I'm surprised people are predicting squirtle for second, he's taken a lot of losses to random foreigners like monchi, xigua and sortof and I have not seen him play well in a long time especially his trainwreck of a code S group.
Gogo Taeja!!! I'm actually a little worried if he'll make it through, seeing as how he's shown his vulnerability recently. Two TvPs, one of them squirtle, and a Kespa player...Not saying that I don't believe in Taeja (he's my FPL captain after all :D), but we've all seen upsets happen before. Hopefully not this time, though.
I put my bucks on Dream, not for the sake of the underdog, but last time I watched him he looked impressive. Really hopefull seeing him to top this group
Well honestly expecting Taeja and Squirtle to advance. Happy so long as Squirtle makes it. Rest I'm ok with either way. Hoping Trap, Shine, Dream or Happy will surprise me.
On January 07 2013 11:47 stuchiu wrote: I want a combination of Squirtle, Teaja, Dream or Shine to make it out of this.
You could just say you hope Trap doesn't make it :p
poor happy ;;
His existence feels so faint.
I dunno. For some reason, Happy is really good in the U&D format. He made it through in both season 4 & 5 U&D. His season 5 group was sort of weak but his season 4 group was pretty stacked (SuperNoVa, Creator).
On January 07 2013 11:47 stuchiu wrote: I want a combination of Squirtle, Teaja, Dream or Shine to make it out of this.
You could just say you hope Trap doesn't make it :p
poor happy ;;
His existence feels so faint.
I dunno. For some reason, Happy is really good in the U&D format. He made it through in both season 4 & 5 U&D. His season 5 group was sort of weak but his season 4 group was pretty stacked (SuperNoVa, Creator).
Oh he's certainly strong enough, I'm saying that in a line-up between Waldo, Carmen Sandiego, Light, Alive and Happy, I'd probably notice Happy last.
On January 07 2013 14:49 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Yeah, I believe they called Happy the android terran before in Korea as he doesn't seem to demonstrate much personality =/
he has no real distinct play anymore, nor has he won anything big, so poor Happy isn't the flashiest player.
No distinct play? 11/11 vs 3 hatch!! Never forget!!! (to be fair, GumiHo also did it a week or two later )
Don't be shocked if Dream makes it through. About a year ago in the GESL, idra, demuslim, and many Koreans said he was playing like one of the best Terrans in the world. Couple that with his dismantling of one of the best Protoss players in the world in Rain, and his advance is likely.
Trap should also advance.
3rd is too hard to call between Taeja and Shine.
Happy and Squirtle are the odd men out. Happy has never impressed me, and even when he streamed he seemed lackluster.
On January 07 2013 10:07 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Gogo Taeja!!! I'm actually a little worried if he'll make it through, seeing as how he's shown his vulnerability recently. Two TvPs, one of them squirtle, and a Kespa player...Not saying that I don't believe in Taeja (he's my FPL captain after all :D), but we've all seen upsets happen before. Hopefully not this time, though.
On January 07 2013 08:12 Rallerbabz wrote: Anyone agree?
This just looks like the two obvious favorites only winning and the rest is flipped somewhat randomly. Anyway hard to disagree with a prediction but the thought behind it seems abit simplistic.
On January 07 2013 08:12 Rallerbabz wrote: Anyone agree?
This just looks like the two obvious favorites only winning and the rest is flipped somewhat randomly. Anyway hard to disagree with a prediction but the thought behind it seems abit simplistic.
Lol, Dream losing every game? No chance in hell mate. He's better than Taeja, just you see :D
I probably won't be able to type out LRs today, at least not until SPL Samsung KHAN vs Woongjin Stars is over because I went ahead and made both threads since no one else had yet. I'm going to have to keep an eye on both streams to update and do polls so if someone else could do the LR for at least the first few games I'd appreciate it. It's a weekday so people usually need it in Europe because of work and stuff.
On January 07 2013 16:35 Shellshock1122 wrote: I probably won't be able to type out LRs today, at least not until SPL Samsung KHAN vs Woongjin Stars is over because I went ahead and made both threads since no one else had yet. I'm going to have to keep an eye on both streams to update and do polls so if someone else could do the LR for at least the first few games I'd appreciate it. It's a weekday so people usually need it in Europe because of work and stuff.
On January 07 2013 10:07 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Gogo Taeja!!! I'm actually a little worried if he'll make it through, seeing as how he's shown his vulnerability recently. Two TvPs, one of them squirtle, and a Kespa player...Not saying that I don't believe in Taeja (he's my FPL captain after all :D), but we've all seen upsets happen before. Hopefully not this time, though.
squirtle's pvt is atrociously terrible atm
Ah, it's been awhile since I've seen squirtle play. That's good news (for taeja/liquid) then :D
On January 07 2013 17:02 Tobblish wrote: Oh snap they are doing it via Twitch!
Now I just wonder which qualities are available, if everyone can watch HD for free I will be mad >.>.
Last time they did twitch everyone got good quality for free. they also got all of the premium matches for free live. It was kind of annoying as someone who paid :/
omg HQ works! Also just to repeat, it would be cool if someone LRed the first few games until KHAN vs Stars is over and then I can take over if you want. I have to update both OPs so I dont want to have to cut out in the middle of typing a LR
On January 07 2013 18:02 DisaFear wrote: How do I get the stream to open up in GOM Player? Haven't used this thing in like 14 months
I don't think you can since they switched to the flash player. Mine isn't having any of the buffering problems like it had yesterday so far so maybe it's ok today
On January 07 2013 17:57 Shellshock1122 wrote: omg HQ works! Also just to repeat, it would be cool if someone LRed the first few games until KHAN vs Stars is over and then I can take over if you want. I have to update both OPs so I dont want to have to cut out in the middle of typing a LR
It looks like flash's presence was making the stream lag yesterday :D
On January 07 2013 18:39 blitDz wrote: Lr thread quiet compared to yesterday. I didn't have any stream issues yesterday but its good to see others have improved
Far less exciting group plus people were probably put off by the excessive amount of technical difficulties yesterday, and it's also a weekday, while yesterday was Sunday.
On January 07 2013 18:39 blitDz wrote: Lr thread quiet compared to yesterday. I didn't have any stream issues yesterday but its good to see others have improved
Far less exciting group plus people were probably put off by the excessive amount of technical difficulties yesterday, and it's also a weekday, while yesterday was Sunday.
Yeah enjoying not being back at work for another week. Can sit back and enjoy with a few beers.
On January 07 2013 18:48 Seeker wrote: What happened TaeJa vs Trap? I missed it cause I was translating SPL interview T-T...
I'm watching 2 streams but from what I saw Trap went for fast expand into 4 gate pressure. Taeja opened hellion marine medivac and did some damage early. Trap tried to counter with his 4 gate but TaeJa was able to hold with some marines a bunker a tank and a banshee. then I was watching the other stream because of a ridiculous game in spl. i came back and taeja rode his early game advantage to an unloseable lead where he pushed with a marine tank army vs HT zealot protoss but hit before storm even finished and then Trap died
not 100% accurate but what I put together going in and out of the stream
Cuz the map is fucking amazing for blink obs. And you only got to see Bo1 in the last weeks (Proleague and Up and downs). And the meta for terran is so greedy (CC first into 2 rax or rax with 1 marine into 3 early cc)
i love how squirtle is constantly chronoboosting probes and longdistance mining the natural (well i mean he was doing it before he made his nexus)
ive been doing this sometimes in my games as well (high masters) during an allin its sometimes smart to use the nexus time because it can be chronoboosting out tons of probes over time and a probe within a minute will halfway pay for itself and in 2 minutes its like your probe was free
This really is one of the better contains I've watched. Often contains that last this long tend to get rolled by the defending army just growing to impossible strength and dropping/forcefield break their way out.
you beat these blink allins IMO by opening 1rax 1gas expand, the gas slows your CC slightly but gives you the option of getting fast siegetanks if you scout no nexus, and you get down your ramp with tanks instead of medivacs
EDIT: the power of the build isnt even the blink, its the forcefield stopping you from leaving your base when your army is big enough to kill the stalkers
On January 07 2013 18:58 Adreme wrote: Whelp I know my new build now.
its actually a pretty bad build that has pretty shit winrate, yesterday MC tried it and failed so bad, squirtle just contained him too long that he was just far too ahead
On January 07 2013 18:59 DarkLordOlli wrote: Any LR for the match? Was it just a blink all in, forcefield on ramp into hard contain to medivacs? Or did Squirtle get fancy?
He had 2 observers, so he could see any medivac moving out. So he kept hard containing him after medivacs were out.
I love GSL. Holy crap. I love SPL too, but the production and the casters are just really good with GSL (Don't get me wrong, I love SNM and Whiplash but GOM casters are just too good).
But damn, I thought Wolf made a pun since I thought he was playing Happy Squirtle is saying IM Happy
On January 07 2013 18:59 bankobauss wrote: you beat these blink allins IMO by opening 1rax 1gas expand, the gas slows your CC slightly but gives you the option of getting fast siegetanks if you scout no nexus, and you get down your ramp with tanks instead of medivacs
EDIT: the power of the build isnt even the blink, its the forcefield stopping you from leaving your base when your army is big enough to kill the stalkers
That's just blindly trying to stop 1 build out of many. Not exactly a solution
On January 07 2013 18:55 Tsubbi wrote: why does every 2nd protoss try to blink allin vs terran on cloud atm, so strange
Because it's abusive.
Yeah every non terran player is an abusive faggot. Terrans have NO right to complain about abuse. Or did u just play macro games on steppes of war and never build blue flame +10 hellions?
On January 07 2013 18:59 DarkLordOlli wrote: Any LR for the match? Was it just a blink all in, forcefield on ramp into hard contain to medivacs? Or did Squirtle get fancy?
blink obs all in, but squirtle didnt overcommit like most protoss do, instead kept aware constantly of dream's positioning and used his mobility to destroy units bit by bit
On January 07 2013 18:58 Adreme wrote: Whelp I know my new build now.
its actually a pretty bad build that has pretty shit winrate, yesterday MC tried it and failed so bad, squirtle just contained him too long that he was just far too ahead
Squirtle had one of the better executions of this build.
