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On January 08 2013 20:28 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. Beating Flash and Rain in a cross-server tournament isn't quite the same as taking them down in Proleague.
Agree but... I don't know. iDra is playing well when he is left to macro and that's not what it takes to take down Flash because you need to be agressive as Flash is reaaaally greedy (Bunker anyone ?). So i don't see iDra use to snipe Flash.
Also it should be fun watching a iDra Flash game. I love them both (but i love Flash and KT more). And now that EG-TL beat SKT they need to lose. Because i want KT to be so far ahead that they will secure the playoff spot (i don't see them falling but... still 4,5 rounds to go).
On January 08 2013 20:12 dubRa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. When was Idra used as a sniper?
I think he is refering to CJ in BW. But i can't remember.
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On January 08 2013 20:33 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:28 GolemMadness wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. Beating Flash and Rain in a cross-server tournament isn't quite the same as taking them down in Proleague. Agree but... I don't know. iDra is playing well when he is left to macro and that's not what it takes to take down Flash because you need to be agressive as Flash is reaaaally greedy (Bunker anyone ?). So i don't see iDra use to snipe Flash. Also it should be fun watching a iDra Flash game. I love them both (but i love Flash and KT more). And now that EG-TL beat SKT they need to lose. Because i want KT to be so far ahead that they will secure the playoff spot (i don't see them falling but... still 4,5 rounds to go). Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:12 dubRa wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. When was Idra used as a sniper? I think he is refering to CJ in BW. But i can't remember.
I can see Idra just preparing HotS and then coming out as a sniper once Proleague switches over. Since I think he took some time off for Christmas/Incontrol's wedding and has been practicing HotS recently, I think it'd be really tough for him to be sent out in Proleague while it's still WoL.
Also, he never played in Proleague in Brood War.
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Next week looks nice. TLEG plays CJ and Khan, while Stars have to play KT and SKT.
And the week after that TLEG and Stars meet. Time to change places 
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On January 08 2013 20:21 Haze.884 wrote:
I like how when EGTL lost to KT Jessica tweeted something implying that EG TL coach isn't good enough. I like how SKT1 (A team boxer is coaching) lost to EG TL rofl. I wonder what she will say now.
Let's tell the truth : we are all surprised by the choices the coach is making. But i think we can trust him now, he knows what he is doing.
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On January 08 2013 20:38 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:33 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 08 2013 20:28 GolemMadness wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. Beating Flash and Rain in a cross-server tournament isn't quite the same as taking them down in Proleague. Agree but... I don't know. iDra is playing well when he is left to macro and that's not what it takes to take down Flash because you need to be agressive as Flash is reaaaally greedy (Bunker anyone ?). So i don't see iDra use to snipe Flash. Also it should be fun watching a iDra Flash game. I love them both (but i love Flash and KT more). And now that EG-TL beat SKT they need to lose. Because i want KT to be so far ahead that they will secure the playoff spot (i don't see them falling but... still 4,5 rounds to go). On January 08 2013 20:12 dubRa wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. When was Idra used as a sniper? I think he is refering to CJ in BW. But i can't remember. I can see Idra just preparing HotS and then coming out as a sniper once Proleague switches over. Since I think he took some time off for Christmas/Incontrol's wedding and has been practicing HotS recently, I think it'd be really tough for him to be sent out in Proleague while it's still WoL. Also, he never played in Proleague in Brood War.
Never ? Where did he beat TossGirl ? I thought it was Proloeague. But... Damn i'm like Jaehoon and can't recall
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On January 08 2013 20:52 Insoleet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:21 Haze.884 wrote:
I like how when EGTL lost to KT Jessica tweeted something implying that EG TL coach isn't good enough. I like how SKT1 (A team boxer is coaching) lost to EG TL rofl. I wonder what she will say now. Let's tell the truth : we are all surprised by the choices the coach is making. But i think we can trust him now, he knows what he is doing.
