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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
January 12 2013 20:53 GMT
#861
I didn't watch, but it sounds vaguely reminiscent of IdrA "6 polling" aLive. MMA's decline has been pretty tragic. Months ago he'd play incredible Zerg players (maybe even Stephano, I don't remember specific matches) and it'd seem like he was toying with them. He'd be dropping in one place, nuking in another, running 2 hellions into a drone line elsewhere, and then fighting the main army and doing damage in every spot at once. And now we're at this, pretty disappointing.
Slackzftw
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany361 Posts
January 12 2013 20:54 GMT
#862
On January 13 2013 05:52 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:50 Slackzftw wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:49 Zane wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:47 opterown wrote:
gonna be MKP, MC and six zergs in RO8 lol

It could be worse.


No. This tourney had the best possible lineup. Every major player was invited but who wins... Zerg as always... we need HotS right now! WoL is just not balanced since like 4 month.

What makes you think that HotS will be any better?
Both games are design and balanced by Blizzard so all you are doing is buying time until the next screw-up.


Blizzard does not balance WoL anymore, they focus 100% on HotS - it has to be balanced.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
January 12 2013 20:54 GMT
#863
On January 13 2013 05:53 wklbishop wrote:
I know terrans feel hopeless... hell, even the ups and downs were depressing with a 6-11 record for terran. At least try, doing that is like decreasing your match-up chances from 40% to nothing.... then again he did take one game so bleh.


I (and probably him, since he decided to do it) think it actually ups his chances. He just mis-microed & didn't know Stephano's reaction to 11/11, he could have made it way closer
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
January 12 2013 20:54 GMT
#864
On January 13 2013 05:50 Vete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:48 revel8 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 Mouzone wrote:
Things have changed a lot since MMA made Stephano look like a noob in that one series.


Ahh yes, back when MMA's TvZ was invincible. He played with Stephano like a toy in IPL4.


That was a convincing series win for MMA in IPL4. Stephano has won all three of their other meetings though. MMA looks like he lacks confidence that he can beat Stephano.



I think more, it is like the other terran he has problems in the TvZ Matchup and incentive issue.


MMA gave an interview at HSC last month. He said that when he was winning tournaments (such as Iron Squid), he used to specifically research opponents and prepare builds for them. He used to take notes and stuff. He says he no longer does that anymore. He did not explain why. It just seems he got lazy. MMA's decline is more than TvZ issues.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
January 12 2013 20:54 GMT
#865
looks like in the french stream that they were all cheering against stephano
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 12 2013 20:55 GMT
#866
On January 13 2013 05:53 Swords wrote:
I didn't watch, but it sounds vaguely reminiscent of IdrA "6 polling" aLive. MMA's decline has been pretty tragic. Months ago he'd play incredible Zerg players (maybe even Stephano, I don't remember specific matches) and it'd seem like he was toying with them. He'd be dropping in one place, nuking in another, running 2 hellions into a drone line elsewhere, and then fighting the main army and doing damage in every spot at once. And now we're at this, pretty disappointing.


It's nothing like how Idra 6 pooled aLive. MMA had already taken a game by 11/11, and he thought that it was his best chance to win.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
patronage
Profile Joined October 2011
Iraq123 Posts
January 12 2013 20:55 GMT
#867
Does anyone see a pattern for the recent tournaments.....something about >50% zergs in the ro16 and r08

I am not complaining about balance, I am just really tired of ZvZ, just like how back in 2010 and 2011 people were really tired of TvT.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 12 2013 20:55 GMT
#868
On January 13 2013 05:54 Makro wrote:
looks like in the french stream that they were all cheering against stephano

It was clearly disgusting during the cast.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
January 12 2013 20:55 GMT
#869
On January 13 2013 05:54 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:50 Vete wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:48 revel8 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 Mouzone wrote:
Things have changed a lot since MMA made Stephano look like a noob in that one series.


