On December 24 2012 12:35 JBright wrote: Could someone report the OP so the mods can add "R1" to the end of the title? It got left out when I copy/pasted it over.
On December 24 2012 12:35 JBright wrote: Could someone report the OP so the mods can add "R1" to the end of the title? It got left out when I copy/pasted it over.
Really too bad that Reality drew Rain, since (much as I love Roro - he is my captain) Reality is probably the best player on KHAN right now. If that hadn't happened, I could see this going to ace, but I'm pretty sure that SKT has this one.
Fantasy > Stork Sacsri < TurN Rain > Reality Bisu < RorO BeSt > JangBi n.Die_soO > JuNi
On December 24 2012 13:12 Dodgin wrote: Is there a reason you're not including the links to the Korean stream(s) in the OP?
I don't think these matches are broadcasted on OGN so the normal links won't work. If someone posted the correct Korean stream links, I will add them to the OP.
Man my FPL for this round is shot to absolute shit with sHy wrecking on my anti and half of my team being pretty mediocre. *sigh* Samsung let me down ;_;
On December 24 2012 13:12 Dodgin wrote: Is there a reason you're not including the links to the Korean stream(s) in the OP?
I don't think these matches are broadcasted on OGN so the normal links won't work. If someone posted the correct Korean stream links, I will add them to the OP.
oh right, sorry. I forgot these are no longer the weekend matches.
On December 24 2012 13:14 Meteora.GB wrote: Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu why does it have to be so late for pacific timers? -_-;;
every sc2 match ever would be easy to watch if I was PST instead of EST -_-. This isn't just late for us, it's bordering on "early" - I considered setting an alarm and waking up to watch the end of this, then CJ/KT. Then I realized how ridiculous that sounded, and said "screw it, I'll watch the korean VODs on youtube".
On December 24 2012 13:14 Meteora.GB wrote: Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu why does it have to be so late for pacific timers? -_-;;
every sc2 match ever would be easy to watch if I was PST instead of EST -_-. This isn't just late for us, it's bordering on "early" - I considered setting an alarm and waking up to watch the end of this, then CJ/KT. Then I realized how ridiculous that sounded, and said "screw it, I'll watch the korean VODs on youtube".
Yeah I suppose. I'm normally on the nothion that its easier for people in PST to watch than in EST but some people said that its easier for EST for some reason. I dunno, lol.
That's probably in the best interest of SKT anyway, since Bisu was probably going to lose and RorO was probably going to win. I feel bad for the Handsome Toss though.
On December 24 2012 15:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Bisu fielded... only to play RorO x.x
That's probably in the best interest of SKT anyway, since Bisu was probably going to lose and RorO was probably going to win. I feel bad for the Handsome Toss though.
Hoping that SKT takes it before the ace match.
All bisu did was lose a PvP this season. Not sure why people think Roro is a bad draw. Especially since zerg is always best for Bisu.
On December 24 2012 15:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Bisu fielded... only to play RorO x.x
That's probably in the best interest of SKT anyway, since Bisu was probably going to lose and RorO was probably going to win. I feel bad for the Handsome Toss though.
Hoping that SKT takes it before the ace match.
All bisu did was lose a PvP this season. Not sure why people think Roro is a bad draw. Especially since zerg is always best for Bisu.
Overall, Bisu hasn't been doing nearly as hot as RorO:
Even with Bisu having a small sample size of games and having great PvZ in BW, I'd say RorO is a clear favorite for this match. I don't think he's adjusted as well as Flash or Jaedong or Fantasy or some of the other players that were worse than him in BW.
On December 24 2012 15:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Bisu fielded... only to play RorO x.x
That's probably in the best interest of SKT anyway, since Bisu was probably going to lose and RorO was probably going to win. I feel bad for the Handsome Toss though.
Hoping that SKT takes it before the ace match.
All bisu did was lose a PvP this season. Not sure why people think Roro is a bad draw. Especially since zerg is always best for Bisu.