On January 07 2013 18:58 Adreme wrote: Whelp I know my new build now.
its actually a pretty bad build that has pretty shit winrate, yesterday MC tried it and failed so bad, squirtle just contained him too long that he was just far too ahead
I know how to do a blink stalker all in because I love blink builds I just never thought to take it to the next step like that and deny someone from ever leaving there base like that.
On January 07 2013 18:55 Tsubbi wrote: why does every 2nd protoss try to blink allin vs terran on cloud atm, so strange
Because it's abusive.
Yeah every non terran player is an abusive faggot. Terrans have NO right to complain about abuse. Or did u just play macro games on steppes of war and never build blue flame +10 hellions?
On January 07 2013 18:58 Adreme wrote: Whelp I know my new build now.
its actually a pretty bad build that has pretty shit winrate, yesterday MC tried it and failed so bad, squirtle just contained him too long that he was just far too ahead
It's a good build if you prevent scouting. But only on abysal, antiga and Cloud kingdom.
On January 07 2013 18:55 Tsubbi wrote: why does every 2nd protoss try to blink allin vs terran on cloud atm, so strange
Because it's abusive.
Yeah every non terran player is an abusive faggot. Terrans have NO right to complain about abuse. Or did u just play macro games on steppes of war and never build blue flame +10 hellions?
I don't even know what you are rambling about. He didn't complain about it being abusive, he just said that it is.
On January 07 2013 18:55 Tsubbi wrote: why does every 2nd protoss try to blink allin vs terran on cloud atm, so strange
Because it's abusive.
Yeah every non terran player is an abusive faggot. Terrans have NO right to complain about abuse. Or did u just play macro games on steppes of war and never build blue flame +10 hellions?
Jesus, so aggressive. He didn't even say anything about terran.
On January 07 2013 18:59 bankobauss wrote: you beat these blink allins IMO by opening 1rax 1gas expand, the gas slows your CC slightly but gives you the option of getting fast siegetanks if you scout no nexus, and you get down your ramp with tanks instead of medivacs
EDIT: the power of the build isnt even the blink, its the forcefield stopping you from leaving your base when your army is big enough to kill the stalkers
That's just blindly trying to stop 1 build out of many. Not exactly a solution
a 75 mineral slower CC isnt the death of you, you can use the slightly faster gas to do some cool things. most terrans get the gas right after the CC, but if you get the gas right before the CC and you dont need to make more than 1 bunker if you scout a nexus and suspect 2base aggression because your factory/medivacs are faster
On January 07 2013 18:55 Tsubbi wrote: why does every 2nd protoss try to blink allin vs terran on cloud atm, so strange
Because it's abusive.
Yeah every non terran player is an abusive faggot. Terrans have NO right to complain about abuse. Or did u just play macro games on steppes of war and never build blue flame +10 hellions?
Steppes of war and Prenerf BF Hellion? do you have anything even older to make your point?
On January 07 2013 18:55 Tsubbi wrote: why does every 2nd protoss try to blink allin vs terran on cloud atm, so strange
Because it's abusive.
Yeah every non terran player is an abusive faggot. Terrans have NO right to complain about abuse. Or did u just play macro games on steppes of war and never build blue flame +10 hellions?
... no one played macro games on Steppes of War. I remember Zergs were 7RR up the wazoo in every matchup on that map.
On January 07 2013 19:00 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
On January 07 2013 18:58 Netsky wrote:
On January 07 2013 18:55 Tsubbi wrote: why does every 2nd protoss try to blink allin vs terran on cloud atm, so strange
Because it's abusive.
Yeah every non terran player is an abusive faggot. Terrans have NO right to complain about abuse. Or did u just play macro games on steppes of war and never build blue flame +10 hellions?
I don't even know what you are rambling about. He didn't complain about it being abusive, he just said that it is.
my whine detector is pretty sensitive these days, maybe it's cuz yesterday somebody called mcs expansion of 1 zealot, 2 stalker a cheese.
On January 07 2013 19:00 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:
On January 07 2013 18:58 Netsky wrote:
On January 07 2013 18:55 Tsubbi wrote: why does every 2nd protoss try to blink allin vs terran on cloud atm, so strange
Because it's abusive.
Yeah every non terran player is an abusive faggot. Terrans have NO right to complain about abuse. Or did u just play macro games on steppes of war and never build blue flame +10 hellions?
On January 07 2013 19:03 BathTubNZ wrote: Anyone know the song?
Sounds a bit like La Roux.
When i googled "free the universe" it came up with a band named Major Lazer and that "free the universe" was their new album out in feb 2013 so dunno if that is it or not.
On January 07 2013 19:02 NovemberstOrm wrote: Only way to beat that build is siege tanks.
Till they blink in and snipe the tanks because tanks aren't good against blink stalkers in large numbers (let alone you wont even have a lot of tanks. Also the fact that the bio and medivac count would suffer drastically since you are mining on one base.
On January 07 2013 19:02 NovemberstOrm wrote: Only way to beat that build is siege tanks.
That's so expensive though, one viking to snipe the observer seems better imo.
by the time you make 2 vikings out of a starport the protoss force is so huge. getting a couple siegetanks with marines comes out way faster actually
dont scout a nexus = immediately go marine/tank which beats 1base toss
toss expands, stop making tanks and go bio, and you can pressure the tosses natural in a minute with a huge force
You'd be a little pressed to scout a protoss with or without nexus that easily. As a protoss I always have a single stalker with my 1 gate fe to prevent scouts and keep the terran in the dark.
On January 07 2013 19:02 NovemberstOrm wrote: Only way to beat that build is siege tanks.
That's so expensive though, one viking to snipe the observer seems better imo.
by the time you make 2 vikings out of a starport the protoss force is so huge. getting a couple siegetanks with marines comes out way faster actually
dont scout a nexus = immediately go marine/tank which beats 1base toss
toss expands, stop making tanks and go bio, and you can pressure the tosses natural in a minute with a huge force
You'd be a little pressed to scout a protoss with or without nexus that easily. As a protoss I always have a single stalker with my 1 gate fe to prevent scouts and keep the terran in the dark.
now that i think about it you may not need to abandon the natural and you may be able to hold it with a 1rax expand (no gas) but it absolutely depends on the scout
you can open 1rax expand, and you MUST scout the protosses natural at exactly 5 minutes. possibly by sending out 2 scv's to scout at the same time or something. if your scout is denied you lose
if you dont see a nexus in the toss natural at 5:00, immediately make 3 bunkers in your natural far enough away to prevent your ramp from being forcefielded, and dont go for medivacs (too slow to come out vs 1base aggression). instead dont make the starport and immediately get a techlab/siegemode from your tanks and get 1rax(techlab) making marauders, 1factory making tanks, and 1rax making marines, while CONSTANTLY pumping scv's from your 2 orbitals since scv's trade well with stalkers
when the stalkers blink into your main during the small timing window before your siegemode is done, you can fight the stalkers with SCV's and marines and trade well against them. Sure, you do lose some scv's and marines, but considering the protoss didnt expand and you do not need to abandon your natural it should be a fight in your favor over time. Then eventually your safe your sitting on 2bases and the protosses natural is heavily delayed and you can go into bio at that point
when the "TSL Shine" came up, I almost cried. I'm not even sure why, but just thinking about hearing TSL in that voice for one of the last times ever just made me emotional. Sigh. I'm normally a hardheaded asian, but man.
On January 07 2013 19:23 sAsImre wrote: this casting is just downright disrespectful toward happy lol.
Sometimes play deserves disrespect. It was poor play by Happy on pretty much all fronts.
That said, criticising the Vikings is a silly thing to do. You need Vikings when meching always.
half of the shit they were saying was just downroght wrong, they try to go full analytic mode when neither of them has a good knowledge of sc2 after the basic stuff and they keep with basic misconception such as mech > everything lolol. And disrespect is never earned, despite Happy's awful performance Taeja wasn't so hot too and they made it looked like Mvp had returned.
On January 07 2013 19:37 Tsubbi wrote: scout sentry after stalker and gateways in defensive position? better build 20 speedlings at 6 minutes, shines zvp still bad
it worked out for him with so many force fields wasted and a few probes killed
On January 07 2013 19:37 Tsubbi wrote: scout sentry after stalker and gateways in defensive position? better build 20 speedlings at 6 minutes, shines zvp still bad
It seems like having the name "Shine" just automatically qualifies you to be horrible at ZvP
On January 07 2013 19:37 glzElectromaster wrote: Squirtle showing his old self with his famed 2-base attacks. His 2 base colossi timing vs terran still give me nightmares.
kespa has been pretty weak in up/downs so far lol, so far in all 6 ups and down groups with kespa players, none have advanced to code S from up/down, and today trap is already 1 game down
On January 07 2013 19:38 Hall0wed wrote: Really shocked that Shine would make that decision to counterattack with that small group of roaches, so bizarre.
Yeah, that few Roaches weren't going to get anything done. Guess he was just desperate and grasping at straws or hoping to pull Squirtle's army back to give himself more time to prepare.
On January 07 2013 19:37 glzElectromaster wrote: Squirtle showing his old self with his famed 2-base attacks. His 2 base colossi timing vs terran still give me nightmares.
So far so good for the two favorites of the group. Both of them are 2-0. usually someone crashes and burns in the up and downs and someone unexpected goes beast mode
On January 07 2013 19:38 Hall0wed wrote: Really shocked that Shine would make that decision to counterattack with that small group of roaches, so bizarre.
Yeah, that few Roaches weren't going to get anything done. Guess he was just desperate and grasping at straws or hoping to pull Squirtle's army back to give himself more time to prepare.
