When: Wednesday, Jan 02 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
Premier Division Group A is made up of four teams: StarTale, Evil Geniuses, FXO, and Prime. Group B contains LG-IM, MVP, Team Liquid, and Karont3. Both groups will play round robin against each other team in their group. When group stages are over, the top two teams from each Group will play in a playoff for the $9,000 first prize!
FXO asd Choya GuMiho JKS Leenock Lucky Sirius TheBest Tree Weekend kAsyu Tear Supreme VoidRay Whale Kong
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
Today's games will be commentated by Kevin Knocke and Kibbelz!
NOTE: We have changed the naming schema for this season of IPTL. We will now be naming our seasons by year (though I know you were all excited for IPTL XXVI). This will be IPTL 2013 Season 1.
Really wanna see a lot of games from Gumiho, preferably against Jaedong, Suppy and Thorzain.
Thinking 5-2 to FXO, EG (like all teams) will have troubles with Gumiho/Leenock, so it kinda depends on when they get sent out. Tear and KINGCHOYA might score a kill or three as well!
*edit* "Group B contains LG-IM, MVP, Team Liquid, and Karont3"
On January 03 2013 06:10 DJHelium wrote: Really wanna see a lot of games from Gumiho, preferably against Jaedong, Suppy and Thorzain.
Thinking 5-2 to FXO, EG (like all teams) will have troubles with Gumiho/Leenock, so it kinda depends on when they get sent out. Tear and KINGCHOYA might score a kill or three as well!
*edit* "Group B contains LG-IM, MVP, Team Liquid, and Karont3"
I read this as 2 teams and a player, lol.
Well, the last two teams also basically consist of just two players in team leagues, so it's only fair if LGIM gets to play just MVP and no one else.
The map pool seems a little dated. 9 maps is abit much but there is also Zero daring ones. I guess it is too soon to add the new Blizzard Ladder maps but i do feel something should have been done to make it more appealing.
All of the Ladder Six is present. Little dissapointing.
On January 03 2013 07:49 Ruscour wrote: I can't even begin to fathom why EG is favoured here.
Choya > Jaedong.
It's not like FXO have done well in team leagues before. Oh wait.....
Yeah, FXO continue to be overlooked completely despite winning the last two GSTLs.
But to be fair, they don't really seem to take the online team leagues teams anywhere near as seriously. Or rather, they do, but they put a heavy emphasis on giving their B-teamers practice. Anything's possible!
This match is reminding me on how ridiculous it is that Leenock didn't get any TL awards actually. He lacks the GSL title I guess, but Leenock was wrecking face the whole year.
How is this unexpected? Can't remember a ZvP where Jaedong won.
Focus on proleague without ever meeting a P there. EG getting him his better match-ups (to their credit) but it's not unreasonable that it has a reflection on the matchup you don't really invest training in.
Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Okay, okay, I misread and thought you were solely referring to TvZ, because EG is fucked anyway if they rely on that. If at all, they'll have to ZvZ him out or hope that he plays a random nydus build against JYP and JYP spots it. :D
As I don't think they'll win, it doesn't really matter on which map they play Leenock, and looking at Puma's shape, I think he needs all the advantages he can get through somewhat Terran favoured maps to get any kind of win.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
I've been wondering about that. He was a strong Code S Zerg, but suddenly fell out of the scene for some reason.
On January 03 2013 09:34 DODswe4 wrote: wonder how many kills Lucky can get, PuMa is hard to know how good he is now (obviously not terrible) but he have lost quite easily before imo
Lucky and Puma both haven't really done anything major for months.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
I've been wondering about that. He was a strong Code S Zerg, but suddenly fell out of the scene for some reason.
He lost to vines back when vines was relevant then just kind of failed to make it back after that I guess people figured out his love for base racing and all ins.
It's not a good sign for a player if he loses to PuMa right now, and then in a ZvT even.
Strange times.
Btw, those games were definitely played on the 14th, this checks out with the one win and one loss I saw in Choyas match history, no clue what the other results are. Just keep watching the IGN VLC player, guys. ^_^
On January 03 2013 09:45 Noocta wrote: Damnit Lucky, what kind of game plan is that ? Maxout on Ling roach and attack into late infestor and die ? This isn't ZvP you fool :<
He was trying to emulate HyuN vs INoVation on the same map, but forgot the Banelings and Infestors.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
On January 03 2013 09:47 Sumadin wrote: Wonder if FXO will get serrious now and send out Gumiho or Leenock. I don't think they can let this get out of hand.
