might be better if it were more watchable, so I guess there might be an audience.
+ Show Spoiler + I can't imagine all of them are just connected "for eSports!1!"
In the time I've been typing this, it has been fine for 10 seconds and is now back to radio broadcast.
... and I've only seen problems on TB's stream for the last week or so. Kindof messed up. (Like the cable monopoly system currently.)
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man wtf is protoss supposed to do about this unit composition? so abusive...
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On May 06 2013 03:59 vojnik wrote:
someone tell Husky Puck is not a HE
They showed a picture of Puck before the game. If that was a female, she was the most male-looking female I've ever seen.
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What a great first game if it weren't for Twitch problems but the German Stream is running smooth at 1080p
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On May 06 2013 04:00 DueSs wrote:Puck doesn't care about what pronoun is used.
Someone should tell them it's Leiya...NOT PUCK
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On May 06 2013 04:02 FrogOfWar wrote:They showed a picture of Puck before the game. If that was a female, she was the most male-looking female I've ever seen.
You would be forgiven for thinking it a picture, but it was actually video.
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On May 06 2013 04:04 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:00 DueSs wrote:On May 06 2013 03:59 vojnik wrote:
someone tell Husky Puck is not a HE Puck doesn't care about what pronoun is used. Someone should tell them it's Leiya...NOT PUCK
It's actually Puck again
edit: Just tuned in, the lag is pretty hard to deal with :/
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why is this lagging so much?
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On May 06 2013 04:04 Lemonayd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:04 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 06 2013 04:00 DueSs wrote:On May 06 2013 03:59 vojnik wrote:
someone tell Husky Puck is not a HE Puck doesn't care about what pronoun is used. Someone should tell them it's Leiya...NOT PUCK It's actually Puck again
Poor fella/fellette is seemingly confused about his/her identity. He/she will figure it out, I'm sure.
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They're trying to fix it, TB said he was going to shut down the stream after that game, and TheGunrun is working on it.
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Man, Puck would've saved himself/herself a lot of trouble by not telling about this stuff to everyone so early.
I can understand that transitioning is a difficult process but this is just a mess.
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On May 06 2013 04:06 DueSs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:04 Lemonayd wrote:On May 06 2013 04:04 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 06 2013 04:00 DueSs wrote:On May 06 2013 03:59 vojnik wrote:
someone tell Husky Puck is not a HE Puck doesn't care about what pronoun is used. Someone should tell them it's Leiya...NOT PUCK It's actually Puck again Poor fella/fellette is seemingly confused about his/her identity. He/she will figure it out, I'm sure.
I think people just need to remember Puck is probably just as confused as we are about how to identify him/her. Dealing with that sort of thing is really difficult.
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On May 06 2013 04:02 felisconcolori wrote:The man, the myth, the legend, TheGunRun is trying to fix the problem. It may be the ingest - which would be TB's uplink into twitch. wait... it's working now for me. o.O Pls stay good. And if this happens to TB (whom, maybe silly of me, I assume is on a business class connection and should be immune to throttling) I would hate to be on mid-tier service with TWC in that area. (I haven't ever really been a fan of TWC, and that includes when I was in bondage to them.) TB also trying to fix it. Still... "No one will watch NA players"? 20.5k viewers with horribad video lag. Might be better if it were more watchable, so I guess there might be an audience. + Show Spoiler + I can't imagine all of them are just connected "for eSports!1!" In the time I've been typing this, it has been fine for 10 seconds and is now back to radio broadcast. ... and I've only seen problems on TB's stream for the last week or so. Kindof messed up. (Like the cable monopoly system currently.)
TWC is a fucking joke company, I really hope they get put out of business soon by Google.
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On May 06 2013 04:04 Lemonayd wrote:
edit: Just tuned in, the lag is pretty hard to deal with :/
You can watch one of the other streams with tbs and huskys audio.
The German stream doesn't lag at all.
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Conspiracy theory: TWC is unhappy they are not getting free advertising for providing the initial transport. So they are engaging in some creative routing/traffic shaping. Possible because of Sundance. But secretly, it's Hot_Bid re-enacting that scene in Airplane!.
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pray to the internet gods for a miracle fix
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Why are people allowed to openly troll about Puck here?
There was a pregame banter including webcam. Not only did Puck introduce himself as male, and his teammate Vibe referenced him as a male, he also was on camera and was clearly visibly male, both because he actually had beard stubble as well as a manly voice.
I think the mods should not allow people to troll about Puck here... I think this is pretty disrespectful tbh...
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ViBE is one of the best SH users I've seen on NA. Solid play from him.
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On May 06 2013 04:10 h0munkulus wrote:
Why are people allowed to openly troll about Puck here?
There was a pregame banter including webcam. Not only did Puck introduce himself as male, and his teammate Vibe referenced him as a male, he also was on camera and was clearly visibly male, both because he actually had beard stubble as well as a manly voice.
I think the mods should not allow people to troll about Puck here... I think this is pretty disrespectful tbh...
You don't know Puck's history do you? Obviously not. There is enough reason for the confusion.
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PvZ in HotS looks gorgeous, so much stuff works in that matchup
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Seems that Thegunrun has worked his magic, stream seems to be working fine after the reset.
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On May 06 2013 04:09 nickbalev wrote:
pray to the internet gods for a miracle fix
And by internet gods you mean TheGunrun?
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This is awesome. *Applause* to TB and team for putting this together.
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Ahhhh. Yes. Internet Leviathons. I will stow my anti-cable companies pitchfork for now. But I will leave my tinfoil hat readily accessible. Hopefully we get some more wonderful root on root action in this next game.
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Just a quick note to Shoutcraft staff that the stream needs to be readded to the event on TL.
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Did the players pick their own profile units? SH for Vibe seems very fitting.
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Shoutcraft needs to be moved to the event on the stream list.
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On May 06 2013 04:10 h0munkulus wrote:
Why are people allowed to openly troll about Puck here?
There was a pregame banter including webcam. Not only did Puck introduce himself as male, and his teammate Vibe referenced him as a male, he also was on camera and was clearly visibly male, both because he actually had beard stubble as well as a manly voice.
I think the mods should not allow people to troll about Puck here... I think this is pretty disrespectful tbh...
puck went on reddit the other day to address the issues with his gender. apparently he's just as confused as the rest of us!
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On May 06 2013 04:22 Bear4188 wrote:
Shoutcraft needs to be moved to the event on the stream list.
Yeah... stream missing from TL is not helping. At 22k viewers in game2 between puck and vibe it is looking decent.
Stream is here: http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit
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Wait, correct me if I am wrong and I might very well be. But was that Clutch's voice announcing the names there?
EDIT: Ha I was right! Sweet addition there.
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Still lagging like crazy on 720 for me
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Wow Vibe... Trying to run from VRs with overlords?
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On May 06 2013 04:31 niekoz wrote:
Still lagging like crazy on 720 for me
Works perfectly for me at least.
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I didn't think it was possible but chat may be too civilized right now with talk of UK immigration and CV's while leagues of zerg units are being blown outta the sky. These games have been insane!
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On May 06 2013 04:32 Bagi wrote:
Wow Vibe... Trying to run from VRs with overlords?
No, more like sitting in front of VRs with overlords
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On May 06 2013 04:32 Bagi wrote:
Wow Vibe... Trying to run from VRs with overlords?
You'd think being stabbed in the ass by lasers would speed them up.
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Vibe keeps losing mutas for no reason.
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On May 06 2013 04:35 Bagi wrote:
Vibe keeps losing mutas for no reason.
Yeah I think he has move commanded like 6-7 of them to their death
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Vibe could have had that game if he didn't lose his entire army for no reason. Most of the overlords could have escaped when puCK did the first recall.
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Vibe
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Sorry there is no victory screen guys. I will fix it tonight. I broke it when I was trying to add better support for stalemate situations and I didn't realize it no longer was triggered when a player quits the game.
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pretty awesome game again. very entertaining
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this has a lot more viewers than i expected tbh
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I gotta say that I'm really happy that the stream issues are sorted out; while the games aren't of tip top caliber, they are incredibly entertaining and its clear that both Vibe and Puck are playing pretty well.
Edit: And as I say that, the stream dies
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And it just went offline....?
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On May 06 2013 04:38 Schelim wrote:
this has a lot more viewers than i expected tbh
TB can stream watering plants and 10k would watch; at least if he commentates it
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On May 06 2013 04:39 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:38 Schelim wrote:
this has a lot more viewers than i expected tbh TB can stream watering plants and 10k would watch; at least if he commentates it
I'd watch that, I'm sure he'd make it entertaining
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On May 06 2013 04:39 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:38 Schelim wrote:
this has a lot more viewers than i expected tbh TB can stream watering plants and 10k would watch; at least if he commentates it
I think he got around 16k while streaming Game Dev Tycoon.
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On May 06 2013 04:42 YoungTyTy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:39 grs wrote:On May 06 2013 04:38 Schelim wrote:
this has a lot more viewers than i expected tbh TB can stream watering plants and 10k would watch; at least if he commentates it I'd watch that, I'm sure he'd make it entertaining
Spawning in the pot, in the green trunks, it's ROOT.ROSE!!!
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True agreed, TB AND Husky both bring audiences to this built in legitimacy to the games and makes AM SC2 lot more fun. And actually these games have been high level in their own special way.
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On May 06 2013 04:37 GameHeart wrote:
Sorry there is no victory screen guys. I will fix it tonight. I broke it when I was trying to add better support for stalemate situations and I didn't realize it no longer was triggered when a player quits the game.
