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Karont3 fighting!
I'd take everything from a close 5-4 to an easy 5-2 or even better. 
Hope LucifroN and VortiX get some good sleep and will be ready to crush face tomorrow.
Gogogo!
By the way, a LucifroN all-kill would be nice, I bet Sage and MaNa are feeling quite lonely at the top of the rankings!
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Wait, didn't LucifroN all-kill already against Quantic? He didn't finish off HyuN as an ace but he did kill everyone, didn't he?
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hmm.. this match will be interesting. K3 has done quite well so far but Axiom is one of the strongest teams in the league. Looking forward to watching it!
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On April 13 2013 07:13 SinCitta wrote:
Wait, didn't LucifroN all-kill already against Quantic? He didn't finish off HyuN as an ace but he did kill everyone, didn't he?
No he lost to hyun in the last match. He did beat everyone but to get an all kill you need to win all maps
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looking forward to seeing lucifron smash faces
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looking forward to see Korean smash faces.
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Gogo spanish guys ! Europe fighting !
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Karont3 fighting! I hope we can see Socke in action!
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go Karonte! Lucifron and VortiX ftw
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Lucifron is going to stomp Axiom!!!!!!!! If not Socke or VortiX will do it
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It will be a hard match 
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Three more hours! Can you guys put this event onto the sidebar so everybody can see?
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We are only waiting for the accept
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United States97276 Posts
I'd like to see some good games out of Ryung
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This should be a great match. Can´t wait =)
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Canada16217 Posts
no english caster? 
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Someone go harass RotterdaM and FrodaN!
Okay don't, he is busy tomorrow.
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dammit, I want an English stream.
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Solid first game. Gogo Ryung!
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Yeah, sorry about that guys, the scheduling is a bit odd for TB so he's not awake to cast. ;(
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On April 13 2013 21:37 Killmouse wrote:
is this played in eu??
NA
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Woah Lucifron is a beast in TvT. Good macro, great decision making and hellbats!
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Damn, Lucifron owning it up!
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Damn, Luci is good!
That was seriously impressive.
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TB forgot to tell his team that Lucifron LOVES hellbats!
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Luci utilising drop play much better, Ryung switching too late into hellbats. Deserved win for Luci!
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Koreans not used to this style?
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On April 13 2013 21:39 Andorson wrote:
Woah Lucifron is a beast in TvT. Good macro, great decision making and hellbats!
it was his worst matchup in wol^^
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Oh, noees, no english cast ..
Wake up! TB!
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Nobody knows any English caster that can come on a short notice..? ._.
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Rotti is streaming,maybe he could cast.
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On April 13 2013 21:24 Intricacy wrote:
Yeah, sorry about that guys, the scheduling is a bit odd for TB so he's not awake to cast. ;(
Maybe if he didnt stay up all night watching GSTL
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On April 13 2013 21:44 DifuntO wrote:
Rotti is streaming,maybe he could cast.
He said he is going to bed soon because they have work today. Had ATC reached out and asked him to cast, he said it was likely he could have scheduled around it.
Hopefully the next match they can line up a caster in advance. Thanks for putting this on, taketv!
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The proxy widow mine factory in Alicias nat has me laughing out loud.
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Shit, Alicia's greediness barely pays off.
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It never ceases to amaze me how good Alicia is at abusing using protoss to the utmost potential.
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The upgrade difference won Alicia the game. That hold was crucial!
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2-2 zealot archon too stronk.I thought Luci would win but that warp prism was a smart idea.
Good game.
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wow, Alicia being really greedy here. It looked like any aggression before 2-2 finsished for him could have potentially crippled him. Interesting style though
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the factory block was neat. But the upgrade domination was really nice to watch. Few Protoss units fighting an army.
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On April 13 2013 21:56 DifuntO wrote:
2-2 zealot archon too stronk.I thought Luci would win but that warp prism was a smart idea.
Good game.
Yeah he would be hard pressed to break through the front regardless of his upgrade advantage, the warp prism was a really good call. Especially for newkirk with all of the open space in the main.
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hmm i think if he had some units in the bunker at the natural + counter repair it would have been easier to hold.
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Wow what a close match. Really well played by Vortix.
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Ahahaha, VortiX pulls through in the end, never would have thought he could win this still.
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Yess, Karont3! VortiX saw the weakness and reacted perfectly.
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What? How did VortiX win vs Heart? I was gone for like 2 seconds I swear
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Vortix disproves people that called him a patch zerg.
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On April 13 2013 22:32 Sandermatt wrote:
Vortix disproves people that called him a patch zerg.
Anyone who thought Vortix was a patchzerg was myopic and should have just been ignored.
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On April 13 2013 22:32 yoigen wrote:
What? How did VortiX win vs Heart? I was gone for like 2 seconds I swear
Defended the first few reapers (not many though) without losing any unit, scouted 3rd CC, while in construction, punished it with Roch-bling attack, before Heart had Mines/more than one tank.