Ahh yes, back when MMA's TvZ was invincible. He played with Stephano like a toy in IPL4.


That was a convincing series win for MMA in IPL4. Stephano has won all three of their other meetings though. MMA looks like he lacks confidence that he can beat Stephano.



I think more, it is like the other terran he has problems in the TvZ Matchup and incentive issue.


MMA gave an interview at HSC last month. He said that when he was winning tournaments (such as Iron Squid), he used to specifically research opponents and prepare builds for them. He used to take notes and stuff. He says he no longer does that anymore. He did not explain why. It just seems he got lazy. MMA's decline is more than TvZ issues.


The reports about why SlayerS fell apart seem to indicate this too.
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
January 12 2013 20:55 GMT
#870
--- Nuked ---
Instigata
Profile Joined April 2004
United States546 Posts
January 12 2013 20:56 GMT
#871
On January 13 2013 05:50 Hiea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:48 revel8 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 Mouzone wrote:
Things have changed a lot since MMA made Stephano look like a noob in that one series.


Ahh yes, back when MMA's TvZ was invincible. He played with Stephano like a toy in IPL4.


That was a convincing series win for MMA in IPL4. Stephano has won all three of their other meetings though. MMA looks like he lacks confidence that he can beat Stephano.

More so zerg than Stephano, and Stephano was an excellent player before the patch, making him even more scary.


Both DRG and Stephano said the patches didn't help them, only the less skilled players. DRG and Stephano were ripping out throats even before the early patches not including the queen patch that takes most of the patch blame.
SC2 was doomed from the start.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3399 Posts
January 12 2013 20:56 GMT
#872
On January 13 2013 05:54 Slackzftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:52 pmp10 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:50 Slackzftw wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:49 Zane wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:47 opterown wrote:
gonna be MKP, MC and six zergs in RO8 lol

It could be worse.


No. This tourney had the best possible lineup. Every major player was invited but who wins... Zerg as always... we need HotS right now! WoL is just not balanced since like 4 month.

What makes you think that HotS will be any better?
Both games are design and balanced by Blizzard so all you are doing is buying time until the next screw-up.


Blizzard does not balance WoL anymore, they focus 100% on HotS - it has to be balanced.

They just launched a new custom map to test infestet terran nerf.
Not to say it's a good idea but they are still doing things.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
January 12 2013 20:56 GMT
#873
On January 13 2013 05:54 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:50 Vete wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:48 revel8 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 Mouzone wrote:
Things have changed a lot since MMA made Stephano look like a noob in that one series.


Ahh yes, back when MMA's TvZ was invincible. He played with Stephano like a toy in IPL4.


That was a convincing series win for MMA in IPL4. Stephano has won all three of their other meetings though. MMA looks like he lacks confidence that he can beat Stephano.



I think more, it is like the other terran he has problems in the TvZ Matchup and incentive issue.


MMA gave an interview at HSC last month. He said that when he was winning tournaments (such as Iron Squid), he used to specifically research opponents and prepare builds for them. He used to take notes and stuff. He says he no longer does that anymore. He did not explain why. It just seems he got lazy. MMA's decline is more than TvZ issues.


sounds like cella is out of shape! get back to work cella!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 12 2013 20:56 GMT
#874
On January 13 2013 05:54 Makro wrote:
looks like in the french stream that they were all cheering against stephano


Well, it does seem that MMA has a pretty good relationship with the Iron Squid people, and Stephano did skip out on his matches last Iron Squid. Still, French pride
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
January 12 2013 20:57 GMT
#875
On January 13 2013 05:54 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:50 Vete wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:48 revel8 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 Mouzone wrote:
Things have changed a lot since MMA made Stephano look like a noob in that one series.


Ahh yes, back when MMA's TvZ was invincible. He played with Stephano like a toy in IPL4.


That was a convincing series win for MMA in IPL4. Stephano has won all three of their other meetings though. MMA looks like he lacks confidence that he can beat Stephano.