When the Observers went into Pucks vision and could see the creep at the hidden bases, was that actually Puck having them scouted? Because he couldn't see the hatcheries but he could see the whole amount of creep, so he should have been able to see a hatchery in the middle as well.
I'm not sure if I missed something there or if that is a bug where the observers see all the creep even though they switched to the opponent's vision
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On May 06 2013 04:42 Jnai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:42 YoungTyTy wrote:On May 06 2013 04:39 grs wrote:On May 06 2013 04:38 Schelim wrote:
this has a lot more viewers than i expected tbh TB can stream watering plants and 10k would watch; at least if he commentates it I'd watch that, I'm sure he'd make it entertaining Spawning in the pot, in the green trunks, it's ROOT.ROSE!!!
Nice :D
Actually that would be a hilarious idea if ROOT all changed to plant names, no other team has done that before.
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On May 06 2013 04:42 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:39 grs wrote:On May 06 2013 04:38 Schelim wrote:
this has a lot more viewers than i expected tbh TB can stream watering plants and 10k would watch; at least if he commentates it I think he got around 16k while streaming Game Dev Tycoon.
It actually spiked to 20k at some points and held steady at 19k near the end. Was pretty absurd seeing one game stream > every single SC2 stream combined in viewers
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On May 06 2013 04:45 Darkaros wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:42 felisconcolori wrote:On May 06 2013 04:39 grs wrote:On May 06 2013 04:38 Schelim wrote:
this has a lot more viewers than i expected tbh TB can stream watering plants and 10k would watch; at least if he commentates it I think he got around 16k while streaming Game Dev Tycoon. It actually spiked to 20k at some points and held steady at 19k near the end. Was pretty absurd seeing one game stream > every single SC2 stream combined in viewers
Let us hope TB only uses his dark arts for good.
+ Show Spoiler +Oh hell, let's be real. Hopefully he only aims his dry wit and sharp British cynicism at worthy targets.
Can't really complain about the exposure he gives to SC2 to a wider audience.
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Why did the main stream go offline?
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blizzard and the illuminati making sure this anti-wcs tournament goes no further 
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Well thats weird. Thanks!
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On May 06 2013 04:38 farvacola wrote:I gotta say that I'm really happy that the stream issues are sorted out; while the games aren't of tip top caliber, they are incredibly entertaining and its clear that both Vibe and Puck are playing pretty well. Edit: And as I say that, the stream dies
You jinxed it, you should know by now never to say anything like that!
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On May 06 2013 04:50 nkr wrote:blizzard and the illuminati making sure this anti-wcs tournament goes no further
it's not even close, 23k vs 10k viewers
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On May 06 2013 04:38 farvacola wrote:I gotta say that I'm really happy that the stream issues are sorted out; while the games aren't of tip top caliber, they are incredibly entertaining and its clear that both Vibe and Puck are playing pretty well. Edit: And as I say that, the stream dies
As long as foreigners stay aggressive and don't play NR20 minutes, I often really enjoy the games.
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On May 06 2013 04:52 RHoudini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:50 nkr wrote:blizzard and the illuminati making sure this anti-wcs tournament goes no further it's not even close, 23k vs 10k viewers
It's 21:50 here. WCS NA was at 2AM most time, and during the week. Can we not play this game?
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This event looks great but one question, was Illusion invited?
I think many people would agree he would have a good chance to win this and hes American.
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On May 06 2013 04:54 csn_andrew wrote:
This event looks great but one question, was Illusion invited?
I think many people would agree he would have a good chance to win this and hes American.
I don't think there were invites. Players were selected by NA ladder rank/position. Top 16 eligible players of NA ladder.
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On May 06 2013 04:54 csn_andrew wrote:
This event looks great but one question, was Illusion invited?
I think many people would agree he would have a good chance to win this and hes American.
There were 'invites'. They qualified by ladder ranking (GM).
and lol, that would have been hilarious if that pylon ended up finishing up in the main and warp in stuff.
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Am I the only one that doesn't like all the new UsI? I really miss the player's control groups
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And, oh my, my eyes are in heaven watching this 60fps 720p+ goodness.
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On May 06 2013 04:54 csn_andrew wrote:
This event looks great but one question, was Illusion invited?
I think many people would agree he would have a good chance to win this and hes American.
Ladder qualifer not invites.
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Thanks for the clarification, I suppose that was the best and fairest way to do it.
Would have liked to seen him compete of course, even though he didn't move on to the Ro16, his games in WCS last week were so entertaining to watch.
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On May 06 2013 04:52 RHoudini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:50 nkr wrote:blizzard and the illuminati making sure this anti-wcs tournament goes no further it's not even close, 23k vs 10k viewers
haha yea a MAIN EVENT vs a qualifier for a tier 2 tournament... get the picture?
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On May 06 2013 04:58 Greentellon wrote:
And, oh my, my eyes are in heaven watching this 60fps 720p+ goodness.
This! Sooooooo smoooooooooooth :D
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Wait, is this Gerudo Valley?
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Cool stuff! I like the logo >_<
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For those interested in how the ladder played out in the 5 days prior to the season ending, check out the links below.
4/26
4/27
4/28
4/29
4/30
2 Hours Before the End
SC2Links will also be posting spoiler free VODs of this event as soon as they are available.
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On May 06 2013 04:54 csn_andrew wrote:
This event looks great but one question, was Illusion invited?
I think many people would agree he would have a good chance to win this and hes American.
Illusion did ladder on a shared barcode NA-account last season and so this could not be considered his account following the rules of the tournament.
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Just tuned in, how have the games been like so far?
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No adverts? How does the tournament make its monies?
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On May 06 2013 05:08 Greendotz wrote:
No adverts? How does the tournament make its monies?
TB and his unlimited Youtube money probably pays for everything.
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On May 06 2013 05:04 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 04:54 csn_andrew wrote:
This event looks great but one question, was Illusion invited?
I think many people would agree he would have a good chance to win this and hes American.
Illusion did ladder on a shared barcode NA-account last season and so this could not be considered his account following the rules of the tournament.
Same thing with Scarlett from what I've heard.
Really sucks that we miss out on some of the best NA players like this, but rules are rules I guess.
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On May 06 2013 05:08 namste wrote:
Just tuned in, how have the games been like so far?
Very entertaining. There's no denying that the calibre isn't top tier (like Korean Code S/A) but since both players are of very equal/similar skill it raises the perceived skill level (if that makes sense? It's not a one-sided roflstomp) and leads to some very close game. Also there's been some pretty unique strats thrown around, so yeah, good fun games so far.
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is there a way to see how many $ are tipped for the players?
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Minigun got pointy teeth - kinda vampiric
OK thats it - trash talk or no tip!
Anyway yeah, go Minigun!
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I like the pre-game interviews a lot! I hope they keep doing those throughout the tournament.
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i like minigun's chances. maker looked pretty mediocre in his last few broadcast matches
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Aligulac predictions for anyone who was wonering:
Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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LeiYa 67.36% 35.98% 31.39% 18.81% 13.83%
Minigun 60.60% 33.04% 27.56% 20.72% 18.67%
ViBE 36.90% 16.25% 20.66% 29.64% 33.46%
Maker 35.13% 14.73% 20.39% 30.83% 34.04%
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That was bad from maker ...
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On May 06 2013 04:37 GameHeart wrote:
Sorry there is no victory screen guys. I will fix it tonight. I broke it when I was trying to add better support for stalemate situations and I didn't realize it no longer was triggered when a player quits the game.
GameHeart is awesome! But i noticed the worker count that is shown does not match with the unit count tab. I know it also counts the workers that are in construction but than its still incorrect if im right.
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maker wtf, still hasnt realized minigun didn't get colo range, and hasnt started ghosts even though his drops got feedbacked..
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On May 06 2013 05:26 niekoz wrote:GameHeart is awesome! But i noticed the worker count that is shown does not match with the unit count tab. I know it also counts the workers that are in construction but than its still incorrect if im right.
Yes I believe the worker count in gameheart includes workers under construction and mules as well. I just have it checking for all units with the 'worker' tag. I will look at it tonight when fixing the victory screen to see if I can correct that.
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The observer is not paying attention to the minimap. Minigun just sent a lone stalker to pick off one of the wounded medivacs and it wasn't caught at all.
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maker keeps throwing units at minigun and minigun keeps killing the EZPZ.
loving minigun's chances to advance
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Stream still super choppy on 240p, gee fucking gee
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On May 06 2013 05:29 Crownlol wrote:
Stream still super choppy on 240p, gee fucking gee
I'm not having any issues.
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I think the casters are underestimating how many probes died to the early hellbat drops. Maker has never been far behind in the game.
And as soon as I post this Maker starts to mis-micro everything and ends up miles behind.
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On May 06 2013 05:30 hzflank wrote:
I think the casters are underestimating how many probes died to the early hellbat drops. Maker has never been far behind in the game.
really? minigun was never behind in workers this whole game. plus with all those failed drops i think minigun has been in a sizable lead this whole game
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Maker's been slowly dying for the last 10 minutes. Has never had much of a chance anywhere especially without EMP.
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I don't care if they don't play the game at the highest level; TB and Husky are so fucking great.
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On May 06 2013 05:30 hzflank wrote:
I think the casters are underestimating how many probes died to the early hellbat drops. Maker has never been far behind in the game.