Tear could clean up the rest of EG, he's the Code B Bonjwa.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Well, BL/Infestor became popularized, and Roach busts was popular for a time, so he was a harbinger of the future.
On January 03 2013 09:45 Noocta wrote: Damnit Lucky, what kind of game plan is that ? Maxout on Ling roach and attack into late infestor and die ? This isn't ZvP you fool :<
He was trying to emulate HyuN vs INoVation on the same map, but forgot the Banelings and Infestors.
HyuN attacks quite earlier in his own build Puma had very late tanks, like 6 medivacs before starting the techlab on factory, and still had 2 tanks with siege up. That's not supposed to happen :/
On January 03 2013 09:47 Sumadin wrote: Wonder if FXO will get serrious now and send out Gumiho or Leenock. I don't think they can let this get out of hand.
Tear could clean up the rest of EG, he's the Code B Bonjwa.
I wonder if yonghwa simply swapped soul with tear to condemn him to a life of code B greatness.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Well, BL/Infestor became popularized, and Roach busts was popular for a time, so he was a harbinger of the future.
True, but I did not like his playstyle. He did not display good micro or positioning or consistent decision-making.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Well, BL/Infestor became popularized, and Roach busts was popular for a time, so he was a harbinger of the future.
True, but I did not like his playstyle. He did not display good micro or positioning or consistent decision-making.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
Not to forget Mvp ghosts games happend quite early after that, so people weren't already mad at the zerg composition
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Well, BL/Infestor became popularized, and Roach busts was popular for a time, so he was a harbinger of the future.
True, but I did not like his playstyle. He did not display good micro or positioning or consistent decision-making.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Well, BL/Infestor became popularized, and Roach busts was popular for a time, so he was a harbinger of the future.
True, but I did not like his playstyle. He did not display good micro or positioning or consistent decision-making.
He had that one crazy base trade game against Mvp I think, where he had an almost purely air army with corrupor/brood lord and walked spine crawlers around, that was fun. Nowadays he'd get terrible hate for it, most likely.
On January 03 2013 09:24 Noocta wrote: Blowing Antiga for a TvP feel like a very bad idea to me... You only have very few chances of beating Leenock, don't waste the main anti zerg map in the pool like that
You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
Not to forget Mvp ghosts games happend quite early after that, so people weren't already mad at the zerg composition
I think it happened before then. Wasn't Blizzcon in October 2011?
On January 03 2013 09:25 StarVe wrote: [quote] You can always 2rax on Entombed.
From who ? Thorzain ? lol
Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
Not to forget Mvp ghosts games happend quite early after that, so people weren't already mad at the zerg composition
I think it happened before then. Wasn't Blizzcon in October 2011?
I think so, people really saw Lucky's BL/Infestor in Assembly, which was in Feb 2012.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
Not to forget Mvp ghosts games happend quite early after that, so people weren't already mad at the zerg composition
I think it happened before then. Wasn't Blizzcon in October 2011?
I think so, people really saw Lucky's BL/Infestor in Assembly, which was in Feb 2012.
He had that match against MVP where MVP actually ended up backdooring lucky with siege tanks vs his brood/infestor.
I mostly remember that series for teaching me the entombed valley bunker rush position.
On January 03 2013 10:03 StarVe wrote: Tear is one of the best players if not the best who never qualified for GSL.
With yonghwa making it I believe he now holds that honour either tear or hero[join], seems to be a protoss thing to be a code B bonjwa you don't hear of any zerg/terran code B bonjwas.
On January 03 2013 09:29 jmbthirteen wrote: [quote] Puma all kill, duh.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
Not to forget Mvp ghosts games happend quite early after that, so people weren't already mad at the zerg composition
I think it happened before then. Wasn't Blizzcon in October 2011?
I think so, people really saw Lucky's BL/Infestor in Assembly, which was in Feb 2012.
He had that match against MVP where MVP actually ended up backdooring lucky with siege tanks vs his brood/infestor.
I mostly remember that series for teaching me the entombed valley bunker rush position.
On January 03 2013 10:03 StarVe wrote: Tear is one of the best players if not the best who never qualified for GSL.
With yonghwa making it I believe he now holds that honour either tear or hero[join], seems to be a protoss thing to be a code B bonjwa you don't hear of any zerg/terran code B bonjwas.