I would say that the only Zerg that I have a confidence in Bisu is EfforT...
fielding bisu against roro is kinda good for skt, cuz if bisu still sucks as bad as before, then roro get's wasted on their weakest player, and i don't see how samsug is gonna wine a lot of the other games. Stork is gonna crash and burn against fantasy i feel. Reality, who looked kinda decent has to play rain, so he won't score. Jangbi get's a pvp but best looked pretty good so far.... so i really don't see how samsung is gonna score points.
Well stork couldn't deal with harass on 3 bases, but made up for it with good stalker control and colossus protection. Good to see that the Dinotoss still has a little in him.
On December 24 2012 17:30 n3gative wrote: this english cast is horrific
oh please tell me, why, I'm dying to know or are you one of those guys who really thinks that telling someone bad is helping him improve
Bro, being passive aggressive won't make them get it, they'll just be angry or ignore you, if you're gonna say something like that, atleast be blunt about it.
The DT's won the game, no doubt about it, fantazy was simply not prepared to the prism harass, even though I have to comment about the great positioning and control of the DT's by stork, puting the prism on the high ground and sending the 1st 2 away from the base, made it so that fantazy had no chance to discover it until he was attacked at 3 places at once. But Stork is on my anti so
On December 24 2012 17:30 n3gative wrote: this english cast is horrific
oh please tell me, why, I'm dying to know or are you one of those guys who really thinks that telling someone bad is helping him improve
Bro, being passive aggressive won't make them get it, they'll just be angry or ignore you, if you're gonna say something like that, atleast be blunt about it.
Happy to see stork win, I miss his interviews ;;
well fine, I think non constructive criticism should be a bannable offense.
On December 24 2012 17:24 Aerisky wrote: FUCK YES STORK!!
Just buildin' up that lead ^_^ so happy.
has it been a month already?
WB!
It hasn't! Turns out I overestimated my workload hehe~ but yeah thanks.
Great to see Stork win though. For some reason I think the map is pretty interesting and it definitely reminds much more of kespa BW maps rather than the GSL/MLG/etc SC2 maps, and in a good way. It's not a very good map of course, but I like watching players play on it haha.
On December 24 2012 17:24 Aerisky wrote: FUCK YES STORK!!
Just buildin' up that lead ^_^ so happy.
has it been a month already?
WB!
It hasn't! Turns out I overestimated my workload hehe~ but yeah thanks.
Great to see Stork win though. For some reason I think the map is pretty interesting and it definitely reminds much more of kespa BW maps rather than the GSL/MLG/etc SC2 maps, and in a good way. It's not a very good map of course, but I like watching players play on it haha.
On December 24 2012 17:35 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Am i the only one around here who thinks the cast is ok?!?
nope, fine for me
Its okay. Not the best cast, not very good either. But less annoying than having Moletrap cast for me (there's something about high pitch voices that irks me).
I wouldn't have them casting Proleague, but I suppose it could be worse.
On December 24 2012 17:35 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Am i the only one around here who thinks the cast is ok?!?
nope, fine for me
Its okay. Not the best cast, not very good either. But less annoying than having Moletrap cast for me (there's something about high pitch voices that irks me).
I wouldn't have them casting Proleague, but I suppose it could be worse.
Or Doa.. Or the worst possible combo, Doa and Moletrap... I much prefer these two to them :/... although I miss Sayle most of all.
On December 24 2012 17:42 Wolfswood wrote: I'm torn on this studio...
on the one hand I appreciate the intimacy, the shots of the players and fans and such feel candid and organic, kind of like Homestory
but on the other hand it just doesn't feel epic like PL should
I'm sure if HOTS does really well in Korea and they actually get a decent amount of people turning up they will make somewhere that looks a bit more epic.
On December 24 2012 17:35 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Am i the only one around here who thinks the cast is ok?!?
nope, fine for me
Its okay. Not the best cast, not very good either. But less annoying than having Moletrap cast for me (there's something about high pitch voices that irks me).