What?? Minigun's 3/3 was half way done by the time maker started his +2 weapon
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Minigun is obliterating Makers armies. Makers armies just melt away.
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On May 06 2013 05:12 Greendotz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:08 namste wrote:
Just tuned in, how have the games been like so far? Very entertaining. There's no denying that the calibre isn't top tier (like Korean Code S/A) but since both players are of very equal/similar skill it raises the perceived skill level (if that makes sense? It's not a one-sided roflstomp) and leads to some very close game. Also there's been some pretty unique strats thrown around, so yeah, good fun games so far.
NA players are better than people give them credit for. Puck just beat both Sage and Hyun the other day in WCS qualifiers for example. If that isn't Code A level play than I don't know what is.
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On May 06 2013 05:33 LeeDawg wrote:
what are ghosts?
What are what?
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On May 06 2013 05:34 Vindicare605 wrote:What are what?
Do they speak English in What?
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On May 06 2013 05:33 LeeDawg wrote:
what are ghosts?
Ghosts don't exist. :p
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On May 06 2013 05:28 ThePowerHour wrote:
The observer is not paying attention to the minimap. Minigun just sent a lone stalker to pick off one of the wounded medivacs and it wasn't caught at all.
As noted earlier on Twitter, TotalBiscuit is currently pulling what I refer to as a "full Kaelaris" - he is the production, the observer, and commentator. (With Husky, granted. But then Kaelaris got ToD recently.)
So I think I can forgive him for not being Legend. Or even Adebisi. You can figure out for yourself.
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On May 06 2013 05:35 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:34 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 06 2013 05:33 LeeDawg wrote:
what are ghosts? What are what? Do they speak English in What?
Does he look like a bitch?
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On May 06 2013 05:33 goswser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:12 Greendotz wrote:On May 06 2013 05:08 namste wrote:
Just tuned in, how have the games been like so far? Very entertaining. There's no denying that the calibre isn't top tier (like Korean Code S/A) but since both players are of very equal/similar skill it raises the perceived skill level (if that makes sense? It's not a one-sided roflstomp) and leads to some very close game. Also there's been some pretty unique strats thrown around, so yeah, good fun games so far. NA players are better than people give them credit for. Puck just beat both Sage and Hyun the other day in WCS qualifiers for example. If that isn't Code A level play than I don't know what is.
It was cross server man. You can't ignore that.
0 North Americans have advanced to the ro16 and don't forget that 8 Koreans qualified in the first qualifier.
Hell, Demuslim is a far stronger player than Puck and he lost to Byun 17 times in a row on ladder...
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didn't minigun own idra in an mlg qualifier?
also, i felt like maker was in a good spot... just threw the big engagements.
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On May 06 2013 05:38 heartagram wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:33 goswser wrote:On May 06 2013 05:12 Greendotz wrote:On May 06 2013 05:08 namste wrote:
Just tuned in, how have the games been like so far? Very entertaining. There's no denying that the calibre isn't top tier (like Korean Code S/A) but since both players are of very equal/similar skill it raises the perceived skill level (if that makes sense? It's not a one-sided roflstomp) and leads to some very close game. Also there's been some pretty unique strats thrown around, so yeah, good fun games so far. NA players are better than people give them credit for. Puck just beat both Sage and Hyun the other day in WCS qualifiers for example. If that isn't Code A level play than I don't know what is. It was cross server man. You can't ignore that. 0 North Americans have advanced to the ro16 and don't forget that 8 Koreans qualified in the first qualifier. Hell, Demuslim is a far stronger player than Puck and he lost to Byun 17 times in a row on ladder...
I don't think Demuslim is better than Puck.
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On May 06 2013 05:36 FrogOfWar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:35 grs wrote:On May 06 2013 05:34 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 06 2013 05:33 LeeDawg wrote:
what are ghosts? What are what? Do they speak English in What? Does he look like a bitch?
what?
*gunshot*
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Maybe not have the scv in the same control group as the army?
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Cool nexus save by Minigun.
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This push... see that so often from NA players. Never have seen it work.
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On May 06 2013 05:38 heartagram wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:33 goswser wrote:On May 06 2013 05:12 Greendotz wrote:On May 06 2013 05:08 namste wrote:
Just tuned in, how have the games been like so far? Very entertaining. There's no denying that the calibre isn't top tier (like Korean Code S/A) but since both players are of very equal/similar skill it raises the perceived skill level (if that makes sense? It's not a one-sided roflstomp) and leads to some very close game. Also there's been some pretty unique strats thrown around, so yeah, good fun games so far. NA players are better than people give them credit for. Puck just beat both Sage and Hyun the other day in WCS qualifiers for example. If that isn't Code A level play than I don't know what is. It was cross server man. You can't ignore that. 0 North Americans have advanced to the ro16 and don't forget that 8 Koreans qualified in the first qualifier. Hell, Demuslim is a far stronger player than Puck and he lost to Byun 17 times in a row on ladder...
As crazy as that was, they DO normally go fairly even on a day to day basis.
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not saying maker is bad, as he's loads better than me, but his play in the mlg qualifiers vs suppy, in wcs vs alicia and moonglade, and now vs minigun leaves a lot to be desired
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On May 06 2013 05:47 SinCitta wrote:
This push... see that so often from NA players. Never have seen it work.
Yeah, actually amazing how hard photon overchage shut it down. Planet S is probably the worst map to do it on too.
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Well, hate to be a negative nancy, but I'm vehemently watching the mini-map. So much being missed.
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come on observer you missed that drop on the main -.-" i wanted to see the stalkers eat it
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wtf am i watching, feels like mid masters from eu.
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They really need a better observer...
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
is husky acting as the analytical caster in this duo?
o_O
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I think TB is both casting and observing, hard to do both accurately at the same time. Hope we get a dedicated observer next time.
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On May 06 2013 05:51 DueSs wrote:
Well, hate to be a negative nancy, but I'm vehemently watching the mini-map. So much being missed.
Yep.
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On May 06 2013 05:49 LeeDawg wrote:
not saying maker is bad, as he's loads better than me, but his play in the mlg qualifiers vs suppy, in wcs vs alicia and moonglade, and now vs minigun leaves a lot to be desired
I wonder if nerves are the big issue? He's obviously good enough to hold a high rank on GM, but his offline track-record is limited (honestly I actually hadn't heard of him until the WCS seed announcement). Lack of experience I think.
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On May 06 2013 05:51 Cokefreak wrote:
Is TB observing?
Apparently, he said so on Twitter.
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On May 06 2013 05:54 FrogOfWar wrote:Apparently, he said so on Twitter.
That explains a lot. Why not have a dedicated observer...?
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On May 06 2013 05:52 neoghaleon55 wrote:
ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
is husky acting as the analytical caster in this duo?
o_O
Are you not entertained?
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I think you are expecting a bit too much here. The Shoutcrafts have always been only partly about game quality, analysis, etc. and more about giving players a spotlight and spectaters a fun tournament to watch. I think this one is doing well in that aspect, if you don't expect something that was not to be expected.
Just enjoy the show.
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Hey guys lets spread the word on twitter #shoutcraft or #shoutcraftAM
SPREAD THE WORD LETS GET 50k VIEWERS!
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On May 06 2013 05:56 grs wrote:
I think you are expecting a bit too much here. The Shoutcrafts have always been only partly about game quality, analysis, etc. and more about giving players a spotlight and spectaters a fun tournament to watch. I think this one is doing well in that aspect, if you don't expect something that was not to be expected.
Just enjoy the show.
Well I'm sorry that it's hard to enjoy it when the main observer/caster misses a huge douple drop into gg.
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On May 06 2013 05:53 Greendotz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:49 LeeDawg wrote:
not saying maker is bad, as he's loads better than me, but his play in the mlg qualifiers vs suppy, in wcs vs alicia and moonglade, and now vs minigun leaves a lot to be desired I wonder if nerves are the big issue? He's obviously good enough to hold a high rank on GM, but his offline track-record is limited (honestly I actually hadn't heard of him until the WCS seed announcement). Lack of experience I think.
Could be a fatal case of Kas syndrome
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I like their music
Zircon is awesome
I'm glad someone else in the starcraft community likes them, too.
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I'm not sure if Maker playing on Cinco de Mayo gives him an advantage or a disadvantage.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriba!
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On May 06 2013 05:58 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:56 grs wrote:
I think you are expecting a bit too much here. The Shoutcrafts have always been only partly about game quality, analysis, etc. and more about giving players a spotlight and spectaters a fun tournament to watch. I think this one is doing well in that aspect, if you don't expect something that was not to be expected.
Just enjoy the show. Well I'm sorry that it's hard to enjoy it when the main observer/caster misses a huge douple drop into gg.
No need to be sorry, just saying you wont get that here.
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On May 06 2013 05:59 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:58 Cokefreak wrote:On May 06 2013 05:56 grs wrote:
I think you are expecting a bit too much here. The Shoutcrafts have always been only partly about game quality, analysis, etc. and more about giving players a spotlight and spectaters a fun tournament to watch. I think this one is doing well in that aspect, if you don't expect something that was not to be expected.
Just enjoy the show. Well I'm sorry that it's hard to enjoy it when the main observer/caster misses a huge douple drop into gg. No need to be sorry, just saying you wont get that here.
Yeah, I moved on T_T snooker world finals \o/
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Is the entire group ROOT players?
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On May 06 2013 06:02 Jnai wrote:
Is the entire group ROOT players?
All but Maker.
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On May 06 2013 06:02 Jnai wrote:
Is the entire group ROOT players?