Well, we'll see. Was saying that assuming Choya won. :d
edit : damn, Lucky. That guy fall of the scene so hard this year. I still remember him in IPL3 finals
I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
Not to forget Mvp ghosts games happend quite early after that, so people weren't already mad at the zerg composition
I think it happened before then. Wasn't Blizzcon in October 2011?
I think so, people really saw Lucky's BL/Infestor in Assembly, which was in Feb 2012.
He had that match against MVP where MVP actually ended up backdooring lucky with siege tanks vs his brood/infestor.
I mostly remember that series for teaching me the entombed valley bunker rush position.
On January 03 2013 10:03 StarVe wrote: Tear is one of the best players if not the best who never qualified for GSL.
With yonghwa making it I believe he now holds that honour either tear or hero[join], seems to be a protoss thing to be a code B bonjwa you don't hear of any zerg/terran code B bonjwas.
since DRG anyways
Forgot about DRG feels like forever since DRG and TheStc for some reason always failed to make code A but there's definitely many more protoss code bonjwas than there have been terran/zerg code bonjwas.
On January 03 2013 10:03 StarVe wrote: Tear is one of the best players if not the best who never qualified for GSL.
With yonghwa making it I believe he now holds that honour either tear or hero[join], seems to be a protoss thing to be a code B bonjwa you don't hear of any zerg/terran code B bonjwas.
And herO will stay there for a while, Artosis cursed him!
On January 03 2013 09:37 Fusilero wrote: [quote] I remember the like 2 months where lucky was considered a contender for one of the best zergs. Oh how did that fall apart quickly.
Damn, those were sad times. Dude just abused fast 3 base broodlord/infestor and roach busts.
Back when fast broodlord/infestor made you a mad man rather than an average zerg.
Not on maps like Terminus and Antiga Shipyard. Terrans complained that they could not read the fast tech or break the infestor line at the junction between the three bases. I believe the pre-BL timing attacks started to originate during this time period and once terrans learned they could outmacro the strategy as well, it died out.
Not to forget Mvp ghosts games happend quite early after that, so people weren't already mad at the zerg composition
I think it happened before then. Wasn't Blizzcon in October 2011?
I think so, people really saw Lucky's BL/Infestor in Assembly, which was in Feb 2012.
He had that match against MVP where MVP actually ended up backdooring lucky with siege tanks vs his brood/infestor.
I mostly remember that series for teaching me the entombed valley bunker rush position.
On January 03 2013 10:03 StarVe wrote: Tear is one of the best players if not the best who never qualified for GSL.
With yonghwa making it I believe he now holds that honour either tear or hero[join], seems to be a protoss thing to be a code B bonjwa you don't hear of any zerg/terran code B bonjwas.
since DRG anyways
Forgot about DRG feels like forever since DRG and TheStc for some reason always failed to make code A but there's definitely many more protoss code bonjwas than there have been terran/zerg code bonjwas.
Who was there, really, apart from Yonghwa? Seed eventually got in, you can list him, but who else? I can't actually remember.
On January 03 2013 10:20 StarVe wrote: I miss the old mouz team league hit squad of Thorzain, Morrow, Mana and Hasu.
I'd be so much more emotionally invested if they were playing, with EGThorzain I'm just kind of impartial, because I also like Tear.
The 4 man win every foreign tournament hit squad was so awesome, I guess acer kind of has that thing going with naarchio, bly, scarlett and MMA/Paranoid.
Awful observing. Made it even more anticlimactic than it was, there was actually engagement on Thorzains fourth for like 10 seconds while they watched dark templars.
On January 03 2013 10:20 StarVe wrote: I miss the old mouz team league hit squad of Thorzain, Morrow, Mana and Hasu.
I'd be so much more emotionally invested if they were playing, with EGThorzain I'm just kind of impartial, because I also like Tear.
The 4 man win every foreign tournament hit squad was so awesome, I guess acer kind of has that thing going with naarchio, bly, scarlett and MMA/Paranoid.
Not the same magic when they field 4 zergs instead of a mixed roster. A lot less personnality in the player themselves too
On January 03 2013 10:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: So I missed the Choya vs Jaedong match, but has Jaedong's ZvP really not improved much at all or did Choya play better than normal?