I think more, it is like the other terran he has problems in the TvZ Matchup and incentive issue.


MMA gave an interview at HSC last month. He said that when he was winning tournaments (such as Iron Squid), he used to specifically research opponents and prepare builds for them. He used to take notes and stuff. He says he no longer does that anymore. He did not explain why. It just seems he got lazy. MMA's decline is more than TvZ issues.


Losing Coach Ryu hurt MMA's morale and playing habits badly. See the difference as soon as he left, MMA began to play at a lesser level, and combined with the SlayerS drama, there is a reason why MMA declined beyond the patches and BL/Infestor.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-12 20:58:01
January 12 2013 20:57 GMT
#876
On January 13 2013 05:56 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:54 Makro wrote:
looks like in the french stream that they were all cheering against stephano


Well, it does seem that MMA has a pretty good relationship with the Iron Squid people, and Stephano did skip out on his matches last Iron Squid. Still, French pride


manager of acer is the friend of the organizers, it helps a lot, but i find this quite disgusting
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
January 12 2013 20:58 GMT
#877
On January 13 2013 05:54 Slackzftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:52 pmp10 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:50 Slackzftw wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:49 Zane wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:47 opterown wrote:
gonna be MKP, MC and six zergs in RO8 lol

It could be worse.


No. This tourney had the best possible lineup. Every major player was invited but who wins... Zerg as always... we need HotS right now! WoL is just not balanced since like 4 month.

What makes you think that HotS will be any better?
Both games are design and balanced by Blizzard so all you are doing is buying time until the next screw-up.


Blizzard does not balance WoL anymore, they focus 100% on HotS - it has to be balanced.

Highly unlikely, there is a very small pool of players currently playing on the beta, and it's not the highest caliber of players, most Code S/A players haven't even touched HotS yet, and those who have has been mostly in showmatches.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 12 2013 20:58 GMT
#878
On January 13 2013 05:53 Mensol wrote:
Creator 3-0 clean sweep

i'll be surprised if drg wins a map.


You better take some sedatives then, lest you go into shock.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
January 12 2013 20:58 GMT
#879
On January 13 2013 05:54 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:50 Vete wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:48 revel8 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 Mouzone wrote:
Things have changed a lot since MMA made Stephano look like a noob in that one series.


Ahh yes, back when MMA's TvZ was invincible. He played with Stephano like a toy in IPL4.


That was a convincing series win for MMA in IPL4. Stephano has won all three of their other meetings though. MMA looks like he lacks confidence that he can beat Stephano.



I think more, it is like the other terran he has problems in the TvZ Matchup and incentive issue.


MMA gave an interview at HSC last month. He said that when he was winning tournaments (such as Iron Squid), he used to specifically research opponents and prepare builds for them. He used to take notes and stuff. He says he no longer does that anymore. He did not explain why. It just seems he got lazy. MMA's decline is more than TvZ issues.


More like his coach did those things for him. ;o Should've maybe paid the guy instead of screwing him over, but ah well.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 12 2013 20:58 GMT
#880
On January 13 2013 05:56 Oboeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:54 revel8 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:50 Vete wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:48 revel8 wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:41 Mouzone wrote:
Things have changed a lot since MMA made Stephano look like a noob in that one series.


Ahh yes, back when MMA's TvZ was invincible. He played with Stephano like a toy in IPL4.


That was a convincing series win for MMA in IPL4. Stephano has won all three of their other meetings though. MMA looks like he lacks confidence that he can beat Stephano.



I think more, it is like the other terran he has problems in the TvZ Matchup and incentive issue.


MMA gave an interview at HSC last month. He said that when he was winning tournaments (such as Iron Squid), he used to specifically research opponents and prepare builds for them. He used to take notes and stuff. He says he no longer does that anymore. He did not explain why. It just seems he got lazy. MMA's decline is more than TvZ issues.


sounds like cella is out of shape! get back to work cella!

ryu won*
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