Hoping that Squirtle will pull back his army for 6 roaches would be even more bizarre hahaha. But Shine just looked terrible that game. It wasn't even desperation. I actually felt sorry for him.
On January 07 2013 19:37 glzElectromaster wrote: Squirtle showing his old self with his famed 2-base attacks. His 2 base colossi timing vs terran still give me nightmares.
As a protoss player these were good nightmares :D
So, dreams then? They were (sweet) dreams?
Wet dreams. I still love doing that build if I suspect a 3 CC build from terran.
On January 07 2013 19:37 glzElectromaster wrote: Squirtle showing his old self with his famed 2-base attacks. His 2 base colossi timing vs terran still give me nightmares.
As a protoss player these were good nightmares :D
So, dreams then? They were (sweet) dreams?
Yep dreaming of Tera Patrick/Scarlett Johansson and the 2 base Squirtle collosus push vs Terran are the best dreams
On January 07 2013 19:37 glzElectromaster wrote: Squirtle showing his old self with his famed 2-base attacks. His 2 base colossi timing vs terran still give me nightmares.
As a protoss player these were good nightmares :D
So, dreams then? They were (sweet) dreams?
Wet dreams. I still love doing that build if I suspect a 3 CC build from terran.
3CC vs Toss is really ambitious lol. Being in a much lower league, I get away with doing the Bomber build every game and having a 80% TvP winrate.
I guess that'll change this ladder season now that I'm in Plat, which still is low but not low enough to get away with that.
On January 07 2013 19:37 glzElectromaster wrote: Squirtle showing his old self with his famed 2-base attacks. His 2 base colossi timing vs terran still give me nightmares.
As a protoss player these were good nightmares :D
So, dreams then? They were (sweet) dreams?
Wet dreams. I still love doing that build if I suspect a 3 CC build from terran.
3CC vs Toss is really ambitious lol. Being in a much lower league, I get away with doing the Bomber build every game and having a 80% TvP winrate.
I guess that'll change this ladder season now that I'm in Plat, which still is low but not low enough to get away with that.
Back when I was playing Terran a lot more I double reactor Hellion expanded my way into Plat before it stopped working, so I wouldn't feel too bad about doing the Bomber build.
On January 07 2013 19:45 LeLfe wrote: how is GOM's stream today? as laggy as yesterday?
I honestly think that they just didn't anticipate the stream load that Flash and Jaedong would cause. Working fine for me today (but it was fine for most of yesterday as well, I'm in Asia).
On January 07 2013 19:37 glzElectromaster wrote: Squirtle showing his old self with his famed 2-base attacks. His 2 base colossi timing vs terran still give me nightmares.
As a protoss player these were good nightmares :D
So, dreams then? They were (sweet) dreams?
Wet dreams. I still love doing that build if I suspect a 3 CC build from terran.
3CC vs Toss is really ambitious lol. Being in a much lower league, I get away with doing the Bomber build every game and having a 80% TvP winrate.
I guess that'll change this ladder season now that I'm in Plat, which still is low but not low enough to get away with that.
Back when I was playing Terran a lot more I double reactor Hellion expanded my way into Plat before it stopped working, so I wouldn't feel too bad about doing the Bomber build.
I usually go 3 gate robo -> colossus, blink, 1 forge. It shouldn't work at higher levels I think but terrans are really really bad in diamond.
Trap's simcity working against him IMO. Bad idea to make it so that units have to walk all the way around all those gateways, then on top of that putting Templar tech in the area that units have to run all the way around gateways to defend.
On January 07 2013 19:48 tiMelEfT wrote: Khaldor is so bad.
If by bad you mean good then yes, I agree.
Good and incredibly hard working. Face it people, we wouldn't exist without Khaldor.
can't stand people talking trash about such a dedicated and nice person. Khaldor is awesome even if you don't like the way he casts you have to admit it
On January 07 2013 19:48 tiMelEfT wrote: Khaldor is so bad.
If by bad you mean good then yes, I agree.
Good and incredibly hard working. Face it people, we wouldn't exist without Khaldor.
can't stand people talking trash about such a dedicated and nice person. Khaldor is awesome even if you don't like the way he casts you have to admit it
Khaldor is awesome Sadly though I'm at school so I have to keep the stream muted :/
If you don't like Khaldor mute the stream, you are either watching for free or paid for it knowing what casters you would get.
On January 07 2013 19:48 tiMelEfT wrote: Khaldor is so bad.
If by bad you mean good then yes, I agree.
Good and incredibly hard working. Face it people, we wouldn't exist without Khaldor.
can't stand people talking trash about such a dedicated and nice person. Khaldor is awesome even if you don't like the way he casts you have to admit it
Khaldor is awesome Sadly though I'm at school so I have to keep the stream muted :/
If you don't like Khaldor mute the stream, you are either watching for free or paid for it knowing what casters you would get.
or he could go back to play by play and forgot to do awful analysis. a shame both wolf and him have this tendancy to try to do what they're not able to do.
On January 07 2013 19:56 Noizhende wrote: does anyone else have problems getting gom streamer to work?
is just gives me "Unable to parse GOX XML URL from the live page."
I suspect that has something to do with you trying to watch a flash based stream with VLC, pretty sure it can't do that. You don't need gomplayer anymore, it's all browser based now.
On January 07 2013 19:56 Noizhende wrote: does anyone else have problems getting gom streamer to work?
is just gives me "Unable to parse GOX XML URL from the live page."
I suspect that has something to do with you trying to watch a flash based stream with VLC, pretty sure it can't do that. You don't need gomplayer anymore, it's all browser based now.
Was watching huk/proleague/EHQ GSL all at top np, but the gom just started failing now, closed down everything, still failed, it's working at SQ though but.. You know, once you go gom subscriber, you never go back.... For a reason
On January 07 2013 20:00 n0ise wrote: pretty cool game so far... funny how Protoss ended up being the more harass/multi-pronged oriented race in the lategame
well if T had warpgate they wouldn't try it but...
On January 07 2013 20:00 n0ise wrote: pretty cool game so far... funny how Protoss ended up being the more harass/multi-pronged oriented race in the lategame
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
do you have adblock on? I don't think it works with adblock on
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
On January 07 2013 20:03 DJHelium wrote: Nice to see Dream doing well! MVP really needs a high profile terran. Keen is ok, but he just hasn't gotten the results.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
right click in the black screen > Settings > Local recordings move them up
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
right click in the black screen > Settings > Local recordings move them up
I put it up to 10 MB....still nothing.
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work without it...well then they just lost a viewer.
On January 07 2013 20:03 DJHelium wrote: Nice to see Dream doing well! MVP really needs a high profile terran. Keen is ok, but he just hasn't gotten the results.
I always felt he had lots of potential, i remember ages ago in his first appearance in code A he came within 1 map of advancing to code S, looked really skilled back then yet fell away. Good to see him stick at it, I hope to see him make Code S!
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
hehe but genius DID win a game with no thermal lance
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
On January 07 2013 20:03 arioch wrote: wtf my stream jumped 2 mins ahead all of a sudden and i missed the end.
Brilliant.
Yeah, I wish there was a button to catch up to live. When the stream buffers, it gets more and more behind and then will randomly jump ahead later on at an inconvenient time.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
Try another browser or something - nothing special is required to view the stream as far as I can tell. Flash player is indeed a pain, sometimes
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
hehe but genius DID win a game with no thermal lance
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
right click in the black screen > Settings > Local recordings move them up
I put it up to 10 MB....still nothing.
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work without it...well then they just lost a viewer.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
SC2 players have bad mechanics. Something about elephants
I really don't get this whole Kespa vs ESF thing. I just dislike Kespa.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
probably animosity towards kespa fans who've showered LR threads saying their gods would never make such amateur mistakes, nor get supply blocked etc.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
Yes, it's ridiculous of them to expect you to have an up to date flash player. Truly outrageous.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
well, GOM player was much worse, you had to download Gom player and update it constantly and it was lower quality
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
GSL switched over to a web based viewer instead of gomplayer, actually.
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
Yes, it's ridiculous of them to expect you to have an up to date flash player. Truly outrageous.
Yes it is. New Version is, as I already said, buggy like hell for me. Has lags, computer stops working with it and everything. So I downgraded it agan. What the crap is this, that their plaser only works with the very newest version, especially after I still have their stupid player installed.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
Yes, it's ridiculous of them to expect you to have an up to date flash player. Truly outrageous.
it just doesn't work for random reasons, can't handle Flash/Jaedong, half of the time HQ is unusable. At least vods are working normally.
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
those aren't TL article. Just well written article by some TL staff.
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
Yes, it's ridiculous of them to expect you to have an up to date flash player. Truly outrageous.
Yes it is. New Version is, as I already said, buggy like hell for me. Has lags, computer stops working with it and everything. So I downgraded it agan. What the crap is this, that their plaser only works with the very newest version, especially after I still have their stupid player installed.
you should just attempt to dl it again and try it out before cursing around and doing nothing but give a bad impression
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
Yes, it's ridiculous of them to expect you to have an up to date flash player. Truly outrageous.
it just doesn't work for random reasons, can't handle Flash/Jaedong, half of the time HQ is unusable. At least vods are working normally.
The second two reasons have nothing to do with their flash player. And yes, while I agree it currently has a few too many bugs, that wasn't what I commented on.
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
those aren't TL article. Just well written article by some TL staff.
idk who made elephant in the room, ik ver made the savior and the patchzerg one, i really liked savior one but patchzerg one was funny but the aftermath of it from forum posters was what grind my gear
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
Yes, it's ridiculous of them to expect you to have an up to date flash player. Truly outrageous.