Games were played three weeks ago, so it was standard Jaedong. Not all that good, Choya played decently, with warp prisms and zealot/DT warpins, but Jaedong tried weird attacks that didn't work at all and set him behind pretty early on.
No Stephano then. Don't remember if he was doing something near the 14th december.. HSC I think ? I don't know
Revival is good ( and it's killing my heart that he's not on TSL anymore ) but I don't see him winning the whole thing for EG Damn actually, Revival is the first true player that I like that get to be EG. That's so conflicting to me
On January 03 2013 10:35 Noocta wrote: No Stephano then. Don't remember if he was doing something near the 14th december.. HSC I think ? I don't know
Revival is good ( and it's killing my heart that he's not on TSL anymore ) but I don't see him winning the whole thing for EG Damn actually, Revival is the first true player that I like that get to be EG. That's so conflicting to me
transfer your affection on another TSL z. Or even better. On a TSL T.
On January 03 2013 10:35 Noocta wrote: No Stephano then. Don't remember if he was doing something near the 14th december.. HSC I think ? I don't know
Revival is good ( and it's killing my heart that he's not on TSL anymore ) but I don't see him winning the whole thing for EG Damn actually, Revival is the first true player that I like that get to be EG. That's so conflicting to me
transfer your affection on another TSL z. Or even better. On a TSL T.
I'm already liking Center a lot. But TSL without Polt and Revival make me scared for their teamleagues. =(
I wish Shine can actually start raising a bit more actually
On January 03 2013 10:35 Noocta wrote: No Stephano then. Don't remember if he was doing something near the 14th december.. HSC I think ? I don't know
Revival is good ( and it's killing my heart that he's not on TSL anymore ) but I don't see him winning the whole thing for EG Damn actually, Revival is the first true player that I like that get to be EG. That's so conflicting to me
transfer your affection on another TSL z. Or even better. On a TSL T.
I'm already liking Center a lot. But TSL without Polt and Revival make me scared for their teamleagues. =(
I wish Shine can actually start raising a bit more actually
If Center can improve, he can fill the Terran void TSL needs, though he might never reach his level. Besides, Polt was never the most important team league player (Symbol and HyuN were far better) and was utilized as a sniper just as Center will be used as. RagnaroK has potential, he just needs to take more focus and learn from HyuN and Symbol.
On January 03 2013 10:35 Noocta wrote: No Stephano then. Don't remember if he was doing something near the 14th december.. HSC I think ? I don't know
Revival is good ( and it's killing my heart that he's not on TSL anymore ) but I don't see him winning the whole thing for EG Damn actually, Revival is the first true player that I like that get to be EG. That's so conflicting to me
transfer your affection on another TSL z. Or even better. On a TSL T.
I'm already liking Center a lot. But TSL without Polt and Revival make me scared for their teamleagues. =(
I wish Shine can actually start raising a bit more actually
for an all kill format they're still pretty good (hyun/symbol + good b teamers, like FXO a bit :p). And yeah i love minipolt he's not shiny but doesn't do many mistakes.
Tear is so good but always seems to get nervous. I hope he can control his nerves and finally qualify for code A, since he's better than most code A players already.
FXO ist so good in Team Leagues. Leenock and GuMiho are the aces with Tear being the solid toss who always gets a couple of kills and then a couple of b teamers to snipe.
On January 03 2013 10:59 Zambrah wrote: Wow, Leenock falls, and Revival looks really strong. I have really high hopes for EG-TL in Proleague Round 2 now!
Oh yeah! Revival should be a nice addition to EG-TL .
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Leenock won 2 MLG this year too. And let's be honest, Leenock is basicly a GSL champion, everyone has forgot Jjakji beside me and the other terrans fans in this thread
On January 03 2013 11:01 Dodgin wrote: It seems like Revival was a good investment for EG, instead of losing to Choya he beats Tear and Leenock.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Noocta wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Leenock won 2 MLG this year too. And let's be honest, Leenock is basicly a GSL champion, everyone has forgot Jjakji beside me and the other terrans fans in this thread
Providence was in 2011, and no he's not basically a GSL champion, you don't get to be basically a GSL champion unless you actually win. Leenock has a problem with throwing away good chances at winning a GSL, not winning Season 5 is still mind boggling to me.
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
ok, but if anything, they are equal. It just seems wrong to say that one is the best when the two of them look so dominant... (with Sniper and DRG behing them, i guess.)