I wouldn't have them casting Proleague, but I suppose it could be worse.
Or Doa.. Or the worst possible combo, Doa and Moletrap... I much prefer these two to them :/... although I miss Sayle most of all.
I think Doa is fine depending on who he's casting with. I wouldn't have both of them as a casting team. Anyways hopefully they get better as time goes on.
On December 24 2012 17:35 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Am i the only one around here who thinks the cast is ok?!?
nope, fine for me
Its okay. Not the best cast, not very good either. But less annoying than having Moletrap cast for me (there's something about high pitch voices that irks me).
I wouldn't have them casting Proleague, but I suppose it could be worse.
Or Doa.. Or the worst possible combo, Doa and Moletrap... I much prefer these two to them :/... although I miss Sayle most of all.
WHAT?!? Doa is an excellent caster!! How can you even compare him to moletrap?
On December 24 2012 17:30 n3gative wrote: this english cast is horrific
oh please tell me, why, I'm dying to know or are you one of those guys who really thinks that telling someone bad is helping him improve
Bro, being passive aggressive won't make them get it, they'll just be angry or ignore you, if you're gonna say something like that, atleast be blunt about it.
Happy to see stork win, I miss his interviews ;;
well fine, I think non constructive criticism should be a bannable offense.
I'm the same, but insulting people while telling em what to do will usually get'em angry at your and not be like "oh, okay I should probally do that".
Doa has gotten so much better since he started doing the GSL, like most improved caster of all time.
I think Whiplash is also going to improve. He has a good amount of knowledge and he speaks clearly, so it's really just a matter of getting a rhythm with SNM. Give them time.
I don't get it, when Korean casters do the harmonized "GG", I get excited, but when these guys do it I cringe...maybe I'm just racist Anyway, funny game by Turn...still hoping for a Khan victory.
EDIT: And it's not a hell-ee-ahn, for heavens' sake
TurN sometimes makes himself look like an utter genius and outright insane at other times.
On December 24 2012 17:52 mierin wrote: I don't get it, when Korean casters do the harmonized "GG", I get excited, but when these guys do it I cringe...maybe I'm just racist Anyway, funny game by Turn...still hoping for a Khan victory.
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
i spose so, it's winter in KR?
19 degrees Fahrenheit in Seoul right now.
could you please use a unit one outside the US can understand
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
i spose so, it's winter in KR?
19 degrees Fahrenheit in Seoul right now.
could you please use a unit one outside the US can understand
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
i spose so, it's winter in KR?
19 degrees Fahrenheit in Seoul right now.
could you please use a unit one outside the US can understand
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
i spose so, it's winter in KR?
19 degrees Fahrenheit in Seoul right now.
could you please use a unit one outside the US can understand
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
i spose so, it's winter in KR?
19 degrees Fahrenheit in Seoul right now.
could you please use a unit one outside the US can understand
On December 24 2012 17:59 Byo wrote: is it humid in korea in general? cuz -7 isnt' that bad, at least not bad enough for coats indoors
From watching many vods i think it does not really matter, as i saw many times when 1 guy was wearing tshirt and other guy was stuffed like he was in antarctica. Kinda normal Proleague stuff.
I know winters are cold in Korea, but I don't understand why they're always dressed like this indoors, at GSL too. Is there no heating in these places?
On December 24 2012 18:03 sitromit wrote: I know winters are cold in Korea, but I don't understand why they're always dressed like this indoors, at GSL too. Is there no heating in these places?
I don't know how is it there, but in China there is no heating usually indoors, since they use air conditioner more often during the humid summers.
On December 24 2012 18:03 sitromit wrote: I know winters are cold in Korea, but I don't understand why they're always dressed like this indoors, at GSL too. Is there no heating in these places?
Well it is a studio and they generally have high ceilings so it will be really expensive to constantly heat that place up. Plus, there is a fair amount of heat generated from all the lighting, people, and electronics everywhere.