This group has 3 ROOT players.
And I think Group C has 2 ROOT players.
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Bring in Idra and Cruncher to "guest" smacktalk so nobody gets hurt for BM but we also get the BM goodness.
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On May 06 2013 05:59 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:53 Greendotz wrote:On May 06 2013 05:49 LeeDawg wrote:
not saying maker is bad, as he's loads better than me, but his play in the mlg qualifiers vs suppy, in wcs vs alicia and moonglade, and now vs minigun leaves a lot to be desired I wonder if nerves are the big issue? He's obviously good enough to hold a high rank on GM, but his offline track-record is limited (honestly I actually hadn't heard of him until the WCS seed announcement). Lack of experience I think. Could be a fatal case of Kas syndrome
You take that back right now.
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Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 47s
Xsplit crash, we will be back up in 2 mins
Lolwut ...
Edit: Ah, now it's black. It seems my stream was a few minutes behind.
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What happened to Idra? Just curious, did he not qualify? Surprised to not see him in this.
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5 dollars bet!!
It's on!!!!
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On May 06 2013 06:06 FrogOfWar wrote:
Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 47s
Xsplit crash, we will be back up in 2 mins
Lolwut ...
Edit: Ah, now it's black. It seems my stream was a few minutes behind.
They're probably using a delay to avoid stream cheating etc.
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On May 06 2013 06:06 Jnai wrote:
What happened to Idra? Just curious, did he not qualify? Surprised to not see him in this.
He wasn't top 16GM when the season ended.
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On May 06 2013 06:08 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:06 Jnai wrote:
What happened to Idra? Just curious, did he not qualify? Surprised to not see him in this. He wasn't top 16GM when the season ended.
Oh. Surprised.
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It is... ROOT Crash? When did they sign that player?
Poor TB. Xsplit crapping all over the place.
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On May 06 2013 06:08 Jnai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:08 Thrax wrote:On May 06 2013 06:06 Jnai wrote:
What happened to Idra? Just curious, did he not qualify? Surprised to not see him in this. He wasn't top 16GM when the season ended. Oh. Surprised.
Yeah... he lost a lot of points in the last 3 days before the season end. If he had not played, he would have made it in.
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On May 06 2013 06:06 Ace Frehley wrote:
5 dollars bet!!
It's on!!!!
Up to $50 post crash! Tune in after this crash to see if it's upped to $500!
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Husky: ...the Gods of <STREAM CRASH>
TB: ...In the red trunks, it is <STREAM CRASH>
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On May 06 2013 06:08 Jnai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:08 Thrax wrote:On May 06 2013 06:06 Jnai wrote:
What happened to Idra? Just curious, did he not qualify? Surprised to not see him in this. He wasn't top 16GM when the season ended. Oh. Surprised.
i think he was 17 or 18 and got bumped at the last minute by vibe
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puck is decent but still seems like hes a cheesy player
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what's wrong with the upper left corner? some weird overlay issue?
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Hm, still unlisted on TL sidebar. I hope TB remembers to relist it, it could help with numbers.
Edit: horray it's up
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On May 06 2013 06:14 Noonius wrote:
what's wrong with the upper left corner? some weird overlay issue?
I think it's related to the fix TB had to apply after XSplit's game capture stopped working..
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Between seeing Husky lose 50 bucks or Minigun being eliminated first, I am confused.
I guess I will root for Puck, Husky is skinny enough, poor fellah he needs more Taco Bell.
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On May 06 2013 06:24 DeathProfessor wrote:
Between seeing Husky lose 50 bucks or Minigun being eliminated first, I am confused.
I guess I will root for Puck, Husky is skinny enough, poor fellah he needs more Taco Bell.
Some day, some day, Taco Bell will get the damn hint and drop a sponsorship deal on Husky.
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Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage.
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XSplit go home, you're drunk
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On May 06 2013 06:27 Rudermensch wrote:Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage.
discussed to death in this thread, but puck is as confused about his/her gender as the rest of us
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On May 06 2013 06:28 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:27 Rudermensch wrote:Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage. discussed to death in this thread, but puck is as confused about his/her gender as the rest of us
She publicly stated she was transgender so I don't know why it would be confusing? Did she say something else recently?
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On May 06 2013 06:29 Rudermensch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:28 LeeDawg wrote:On May 06 2013 06:27 Rudermensch wrote:Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage. discussed to death in this thread, but puck is as confused about his/her gender as the rest of us She publicly stated she was transgender so I don't know why it would be confusing? Did she say something else recently?
Short answer - Yes.
Long answer - go find it on Reddit.
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On May 06 2013 06:29 Rudermensch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:28 LeeDawg wrote:On May 06 2013 06:27 Rudermensch wrote:Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage. discussed to death in this thread, but puck is as confused about his/her gender as the rest of us She publicly stated she was transgender so I don't know why it would be confusing? Did she say something else recently?
Yes.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1d0bjn/is_leiya_puckk_again/c9loq6d?context=3
Short story, Puck's fine with being referred to as a he, at least for the sake of convenience. FFS, even Puck's teammate refer to Puck as a he.
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On May 06 2013 06:29 Rudermensch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:28 LeeDawg wrote:On May 06 2013 06:27 Rudermensch wrote:Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage. discussed to death in this thread, but puck is as confused about his/her gender as the rest of us She publicly stated she was transgender so I don't know why it would be confusing? Did she say something else recently?
Puck wants to be identified as a male right now.
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Ugh why do people make an Oracle when opening Stargate? A Stalker in the mineral line and it's completely shut down. Needs that speed buff because until then it's a gimmicky coin flip, just make a Phoenix ffs.
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On May 06 2013 06:33 Exarl25 wrote:
Ugh why do people make an Oracle when opening Stargate? A Stalker in the mineral line and it's completely shut down. Needs that speed buff because until then it's a gimmicky coin flip, just make a Phoenix ffs.
Yeah but what if there isn't that stalker?
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On May 06 2013 06:34 dabom88 wrote:
This framerate has become a bit unwatchable. Just restart Xsplit.
Haven't noticed any issue myself.
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On May 06 2013 06:35 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:33 Exarl25 wrote:
Ugh why do people make an Oracle when opening Stargate? A Stalker in the mineral line and it's completely shut down. Needs that speed buff because until then it's a gimmicky coin flip, just make a Phoenix ffs. Yeah but what if there isn't that stalker?
Then woo hoo you killed like 10 Probes. That's why it's a gimmicky coin flip. You shouldn't be basing your play around the hope that your opponent plays like an idiot.
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On May 06 2013 06:37 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:35 GreyKnight wrote:On May 06 2013 06:33 Exarl25 wrote:
Ugh why do people make an Oracle when opening Stargate? A Stalker in the mineral line and it's completely shut down. Needs that speed buff because until then it's a gimmicky coin flip, just make a Phoenix ffs. Yeah but what if there isn't that stalker? Then woo hoo you killed like 10 Probes. That's why it's a gimmicky coin flip. You shouldn't be basing your play around the hope that your opponent plays like an idiot.
Exactly that risk is big enough to force the opponent to play differently.
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TB shouldn't be using that fancy drawing tool until he fixes the TvP scoreboard :p.
He's doing a decent job with all the production juggling though.
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On May 06 2013 06:37 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:35 GreyKnight wrote:On May 06 2013 06:33 Exarl25 wrote:
Ugh why do people make an Oracle when opening Stargate? A Stalker in the mineral line and it's completely shut down. Needs that speed buff because until then it's a gimmicky coin flip, just make a Phoenix ffs. Yeah but what if there isn't that stalker? Then woo hoo you killed like 10 Probes. That's why it's a gimmicky coin flip. You shouldn't be basing your play around the hope that your opponent plays like an idiot.
Wat, and never use widow mines? ;-)
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On May 06 2013 06:37 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:35 GreyKnight wrote:On May 06 2013 06:33 Exarl25 wrote:
Ugh why do people make an Oracle when opening Stargate? A Stalker in the mineral line and it's completely shut down. Needs that speed buff because until then it's a gimmicky coin flip, just make a Phoenix ffs. Yeah but what if there isn't that stalker? Then woo hoo you killed like 10 Probes. That's why it's a gimmicky coin flip. You shouldn't be basing your play around the hope that your opponent plays like an idiot.
Plus it's a pure BO loss vs. stargate- > pheonix.
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On May 06 2013 06:31 Darkaros wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:29 Rudermensch wrote:On May 06 2013 06:28 LeeDawg wrote:On May 06 2013 06:27 Rudermensch wrote:Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage. discussed to death in this thread, but puck is as confused about his/her gender as the rest of us She publicly stated she was transgender so I don't know why it would be confusing? Did she say something else recently? Yes. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1d0bjn/is_leiya_puckk_again/c9loq6d?context=3Short story, Puck's fine with being referred to as a he, at least for the sake of convenience. FFS, even Puck's teammate refer to Puck as a he.
Ok thanks for linking me to that. It sounds like they're unsure about their gender identity. Without knowing the background of their current situation it came across as Husky and TB being really rude.
I don't see how Puck's teammates' use of pronouns is important, but regardless at least Puck's fine with whatever pronoun is used.