Yes it is. New Version is, as I already said, buggy like hell for me. Has lags, computer stops working with it and everything. So I downgraded it agan. What the crap is this, that their plaser only works with the very newest version, especially after I still have their stupid player installed.
you should just attempt to dl it again and try it out before cursing around and doing nothing but give a bad impression
I have tried the player various times. Downloaded from different sources and had the same problems every time. Screen freezes, lags and computer crashes. I tried everything I knew and it didn't work out. So the only result was to go back to a previous version. And as GOM doesn't support the SECOND newest version well... then screw them
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
those aren't TL article. Just well written article by some TL staff.
idk who made elephant in the room, ik ver made the savior and the patchzerg one, i really liked savior one but patchzerg one was funny but the aftermath of it from forum posters was what grind my gear
so idiots are annoying? i don't remember the elephant author but there was a warning that it wasn't the site opinion etc...
On January 07 2013 20:03 Ficetool wrote: Do I actually need the newest version of the adobe player to watch this? When I press no the screen just stays black...Any solutions?
Adblock turned off?
No I hadn't. Thanks for the advice. It still doesn't work though =(
Oh well whatever, then I am not gonna watch this crap production. I will not update my flash player as it is buggy as hell for me. And if Gom doesnt work...well then they just lost a viewer.
definitely kespa troll
Yeah no...just sick of GOM where I need to DL extra players or update everything just that I am able to watch in 240p (At least that's what I assume it to be as it has been like this for quite some time)
TBH I don't even know the difference between gom and kespa. But whatever
Yes, it's ridiculous of them to expect you to have an up to date flash player. Truly outrageous.
Yes it is. New Version is, as I already said, buggy like hell for me. Has lags, computer stops working with it and everything. So I downgraded it agan. What the crap is this, that their plaser only works with the very newest version, especially after I still have their stupid player installed.
you should just attempt to dl it again and try it out before cursing around and doing nothing but give a bad impression
I have tried the player various times. Downloaded from different sources and had the same problems every time. Screen freezes, lags and computer crashes. I tried everything I knew and it didn't work out. So the only result was to go back to a previous version. And as GOM doesn't support the SECOND newest version well... then screw them
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Well that can still happen once they completely figure out the game Elephant is real!!11!!!!11
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
try to consider that the kespa players werent affected at all by the metagames of 2010/2011
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
They're also not doing so well in SC2 except in their own league that uses ridiculously imbalanced maps. A few players shine, generally KeSPA players have been disappointing though.
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
They've been playing for over half a year in the same meta as everyone else, it's really a non-issue at this point.
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
They're also not doing so well in SC2 except in their own league that uses ridiculously imbalanced maps. A few players shine, generally KeSPA players have been disappointing though.
complaining about imbalance maps when it's a bo1 format with player selecting their maps is retarded. Most top tier kespa players have really good results too.
On January 07 2013 09:00 DJHelium wrote: I think the skill level in this group is very even. Taeja is probably favored. My cock answer is (aside from Incontrol) Happy.
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
And? 3/4 of the time played by eSF players was on outdated mappool and patchs lol.
On January 07 2013 20:04 Azzur wrote: Lol, some Kespa skills there:
- When he had an advantage, over extending at the 3rd base and losing his army
- Forgetting thermal lance
- Charging up the ramp there, showing typical Kespa decision making
Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
They're also not doing so well in SC2 except in their own league that uses ridiculously imbalanced maps. A few players shine, generally KeSPA players have been disappointing though.
complaining about imbalance maps when it's a bo1 format with player selecting their maps is retarded. Most top tier kespa players have really good results too.
No it's not and no they do not. "Top tier kespa players" are Flash, Rain, CJherO, Fantasy and the likes in my eyes. Rain is the only one of those who had a really good result with his Ro4 finish in GSL. I'm not complaining about the balance on those maps, I'm just saying that results on those maps don't mean anything overall. If KeSPA terrans have great results in PL because they get sent on Arkanoid a ton, that doesn't mean anything. Did they ever play a zerg on that map? Lol, no they didn't. Currently PL results do not indicate skill overall. Flash all kills EGTL on reasonable maps, that does indicate skill.
You can have a great overall score in PL and look brilliant during it, if you only get sent out as a sniper vs certain races or on certain maps it doesn't mean much.
On January 07 2013 20:06 pdd wrote: [quote] Don't really get what the animosity against KeSPA there. A lot of ESF players have made similar mistakes. (Genius has forgotten Thermal Lance before, countless players have overextended and made timing and judgment errors)/
I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
They're also not doing so well in SC2 except in their own league that uses ridiculously imbalanced maps. A few players shine, generally KeSPA players have been disappointing though.
complaining about imbalance maps when it's a bo1 format with player selecting their maps is retarded. Most top tier kespa players have really good results too.
No it's not and no they do not. "Top tier kespa players" are Flash, Rain, CJherO, Fantasy and the likes in my eyes. Rain is the only one of those who had a really good result with his Ro4 finish in GSL. I'm not complaining about the balance on those maps, I'm just saying that results on those maps don't mean anything overall. If KeSPA terrans have great results in PL because they get sent on Arkanoid a ton, that doesn't mean anything. Did they ever play a zerg on that map? Lol, no they didn't. Currently PL results do not indicate skill overall. Flash all kills EGTL on reasonable maps, that does indicate skill.
You can have a great overall score in PL and look brilliant during it, if you only get sent out as a sniper vs certain races or on certain maps it doesn't mean much.
Are you on drugs? Plenty of zergs played on that map. ZvZ also was played.
I don't think Trap is that bad off. I like how he techs while defending, he will have a great composition soon, while Shine keeps pumping supply inefficient units.
On January 07 2013 20:35 DJHelium wrote: I don't think Trap is that bad off. I like how he techs while defending, he will have a great composition soon, while Shine keeps pumping supply inefficient units.
i don't know what you heard about infestor + bl...
On January 07 2013 20:35 DJHelium wrote: I don't think Trap is that bad off. I like how he techs while defending, he will have a great composition soon, while Shine keeps pumping supply inefficient units.
i don't know what you heard about infestor + bl...
he's almost there.
Almost
Roaches and corruptors isn't that good vs stalker-immortal-archon!
Hahahaha, silly Shine. He had such a huge advantage but he insisted on shoving unit after unit on Trap's well defended position. Instead, if he had teched to hive and infestors, he would've won a very easy victory.
On January 07 2013 20:43 UnKooL wrote: Looks like no upsets from the group unlike yesterdays group. Taeja and Squirtle likely to advance just like everyone predicted.
On January 07 2013 20:35 samurai80 wrote: Trap is actually not playing bad, he's really unlucky and got bad maps too.
Stupid format as well, I guess. And also a stacked group.
Well they wouldn't be here if they'd just won all the required Bo3s.
I'm not really getting all these "stupid format" comments. Is it because it's Bo1? Does that make team leagues bad too?
Well, the format people really want is that the player they are a blind fanatic of gets a seed into Code S which is then followed by games in which the result doesn't matter.
wow, poor dream, was in such a great position. But Taeja's superb macro and decision making (not counting the dodgy attack that gave dream the lead ) really got him back into the contest very quickly.
I'm glad some players started using yellow as team color now, guess they noticed pl guys do it. I hate green/red/blue, can't see shit without stronger color mod.
I disagree when ppl say Taeja has good decision making. Similar to this game, in his game vs Happy, he botched an attack which put him behind. But his superior mechanics pulled him through both games.
However, I reckon if he faced someone with similarly good mechanics, he would've lost both games.
Looks like Taeja got that fire back after having the team get stomped by Flash. Their results are polar opposites of one another (for Proleague and GSL up and downs).
On January 07 2013 21:00 speknek wrote: I'm glad some players started using yellow as team color now, guess they noticed pl guys do it. I hate green/red/blue, can't see shit without stronger color mod.
They said this season gom is letting everyone choose their own color
On January 07 2013 21:00 speknek wrote: I'm glad some players started using yellow as team color now, guess they noticed pl guys do it. I hate green/red/blue, can't see shit without stronger color mod.
They said this season gom is letting everyone choose their own color
Let's hope they make exceptions for ZvZ, don't wanna see blue vs purple >_>
On January 07 2013 21:00 speknek wrote: I'm glad some players started using yellow as team color now, guess they noticed pl guys do it. I hate green/red/blue, can't see shit without stronger color mod.
They said this season gom is letting everyone choose their own color
On January 07 2013 21:00 speknek wrote: I'm glad some players started using yellow as team color now, guess they noticed pl guys do it. I hate green/red/blue, can't see shit without stronger color mod.
They said this season gom is letting everyone choose their own color
Let's hope they make exceptions for ZvZ, don't wanna see blue vs purple >_>
purple should be banned on cloud kingdom but they already let Dream use it. makes it a pain in the ass to see on the minimap
On January 07 2013 21:00 speknek wrote: I'm glad some players started using yellow as team color now, guess they noticed pl guys do it. I hate green/red/blue, can't see shit without stronger color mod.
They said this season gom is letting everyone choose their own color
I blame Stephano for this
Probaly a clause he imposed when he acccepted that spot
On January 07 2013 21:00 speknek wrote: I'm glad some players started using yellow as team color now, guess they noticed pl guys do it. I hate green/red/blue, can't see shit without stronger color mod.
They said this season gom is letting everyone choose their own color
Let's hope they make exceptions for ZvZ, don't wanna see blue vs purple >_>
purple should be banned on cloud kingdom but they already let Dream use it. makes it a pain in the ass to see on the minimap
It's not like they're not using the green/red setting anyways, so..
On January 07 2013 20:09 Die4Ever wrote: [quote] I think it's just people being annoyed by the kespa fans, nothing wrong with the players themselves of course. Although kespa fans and esf fans have both been behaving much better lately.
It's that idiotic article and the whenever people use the word elephants for me.
i agree, TL has made some stupid articles in the past, while most are good, i disagree with the elephant in the room bullshit theory, the patchzerg theory etc
theory? :O
I never read that elephant article, can anybody PM me that so I can read it later? Pleeeaaaase
its a theory where when flash/jaedong/kespa switch over they will dominate and it will basically be same people from bw dominance but just a different game. Atm ESF-kespa is fairly 50% so it is pretty much proven bullshit
Try to consider that the Kespa players play sc2 for ... not 1/4 so long as the first hour sc2 pros
They're also not doing so well in SC2 except in their own league that uses ridiculously imbalanced maps. A few players shine, generally KeSPA players have been disappointing though.
complaining about imbalance maps when it's a bo1 format with player selecting their maps is retarded. Most top tier kespa players have really good results too.