On December 24 2012 18:03 sitromit wrote: I know winters are cold in Korea, but I don't understand why they're always dressed like this indoors, at GSL too. Is there no heating in these places?
Heating is actually less common in Korea than in many other places. It is not something you find everywhere in Korea.
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
i spose so, it's winter in KR?
19 degrees Fahrenheit in Seoul right now.
could you please use a unit one outside the US can understand
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
i spose so, it's winter in KR?
19 degrees Fahrenheit in Seoul right now.
could you please use a unit one outside the US can understand
On December 24 2012 17:53 JoeCool wrote: Stupid question, is it cold in there? Just asking because the coaches/managers whatever are all wearing jackets.
i spose so, it's winter in KR?
19 degrees Fahrenheit in Seoul right now.
could you please use a unit one outside the US can understand
Even people in the US know how to convert between temperature measurement units, believe it or not.
On December 24 2012 18:14 forsooth wrote: I sure do love games where nobody does anything until they hit 200/200.
Yeah, they are so interesting.
I think this just proves maps need to rotate more often, eventually players become so familiar with a map they can optimize their strategy and defend until max so easily. Plus the layout is very friendly to the protoss for defending his third base against aggression. It's also nearly impossible to drop once you get some cannons set up behind the minerals at your natural, there's no deadspace to fly into the main from that angle and you can cover the other air entrance from your third with scouting pylons.
who are the commentators? they predicted that protoss would have won the engagement lol.... And the about the upgrades, the protoss could have caught up on upgrades with chronos...
They need to bring commentators who are better able to predict outcomes like Wolf or Artosis OR funny ones like Husky....
On December 24 2012 18:16 Laryleprakon wrote: Why attack before your 3/3 and as your making more cc's to get rid of workers :/
Reality really wanted to force an engagement before Rain had storm and while they still were even on upgrades, which is a fine plan when Terran is already maxed. The problem is that Rain's 3/3 finished like 5s into the battle and he had better position anyways.
On December 24 2012 18:16 Dodgin wrote: 3/3 finished 5 or 6 seconds into the battle, whew, close.
Yeah that could've looked way different if these hadn't kicked in.
Rain would have probably just blocked ramp then
He should have yeah. Not sure why he didn't, just to be even safer.
I didn't see very many sentries at all, just enough for one guardian shield?
I think he had like 3-5 unless I missed some of them dying. Maybe he was comfortable enough taking that fight even without 3/3 or knowing that it'd finish soon.
Rain is like... waaaaaaaaaaay better than me so I won't doubt him too much ^____^
On December 24 2012 18:34 dizzy101 wrote: What is the general opinion of these new Kespa maps? Is there a thread somewhere about that?
The consensus seems to be that they're horribly imba, but that they work well for PL and that they add some nice variety in gameplay
And a 2 base all in every game on this map
dunno if we watched the same map but PlanetS offers nice mix of positional plays, cheeses and macro games. Definitely not the kind that lures viewers to sleep like last game
one of the commentators does not know what he is talking about (the one with higher pitch), parting uses 3 immortals as well, and he said it is definitely not immortal all in lol
On December 24 2012 18:49 saroir wrote: take this bisu haters!
Well to be fair he should have lost but roro fucked up so hard lol. His first push got crushed so bad, I bet roro is kicking himself to losing a game he should have won easy peasy lemon squeezy after crushing that first push.
I don't understand anything that happened in that game. Bisu lost horrifically, then won somehow, then gave up with winning and finally came back to finish off winning.
On December 24 2012 18:52 BisuDagger wrote: Bisu is back baby!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! Take that antiteam for FPL-ers!!!!!! BISU #1 AGAIN!!!!!
On December 24 2012 18:51 imallinson wrote: I don't understand anything that happened in that game. Bisu lost horrifically, then won somehow, then gave up with winning and finally came back to finish off winning.