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On May 06 2013 06:40 Rudermensch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:31 Darkaros wrote:On May 06 2013 06:29 Rudermensch wrote:On May 06 2013 06:28 LeeDawg wrote:On May 06 2013 06:27 Rudermensch wrote:Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage. discussed to death in this thread, but puck is as confused about his/her gender as the rest of us She publicly stated she was transgender so I don't know why it would be confusing? Did she say something else recently? Yes. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1d0bjn/is_leiya_puckk_again/c9loq6d?context=3Short story, Puck's fine with being referred to as a he, at least for the sake of convenience. FFS, even Puck's teammate refer to Puck as a he. Ok thanks for linking me to that. It sounds like they're unsure about their gender identity. Without knowing the background of their current situation it came across as Husky and TB being really rude. I don't see how Puck's teammates' use of pronouns is important, but regardless at least Puck's fine with whatever pronoun is used.
Well, of course teammates' use of pronouns isn't important
But neither is that of the casters. Keep in mind that TB helped organize the tournament; the casters either know about Puck's circumstances or they're just innocently incorrect. Why in the world would you assume they're being rude to their invited players?
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On May 06 2013 06:30 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:29 Rudermensch wrote:On May 06 2013 06:28 LeeDawg wrote:On May 06 2013 06:27 Rudermensch wrote:Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage. discussed to death in this thread, but puck is as confused about his/her gender as the rest of us She publicly stated she was transgender so I don't know why it would be confusing? Did she say something else recently? Short answer - Yes. Long answer - go find it on Reddit.
Pitchforks averted.
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Max protoss armies without colossi?
This seems... inefficient.
EDIT: MINIGUN, PHOENIXES CAN FUCKING SHOOT WARP PRISMS.
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I gave this tournament a chance but these games are just flat out bad. Two players just flailing wildly at each other. Frustrating to watch.
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I dunno, trying to watch these games ut getting too sleepy XD
Just lacking the feeling of passion somehow, hoping next game feels more visceral.
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Damn just finish this game, the longer it goes the worst it gets...
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On May 06 2013 06:45 ThePowerHour wrote:
Max protoss armies without colossi?
This seems... inefficient.
EDIT: MINIGUN, PHOENIXES CAN FUCKING SHOOT WARP PRISMS.
There. Collosi. Are you happy?
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On May 06 2013 06:45 ThePowerHour wrote:
Max protoss armies without colossi?
This seems... inefficient.
EDIT: MINIGUN, PHOENIXES CAN FUCKING SHOOT WARP PRISMS.
The technology isn't there yet!
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This game is a trainwreck.
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Don't know what the hell Minigun is doing. If you don't want to just go fucking kill him just turtle the right way and build a few more cannons.
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One of the least interesting "multiple counter attacks/run by" games ever.
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On May 06 2013 06:44 Darkaros wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 06:40 Rudermensch wrote:On May 06 2013 06:31 Darkaros wrote:On May 06 2013 06:29 Rudermensch wrote:On May 06 2013 06:28 LeeDawg wrote:On May 06 2013 06:27 Rudermensch wrote:Why are Husky and TB misgendering Puck? That's really rude and also not very professional. I saw the MLG casters doing the same thing in the game against Sage. discussed to death in this thread, but puck is as confused about his/her gender as the rest of us She publicly stated she was transgender so I don't know why it would be confusing? Did she say something else recently? Yes. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1d0bjn/is_leiya_puckk_again/c9loq6d?context=3Short story, Puck's fine with being referred to as a he, at least for the sake of convenience. FFS, even Puck's teammate refer to Puck as a he. Ok thanks for linking me to that. It sounds like they're unsure about their gender identity. Without knowing the background of their current situation it came across as Husky and TB being really rude. I don't see how Puck's teammates' use of pronouns is important, but regardless at least Puck's fine with whatever pronoun is used. Well, of course teammates' use of pronouns isn't important But neither is that of the casters. Keep in mind that TB helped organize the tournament; the casters either know about Puck's circumstances or they're just innocently incorrect. Why in the world would you assume they're being rude to their invited players?
Mmm, no, what I mean is that what the teammates have to say about the choice of pronouns isn't important compared to Puck's choice. So while they should use the correct one I am not going to take their word on the pronouns over Puck's is what I am saying.
I stated already that I wasn't aware of Puck's current ambivalence to gendered pronouns and that given the last information I had was that they were using she/her pronouns, hearing Husky and TB use he/him pronouns struck me as possibly rude. In the context of some of the transmisogynistic behavior that happened (and luckily at least on TL was rapidly shut down) when Scarlett (and also Puck) came out and general (trans)misogynist behavior in much of professional gaming it seemed like a pretty normal concern to have.
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Well the good thing is, they can only improve ^^
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ameeeeerica. fuck yea!
edit: i am drunk
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Wow, great viewer turnout today.
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31k viewers? Holy hell, this is sick. So glad people are tuning in and giving this tournament the viewer count it deserves. Love all you people
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Rudermensch, surely the best thing to do is just email TB (or even PM him) or Husky asking them the question of how they know what to say, and not get involved in yet another debate that ends up going round in circles on here. Its far too easy for the trolls to get their trolling done when everyone keeps making such a massive issue of it, especially when there seems to be alot of confusion as to what exactly the situation is.
On topic, i think this has been pretty good so far. Yes there have been issues but all of the issues are just stuff that happens. TBH TB and Husky are an awesome and amusing combo and the games have been mistake laden, but very very entertaining.
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Perhaps TB means something different when he says "really good PvP". I found it a bit drawn-out tbh.
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On May 06 2013 06:59 Dodgin wrote:
Wow, great viewer turnout today.
I wonder if it's better to broadcast WCS NA during these times. Too bad it would overlap with WCS EU.
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On May 06 2013 07:02 stuchiu wrote:I wonder if it's better to broadcast WCS NA during these times. Too bad it would overlap with WCS EU.
I think WCS is changing times this week (two hours earlier) should be a bit better for EU viewers.
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On May 06 2013 07:00 Azhrei16 wrote:
31k viewers? Holy hell, this is sick. So glad people are tuning in and giving this tournament the viewer count it deserves. Love all you people
It deserves? It's got this many viewers due to good advertising, something most tournaments neglect. The games are abysmal and I had to turn the stream off because I was getting Thorzain vs Killer flashbacks. That last game was a great example of what happens when both players just keep going full foreigner whenever they get in a good position. It's sad and frustrating rather than entertaining
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Exciting to actually have an NA tournament (: Maybe it doesn't have the starpower of a big tournament but there's a lot of players to look out for
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On May 06 2013 07:02 stuchiu wrote:I wonder if it's better to broadcast WCS NA during these times. Too bad it would overlap with WCS EU.
If you can adjust the time to be better for EU viewers it will always be better for your tournament I would say.
The problem is WCS KR & WCS EU already take up the good EU timeslots.
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On May 06 2013 07:04 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:00 Azhrei16 wrote:
31k viewers? Holy hell, this is sick. So glad people are tuning in and giving this tournament the viewer count it deserves. Love all you people It deserves? It's got this many viewers due to good advertising, something most tournaments neglect. The games are abysmal and I had to turn the stream off because I was getting Thorzain vs Killer flashbacks. That last game was a great example of what happens when both players just keep going full foreigner whenever they get in a good position. It's sad and frustrating rather than entertaining
I find them entertaining,
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I am so spoiled by Legend`s observing, I end up getting frustrated with most other tournaments.
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The stream looks so good.
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On May 06 2013 07:04 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:00 Azhrei16 wrote:
31k viewers? Holy hell, this is sick. So glad people are tuning in and giving this tournament the viewer count it deserves. Love all you people It deserves? It's got this many viewers due to good advertising, something most tournaments neglect. The games are abysmal and I had to turn the stream off because I was getting Thorzain vs Killer flashbacks. That last game was a great example of what happens when both players just keep going full foreigner whenever they get in a good position. It's sad and frustrating rather than entertaining
I decided Shoutcraft America deserved my eyeballs because I like several of the players, the production value is good (even though there are have been issues - this is the first broadcast after all), most of the games have been entertaining. It's also a tournament that supports the NA scene, which is a big plus. Sure, the casting is a bit casual for my taste, but those Husky and TB mesh pretty well.
30000 other people also agreed that Shoutcraft America deserved their eyeballs.
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On May 06 2013 07:04 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:00 Azhrei16 wrote:
31k viewers? Holy hell, this is sick. So glad people are tuning in and giving this tournament the viewer count it deserves. Love all you people It deserves? It's got this many viewers due to good advertising, something most tournaments neglect. The games are abysmal and I had to turn the stream off because I was getting Thorzain vs Killer flashbacks. That last game was a great example of what happens when both players just keep going full foreigner whenever they get in a good position. It's sad and frustrating rather than entertaining
I don't see why it's an issue. If you don't want to watch it, feel free to do what you're doing while the people who enjoy it can keep watching. It seems like you're trying to say that people watching are foolish for liking what they see.
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I love this tournament, but so far I've been less than impressed by the observers who very often miss action. Maker vs Puck not showing key drops. Minigun vs Puck watching stalkers walk across the map instead of a zealot warp-in, and missing an oracle going into Puck's main, instead clicking on Minigun's units at home. The observer is idle too often, hovering over units that are standing still instead of keeping an eye on the mini-map and catching all of the action. Perhaps I'm spoiled by other observers in other tournaments, but I hope they figure out a system to improve the observing in these games.
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TB's casting has gotten a lot better.
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almost to easy, few Zealots distracting 2 colossus from Minigun
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Minigun could have ended that early on, but just waited for way too long.
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Why won't you build more Voids when you are stacking money? Or i guess anything besides Zealots would be better.
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On May 06 2013 07:19 CruelZeratul wrote:
Why won't you build more Voids when you are stacking money? Or i guess anything besides Zealots would be better.