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Well according to the stalking actions of some people earlier in this thread this was likely played around 14th Dec., so before Blizzard cup. At that point you might still be able to make a case for Leenock despite most people accepting Life as superior. Kibbilies does not seem very knowledgeable about the scene or the game so it is not really that surprising if he calls a top3-top2 zerg a top1 zerg.
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
ok, but if anything, they are equal. It just seems wrong to say that one is the best when the two of them look so dominant... (with Sniper and DRG behing them, i guess.)
Yeeeaah but none like Sniper. Let's keep Leenock and Life.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Dodgin wrote: It seems like Revival was a good investment for EG, instead of losing to Choya he beats Tear and Leenock.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Noocta wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Leenock won 2 MLG this year too. And let's be honest, Leenock is basicly a GSL champion, everyone has forgot Jjakji beside me and the other terrans fans in this thread
Providence was in 2011, and no he's not basically a GSL champion, you don't get to be basically a GSL champion unless you actually win. Leenock has a problem with throwing away good chances at winning a GSL, not winning Season 5 is still mind boggling to me.
Leenockvember is over, so Leenock proceeds to slump.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Dodgin wrote: It seems like Revival was a good investment for EG, instead of losing to Choya he beats Tear and Leenock.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Noocta wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Leenock won 2 MLG this year too. And let's be honest, Leenock is basicly a GSL champion, everyone has forgot Jjakji beside me and the other terrans fans in this thread
NO! Jjakji and his GSL Finals will NEVER be forgotten...and he will come back someday...TT
On January 03 2013 11:01 Dodgin wrote: It seems like Revival was a good investment for EG, instead of losing to Choya he beats Tear and Leenock.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Noocta wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Leenock won 2 MLG this year too. And let's be honest, Leenock is basicly a GSL champion, everyone has forgot Jjakji beside me and the other terrans fans in this thread
On January 03 2013 11:01 Dodgin wrote: It seems like Revival was a good investment for EG, instead of losing to Choya he beats Tear and Leenock.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Noocta wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Leenock won 2 MLG this year too. And let's be honest, Leenock is basicly a GSL champion, everyone has forgot Jjakji beside me and the other terrans fans in this thread
NO! Jjakji and his GSL Finals will NEVER be forgotten...and he will come back someday...TT
On January 03 2013 11:01 Dodgin wrote: It seems like Revival was a good investment for EG, instead of losing to Choya he beats Tear and Leenock.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Noocta wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Leenock won 2 MLG this year too. And let's be honest, Leenock is basicly a GSL champion, everyone has forgot Jjakji beside me and the other terrans fans in this thread
NO! Jjakji and his GSL Finals will NEVER be forgotten...and he will come back someday...TT
On January 03 2013 11:01 Dodgin wrote: It seems like Revival was a good investment for EG, instead of losing to Choya he beats Tear and Leenock.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Noocta wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Leenock won 2 MLG this year too. And let's be honest, Leenock is basicly a GSL champion, everyone has forgot Jjakji beside me and the other terrans fans in this thread
On January 03 2013 11:22 projagrasak wrote: Sorry for asking this question here, but i am a new member and its important for me to know this, but i cann't make new topic for the next 3 days cuz i register a sec ago. So if u help me i would be very grateful.
I want to buy sc2 from some guy who already activated cd key on his account, probably a long time ago. So he just said to me that i give him email which i want for my account and he is gonna trasfer his account to my email and later i set my pw..
I am not sure about this, i mean can he get his acc back some time in the future from blizzard support. He can make recovery account form, like someone hacked his acc or whatever (account is on his name so he can upload his ID, he also said that he doesnt have CD? if he is lieing he can upload image of original sc cd, and so many other things...) He's got all the proofs that acc is his. So i am wondering if is there anything i can do now before i buy it, and could i contact blizard to ask them to change the acc owner in my name, if they even allow transfering acc owners ? So i would like to know, if this is good idea, what can i do if i am buying this to ensure my future acc. Thank u very much and sorry for being boring.
Don't buy it, go buy the digital or physical copy. Simply said, also this really isn't the place for this, so if you can spoiler tag and refrain in the future that'd be nice. :-D
On January 03 2013 11:22 projagrasak wrote: Sorry for asking this question here, but i am a new member and its important for me to know this, but i cann't make new topic for the next 3 days cuz i register a sec ago. So if u help me i would be very grateful.