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On April 13 2013 22:33 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 22:32 Sandermatt wrote:
Vortix disproves people that called him a patch zerg. Anyone who thought Vortix was a patchzerg was myopic and should have just been ignored.
Yep, he has always been doing well on the EU ladder, long before the queen patch came out.
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Haha 4 Queens last do last long against 10 Voidrays :D
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Turtle-skytoss is kinda boring to watch, not as bad as Creator's game yesterday, but still.
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So many Voidrays. It's just like that song.
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Is Socke just playing for Karont3 or he joins Karont3?
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On April 13 2013 23:12 digmouse wrote:
Is Socke just playing for Karont3 or he joins Karont3?
Just playing for them.
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On April 13 2013 23:12 digmouse wrote:
Is Socke just playing for Karont3 or he joins Karont3?
He just plays for them in this Teamleague
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On April 13 2013 23:12 digmouse wrote:
Is Socke just playing for Karont3 or he joins Karont3?
Each Team is allowed to add one "Joker" player from another team for the season.
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On April 13 2013 23:08 StarVe wrote:Looks like Axiom signed  FXOVoidRay.
i see what you did there
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Hmm, Socke was very well prepared for the attack but he had no chance.
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On April 13 2013 23:16 SinCitta wrote:
Hmm, Socke was very well prepared for the attack but he had no chance.
Depends, he had two archons and apart from that mostly zealots versus 5+ void rays, I think he could have been in a better position to defend, especially since he knew CranK's army composition exactly, I don't think he should have gotten stomped so hard in the fight.
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Vortix is so far behind now...
I don't know what he can do
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Aw, shame VortiX went for the all-in, I mean, it would have been good if it worked but now it's just anticlimactic.
Crank decides that a game without more than five void rays isn't a real game.
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Well then, it seems Voids are really good in Hots
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On April 13 2013 23:29 Jotoco wrote:
Vortix is so far behind now...
I don't know what he can do
Well, a fungal on ALL Voids and a crazy surround seems like a good start.
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looked like some infestors could have done wonders for vortix, now he is just too far behind
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On April 13 2013 23:36 Jotoco wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:29 Jotoco wrote:
Vortix is so far behind now...
I don't know what he can do Well, a fungal on ALL Voids and a crazy surround seems like a good start.
But still not enough
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On April 13 2013 23:37 Jotoco wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:36 Jotoco wrote:On April 13 2013 23:29 Jotoco wrote:
Vortix is so far behind now...
I don't know what he can do Well, a fungal on ALL Voids and a crazy surround seems like a good start. But still not enough
it was too late, if he had some infestors with his attack on Crank's fourth it might have very well changed the game. Vortix was behind from his initial roach attack. Crank earned his win
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Oh god Crank, that game was so awful by him. If he hadn't been carried by the incredible early game lead all game long, this would have ended quite differently. He tried to throw the game at so many points in time.
I thought the game against MaNa last time where he lost after giving away an almost unloseable lead had taught him a lesson but apparently not
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If he just double expanded while adding a handful more infestors, I think he should be better.
Crank would have added a lot of ground units that were not very good (few upgrades) and wasted a lot of supply on a 200/200 fight later on.
But good games. GG.
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Sorry I could not cast this, but I did make TakeTV aware of that a week in advance. I cannot cast matches that are starting at 8am EST, that's just not reasonable, I work later into the night because it's quieter then. I hope next weeks matches will be at later times.
Also the team apologizes for scrappy play but apparently they had awful lag.
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It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.
I think you do get better games when the players are not tired.
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On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.
I think you do get better games when the players are not tired.
Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board.
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On April 14 2013 01:27 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.
I think you do get better games when the players are not tired. Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board.
I don't think they have to. They already coordinate a teamleague played online and broadcasted live with teams from around the globe. That's enough coordination already.
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On April 14 2013 01:58 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:27 Musicus wrote:On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.
I think you do get better games when the players are not tired. Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board. I don't think they have to. They already coordinate a teamleague played online and broadcasted live with teams from around the globe. That's enough coordination already.
Haha, no of course they don't have to, they are doing a great job already and I am not ordering them around. But it's what they have to do, if they want more viewers consistently and better sponsor exposure. I think Acer and Intel would not mind 10k people more watching. And to some extent, it's TakeTv's job to give their sponsor as much exposure as possible. So it's more about what they should do I guess.
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On April 14 2013 02:15 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:58 grs wrote:On April 14 2013 01:27 Musicus wrote:On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.