Yeah especially when he had 23 more supply tied towards workers, he needed more tech in his smaller army (which also had less upgrades)
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On May 06 2013 07:17 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TB's casting has gotten a lot better.
He used to be my least favourite caster in SC2 (not including the lows like Moletrap, Kelly Milkies, etc). Since then he has improved greatly, and become my favourite "casual" caster in SC2. I don't think Husky is the best partner for him if you want to know what's truly happening in the game, but they are doing the best with what they have going for them.
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+20 worker for Minigun, it's cool for eco, not for 200/200 fight
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Hmm, shouldn't Minigun had just moved on that 3rd? Would've undoubtedly taken it out and Puck would've been forced to take a fight in a choke vs Minigun's concave. Instead Minigun moved to engage Puck and his army frog-marched into a colossi laser show.
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On May 06 2013 07:06 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:02 stuchiu wrote:On May 06 2013 06:59 Dodgin wrote:
Wow, great viewer turnout today. I wonder if it's better to broadcast WCS NA during these times. Too bad it would overlap with WCS EU. If you can adjust the time to be better for EU viewers it will always be better for your tournament I would say. The problem is WCS KR & WCS EU already take up the good EU timeslots.
edit: nevermind, i thought people were talking about moving shoutcraft to even better timeslout
+ Show Spoiler +All WCS premier and challenger league games ( except finals ) are going to be during Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday in case you have not noticed. ( Just look at CodeA / Code S schedule or NA/EU ro32 )
First season is going to have exceptions for NA/EU lan part and qualifiers, logistics issues since they are behind schedule and also they had have more qualifiers to do.
Second season probably is all Tuesday-Wednesday-Thursday.
So Monday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday all are 100% free timeslots ( except maybe when proleague/gstl or a premier weekend tournament is running )
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On May 06 2013 07:21 Clawfinger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:17 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TB's casting has gotten a lot better. He used to be my least favourite caster in SC2 (not including the lows like Moletrap, Kelly Milkies, etc). Since then he has improved greatly, and become my favourite "casual" caster in SC2. I don't think Husky is the best partner for him if you want to know what's truly happening in the game, but they are doing the best with what they have going for them.
Husky and TB are both play by play, it doesnt really make sense to for them to cast together. When a fight happends both want to cast it, doesnt really mesh well
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On May 06 2013 07:24 broodmann wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:21 Clawfinger wrote:On May 06 2013 07:17 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TB's casting has gotten a lot better. He used to be my least favourite caster in SC2 (not including the lows like Moletrap, Kelly Milkies, etc). Since then he has improved greatly, and become my favourite "casual" caster in SC2. I don't think Husky is the best partner for him if you want to know what's truly happening in the game, but they are doing the best with what they have going for them. Husky and TB are both play by play, it doesnt really make sense to for them to cast together. When a fight happends both want to cast it, doesnt really mesh well
Well they both work together and TB is running the event. I don't think they are going to hire anyone else.
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On May 06 2013 07:04 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:02 stuchiu wrote:On May 06 2013 06:59 Dodgin wrote:
Wow, great viewer turnout today. I wonder if it's better to broadcast WCS NA during these times. Too bad it would overlap with WCS EU. I think WCS is changing times this week (two hours earlier) should be a bit better for EU viewers.
What times are they changing it to? It sucks for me in the UK because I work until 5:30 (it starts at 5pm GMT) and I don't get home until 7:30 (yeah,... super long commute) and by then I've missed half the games.
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On May 06 2013 07:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:24 broodmann wrote:On May 06 2013 07:21 Clawfinger wrote:On May 06 2013 07:17 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TB's casting has gotten a lot better. He used to be my least favourite caster in SC2 (not including the lows like Moletrap, Kelly Milkies, etc). Since then he has improved greatly, and become my favourite "casual" caster in SC2. I don't think Husky is the best partner for him if you want to know what's truly happening in the game, but they are doing the best with what they have going for them. Husky and TB are both play by play, it doesnt really make sense to for them to cast together. When a fight happends both want to cast it, doesnt really mesh well Well they both work together and TB is running the event. I don't think they are going to hire anyone else.
I believe day9 will do some casting aswell later on
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On May 06 2013 07:26 Mirosuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:04 Laryleprakon wrote:On May 06 2013 07:02 stuchiu wrote:On May 06 2013 06:59 Dodgin wrote:
Wow, great viewer turnout today. I wonder if it's better to broadcast WCS NA during these times. Too bad it would overlap with WCS EU. I think WCS is changing times this week (two hours earlier) should be a bit better for EU viewers. What times are they changing it to? It sucks for me in the UK because I work until 5:30 (it starts at 5pm GMT) and I don't get home until 7:30 (yeah,... super long commute) and by then I've missed half the games.
I think he meant wcs AM not EU
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On May 06 2013 07:26 Mirosuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:04 Laryleprakon wrote:On May 06 2013 07:02 stuchiu wrote:On May 06 2013 06:59 Dodgin wrote:
Wow, great viewer turnout today. I wonder if it's better to broadcast WCS NA during these times. Too bad it would overlap with WCS EU. I think WCS is changing times this week (two hours earlier) should be a bit better for EU viewers. What times are they changing it to? It sucks for me in the UK because I work until 5:30 (it starts at 5pm GMT) and I don't get home until 7:30 (yeah,... super long commute) and by then I've missed half the games.
Ouch! That's rough man, I just got offered a new job and the commute is 35-40 minutes, I was pretty mift about that but 2 hours? That's brutal.
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On May 06 2013 07:28 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:26 Mirosuu wrote:On May 06 2013 07:04 Laryleprakon wrote:On May 06 2013 07:02 stuchiu wrote:On May 06 2013 06:59 Dodgin wrote:
Wow, great viewer turnout today. I wonder if it's better to broadcast WCS NA during these times. Too bad it would overlap with WCS EU. I think WCS is changing times this week (two hours earlier) should be a bit better for EU viewers. What times are they changing it to? It sucks for me in the UK because I work until 5:30 (it starts at 5pm GMT) and I don't get home until 7:30 (yeah,... super long commute) and by then I've missed half the games. I think he meant wcs AM not EU
Ah, one can hope, I suppose.
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With that hair style and that stubble ViBE has a really good Nicholas Cage thing going on.
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On May 06 2013 07:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:24 broodmann wrote:On May 06 2013 07:21 Clawfinger wrote:On May 06 2013 07:17 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TB's casting has gotten a lot better. He used to be my least favourite caster in SC2 (not including the lows like Moletrap, Kelly Milkies, etc). Since then he has improved greatly, and become my favourite "casual" caster in SC2. I don't think Husky is the best partner for him if you want to know what's truly happening in the game, but they are doing the best with what they have going for them. Husky and TB are both play by play, it doesnt really make sense to for them to cast together. When a fight happends both want to cast it, doesnt really mesh well Well they both work together and TB is running the event. I don't think they are going to hire anyone else.
TB has hinted on Reddit that he might be casting with Day9 next week - which sounds like a much better pairing. Both Husky and TB are best when paired with a strong analytical caster like Apollo. Still, really good casting today, and John absolutely deserves an MIP award for his massively advanced analytical understanding of the game since the early WoL days.
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Vibe is the only one who knows how to give a decent interview so far. Hope he advances.
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On May 06 2013 07:33 hitpoint wrote:
Vibe is the only one who knows how to give a decent interview so far. Hope he advances.
That's an interesting metric for advancement; results be damned, the best interviewee wins!
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On May 06 2013 07:34 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:33 hitpoint wrote:
Vibe is the only one who knows how to give a decent interview so far. Hope he advances. That's an interesting metric for advancement; results be damned, the best interviewee wins!
There is a reason for the massive fanbase of people like InControl, Idra or Nony, you know.
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Just out of curiosity, can they avoid stream cheating in some way?
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On May 06 2013 07:38 Nilth wrote:
Just out of curiosity, can they avoid stream cheating in some way?
I'm sure the stream has a delay on it.
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That was a weird drop down.
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On May 06 2013 07:40 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:38 Nilth wrote:
Just out of curiosity, can they avoid stream cheating in some way? I'm sure the stream has a delay on it.
TB mentioned a 5 minute delay at some point.
Edit: In other news, Maker is looking very unimpressive unfortunately.
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On May 06 2013 07:34 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:33 hitpoint wrote:
Vibe is the only one who knows how to give a decent interview so far. Hope he advances. That's an interesting metric for advancement; results be damned, the best interviewee wins!
He's my favorite player, also.
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On May 06 2013 07:43 stuchiu wrote:
That was a weird drop down.
Savior approves.
But, seriously, probably time to GG.
I think that's the worst part of watching foreign tournaments. Not that every Korean GGs immediately, but you get a lot of fantasy GGs.
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On May 06 2013 07:44 Jnai wrote:Savior approves. But, seriously, probably time to GG. I think that's the worst part of watching foreign tournaments. Not that every Korean GGs immediately, but you get a lot of fantasy GGs.
Fantasy GGs make for interesting endings sometimes.
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Lowering the depots was suicide, he had no chance after that. Maker choking hard here, pretty sure his nerves are destroying him.
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Very surprised that Puck was able to beat Minigun. Puck doesn't seem to win very often against Minigun on ladder, and in general Puck's control and decision making doesn't seem to be on quite the same level, but today Minigun seems to be a bit off in his mid to late game decisions, throwing away his advantages left and right.
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That's in the OL scout path...