No it's not and no they do not. "Top tier kespa players" are Flash, Rain, CJherO, Fantasy and the likes in my eyes. Rain is the only one of those who had a really good result with his Ro4 finish in GSL. I'm not complaining about the balance on those maps, I'm just saying that results on those maps don't mean anything overall. If KeSPA terrans have great results in PL because they get sent on Arkanoid a ton, that doesn't mean anything. Did they ever play a zerg on that map? Lol, no they didn't. Currently PL results do not indicate skill overall. Flash all kills EGTL on reasonable maps, that does indicate skill.
You can have a great overall score in PL and look brilliant during it, if you only get sent out as a sniper vs certain races or on certain maps it doesn't mean much.
Are you on drugs? Plenty of zergs played on that map. ZvZ also was played.
I'm not "on drugs", kid. I was just using a random map + random race. You get my point though, yes? Good. Then stfu. I haven't seen an intelligent post out of you yet.
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Happy (0-3) vs Trap (1-2) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Happy spawns in the bottom left Trap spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Trap rax first for Happy
2:00 gas for Trap cybernetics core for Trap
3:00 zealot for Trap CC for Happy on the low ground stalker for Trap
4:00 sentry for Trap scv scout of Happy is killed by the stalker bunker at the natural choke for Happy Nexus for Trap 2 more rax for Happy 2nd gas for Trap
5:00 double gas for Happy 2 more gates for Trap tech lab for Happy robo for Trap
On January 07 2013 21:11 blacksheepwall wrote: I just realized that IM has 7 players in the Up/Downs. That's 25% of the whole group (aside from the two invites). Crazy.
It's neat but it would have been more impressive to get 8 of them in Code S without having to do up/downs. It was entirely possible because all 8 of them were in a different bracket, but only Mvp succeeded.
On January 07 2013 21:00 blacksheepwall wrote: Taeja basically guaranteed Code S now. He needs to lose out and Shine needs to win out or else he's got second place locked up, I do believe.
EDIT: Because he's beaten both the other players at 1-2 who could theoretically tie him in map score.
Actually he still depends on shine. If shine wins against him and against dream, he would be third since he would have lost to shine.
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Happy (0-3) vs Trap (1-2) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Happy spawns in the bottom left Trap spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Trap rax first for Happy
2:00 gas for Trap cybernetics core for Trap
3:00 zealot for Trap CC for Happy on the low ground stalker for Trap
4:00 sentry for Trap scv scout of Happy is killed by the stalker bunker at the natural choke for Happy Nexus for Trap 2 more rax for Happy 2nd gas for Trap
5:00 double gas for Happy 2 more gates for Trap tech lab for Happy robo for Trap
6:00 stim research started for Happy another gas for Trap factory for Happy 3rd gas for Happy
7:00 observer first from the robo for Trap marauder production started for Happy 4th gas for Trap ebay for Happy double forge for Trap
8:00 Happy starts moving out with a small bio force Trap is kiting the marines with his stalkers Robotics Bay for Trap starport for Happy +1 attack started for Happy 1-1 started for Trap Happy retreats his bio back to his natural
9:00 double medivac production started for Happy Colossus production started for Trap Happy pushing out again as his medivacs are building Extended thermal lance started for Trap Combat shields started for Happy observer of Trap sees the army moving out
10:00 2 more rax started for Happy in the 4th base area of Trap Happy breaking down the rocks outside Trap's natural Twilight council started for Trap 2 more gates for Trap
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Happy (0-3) vs Trap (1-2) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Happy spawns in the bottom left Trap spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Trap rax first for Happy
2:00 gas for Trap cybernetics core for Trap
3:00 zealot for Trap CC for Happy on the low ground stalker for Trap
4:00 sentry for Trap scv scout of Happy is killed by the stalker bunker at the natural choke for Happy Nexus for Trap 2 more rax for Happy 2nd gas for Trap
5:00 double gas for Happy 2 more gates for Trap tech lab for Happy robo for Trap
6:00 stim research started for Happy another gas for Trap factory for Happy 3rd gas for Happy
7:00 observer first from the robo for Trap marauder production started for Happy 4th gas for Trap ebay for Happy double forge for Trap
8:00 Happy starts moving out with a small bio force Trap is kiting the marines with his stalkers Robotics Bay for Trap starport for Happy +1 attack started for Happy 1-1 started for Trap Happy retreats his bio back to his natural
9:00 double medivac production started for Happy Colossus production started for Trap Happy pushing out again as his medivacs are building Extended thermal lance started for Trap Combat shields started for Happy observer of Trap sees the army moving out
10:00 2 more rax started for Happy in the 4th base area of Trap Happy breaking down the rocks outside Trap's natural Twilight council started for Trap 2 more gates for Trap
11:00 tech labs started on the proxy rax 3rd proxy rax started for Happy concussive shells started for Happy 2-2 started for Trap +1 armor started for Happy 3rd colossus on the way -- range is done observer of Trap is killed over the army of Happy blink research started for Trap
12:00 4 marauder drop in the main of Trap marine drop in the natural of Trap marine drop is cleaned up right away another drop in the main of Trap is cleaned up right away Happy has to lift all of his drops viking production started for Happy 4th colossus on the way for Trap 2 more gates started for Trap
13:00 triple drop in the main of Trap the other half of the army runs into the natural but forcefields block them Triple drop focuses down the nexus in the main armies are battling in the middle of the map Happy is losing his main part of his army a spawning colossus is killed by the triple drop
14:00 Happy kills the robo of Trap Trap finally cleans up the drop Nexus restarted for Trap in the main Happy is 20 supply ahead 2-2 is done for Trap now robo restarted for Trap Happy pulls a lot of his scvs
15:00 Happy goes for an attack on the natural of Trap stalkers blink onto the high ground to target the vikings probes are pulled to defend Happy has to back off 2 colossi are still alive vs 4 vikings
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Happy (0-3) vs Trap (1-2) Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Happy spawns in the bottom left Trap spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Trap rax first for Happy
2:00 gas for Trap cybernetics core for Trap
3:00 zealot for Trap CC for Happy on the low ground stalker for Trap
4:00 sentry for Trap scv scout of Happy is killed by the stalker bunker at the natural choke for Happy Nexus for Trap 2 more rax for Happy 2nd gas for Trap
5:00 double gas for Happy 2 more gates for Trap tech lab for Happy robo for Trap
6:00 stim research started for Happy another gas for Trap factory for Happy 3rd gas for Happy
7:00 observer first from the robo for Trap marauder production started for Happy 4th gas for Trap ebay for Happy double forge for Trap
8:00 Happy starts moving out with a small bio force Trap is kiting the marines with his stalkers Robotics Bay for Trap starport for Happy +1 attack started for Happy 1-1 started for Trap Happy retreats his bio back to his natural
9:00 double medivac production started for Happy Colossus production started for Trap Happy pushing out again as his medivacs are building Extended thermal lance started for Trap Combat shields started for Happy observer of Trap sees the army moving out
10:00 2 more rax started for Happy in the 4th base area of Trap Happy breaking down the rocks outside Trap's natural Twilight council started for Trap 2 more gates for Trap
11:00 tech labs started on the proxy rax 3rd proxy rax started for Happy concussive shells started for Happy 2-2 started for Trap +1 armor started for Happy 3rd colossus on the way -- range is done observer of Trap is killed over the army of Happy blink research started for Trap
12:00 4 marauder drop in the main of Trap marine drop in the natural of Trap marine drop is cleaned up right away another drop in the main of Trap is cleaned up right away Happy has to lift all of his drops viking production started for Happy 4th colossus on the way for Trap 2 more gates started for Trap
13:00 triple drop in the main of Trap the other half of the army runs into the natural but forcefields block them Triple drop focuses down the nexus in the main armies are battling in the middle of the map Happy is losing his main part of his army a spawning colossus is killed by the triple drop
14:00 Happy kills the robo of Trap Trap finally cleans up the drop Nexus restarted for Trap in the main Happy is 20 supply ahead 2-2 is done for Trap now robo restarted for Trap Happy pulls a lot of his scvs
15:00 Happy goes for an attack on the natural of Trap stalkers blink onto the high ground to target the vikings probes are pulled to defend Happy has to back off 2 colossi are still alive vs 4 vikings
16:00 omg buffering is back!!!!
17:00 drop in the main of Trap Happy attacks into the natural Trap is being pushed back into his main probes in the natural are pulled to defend Happy is 60 supply ahead vikings land Trap ggs! Trap falls to 1-3 Happy improves to 1-3 with his first win!