They even got the coach from SKT lol.
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On January 08 2013 20:33 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:28 GolemMadness wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. Beating Flash and Rain in a cross-server tournament isn't quite the same as taking them down in Proleague. Agree but... I don't know. iDra is playing well when he is left to macro and that's not what it takes to take down Flash because you need to be agressive as Flash is reaaaally greedy (Bunker anyone ?). So i don't see iDra use to snipe Flash. Also it should be fun watching a iDra Flash game. I love them both (but i love Flash and KT more). And now that EG-TL beat SKT they need to lose. Because i want KT to be so far ahead that they will secure the playoff spot (i don't see them falling but... still 4,5 rounds to go). Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:12 dubRa wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. When was Idra used as a sniper? I think he is refering to CJ in BW. But i can't remember.
idrA has never been sent in PL. He wasn't even in the lineup. The difference of level was foo big for that. However I think he could be a viable sniper on SC2. Like ThorZaiN.
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On January 08 2013 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:38 GolemMadness wrote:On January 08 2013 20:33 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 08 2013 20:28 GolemMadness wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. Beating Flash and Rain in a cross-server tournament isn't quite the same as taking them down in Proleague. Agree but... I don't know. iDra is playing well when he is left to macro and that's not what it takes to take down Flash because you need to be agressive as Flash is reaaaally greedy (Bunker anyone ?). So i don't see iDra use to snipe Flash. Also it should be fun watching a iDra Flash game. I love them both (but i love Flash and KT more). And now that EG-TL beat SKT they need to lose. Because i want KT to be so far ahead that they will secure the playoff spot (i don't see them falling but... still 4,5 rounds to go). On January 08 2013 20:12 dubRa wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. When was Idra used as a sniper? I think he is refering to CJ in BW. But i can't remember. I can see Idra just preparing HotS and then coming out as a sniper once Proleague switches over. Since I think he took some time off for Christmas/Incontrol's wedding and has been practicing HotS recently, I think it'd be really tough for him to be sent out in Proleague while it's still WoL. Also, he never played in Proleague in Brood War. Never ? Where did he beat TossGirl ? I thought it was Proloeague. But... Damn i'm like Jaehoon and can't recall
He beat TossGirl at ESWC I think
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is Huk ever at the proleague location? never seem to see him
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Yes, almost best possible result for my FPL!
Congrats Unholy Alliance, SKT T1 is not an easy opponent!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
On January 08 2013 19:54 FataLe wrote:
Suck it, Seeker.
Lolz
I have JYP and Revival on my FPL. IDK what you're talking about ^^
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On January 08 2013 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:38 GolemMadness wrote:On January 08 2013 20:33 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 08 2013 20:28 GolemMadness wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. Beating Flash and Rain in a cross-server tournament isn't quite the same as taking them down in Proleague. Agree but... I don't know. iDra is playing well when he is left to macro and that's not what it takes to take down Flash because you need to be agressive as Flash is reaaaally greedy (Bunker anyone ?). So i don't see iDra use to snipe Flash. Also it should be fun watching a iDra Flash game. I love them both (but i love Flash and KT more). And now that EG-TL beat SKT they need to lose. Because i want KT to be so far ahead that they will secure the playoff spot (i don't see them falling but... still 4,5 rounds to go). On January 08 2013 20:12 dubRa wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. When was Idra used as a sniper? I think he is refering to CJ in BW. But i can't remember. I can see Idra just preparing HotS and then coming out as a sniper once Proleague switches over. Since I think he took some time off for Christmas/Incontrol's wedding and has been practicing HotS recently, I think it'd be really tough for him to be sent out in Proleague while it's still WoL. Also, he never played in Proleague in Brood War. Never ? Where did he beat TossGirl ? I thought it was Proloeague. But... Damn i'm like Jaehoon and can't recall
He beat her at ESWC.