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Reapers are such a cool unit in HOTS
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Maker with a pretty smart build, hopefully this win helped Maker get over some of his nerves
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On May 06 2013 07:43 DeathSquire36 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:40 Laryleprakon wrote:On May 06 2013 07:38 Nilth wrote:
Just out of curiosity, can they avoid stream cheating in some way? I'm sure the stream has a delay on it. TB mentioned a 5 minute delay at some point. Edit: In other news, Maker is looking very unimpressive unfortunately.
Maker has never been that impressive. He mostly talks a lot of trash to Idra, then loses and then talks more trash next game.
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On May 06 2013 08:01 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:43 DeathSquire36 wrote:On May 06 2013 07:40 Laryleprakon wrote:On May 06 2013 07:38 Nilth wrote:
Just out of curiosity, can they avoid stream cheating in some way? I'm sure the stream has a delay on it. TB mentioned a 5 minute delay at some point. Edit: In other news, Maker is looking very unimpressive unfortunately. Maker has never been that impressive. He mostly talks a lot of trash to Idra, then loses and then talks more trash next game.
So he is Idra:ing Idra then?
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Them Widow Mines won him that battle from a losing position
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Terrible, terrible overstimming
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Cinco de Mayo! Mexico does it again!
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Damn, not the result I was expecting.
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On May 06 2013 08:20 BathTubNZ wrote:
Damn, not the result I was expecting.
Yeah, Vibe finishing last in his group was definitely unexpected. He was probably even one of the favorites of this tournament
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Poor vibe, he tried so hard to get qualified, he got so far, but in the end it doesnt even matter.
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That last game was good. also, Husky has a really positive outlook on things
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Hmm... So BioMine actually works against Zerg if not played against Koreans. TIL.
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yeah, feel bad for vibe too... going to tip him tho
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Wow, is Maker going to do it? Are we in for a Cinco de Mayo miracle?
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That DT drop seems so ridiculously risky. Can't see that build ever being worth it in the long run.
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Glad the 16 min 2 base "timing" didn't won.
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Minigun needs to spend his money; if his bank was 10 extra zealots it wouldn't have been nearly so close.
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anyway to see the tipjar totals?
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On May 06 2013 09:03 rothsbury wrote:
Minigun needs to spend his money; if his bank was 10 extra zealots it wouldn't have been nearly so close.
Well he was taking a 4th and had to cancel it.
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Highest level of NA Starcraft! Games decided by supply blocks!
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Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked"
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On May 06 2013 09:15 Scila wrote:
Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked"
He's critical but fair.
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On May 06 2013 09:15 Scila wrote:
Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked"
How's he meant to react?
Wipe his ass and say you played very well sir making mistakes people do at Gold level in a top 16 GM tournament?
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I hope these sort of tournaments do help the NA scene catch up, some of these game's were interesting.
Fun commentary today ^_^
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Maker lost every game he tried to be fancy in.
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On May 06 2013 09:17 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:15 Scila wrote:
Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked" How's he meant to react? Wipe his ass and say you played very well sir making mistakes people do at Gold level in a top 16 GM tournament?
Are we pretending that Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked once in a while? Hyperbole is fun but gold level mistakes.. come on.
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On May 06 2013 09:19 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:17 Mackus wrote:On May 06 2013 09:15 Scila wrote:
Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked" How's he meant to react? Wipe his ass and say you played very well sir making mistakes people do at Gold level in a top 16 GM tournament? Are we pretending that Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked once in a while? Hyperbole is fun but gold level mistakes.. come on.
I assure you Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked 8 minutes into a game when the game was absolutely stale.. If it were 38 minutes in I can understand because people get tunnel vision but absolutely no excuse for that.
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I have to say TotalBiscuit you have Patrician-tier music taste, good stuff.
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On May 06 2013 09:19 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:17 Mackus wrote:On May 06 2013 09:15 Scila wrote:
Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked" How's he meant to react? Wipe his ass and say you played very well sir making mistakes people do at Gold level in a top 16 GM tournament? Are we pretending that Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked once in a while? Hyperbole is fun but gold level mistakes.. come on.
Husky was critical, but I think it was fair criticism. Code S players get supply blocked when they are dropping, dealing with a zealot runby at the natural, and dancing with the opponent's army for position. Maker got supply blocked with nothing going on on the map. That really shouldn't happen at that level.
Edit: Ah Mackus, you just barely beat me!
For the failed suicide for the colossus, I can see why maker did that. If he didn't do some pretty significant damage, he was going to be in a lot of trouble. And that colossi was preventing any damage. He was in a horrible position before he fail-suicided for the colossus.
Edit: Yorke: Yeah, I very much enjoyed the downtime music. Ended up loading some of the songs in youtube to listen to them later. I'm very glad TB put the song that was playing on top.
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Well have to say I overall enjoyed this experiment but there were some criticisms
Production: But will be fixed
Too Long: I just couldn't keep interest for 6 hours, so needed to take 2 off, not sure why it had to be so long but hard to keep my attention this long with this level of play.
Personalities were a bit disappointing, don't exactly want them to be fake... but being funny would be okay. Lack of hype was apparent at times this felt like a DoTA2 board with its slowness and man the chat was always so good manner and boring. Talk more about your tea and crumpet recipe please.
My likes were definitely the close level of games: MLG only shows one sided games for the most part. TB & Husky are enjoyable. It was amazing to see 30k+ watch NA players, this definitely is a slap to the face for those who thought only Korean or maybe Euro games would be watched. NA made a strong step forward today. Also the chat was actually amazing and much better than usual spam but sometimes I just missed the rush of text when a pimp play happens.
Selfishly I gotta say I called it at 4th page and both of my favorites won:
Grats Chad "MF" Jones and Puck :D
I shall return.
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On May 06 2013 05:56 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:54 FrogOfWar wrote:On May 06 2013 05:51 Cokefreak wrote:
Is TB observing? Apparently, he said so on Twitter. That explains a lot. Why not have a dedicated observer...?
How? Dedicated observing for online tournaments is impossible. You need someone physically there at the streaming location.
I understand people are not that happy with the observing, I get it, but it's impossible to resolve that problem. There's only so much you can do when you have to focus on casting, observing and doing production all at once.
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On May 06 2013 09:23 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:19 hitpoint wrote:On May 06 2013 09:17 Mackus wrote:On May 06 2013 09:15 Scila wrote:
Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked" How's he meant to react? Wipe his ass and say you played very well sir making mistakes people do at Gold level in a top 16 GM tournament? Are we pretending that Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked once in a while? Hyperbole is fun but gold level mistakes.. come on. I assure you Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked 8 minutes into a game when the game was absolutely stale.. If it were 38 minutes in I can understand because people get tunnel vision but absolutely no excuse for that.
someone is confident that no one cares enough to search through vods. I saw it happen a few times with nothing going on. But everytime the player was under quiet some mental pressure from the games before.
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On May 06 2013 09:23 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:19 hitpoint wrote:On May 06 2013 09:17 Mackus wrote:On May 06 2013 09:15 Scila wrote:
Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked" How's he meant to react? Wipe his ass and say you played very well sir making mistakes people do at Gold level in a top 16 GM tournament? Are we pretending that Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked once in a while? Hyperbole is fun but gold level mistakes.. come on. I assure you Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked 8 minutes into a game when the game was absolutely stale.. If it were 38 minutes in I can understand because people get tunnel vision but absolutely no excuse for that.
I have no proof, or motivation to find any. But I'm fairly sure it happens on occasion.
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The Obs job didn't really bother me at all, so I can't really comment on that. I thought it was all in all pretty well done, and sans future stream issues, I look forward to the coming groups.
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So what if Husky was critical? Who watches these games for high quality Starcraft anyway? I think it'd be funnier if it was like Tastosis casting Code A in 2011 where they just made fun of the players.
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On May 06 2013 09:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:56 Cokefreak wrote:On May 06 2013 05:54 FrogOfWar wrote:On May 06 2013 05:51 Cokefreak wrote:
Is TB observing? Apparently, he said so on Twitter. That explains a lot. Why not have a dedicated observer...? How? Dedicated observing for online tournaments is impossible. You need someone physically there at the streaming location. I understand people are not that happy with the observing, I get it, but it's impossible to resolve that problem. There's only so much you can do when you have to focus on casting, observing and doing production all at once.
You did great for how much you are doing! It is expected for somethings to be less than perfect when doing everything at once (well for those of us who think  )
Also, i'll keep making these if you would like...and if you want anything added/taken out, let me know.
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Very happy for the NA sc2 scene. Its actually hillarious that it takes TB to show blizzard and MLG how successful regional starcraft can be
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On May 06 2013 10:04 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 06 2013 05:56 Cokefreak wrote:On May 06 2013 05:54 FrogOfWar wrote:On May 06 2013 05:51 Cokefreak wrote:
Is TB observing? Apparently, he said so on Twitter. That explains a lot. Why not have a dedicated observer...? How? Dedicated observing for online tournaments is impossible. You need someone physically there at the streaming location. I understand people are not that happy with the observing, I get it, but it's impossible to resolve that problem. There's only so much you can do when you have to focus on casting, observing and doing production all at once. You did great for how much you are doing! It is expected for somethings to be less than perfect when doing everything at once (well for those of us who think ) Also, i'll keep making these if you would like...and if you want anything added/taken out, let me know.
Small thing, pedroca 's stream in the OP should have a Brazil flag instead of France.