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Shine (1-2) vs Dream (1-2) Map: Daybreak
0:00 Shine spawns in the top right Dream spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Shine CC first for Dream pool for Shine rax for Dream
3:00 gas for Dream drones and scvs
4:00 factory for Dream reactor for Dream
5:00 3rd CC for Dream in his main 2nd gas for Dream 2nd Factory for Dream
6:00 reactored hellion production started for Dream 3rd base started for Shine ling speed started for Shine evo chamber for Shine
7:00 Blue flame research started for Dream triple hellion production for Dream 2nd evo for Shine spinecrawler for Shine 2 more gas for Shine double ebay for Dream
8:00 1-1 ling upgrades started for Shine 1-1 bio started for Dream overlord scouts double factory Lair started for Shine Dream tries to drive into the natural the lings hold back the hellions long enough for queens to block stim research started for Dream Roach warren started for Shine
9:00 baneling nest started for Shine starport started for Shine 3 more rax for Dream armory started for Dream spire started for Shine Dream floating out his 3rd OC
10:00 baneling speed started for Shine siege tank and siege mode research started for Dream missile turrets going up for Dream ling runby to the 3rd is cleaned up by blue flame hellions macro hatch for Shine 2-2 started for Shine
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Shine (1-2) vs Dream (1-2) Map: Daybreak
0:00 Shine spawns in the top right Dream spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Shine CC first for Dream pool for Shine rax for Dream
3:00 gas for Dream drones and scvs
4:00 factory for Dream reactor for Dream
5:00 3rd CC for Dream in his main 2nd gas for Dream 2nd Factory for Dream
6:00 reactored hellion production started for Dream 3rd base started for Shine ling speed started for Shine evo chamber for Shine
7:00 Blue flame research started for Dream triple hellion production for Dream 2nd evo for Shine spinecrawler for Shine 2 more gas for Shine double ebay for Dream
8:00 1-1 ling upgrades started for Shine 1-1 bio started for Dream overlord scouts double factory Lair started for Shine Dream tries to drive into the natural the lings hold back the hellions long enough for queens to block stim research started for Dream Roach warren started for Shine
9:00 baneling nest started for Shine starport started for Shine 3 more rax for Dream armory started for Dream spire started for Shine Dream floating out his 3rd OC
10:00 baneling speed started for Shine siege tank and siege mode research started for Dream missile turrets going up for Dream ling runby to the 3rd is cleaned up by blue flame hellions macro hatch for Shine 2-2 started for Shine
11:00 2-2 started for Dream muta production started for Shine 4th base started for Shine hellions pick off some slow banes for free on the map
12:00 concussive shells started for Dream combat shields started for Dream burrow research started for Shine mutas are revealed as they chase away hellions Dream putting up some more missile turrets double medivac production underway for Dream
13:00 infestation pit on the way for Shine +1 vehicle weapons started for Dream Sensor tower going up for Dream pathogen glands started for Shine overlord speed research started for shine
14:00 4th CC started for Dream baneling bomb kills a few marines on the watchtower Hive started for Shine drop at the 4th of Shine
15:00 large ling baneling attack at the 3rd of Dream Dream has tanks and a bunker so Shine backs off drop at the 4th of Shine is cleaned up 5th base started for shine Dream is chasing the army of Shine and picking off some of the banelings as they lag behind
Getting terrible stream lag. This is way worse than it was with Gom player, this new streaming just goes into buffering mode for a really long time, while the old one stuttered but was at least somewhat watchable when laggy.
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Shine (1-2) vs Dream (1-2) Map: Daybreak
0:00 Shine spawns in the top right Dream spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Shine CC first for Dream pool for Shine rax for Dream
3:00 gas for Dream drones and scvs
4:00 factory for Dream reactor for Dream
5:00 3rd CC for Dream in his main 2nd gas for Dream 2nd Factory for Dream
6:00 reactored hellion production started for Dream 3rd base started for Shine ling speed started for Shine evo chamber for Shine
7:00 Blue flame research started for Dream triple hellion production for Dream 2nd evo for Shine spinecrawler for Shine 2 more gas for Shine double ebay for Dream
8:00 1-1 ling upgrades started for Shine 1-1 bio started for Dream overlord scouts double factory Lair started for Shine Dream tries to drive into the natural the lings hold back the hellions long enough for queens to block stim research started for Dream Roach warren started for Shine
9:00 baneling nest started for Shine starport started for Shine 3 more rax for Dream armory started for Dream spire started for Shine Dream floating out his 3rd OC
10:00 baneling speed started for Shine siege tank and siege mode research started for Dream missile turrets going up for Dream ling runby to the 3rd is cleaned up by blue flame hellions macro hatch for Shine 2-2 started for Shine
11:00 2-2 started for Dream muta production started for Shine 4th base started for Shine hellions pick off some slow banes for free on the map
12:00 concussive shells started for Dream combat shields started for Dream burrow research started for Shine mutas are revealed as they chase away hellions Dream putting up some more missile turrets double medivac production underway for Dream
13:00 infestation pit on the way for Shine +1 vehicle weapons started for Dream Sensor tower going up for Dream pathogen glands started for Shine overlord speed research started for shine
14:00 4th CC started for Dream baneling bomb kills a few marines on the watchtower Hive started for Shine drop at the 4th of Shine
15:00 large ling baneling attack at the 3rd of Dream Dream has tanks and a bunker so Shine backs off drop at the 4th of Shine is cleaned up 5th base started for shine Dream is chasing the army of Shine and picking off some of the banelings as they lag behind
16:00 Dream lands his 4th CC drop in the main of Shine Shine attacks the army of Dream but Dream gets a siege and good positioning 3-3 started for Dream 3-3 started for Shine greater spire started for Shine Dream kills the 5th of Shine 5th CC on the way for Dream
17:00 Shine is counterattacking to the 4th of Dream Dream's reinforcements chase Shine away 3 more starports on the way for Dream corruptor production started for Shine mutas are falling to missile turrets and marines and they fly through the center of the map
18:00 another CC started for Dream Dream cleaning up creep Shine comes in for an attack Dream is unsieged and fungals hit a lot of the army small marine attack at the 4th of Shine Brood lords started for Shine
19:00 3 CCs on the way for Dream +2 vehicle weapons started for Dream 5th base restarted for Shine PF started at the 5th of Dream drop in the main of Shine +1 flier attack started for shine
20:00 5 broods are out with 2 more on the way Dream attacking at the 5th of Shine brood lords push Dream back marauder production for Dream viking and raven production started for Dream
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Shine (1-2) vs Dream (1-2) Map: Daybreak
0:00 Shine spawns in the top right Dream spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Shine CC first for Dream pool for Shine rax for Dream
3:00 gas for Dream drones and scvs
4:00 factory for Dream reactor for Dream
5:00 3rd CC for Dream in his main 2nd gas for Dream 2nd Factory for Dream
6:00 reactored hellion production started for Dream 3rd base started for Shine ling speed started for Shine evo chamber for Shine
7:00 Blue flame research started for Dream triple hellion production for Dream 2nd evo for Shine spinecrawler for Shine 2 more gas for Shine double ebay for Dream
8:00 1-1 ling upgrades started for Shine 1-1 bio started for Dream overlord scouts double factory Lair started for Shine Dream tries to drive into the natural the lings hold back the hellions long enough for queens to block stim research started for Dream Roach warren started for Shine
9:00 baneling nest started for Shine starport started for Shine 3 more rax for Dream armory started for Dream spire started for Shine Dream floating out his 3rd OC
10:00 baneling speed started for Shine siege tank and siege mode research started for Dream missile turrets going up for Dream ling runby to the 3rd is cleaned up by blue flame hellions macro hatch for Shine 2-2 started for Shine
11:00 2-2 started for Dream muta production started for Shine 4th base started for Shine hellions pick off some slow banes for free on the map
12:00 concussive shells started for Dream combat shields started for Dream burrow research started for Shine mutas are revealed as they chase away hellions Dream putting up some more missile turrets double medivac production underway for Dream
13:00 infestation pit on the way for Shine +1 vehicle weapons started for Dream Sensor tower going up for Dream pathogen glands started for Shine overlord speed research started for shine
14:00 4th CC started for Dream baneling bomb kills a few marines on the watchtower Hive started for Shine drop at the 4th of Shine
15:00 large ling baneling attack at the 3rd of Dream Dream has tanks and a bunker so Shine backs off drop at the 4th of Shine is cleaned up 5th base started for shine Dream is chasing the army of Shine and picking off some of the banelings as they lag behind
16:00 Dream lands his 4th CC drop in the main of Shine Shine attacks the army of Dream but Dream gets a siege and good positioning 3-3 started for Dream 3-3 started for Shine greater spire started for Shine Dream kills the 5th of Shine 5th CC on the way for Dream
17:00 Shine is counterattacking to the 4th of Dream Dream's reinforcements chase Shine away 3 more starports on the way for Dream corruptor production started for Shine mutas are falling to missile turrets and marines and they fly through the center of the map
18:00 another CC started for Dream Dream cleaning up creep Shine comes in for an attack Dream is unsieged and fungals hit a lot of the army small marine attack at the 4th of Shine Brood lords started for Shine
19:00 3 CCs on the way for Dream +2 vehicle weapons started for Dream 5th base restarted for Shine PF started at the 5th of Dream drop in the main of Shine +1 flier attack started for shine
20:00 5 broods are out with 2 more on the way Dream attacking at the 5th of Shine brood lords push Dream back marauder production for Dream viking and raven production started for Dream
21:00 Dream sets up a defensive position at his 4th Shine starts to move forward with his army brood lords are sieging up the army
22:00 Shine runs forward with fungals and banelings Dream is losing a lot Dream is able to hold on more banelings are morphing for Shine more vikings are ravens are being built
23:00 Dream's army is under constant brood lord attack more lings and banes run in autoturrets are dropped Ravens are being killed by corruptors Dream is 50 supply down the PF at Dream's 4th is killed Ultralisk cavern started for Shine banelings morphing near the 5th of Dream
24:00 banelings roll into the 5th base mineral line and kill a couple of mules Shine is pushing into the natural of Dream vikings are being killed as they spawns Shine is 60 supply up now Marines are trying to get under the brood lords but reinforcement lings show up
25:00 ultralisk production started for Shine lings are getting into the main of Dream to camp the rax Dream is able to hold in his main for now Dream just ggs! Dream falls to 1-3 Shine improves to 2-2!
He had 3 ports right, but really didn't build enough out of them. And his Ravens did nothing. It's like everything he build out of them was 30 seconds late. I dunno, bit weird. Good game tho.
I'm at 16' in the game on HQ stream when it it goes buffer mode one more time then just black screen when I refresh So I got to SQ... black... SQ Free... and it's 26' in the game and I just see the GG fuck...
On January 07 2013 21:40 Goibon wrote: He had 3 ports right, but really didn't build enough out of them. And his Ravens did nothing. It's like everything he build out of them was 30 seconds late. I dunno, bit weird. Good game tho.