Roro only had 56 drones during Bisu's first attack. So he wasn't as far ahead as it looked. Afterwards, that forcefield trap pretty much evened it up.
That wasn't Bisu's first win in proleague with sc2, but it was his first win this season. This was only his second game that he actually got to play so he's 1-1 now.
On December 24 2012 18:51 imallinson wrote: I don't understand anything that happened in that game. Bisu lost horrifically, then won somehow, then gave up with winning and finally came back to finish off winning.
Roro only had 56 drones during Bisu's first attack. So he wasn't as far ahead as it looked. Afterwards, that forcefield trap pretty much evened it up.
56 drones is what you need to stop immortal/sentry all-in tho.
On December 24 2012 19:02 tj341 wrote: BeSt using a mouse from the stone age ~_~
Effort also still uses his mouse from BW, i guess they are just so used to it it's hard to get used to a new one.
lol my keyboard i currently use has like moss growing out of it. there is also a gigantic hole in the middle of my alt key from playing dota and holding it down to see life bars for 2-3 years everyday many hours a day
Cant decide what my favorite pro league moment so far is: Puma's epic proxy barracks fail or Bests 'I'm gonna A-move my probes into a bunch of zealots even when I have units nearby!' choke.
"BeSt" ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Was it just me or was his phoenix control appalling? Then there was his decision to just leave all of the probes to their destruction... Bisu with a funny sort of frown... {"He's not really learning this game at all, is he???" }
On December 24 2012 19:13 Tsutchie wrote: am i dreaming? is this some sort of alternate reality? bisu stork AND jangbi????? now i feel bad for doubting my protoss brothers...
Even as zerg it feels good to watch all my favorites bw protosses wins games :D
On December 24 2012 19:12 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I came late... Bisu won? YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH CHRISTMAS
Was it as beautiful as I imagine?
It was very ugly, spectacularly failed wonwonwon into roro donating 20 roaches before bisu closed it out with a 3 base double robo colossus push. Not the most convincing game, but at least bisu won a game for once
On December 24 2012 19:11 andaylin wrote: Jangbi, Stork, and Bisu all winning o.O
Darn I am so confused... well, good to see they're back in form I guess.
not sure... I did not see the Stork game, but JangBi and Bisu did not win because they outplayed their opponents >.<
Stork outplayed fanta, pretty much. He was 5-1 in PvT so i never guessed why people doubted stork, maybe because he played too much PvP lately which he is not that good with yet.
On December 24 2012 19:13 NHY wrote: BeSt playing like TheBest
lol seriously, that probe 1 a was legendary. The last two games have looked awful...no forcefield immortal push bisu into best trying to kill zealots with probes.
If either of them goes for 1 gate expand again I'm gonna be mad. It's like kespa protosses just decided that greed was ok in PvP. And then they die to anything that resembles early aggression. I could chrono 3 stalkers and win probably
On December 24 2012 19:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: If either of them goes for 1 gate expand again I'm gonna be mad. It's like kespa protosses just decided that greed was ok in PvP. And then they die to anything that resembles early aggression. I could chrono 3 stalkers and win probably
in the future I mean, I know that ZvZ is next
1 gate expand was as hard to hold in sc1 as it is in sc2 and yet they did it in both games
I dont know what is happening in practice games that they keep doing it.
Amazes me that January still has faith in Juni after 3-4 years of mediocre performances. Heck, I'd be that desperate that I would start sending Odin out by now.
On December 24 2012 19:39 Talin wrote: +5 from this match, I'm okay with that considering Fantasy lost (and a ton of people got him on the team).
A ton of people will have Bisu on their anti, hehe.
Terrible day for me considering i have mostly Samsung players but not Stork. And i also have Fantasy. :D So only points for Jangbi for me and basically nothing left. I don't have high hopes for this FPL round anymore but i do have hopes that they'll indeed reset the FPL after round 1 as R1CH said. Then i can finally ditch Samsung KHAN as my team, lol.