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On January 08 2013 20:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 08 2013 20:01 MCDayC wrote:
Awwww yissss, Sad thorzain couldnt get a win, but still a good victory, and a great performance especially by EG. There was only EG  HerO didn't have to reveal any of his up and down strategies
Think this was also why they didn't use Jaedong against Flash for the SPL
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On January 08 2013 19:45 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 19:43 decado90 wrote:On January 08 2013 19:41 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 19:38 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 19:37 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 19:34 decado90 wrote:On January 08 2013 19:31 blade55555 wrote:On January 08 2013 19:30 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On January 08 2013 19:16 YiSunsin wrote:
I assume choice of players is slightly affected by money EGs got and I am sure they are using it, be it for training houses etc. I mean, there is nothing wrong with that (if that`s the case), it is just sad for me to see EG players chosen instead of TLs when Liquids would be clearly better choice.
Example of this would be Thorzain. They clearly want him to have exposure and gain experience, but TL`s got few way better players than him and they don`t get a chance to play and get experience like T-funk. Yea and fielding Puma so many times was almost ridiculous.
Anyone with me ? ...no. what we see on stream is a very small sample of each players' games. Tzain has beaten players like polt and monster, and puma has dominated tournaments in the padt. Such player choices are entirely reasonable... They also said (the coach said anyway) that they choose players based on in house rankings. Thorzain is in masters league streaming HOTS ffs and certainly a worse player than Hero, Taeja, and Revival. Streams a couple hours of HotS, therefore can't possibly be playing WoL? Playing the same game over and over leads to burn out. It's good to have breaks and change. he streams easily 5+hours of hots per day atm. And tell that to flash. No one knows what Flash's WoL schedule is for sure. And they're not allowed to stream anything until they've played a certain amount in the lab? So he must be meeting what's expected of him... Well in a recent interview he said 50-60 games a day. I always laugh when foreigners use the term "burnout". If you aren't willing to sacrifice to be the best you deserve nothing. As a former competitive Halo player I can assure you burnout is a real and serious problem... you always start to deteriorate in quality as you tire mentally and physically, you have to take breaks.
How much did you practice in Halo? 2-3 hours a day?
In starcraft modt pro's just practice a lot more, and this burnout thing is so goddamn overhyped. Just look at koreans streaming. They easily que up game after game. Even normal masters league players can easily play 5 games in a row without feeling anything.
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Revival closes the deal. very nice indeed. Rain is still top Protoss, and I do think is better than Revival but this game went on the Zergs favor. 
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On January 08 2013 21:09 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 08 2013 20:38 GolemMadness wrote:On January 08 2013 20:33 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 08 2013 20:28 GolemMadness wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. Beating Flash and Rain in a cross-server tournament isn't quite the same as taking them down in Proleague. Agree but... I don't know. iDra is playing well when he is left to macro and that's not what it takes to take down Flash because you need to be agressive as Flash is reaaaally greedy (Bunker anyone ?). So i don't see iDra use to snipe Flash. Also it should be fun watching a iDra Flash game. I love them both (but i love Flash and KT more). And now that EG-TL beat SKT they need to lose. Because i want KT to be so far ahead that they will secure the playoff spot (i don't see them falling but... still 4,5 rounds to go). On January 08 2013 20:12 dubRa wrote:On January 08 2013 20:08 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 20:03 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 20:02 CygnusAres wrote:
With Idra and Demuslim coming to Korea, soon they won't even field any TL members anymore, for the sake of advertisement of their own team. you really think that Idra or Demuslim will be field in PL ? Both are extremely capable snipers. Idra used to be used as a sniper, has taken games off Flash, Roro and Rain, Demuslim's top 8 at NASL is no mean feat, and he has sniped players like Creator in team leagues before. They're certainly no different in skill to a player like Zenio. When was Idra used as a sniper? I think he is refering to CJ in BW. But i can't remember. I can see Idra just preparing HotS and then coming out as a sniper once Proleague switches over. Since I think he took some time off for Christmas/Incontrol's wedding and has been practicing HotS recently, I think it'd be really tough for him to be sent out in Proleague while it's still WoL. Also, he never played in Proleague in Brood War. Never ? Where did he beat TossGirl ? I thought it was Proloeague. But... Damn i'm like Jaehoon and can't recall He beat her at ESWC.