Built tech labs and ravens instead of vikings. Right idea, but didn't have the time for the ravens to build up energy.
It would/will be so hard to balance late-game between zerg and terran. If the armies are equally strong, terran would be so imba in late-game. Perfect vision, no-scv economy & map-hack.
Just woke up, sounds like Shine has to have Squirtle win to advance. This is interesting considering Shine had to play games in U/D matches before that had no meaning for him personally, but they got other plays to advance through.
On January 07 2013 21:42 m0ck wrote: It would/will be so hard to balance late-game between zerg and terran. If the armies are equally strong, terran would be so imba in late-game. Perfect vision, no-scv economy & map-hack.
But zerg can also rebuild much faster. So even if it is even army trade, zerg has its own advantages.
On January 07 2013 21:42 X3GoldDot wrote: zerg goes 2-2, top 2 are toss n terran, qq begins after zerg wins, typical forum days
I didn't watch the games but Shine is an unknown teamless player whereas TaeJa has been the best terran in the summer of 2012 and Squirtle was the top toss of the early to mid 2012...
So it's kinda expected to see them do well compared to Shine.
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B TaeJa (3-0) vs Squirtle (3-0) Map: Whirlwind
0:00 TaeJa spawns in the bottom right Squirtle spawns in the top left
1:40 rax first for TaeJa
2:00 Nexus first for Squirtle gateway for Squirtle
3:00 CC for TaeJa on the low ground gas for Squirtle Cybernetics core for Squirtle 2nd gate for Squirtle
4:00 zealot for Squirtle 3rd CC for TaeJa inside his main bunker for TaeJa at his natural ramp stalker for Squirtle
5:00 another stalker for Squirtle 2 more rax for TaeJa 2nd gas for Squirtle double gas for TaeJa 3rd gate for Squirtle
6:00 forge for Squirtle Twilight council for Squirtle 2nd bunker for TaeJa 3 more gates for Squirtle +1 armor started for Squirtle Stim research started for TaeJa 2 more bunker for TaeJa
7:00 charge research started for Squirtle Factory started for TaeJa TaeJa going up to 5 bunkers because he saw the 4th gateway with his scan Squirtle sees all of the bunkers
8:00 forward pylon going down for Squirtle double ebay started for TaeJa Starport started for TaeJa Marauders being mixed in for TaeJa now 1-1 started for TaeJa
9:00 2 more rax for TaeJa Squirtle is warping in more units preparing to attack missile turret going up for TaeJa at his wall Squirtle goes in for the attack
10:00 scvs are ready to repair first 2 bunkers fall zealots rae breaking into the scvs first 2 medivacs are out 2 bunkers survive and squirtle has to back off taeja rebuilding bunkers Squirtle coming in for round 2 armory started for TaeJa TaeJa holds easily Squirtle ggs! Squirtle falls to 3-1 TaeJa improves to 4-0 and clinches code S! Squirtle and TaeJa are advancing to Code S
On January 07 2013 21:48 Tsubbi wrote: squirtle misreads this as a 7 gate allin, his eco is gonna be weak to hold the acutal chargelot archon allin later
On January 07 2013 21:50 TheDwf wrote: This was beyond stupid from Squirtle. :/
Actually it doesn't matter, squirtle probably just testing a build he'd wanted to try all along. He was already in Code S, if he loses Taeja gets code S too, so why not? It's not like there was anything for him to lose.
On January 07 2013 21:44 stuchiu wrote: Just woke up, sounds like Shine has to have Squirtle win to advance. This is interesting considering Shine had to play games in U/D matches before that had no meaning for him personally, but they got other plays to advance through.
no luck for Shine. At least he still has the wild card to shoot for
On January 07 2013 21:44 stuchiu wrote: Just woke up, sounds like Shine has to have Squirtle win to advance. This is interesting considering Shine had to play games in U/D matches before that had no meaning for him personally, but they got other plays to advance through.
no luck for Shine. At least he still has the wild card to shoot for
Not over quite yet, looking at the rest of the matches, looks like Shine has to beat Taeja and he needs Squirtle to beat Trap. If Trap beats Squirtle, then he also needs Dream to beat Happy to make it a 3 way tie. So he still needs an assist here.
On January 07 2013 21:53 Goibon wrote: It was as YOLO as SC2 games get.
Laughed at this so much. That was what I think Squirtle was going for, just trying out a crazy build, even after seeing the 5 bunkers he just went for it anyway, cause YOLO!!!
On January 07 2013 21:44 stuchiu wrote: Just woke up, sounds like Shine has to have Squirtle win to advance. This is interesting considering Shine had to play games in U/D matches before that had no meaning for him personally, but they got other plays to advance through.
no luck for Shine. At least he still has the wild card to shoot for
Not over quite yet, looking at the rest of the matches, looks like Shine has to beat Taeja and he needs Squirtle to beat Trap. If Trap beats Squirtle, then he also needs Dream to beat Happy to make it a 3 way tie. So he still needs an assist here.
If that happens... >.> I can't miss the first day of class lol
On January 07 2013 21:44 stuchiu wrote: Just woke up, sounds like Shine has to have Squirtle win to advance. This is interesting considering Shine had to play games in U/D matches before that had no meaning for him personally, but they got other plays to advance through.
no luck for Shine. At least he still has the wild card to shoot for
Not over quite yet, looking at the rest of the matches, looks like Shine has to beat Taeja and he needs Squirtle to beat Trap. If Trap beats Squirtle, then he also needs Dream to beat Happy to make it a 3 way tie. So he still needs an assist here.
If that happens... >.> I can't miss the first day of class lol
At least it isn't Sting, you know he would be going for the three way tie and then playing the maximum amount of tie breakers to get into Code S.
I don't listen when they talk about the permutations for these groups. I prefer not to think. It's probably not as confusing as i suspect it is, but it's confusing enough that i switch off instantly and start browsing the interwebs.
but either happy and dream won against trap, so i think this game is useless. edit: im talking about trap chances to go to wild cards, as i see it is 0%
EDIT: I'm so glad my boy (Taeja) already made it through. All this fuckin' theoretical tie-breaker scenario math is too much for me. Went through enough of it last night waiting for MC to get out of his group (which he thankfully did!).
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Happy (1-3) vs Dream (1-3) Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Happy spawns in the bottom left Dream spawns in the top right
1:40 gas first for Happy rax first for Dream
2:00 rax for Happy
3:00 factory for Happy tech lab for Happy double gas for Dream
4:00 I didnt realize but the factory and rax were proxied in Happy's 3rd proxy starport on the tech lab in Happy's 3rd CC for Dream inside his main Factory for Dream
5:00 banshee started for Happy 2nd gas for Happy CC for Happy on the low ground
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Happy (1-3) vs Dream (1-3) Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Happy spawns in the bottom left Dream spawns in the top right
1:40 gas first for Happy rax first for Dream
2:00 rax for Happy
3:00 factory for Happy tech lab for Happy double gas for Dream
4:00 I didnt realize but the factory and rax were proxied in Happy's 3rd proxy starport on the tech lab in Happy's 3rd CC for Dream inside his main Factory for Dream
5:00 banshee started for Happy 2nd gas for Happy CC for Happy on the low ground
6:00 hellion for Happy Starport for Dream viking for Happy marines of Dream are waiting inside his mineral line hellion for Dream viking flies into the main of Dream and starts kiting marines viking started for Dream
7:00 3rd gas for Happy siege tank production started or Happy viking meets up with Happy's banshee 5 marines were killed by the banshee Happy backs off 2nd viking for Dream 3rd CC started for Dream inside his mian Dream lands his 2nd OC in the natural
8:00 Happy is 10 supply ahead Happy making another viking Dream making a 3rd viking siege mode research started for Happy 2 more rax started for Dream double hellion production started for Dream
9:00 medivac production started for Dream Dream has the viking lead they both trade 1 viking Marines and tanks hitting the CC of Dream from the low ground Dream has to cancel his 3rd CC stim research started for Dream marauder production started for Dream 3rd CC started for Happy
10:00 3rd CC restarted for Dream in a different part of his main Dream comes out and attacks the small army of Happy with a marine marauder hellion force reinforcements come in for Happy and clean up the army of Dream 3 more rax for Happy
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Happy (1-3) vs Dream (1-3) Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Happy spawns in the bottom left Dream spawns in the top right
1:40 gas first for Happy rax first for Dream
2:00 rax for Happy
3:00 factory for Happy tech lab for Happy double gas for Dream
4:00 I didnt realize but the factory and rax were proxied in Happy's 3rd proxy starport on the tech lab in Happy's 3rd CC for Dream inside his main Factory for Dream
5:00 banshee started for Happy 2nd gas for Happy CC for Happy on the low ground
6:00 hellion for Happy Starport for Dream viking for Happy marines of Dream are waiting inside his mineral line hellion for Dream viking flies into the main of Dream and starts kiting marines viking started for Dream
7:00 3rd gas for Happy siege tank production started or Happy viking meets up with Happy's banshee 5 marines were killed by the banshee Happy backs off 2nd viking for Dream 3rd CC started for Dream inside his mian Dream lands his 2nd OC in the natural
8:00 Happy is 10 supply ahead Happy making another viking Dream making a 3rd viking siege mode research started for Happy 2 more rax started for Dream double hellion production started for Dream
9:00 medivac production started for Dream Dream has the viking lead they both trade 1 viking Marines and tanks hitting the CC of Dream from the low ground Dream has to cancel his 3rd CC stim research started for Dream marauder production started for Dream 3rd CC started for Happy
10:00 3rd CC restarted for Dream in a different part of his main Dream comes out and attacks the small army of Happy with a marine marauder hellion force reinforcements come in for Happy and clean up the army of Dream 3 more rax for Happy
11:00 double ebay started for Dream in range of Happy's banshee both ebays have to be canceled banshee is up to 10 kills marine tank force of Happy pushing towards the main of Dream
12:00 Happy sieges up the natural of Dream stim research and combat shields started for Happy 1-1 started for Happy Dream lands some marines on the low ground and pulls all his scvs to clean up the force of Happy 15 workers have been killed
13:00 armory started for Happy Happy is 20 workers ahead 2nd factory started for Happy Dream finally lands his 3rd base double ebay started for Dream sensor towers going up for Happy Happy moves home as he sees Dream trying to move out
14:00 Dream throws away his hellions 1-1 started for Dream double medivac production started for Happy Happy is holding the watchtower 4th CC started for Happy at the center base location 2-2 started for Happy
15:00 siege mode research started for Dream siege tank production started for Dream 2nd factory started for Dream Dream comes out to fight Happy Happy sieges up Dream's army is crushed Dream ggs Dream falls to 1-4 and is eliminated Happy improves to 2-3!