I think you do get better games when the players are not tired. Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board. I don't think they have to. They already coordinate a teamleague played online and broadcasted live with teams from around the globe. That's enough coordination already. Haha, no of course they don't have to, they are doing a great job already and I am not ordering them around. But it's what they have to do, if they want more viewers consistently and better sponsor exposure. I think Acer and Intel would not mind 10k people more watching. And to some extent, it's TakeTv's job to give their sponsor as much exposure as possible. So it's more about what they should do I guess.
Yes, that is perfectly true. I just think it is already a great feat. As far as I know, this is the first team league that is able to broadcast online games live and that's really awesome. There is always room for improvement though
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On April 14 2013 01:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Sorry I could not cast this, but I did make TakeTV aware of that a week in advance. I cannot cast matches that are starting at 8am EST, that's just not reasonable, I work later into the night because it's quieter then. I hope next weeks matches will be at later times.
Also the team apologizes for scrappy play but apparently they had awful lag.
I certainly hope no one here blames YOU for not being able to cast this!
I find it unfortunate that there was no alternate (in part because I've let Dennis know I could help out in cases just like today). Also Nathanias would wake up at just about any time for the chance to cast too.
On April 14 2013 02:59 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:15 Musicus wrote:On April 14 2013 01:58 grs wrote:On April 14 2013 01:27 Musicus wrote:On April 14 2013 01:06 StarVe wrote:
It's always matches with Korean teams that start so early, so I assumed they were scheduling it this way to accomodate Koreans so they can start the match at 9PM KST instead of 11PM or midnight.
I think you do get better games when the players are not tired. Yes I agree, I'd rather have the qualitiy of a cast suffer than the quality of the games, due to tiredness. But I also don't think TB should have to stay up at 8am after working all night. So I Think Take.TV just has to get more EU casters on board. I don't think they have to. They already coordinate a teamleague played online and broadcasted live with teams from around the globe. That's enough coordination already. Haha, no of course they don't have to, they are doing a great job already and I am not ordering them around. But it's what they have to do, if they want more viewers consistently and better sponsor exposure. I think Acer and Intel would not mind 10k people more watching. And to some extent, it's TakeTv's job to give their sponsor as much exposure as possible. So it's more about what they should do I guess. Yes, that is perfectly true. I just think it is already a great feat. As far as I know, this is the first team league that is able to broadcast online games live and that's really awesome. There is always room for improvement though
Yeah, I've been very impressed with how well this league has been going so far (at least from a spectator).
Unless you're getting someone like TB to cast you're not going to be adding 10k viewers :D
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As y0su mentioned it's about balance. I can get a big audience and you also need to consider the audience you can get naturally by having it at a more US friendly time. It is of course extremely difficult to find a time that is comfortable for everyone, but I know our guys are more than willing to play late at night, their sleeping schedules are setup for that anyway. We need sponsor ROI to make the league successful and so far at least when I've been casting that has been happening. The numbers are REALLY strong. Last Saturday I pulled 15k concurrents on the English stream alone, that's really big for an online team league, that's stronger than IPTLs regular week to week tournament was, significantly stronger. I can't really think of any online league that can pull that off and we're pulling it regularly. Combining the other streams you have a HUGE amount of concurrents.
So the balance is difficult but essential. If you want more views you've gotta make sure it's at a good time.
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After the clanwar I sent a PM to an organizer with the suggestion to setup a wiki/shared Google Docs page to coordinate the broadcast better. Who is planned to be the caster for a language, who is possibly there as a replacement? Is the caster really there (check-in)? Who makes a Reddit thread, who makes LR? It's better to have that in a central place than all over Skype conversations (not sure if this is the case currently, but it appeared to be so when Rotti was jumping in halfway through a clanwar).
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I really feel this is all overthinking it. There is already more than enough coordination involved in the production. Either the casters join in or they don't. More coordination leads to more chaos in this case: people coming late, dropping, etc. The event is awesome, there is no need for me to go with a "we need every viewer in any case to promote esports". Sure there is sponsors and financial interest involved, but if you compare Take's events to others, the more laid back while still professional approach seems to be more successful than the sometimes overthought ones from bigger organizations.
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On April 14 2013 03:42 grs wrote:
I really feel this is all overthinking it. There is already more than enough coordination involved in the production. Either the casters join in or they don't. More coordination leads to more chaos in this case: people coming late, dropping, etc. The event is awesome, there is no need for me to go with a "we need every viewer in any case to promote esports". Sure there is sponsors and financial interest involved, but if you compare Take's events to others, the more laid back while still professional approach seems to be more successful than the sometimes overthought ones from bigger organizations.
I disagree a bit, obviously it's fine for us because we speak German and TaKeTV already stream every match since it's their own cup, but I can absolutely understand viewers from other countries who really want an English stream for every single match because that's just the way SC2 works right now.
Having a replacement caster when the designated ones can't make it doesn't make the tournament less laid-back, it just makes it more convenient for everyone.
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Not really surprised by the score; good job Axiom!
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