I want to buy sc2 from some guy who already activated cd key on his account, probably a long time ago. So he just said to me that i give him email which i want for my account and he is gonna trasfer his account to my email and later i set my pw..
I am not sure about this, i mean can he get his acc back some time in the future from blizzard support. He can make recovery account form, like someone hacked his acc or whatever (account is on his name so he can upload his ID, he also said that he doesnt have CD? if he is lieing he can upload image of original sc cd, and so many other things...) He's got all the proofs that acc is his. So i am wondering if is there anything i can do now before i buy it, and could i contact blizard to ask them to change the acc owner in my name, if they even allow transfering acc owners ? So i would like to know, if this is good idea, what can i do if i am buying this to ensure my future acc. Thank u very much and sorry for being boring.
yes he could do that. And why in the world would you buy the game like SC2 off some random dude??? The game is pretty damn cheap atm.
Wow, Revival took out Tear, Leenock, and Gumiho with his own bare hands?! You don't see that happening too often :O It's not unheard of for just one of those players to beat entire teams
On January 03 2013 11:27 slowbacontron wrote: Wow, Revival took out Tear, Leenock, and Gumiho with his own bare hands?! You don't see that happening too often :O It's not unheard of for just one of those players to beat entire teams
Well, FXO was on a break and Revival has been playing all the time due to proleague so not rly surprising
On January 03 2013 10:41 NoGasfOu wrote: EG wins the poll every time but loses the match every single time. What a surprise.
Yeah sure thing.
I can't tell what annoys me more. People who call the match before it's actually over or people who love doing the quoting after it's all over and do the oh so reminiscent of the "I told you so..." Then again, I'm not your significant other so... oh wells. haha.
On January 03 2013 09:21 SoSexy wrote: Idra reverse all kill. Calling it.
IdrA doesn't play WoL anymore
Considering he never really enjoyed the game in the first place. It's a good decision. He jumped right into the beta of WoL and heck getting a leg up is never a bad idea unless you're doing really really well.
On January 03 2013 11:32 EtherealDeath wrote: Looks like EG.... got revived
Not a bad pick-up. Not your usual suspects with PuMa taking a few and Rev coming up the rear.
On January 03 2013 11:29 decado90 wrote: Can someone name a single Terran that consistently wins TvZ?
None can consistently do it, but they can have streak of brillance sometimes. ( see Polt and Bomber at IPL5 )
Not a terran or zerg, so really asking.
Is it because to beat the top zergs, terrans need to be a little gimmicky? Like... I see MKP and Bomber doing these insanely greedy builds and while by conventional knowledge it's dumb because it makes you susceptible to all-ins if you keep on doing them, yet all the solid and standard terran players haven't even had any success to begin with. It makes sense to me since doing this kind of thing allows you go to far, but just not win.
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Dodgin wrote: It seems like Revival was a good investment for EG, instead of losing to Choya he beats Tear and Leenock.
On January 03 2013 11:01 Noocta wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:00 Walnuts wrote: uhhhh kibbels... "best zerg in the world"... is life. and he played well, not good.
It's hard to tell really between those two :p
I get my Gumiho Revival match atleast. I hope Gumiho win.
It's not hard to tell, one of them is a two time GSL champion ( and very recent wins ) and the other is not.
I mean this is assuming that GSL > all other tournaments which I think most people would agree with, although IPL5 does mean a lot considering how stacked it was.
Leenock won 2 MLG this year too. And let's be honest, Leenock is basicly a GSL champion, everyone has forgot Jjakji beside me and the other terrans fans in this thread
Jjakji may have been a one hit wonder, but he still has more GSL titles than Leenock :p
And there is no almost when it comes to GSL titles, you either become a champion or you fall short. That being said, Leenock is certainly a very impressive GSL finalist :p
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
Right...
Muta ling bane or ultras never win games.
You do it because it's easy.
Still nothing wrong with that...an easier strategy has a greater chance to win, and therefore is the better one for a pro to choose.
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
Right...
Muta ling bane or ultras never win games.
You do it because it's easy.
Still nothing wrong with that...an easier strategy has a greater chance to win, and therefore is the better one for a pro to choose.
true, and i think no one blames revival or any other zerg for choosing it. but at the same time, you cant blame me as a fan for being sick of it.
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
Right...
Muta ling bane or ultras never win games.
You do it because it's easy.