On January 07 2013 22:16 Killmouse wrote: what happenend???
Wolf/Khaldor banter talking about if Squirtle's bored. Wolf says I think he is, Khaldor says he isn't. Then player cam moves to Squirtle and we so the most bored face ever on a sc2 stream.
On January 07 2013 22:16 Killmouse wrote: what happenend???
Wolf/Khaldor banter talking about if Squirtle's bored. Wolf says I think he is, Khaldor says he isn't. Then player cam moves to Squirtle and we so the most bored face ever on a sc2 stream.
On January 07 2013 22:16 Killmouse wrote: what happenend???
Wolf/Khaldor banter talking about if Squirtle's bored. Wolf says I think he is, Khaldor says he isn't. Then player cam moves to Squirtle and we so the most bored face ever on a sc2 stream.
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Trap (1-3) vs Squirtle (3-1) Map: Bel'shir Vestige
0:00 Trap spawns in the bottom right Squirtle spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for Squirtle gateway first for Trap
2:00 gas for Trap gas for Squirtle cybernetics core for Trap cybernetics core for Squirtle 2nd gas for Trap
3:00 2nd gas for Squirtle zealot for Squirtle 2nd gate for Trap stalker started for Squirtle stalker for Trap
4:00 sentry for Squirtle Twilight council for Trap Robo for Squirtle 2 more stalkers for Trap 2nd gate for Squirtle
5:00 2nd sentry for Squirtle 3rd gate for Trap Blink research started for Trap immortal started for Squirtle
6:00 observer for Squirtle nexus for Squirtle forward pylon going down for Trap Trap sees the nexus Squirtle sees the forward pylon
7:00 Squirtle has an immortal out and 3 sentries Squirtle moves up his ramp Trap starts shooting the nexus Nexus is cancelled Twilight council started for Squirtle 2nd immortal on the way for Squirtle another gate for Squirtle
8:00 warp prism started for Squirtle nexus started for Trap robo started for Trap blink started for Squirtle 2 immortals loaded into the warp prism
9:00 Trap forcefields Squirtle's ramp and backs off Warp prism goes back into Squirtle's main Squirtle kills the forward pylon of Trap Squirtle moving across the map immortal production started for Trap
10:00 warp prism flies into the main of Trap 2 zealots in Trap's main Squirtle pushes into the natural both players put down forcefields Squirtle is pushing through Squirtle is up 10 supply
GSL S1 2013 Up & Down Matches Group B Trap (1-3) vs Squirtle (3-1) Map: Bel'shir Vestige
0:00 Trap spawns in the bottom right Squirtle spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for Squirtle gateway first for Trap
2:00 gas for Trap gas for Squirtle cybernetics core for Trap cybernetics core for Squirtle 2nd gas for Trap
3:00 2nd gas for Squirtle zealot for Squirtle 2nd gate for Trap stalker started for Squirtle stalker for Trap
4:00 sentry for Squirtle Twilight council for Trap Robo for Squirtle 2 more stalkers for Trap 2nd gate for Squirtle
5:00 2nd sentry for Squirtle 3rd gate for Trap Blink research started for Trap immortal started for Squirtle
6:00 observer for Squirtle nexus for Squirtle forward pylon going down for Trap Trap sees the nexus Squirtle sees the forward pylon
7:00 Squirtle has an immortal out and 3 sentries Squirtle moves up his ramp Trap starts shooting the nexus Nexus is cancelled Twilight council started for Squirtle 2nd immortal on the way for Squirtle another gate for Squirtle
8:00 warp prism started for Squirtle nexus started for Trap robo started for Trap blink started for Squirtle 2 immortals loaded into the warp prism
9:00 Trap forcefields Squirtle's ramp and backs off Warp prism goes back into Squirtle's main Squirtle kills the forward pylon of Trap Squirtle moving across the map immortal production started for Trap
10:00 warp prism flies into the main of Trap 2 zealots in Trap's main Squirtle pushes into the natural both players put down forcefields Squirtle is pushing through Squirtle is up 10 supply
11:00 the nexus is losing a lot of health Trap has to back up to his main the nexus is killed Squirtle is long distance mining from his natural Trap forcefields his main ramp 3rd immortal coming out for Trap
12:00 Trap is severely supply blocked Trap is out of sentries zealot runby from Trap towards Squirtle's base nexus for Squirtle zealots in squirtle's main killing probes
13:00 squirtle warps in zealots to defend observer for Squirtle Squirtle sends a few stalkers home to clean up the zealot warp ins Trap comes down his ramp Squirtle segments the army with forcefield
14:00 4th immortal on the way for Trap Squirtle cleans up the proxy pylons of Trap Squirtle just forcefielding Trap's ramp
15:00 Trap is trying to come down the ramp Squirtle loses his immortals Trap still has 4 immortals Trap tries to blink some stalkers out the side of his base but he has a spotter Squirtle just blinks into Trap's main and kills everything Trap ggs! Trap falls to 1-4! Squirtle improves to 4-1! Shine clinches the wild card spot!
On January 07 2013 22:27 blacksheepwall wrote: Squirtle looks annoyed that they even bothered making him get in the booth for that.
It's a tough position for him. The match doesn't matter for him but he decides the fate of Shine and Happy. It could be likely that he knows both players and it is just awkward.
On January 07 2013 22:27 blacksheepwall wrote: Squirtle looks annoyed that they even bothered making him get in the booth for that.
It's a tough position for him. The match doesn't matter for him but he decides the fate of Shine and Happy. It could be likely that he knows both players and it is just awkward.
A group format with 6 players virtually always has these awkward scenario's. They should at least put a prize per won game or make it matter more if you end up first or second etc.
On January 07 2013 22:27 blacksheepwall wrote: Squirtle looks annoyed that they even bothered making him get in the booth for that.
It's a tough position for him. The match doesn't matter for him but he decides the fate of Shine and Happy. It could be likely that he knows both players and it is just awkward.
A group format with 6 players virtually always has these awkward scenario's. They should at least put a prize per won game or make it matter more if you end up first or second etc.
Yeah, placement should always have some more incentive than simply advancing with this kind of format.
On January 07 2013 22:27 blacksheepwall wrote: Squirtle looks annoyed that they even bothered making him get in the booth for that.
It's a tough position for him. The match doesn't matter for him but he decides the fate of Shine and Happy. It could be likely that he knows both players and it is just awkward.
A group format with 6 players virtually always has these awkward scenario's. They should at least put a prize per won game or make it matter more if you end up first or second etc.
Yeah, placement should always have some more incentive than simply advancing with this kind of format.
Well, to be fair. What incentive can they give. If it is prize money, they would have to give it to players that made it via Ro24 since it would be weird if you can earn money in U&D but not if you get straight through. And groups in Code S are in the 'tier' system and then randomized. Not sure whether you can give players a seeding advantage either.
On January 08 2013 00:09 foxj wrote: Why last game of Shine - Taeja didn't played ? >_<
The result of the game didn't matter so they didnt play it. If Shine had one, he stands alone in 3rd with a 3-2 map score. If Shine had lost he would be tied with Happy at 2-3 but he beat Happy head to head so he finishes 3rd either way.
The recommended games section in these U/D threads is always so shit. Anyone have a list of the top 2-3 games from today? Personal opinion is fine, just would like to see which, if any, were worth watching.
On January 08 2013 01:29 Mortal wrote: The recommended games section in these U/D threads is always so shit. Anyone have a list of the top 2-3 games from today? Personal opinion is fine, just would like to see which, if any, were worth watching.
I would recommend the Happy vs Trap game. Not because it was an epic game or anything. And both sides had some sloppiness. But Happy had a very interesting strategy.
That Squirtle vs Dream game was sick! Such a well played contain. Too bad Shine vs Taeja wasn't played, that could've been a great match I think. I like these results, the top 3 I wanted in the order I wanted.
On January 08 2013 02:03 Yhamm wrote: "his opponent, at the top left, he's a little bored here, he is.. StarTale_Squirtle" "I'm not really sure if he's bored"
On January 07 2013 23:26 vthree wrote: Hmmm... I wonder why no one is complaining that Happy was screwed by the h2h system...
I don't think he was screwed just by the h2h system, but rather by the overall format... if he got to face Shine last and on Antiga Shipyard instead of first and on Whirlwind then that would be so much better for him. The fact that there are such arbitrary instances of luck says a lot, especially when it can't be mitigated by things like map vetoes and a Bo3 loser picks next map.
Bo1 round robins leads to a lot of dependency on map luck and this format really isn't too good. It's unfortunate... especially since Happy doesn't really have enough fans to argue his case for him as compared to Flash. =[
On January 08 2013 02:47 Gorlin wrote: That Squirtle vs Dream game was sick! Such a well played contain. Too bad Shine vs Taeja wasn't played, that could've been a great match I think. I like these results, the top 3 I wanted in the order I wanted.
Yeap. Was eager to see does Taeja has anything new up his sleeves for TvZ after a long break.
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Really enjoyed yesterday's matches and today won't be any different! Up&Downs get more crazy every season :D
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