On December 24 2012 19:38 nomyx wrote: RIP in peace khan
Rest in Peace in peace?
yolo life once, man
what is this, lol
I recommend the Bisu game to anyone who wants to learn a) how not to immortal all in, b) how to immortal all in.
And the Jangbi/Best one for those who want to learn a) how not to expand in PvP ever, b) get away with greedy expand and just 4gate afterwards with warp prism anyway because why not, lol. And c) win because probes are mad
On December 24 2012 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote: Kinda hard to say what the bigger throw was though. Bisu/Roro or Jangbi/Best?
Best, easily. Roro messed up big time but none of it was as outright dumb as repeatedly trying to fight zealots with probes.
Yeah but... Roro lost after winning the game
But Best tried to fight zealots...with probes.
BeSt: "Kekeke, new meta bros. Save minerals by not building pylons, and instead getting rid of probes so I can have a bigger army...Oh wait, where's my minerals?"
On December 24 2012 20:26 ondik wrote: BISUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
how did he play btw?
pretty badly, he had the worst execution of an immortal all in I have ever seen, roro had crushed it easily but then Roro got all his roaches trapped later on and lost his whole army
From watching that game, there was no way you can tell it was played by the best multi tasker in BW... If Roro had enough corrupters to kill the colossi quickly, Bisu would have lost. He engaged Roro's army without 3 colossi, he didn't move them when corrupters were shooting them down from the right cliff. He let 7 roaches complete stop mining at his 3rd base. Let's hope this give him some motivation and he can improve quickly.
On December 25 2012 02:36 vthree wrote: From watching that game, there was no way you can tell it was played by the best multi tasker in BW... If Roro had enough corrupters to kill the colossi quickly, Bisu would have lost. He engaged Roro's army without 3 colossi, he didn't move them when corrupters were shooting them down from the right cliff. He let 7 roaches complete stop mining at his 3rd base. Let's hope this give him some motivation and he can improve quickly.
I do agree it seemed like his play was half assed. Maybe he is just trolling SC2 and still winning. Kind of sick right?
On December 25 2012 02:36 vthree wrote: From watching that game, there was no way you can tell it was played by the best multi tasker in BW... If Roro had enough corrupters to kill the colossi quickly, Bisu would have lost. He engaged Roro's army without 3 colossi, he didn't move them when corrupters were shooting them down from the right cliff. He let 7 roaches complete stop mining at his 3rd base. Let's hope this give him some motivation and he can improve quickly.
I do agree it seemed like his play was half assed. Maybe he is just trolling SC2 and still winning. Kind of sick right?
Well, Roro trolled harder by leaving his ling roach army in the middle of no where to get FF'ed. Granted, he probably didn't think Bisu would move out at that time. But there is still no reason to have roaches if you aren't going to attack with them. Running around with lings will give you the map vision and see the third base timing which is all you really need at that point. Whiffing on the fungals also didn't help.
Roro waited for Bisu to fully go attack mode on him so those roaches would start a base trade race... which means Roro was always behind in that game and wanted a possible base trade but Bisu didn't fall for it gg Anyway Bisu had the best PvZ in history so maybe Boxer needs to field him on Zerg maps and FEED BISU with those Zergs 8)
On December 25 2012 02:36 vthree wrote: From watching that game, there was no way you can tell it was played by the best multi tasker in BW... If Roro had enough corrupters to kill the colossi quickly, Bisu would have lost. He engaged Roro's army without 3 colossi, he didn't move them when corrupters were shooting them down from the right cliff. He let 7 roaches complete stop mining at his 3rd base. Let's hope this give him some motivation and he can improve quickly.
I do agree it seemed like his play was half assed. Maybe he is just trolling SC2 and still winning. Kind of sick right?
I dunno Protoss Micro/Multi-task in SCII is really different. Drops just aren't as devastating against zerg because protoss don't have the burst of reavers and storm to rely on. The Most you can do is warp prism and zealot warpin. :\