Still nothing wrong with that...an easier strategy has a greater chance to win, and therefore is the better one for a pro to choose.
true, and i think no one blames revival or any other zerg for choosing it. but at the same time, you cant blame me as a fan for being sick of it.
I won't disagree there. 2013's another year, though. Let's see what it brings us!
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
Right...
Muta ling bane or ultras never win games.
You do it because it's easy.
Still nothing wrong with that...an easier strategy has a greater chance to win, and therefore is the better one for a pro to choose.
true, and i think no one blames revival or any other zerg for choosing it. but at the same time, you cant blame me as a fan for being sick of it.
I think everyone is sick of it honestly. I am sick of all deathball syndroms. I was sick of the toss deathball before and now I am terribly sick with the zerg one. I more or less stopped playing because as a zerg its incredibly boring to feel the need to either go all in or turtle into this silly comp.. since I have no hope in ever being a top player winning isnt worth it when the comp you play is boring as fuck. This is balance aside, even if it was balanced vs the other races, its still boring as fuck to play aslong as its by far the best lategame comp we have.
And again, playing a toss deathball is just as boring, it just isnt as strong anymore but no way is it harder to control or more fun.
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
Right...
Muta ling bane or ultras never win games.
You do it because it's easy.
Not if the Terran is just as good as you
And terrans can't beat zergs with BL/infestor as long as the zerg is as good as them. Don't you see a problem with that?
Can anyone tell me when the big tournaments switch over to HOTS? Do I have to wait until release? I've been playing HOTS like mad and regular SC2 kinda bores me now.
On January 03 2013 14:02 thepuppyassassin wrote: Can anyone tell me when the big tournaments switch over to HOTS? Do I have to wait until release? I've been playing HOTS like mad and regular SC2 kinda bores me now.
I don't think any major tournaments will switch til HOTS is out.
On January 03 2013 14:02 thepuppyassassin wrote: Can anyone tell me when the big tournaments switch over to HOTS? Do I have to wait until release? I've been playing HOTS like mad and regular SC2 kinda bores me now.
I don't think any major tournaments will switch til HOTS is out.
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
Right...
Muta ling bane or ultras never win games.
You do it because it's easy.
Not if the Terran is just as good as you
And terrans can't beat zergs with BL/infestor as long as the zerg is as good as them. Don't you see a problem with that?
thus, blatantly nerfing infestors and broods without a buff to other units will basically bring us back to early 2011 where T >>>>Z, except this time P will > Z as well
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
Right...
Muta ling bane or ultras never win games.
You do it because it's easy.
Muta/Ling/Bane and Ultras would never work if Terran weren't expecting fast BL/Infestors. They're metagaming builds.
On January 03 2013 14:02 thepuppyassassin wrote: Can anyone tell me when the big tournaments switch over to HOTS? Do I have to wait until release? I've been playing HOTS like mad and regular SC2 kinda bores me now.
On January 03 2013 11:24 Black Gun wrote: bl infestor into gg.... meh. gratz to revival and eg i guess....
The way he got there was pretty interesting, I thought.
true, but im still so fed up of seeing this "i win"-composition. there should absolutely be no composition in the game that is as close to unbeatable while at the same so "easily" accessible as bl/infestor. (something like 15 bcs + 15 vikings + 15 ravens or a max out on carriers is probably equally strong, but less accessible by several magnitudes..)
im just so sick of seeing terrans play a really good game, being in the lead and then losing without having any actual fighting chance nonetheless, simply because they couldnt prevent the zerg from reaching his money composition.
revivals performance today was great anyway, beating gumiho is still no easy feat as is beating tear and leenock.
Believe it or not most zergs don't like doing it either. But if we want to win games we have to.
Right...
Muta ling bane or ultras never win games.
You do it because it's easy.
Not if the Terran is just as good as you
And terrans can't beat zergs with BL/infestor as long as the zerg is as good as them. Don't you see a problem with that?
Nobody said it wasn't a problem. It is, zergs deathball needs to be nerfed and zerg needs to be buffed in other areas to compensate otherwise terran and protoss would just crush zerg like good ol 2010/11.
That is the reason I even stopped playing wol is I hated making that composition.
On January 03 2013 17:52 BlackPanther wrote: Nice! Revival is finally showing some good results. Good job by Puma as well! I was getting worried about him after his poor performances in PL.
this was before his most recent proleague games iirc
EPT
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