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Root Protoss users, well done!
edit: ROOOOOOOOOT, rather
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The vods will be posted only after all the tournament ends?
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On May 06 2013 11:01 Spectreman wrote:
The vods will be posted only after all the tournament ends?
Vods are already up in uncut form on the twitch channel.
Cut series vods will be up tomorrow we hope
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On May 06 2013 10:35 Vequeth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:04 Prplppleatr wrote:On May 06 2013 09:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 06 2013 05:56 Cokefreak wrote:On May 06 2013 05:54 FrogOfWar wrote:On May 06 2013 05:51 Cokefreak wrote:
Is TB observing? Apparently, he said so on Twitter. That explains a lot. Why not have a dedicated observer...? How? Dedicated observing for online tournaments is impossible. You need someone physically there at the streaming location. I understand people are not that happy with the observing, I get it, but it's impossible to resolve that problem. There's only so much you can do when you have to focus on casting, observing and doing production all at once. You did great for how much you are doing! It is expected for somethings to be less than perfect when doing everything at once (well for those of us who think ) Also, i'll keep making these if you would like...and if you want anything added/taken out, let me know. Small thing, pedroca 's stream in the OP should have a Brazil flag instead of France.
ah, k
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Sad to have missed this today. Had to move to a new dorm for the summer Sounds like the view count was pretty solid though. Hopefully I'll be able to check out the other groups.
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The good: Some fun games, fast handling of technical difficulties, enjoyed the TB/Husky cast, and it was fun watching some players I hadn't seen much from. I liked the selection format for the tournament, which seemed pretty fair to everyone who might want to compete. And, I liked the use of Gameheart.
The mediocre: The observing was rough at times, especially compared to a very professional cast like the GSL. I understand there are technical limitations that prevent this from being improved upon, so I don't feel it's quite fair to harp on it.
The bad: I think the main problem was really with some of the players being somewhat new to the tournament scene. My biggest problem - and I understand, it is hard to fault them on it, but it was very frustrating - there was probably 1+ hrs of broadcast time taken by players pushing unwinnable scenarios rather than simply GGing. This is unfortunate because it causes casters to be put in the awkward position of either proclaiming games "over" (and then having to wait for 10 minutes for them to be really over) or acting as if everything is good and well with 75+ supply differences. Again, I don't really know what can be done about this, but it was a noticeable frustration as a viewer. I don't want to see a rash of too-fast GGs, but tapping out when defeated is a good thing for everyone.
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On May 06 2013 11:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 11:01 Spectreman wrote:
The vods will be posted only after all the tournament ends? Vods are already up in uncut form on the twitch channel. Cut series vods will be up tomorrow we hope
Thks. I am pretty lame using Twitch and and I didn´t see the button video next to chat.
May i make a suggestion? Put the schedule days and times on the top of shoutcraft site.
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On May 06 2013 09:23 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:19 hitpoint wrote:On May 06 2013 09:17 Mackus wrote:On May 06 2013 09:15 Scila wrote:
Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked" How's he meant to react? Wipe his ass and say you played very well sir making mistakes people do at Gold level in a top 16 GM tournament? Are we pretending that Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked once in a while? Hyperbole is fun but gold level mistakes.. come on. I assure you Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked 8 minutes into a game when the game was absolutely stale.. If it were 38 minutes in I can understand because people get tunnel vision but absolutely no excuse for that.
I assure you they do, obviously less than the average foreigner, but shit happens, everyone makes mistakes, even "gasp" koreans
Totalbiscuit your obsing was fine, I watched the games inbetween my series. Quite good since you are casting/obsing at the same time. People will complain to complain.
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On May 06 2013 11:54 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Totalbiscuit your obsing was fine, I watched the games inbetween my series. Quite good since you are casting/obsing at the same time. People will complain to complain.
Meh I can do a lot better than that. I think if I practice more this week on some complex replays and don't have the stress of dealing with multiple technical issues in Group B then it should improve.
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Where did the viewer numbers peak? I slept through it all despite being in NA...
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On May 06 2013 12:54 Hall0wed wrote:
Where did the viewer numbers peak? I slept through it all despite being in NA...
We believe it was around 40k if you add the English and foreign language streams together.
We're happy with that number but we'd like to see it go to 50k. I think as we get into the RO8 onwards, it will, plus the tech problems in the first hour caused many people to give up.
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I appreciate your and Genna's work, thanks
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really glad to see minigun advance despite his near-miss vs apocalypse in WCS.
chad motherfucking JOOOOOOOOOONES
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On May 06 2013 17:40 LeeDawg wrote:
really glad to see minigun advance despite his near-miss vs apocalypse in WCS.
chad motherfucking JOOOOOOOOOONES
You realise I hope that a collision is a near miss
This was a nice start to the tournament I think, unfortunate with the technical problems in the beginning but it got solved and the rest of the tournament ran fine (for me at least).
Only thing that's a bit sad is the broadcast times, staying up until 2-3AM (CEST) on a Sunday-to-Monday night isn't really feasible if you have school/work. Don't know if there's anything that can be done about it though without screwing over the west coast americans.
Overall I would say it was a successfull start to the tournament with some hiccups
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Gj TB, I love your SHOUTcraft so much!
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I got to watch the whole stream sunday, can't believe my 3g internets in the boonies worked that well. 320p baby.
Was great to watch and I was surprised when I looked at the clock and it was after 4pm est at one point.
I will be watching the others, the technical issues will get ironed out as they go along and I think after this complete tourney TB will have a great platform to do it again. Make Husky give you the $50 in something other than taco bell.
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On May 06 2013 11:54 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:23 Mackus wrote:On May 06 2013 09:19 hitpoint wrote:On May 06 2013 09:17 Mackus wrote:On May 06 2013 09:15 Scila wrote:
Lol Husky so critical "planitum level play" "you cant get supply blocked" How's he meant to react? Wipe his ass and say you played very well sir making mistakes people do at Gold level in a top 16 GM tournament? Are we pretending that Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked once in a while? Hyperbole is fun but gold level mistakes.. come on. I assure you Code S Koreans don't get supply blocked 8 minutes into a game when the game was absolutely stale.. If it were 38 minutes in I can understand because people get tunnel vision but absolutely no excuse for that. I assure you they do, obviously less than the average foreigner, but shit happens, everyone makes mistakes, even "gasp" koreans Totalbiscuit your obsing was fine, I watched the games inbetween my series. Quite good since you are casting/obsing at the same time. People will complain to complain.
I would agree that even Code-S level players do make mistakes, but thats because you cannot say that even the best player in the world would not make a mistake ever. Usually a Code-S player would not get a supplyblock early on, when not being pressured, thats what he was talking about.
Other than that, I think pointing out how big of a mistake it is, regardless of level, is justified. If MVP gets supply blocked @ WCS 6 minutes into the game, hell I will point that out as a caster, because its rare and its a mistake. Its not bashing
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Getting supply blocked is pretty ridiculous. I would chalk that up to nerves, but I watch his stream a lot and he routinely gets supply blocked; I figured it was due to talking while playing. No idea what to think now. It's a lot easier to get supply blocked in this game than in BW (unless you play Terran). In BW, at least, it really was inexcusable and I doubt any good pros were getting supply blocked. I was watching Grubby the other day and he was at something like 90psi out of 180. He had never even gone above 90 supply. If you're getting supply blocked, at least it shows you weren't taking the bronze league approach to macro'ing. Given the alternative that I've seen... I think it's a step up to see foreign pros getting supply blocked.
People should be harping on players for having a way higher cap than current supply. I mean, that's just intentionally being bad.
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On May 07 2013 19:50 playa wrote:
Getting supply blocked is pretty ridiculous. I would chalk that up to nerves, but I watch his stream a lot and he routinely gets supply blocked; I figured it was due to talking while playing. No idea what to think now. It's a lot easier to get supply blocked in this game than in BW (unless you play Terran). In BW, at least, it really was inexcusable and I doubt any good pros were getting supply blocked. I was watching Grubby the other day and he was at something like 90psi out of 180. He had never even gone above 90 supply. If you're getting supply blocked, at least it shows you weren't taking the bronze league approach to macro'ing. Given the alternative that I've seen... I think it's a step up to see foreign pros getting supply blocked.
People should be harping on players for having a way higher cap than current supply. I mean, that's just intentionally being bad.
Too much supply free (when never in that area / not needed) is as bad as getting supply blocked. But one has to realize that its never a good thing to be supply blocked. Even if you take the approach that he is at least making a lot of stuff, he prevents himself from making more stuff.
Same with building too much overlords/pylons/depots. You prevent yourself from spending the minerals on something actually useful. When being Protoss, I can understand that you build warpin pylons over the map that doesn't or shouldn't neccessary be supply pylons, but thats about it.
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Could anyone please make a topic for Group B that is running now? I would, but i wouldn't be able to update it :-/
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*edit* shit, wrong topic, my bad
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Is there no Group B LR thread?
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On May 12 2013 03:18 [17]Purple wrote:
Is there no Group B LR thread?
NA probably busy watching Idra's stream...
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Are others having pretty lag/skip problems with the Group B stream, or is me?
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On May 12 2013 03:32 InvictusRage wrote:
Are others having pretty lag/skip problems with the Group B stream, or is me?
mine works fine at 720 but seeing the chat other people are experiencing spluttering too try refreshing the stream
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On May 12 2013 03:25 grs wrote:NA probably busy watching Idra's stream...
This one was done pretty spontaneously, so I guess nobody is assigned to do it.
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