Oh yeah Right
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On January 08 2013 19:59 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 19:58 Salteador Neo wrote:
Lolz Revival in 1761 FPL main teams, most owned player by far :D I bet most have him on the anti team
Hmm? Main team means that they have him on their team that gets them points, anti-team is where you lose points. Only 132 people have Revival on their anti-team as opposed to the 1761 people that have him on their main team.
Putting him on your anti-team would have been a pretty silly move since he was only a 3 pointer.
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On January 08 2013 21:22 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 19:45 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 19:43 decado90 wrote:On January 08 2013 19:41 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 19:38 sAsImre wrote:On January 08 2013 19:37 Larkin wrote:On January 08 2013 19:34 decado90 wrote:On January 08 2013 19:31 blade55555 wrote:On January 08 2013 19:30 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On January 08 2013 19:16 YiSunsin wrote:
I assume choice of players is slightly affected by money EGs got and I am sure they are using it, be it for training houses etc. I mean, there is nothing wrong with that (if that`s the case), it is just sad for me to see EG players chosen instead of TLs when Liquids would be clearly better choice.
Example of this would be Thorzain. They clearly want him to have exposure and gain experience, but TL`s got few way better players than him and they don`t get a chance to play and get experience like T-funk. Yea and fielding Puma so many times was almost ridiculous.
Anyone with me ? ...no. what we see on stream is a very small sample of each players' games. Tzain has beaten players like polt and monster, and puma has dominated tournaments in the padt. Such player choices are entirely reasonable... They also said (the coach said anyway) that they choose players based on in house rankings. Thorzain is in masters league streaming HOTS ffs and certainly a worse player than Hero, Taeja, and Revival. Streams a couple hours of HotS, therefore can't possibly be playing WoL? Playing the same game over and over leads to burn out. It's good to have breaks and change. he streams easily 5+hours of hots per day atm. And tell that to flash. No one knows what Flash's WoL schedule is for sure. And they're not allowed to stream anything until they've played a certain amount in the lab? So he must be meeting what's expected of him... Well in a recent interview he said 50-60 games a day. I always laugh when foreigners use the term "burnout". If you aren't willing to sacrifice to be the best you deserve nothing. As a former competitive Halo player I can assure you burnout is a real and serious problem... you always start to deteriorate in quality as you tire mentally and physically, you have to take breaks. How much did you practice in Halo? 2-3 hours a day? In starcraft modt pro's just practice a lot more, and this burnout thing is so goddamn overhyped. Just look at koreans streaming. They easily que up game after game. Even normal masters league players can easily play 5 games in a row without feeling anything.
I think you misunderstood him. He's right. Because when you do the same think for a lot of hours straight you start to deteriorate. It's more likely you will see it if you do something physical. But yeah behind your comp you can do thing much longer. But when he speaks of break he does not think (i believe) something like 5h of pause. But doing 5hours of ladder and then do a break for 15minutes and the going in again is really gonna up your game. Maybe play a ums or 2vs2 for one game before restarting.
Doing something for a long time can get you tunnel vision. For exemple if i play drums and make rolls for 1hour, after 1h i start to make stupid mistakes. Like not being capable of doing a rythm that i use to play no problem. I make a quick break like playing one or two songs on the guitar and then i go back to my drumset and all is alright.
Hope the analogy was understandable.
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I don't understand why they keep playing Thorzain in TvZ. It's his weakest matchup by far. He's vastly better in TvP and TvT - his late game TvP is probably top 3 or 4 in the world.
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