Now this should be good. Both Rain and Flash are among my favorite players, but I'm gonna have to root for Flash here. Going to be tough taking out Rain though.
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
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WHY did I click that fking spoiler, i thought it was going to be a meme or something
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
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WHY did I click that fking spoiler, i thought it was going to be a meme or something
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
Just because its already been spoiled doesn't mean its okay for you to spoil it...
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
Just because its already been spoiled doesn't mean its okay for you to spoil it...
He said it was spoiled and then put something in spoiler tags. What the fuck did you think was in the spoiler? Rainbows and Sunshines?
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
Just because its already been spoiled doesn't mean its okay for you to spoil it...
He said it was spoiled and then put something in spoiler tags. What the fuck did you think was in the spoiler? Rainbows and Sunshines?
i saw "I dont know what the score is" and then clicked the spoiler thing. yeh......
don't you think its better to not have it there then to have the chance of ruining it for others ?
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
Just because its already been spoiled doesn't mean its okay for you to spoil it...
He said it was spoiled and then put something in spoiler tags. What the fuck did you think was in the spoiler? Rainbows and Sunshines?
i saw "I dont know what the score is" and then clicked the spoiler thing. yeh......
don't you think its better to not have it there then to have the chance of ruining it for others ?
Kind of your own fault for clicking a spoiler without reading the entire post, no?
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
Just because its already been spoiled doesn't mean its okay for you to spoil it...
He said it was spoiled and then put something in spoiler tags. What the fuck did you think was in the spoiler? Rainbows and Sunshines?
i saw "I dont know what the score is" and then clicked the spoiler thing. yeh......
don't you think its better to not have it there then to have the chance of ruining it for others ?
you are really dumb enough to think that not knowing the score of a bo3 automatically means not knowing the winner? instead of, you know, what he said.
anyway OT, im pulling for Rain, Flash's time to be able to be a clear favorite here is later, not now.
Flash vs Rain? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME! HOLY FUCK I'M GLAD I CAN WATCH!! Rain might be my favorite player right now, but its friggin Flash. I say FLash wins this 3-2.
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
Just because its already been spoiled doesn't mean its okay for you to spoil it...
He said it was spoiled and then put something in spoiler tags. What the fuck did you think was in the spoiler? Rainbows and Sunshines?
i saw "I dont know what the score is" and then clicked the spoiler thing. yeh......
don't you think its better to not have it there then to have the chance of ruining it for others ?
Kind of your own fault for clicking a spoiler without reading the entire post, no?
Yes i should have read the whole post before clicking but you just shouldn't post that in here. On the off chance of pissing people off...
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
Just because its already been spoiled doesn't mean its okay for you to spoil it...
He said it was spoiled and then put something in spoiler tags. What the fuck did you think was in the spoiler? Rainbows and Sunshines?
i saw "I dont know what the score is" and then clicked the spoiler thing. yeh......
don't you think its better to not have it there then to have the chance of ruining it for others ?
Kind of your own fault for clicking a spoiler without reading the entire post, no?
Yes i should have read the whole post before clicking but you just shouldn't post that in here. On the off chance of pissing people off...
If someone is dumb enough to click a post that, in the context, clearly had an actual spoiler in the spoilers, then they kind of deserve to get spoiled and have no right to be pissed off at the poster. Now if he were to post something absurd like "GANGNAM STYLE PWNS!!11!" and then put "MKP wins MLG ToC 4-0 against Symbol" in the spoiler, spoiling the rest of the tournament, THEN you have the right to be pissed off. But in this context? No, nor does he deserve a ban like some are calling for.
Edited it out of my post for you KwarK
Bahahahahahah Haxx... oh man. Ouch, that got him a 30day. Remind me not to piss you off.
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
Just because its already been spoiled doesn't mean its okay for you to spoil it...
He said it was spoiled and then put something in spoiler tags. What the fuck did you think was in the spoiler? Rainbows and Sunshines?
i saw "I dont know what the score is" and then clicked the spoiler thing. yeh......
don't you think its better to not have it there then to have the chance of ruining it for others ?
Kind of your own fault for clicking a spoiler without reading the entire post, no?
Yes i should have read the whole post before clicking but you just shouldn't post that in here. On the off chance of pissing people off...
Yea, but also lets some people read it then decide if they want to watch or go do something else.
Just a nice option to have imo. He did put it in spoilers and said "results were spoiled
On December 14 2012 04:25 LighT. wrote: I dont know what the score is, however it's been spoiled already: + Show Spoiler +
Rain won and got 2nd in the tournament
but I'll watch it just because..Epic match up
Just because its already been spoiled doesn't mean its okay for you to spoil it...
He said it was spoiled and then put something in spoiler tags. What the fuck did you think was in the spoiler? Rainbows and Sunshines?
That's exactly what i was expecting, spoiler tag has been used throughout the forum for many other purposes. Like + Show Spoiler +
jk
Why would you not only spoil this match, also the final. + Show Spoiler +
I'm aware that you are not the one spoiling it, just speaking in a third person manner.
I admit it, It's my own damn fault for clicking a spoiler tag on a tournament thread. But couldn't you help out a fellow TL'er by double spoilering it? EDIT: F5 before you post DERP
Did people really post the actual spoiler in the thread? ROFL.... when I was asked the other day I just told them to google it. Poor people that were spoiled unintentionally. I like being spoiled sometimes though cause it makes me less nervous when watching my favorites lol... but only by choice!
Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
His name is "Flash" after all. Heh, heh I'm so funny I should be a stand-up comedian....
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
His name is "Flash" after all. Heh, heh I'm so funny I should be a stand-up comedian....
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
While that is true, don't forget that Flash won vs DRG :D
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
While that is true, don't forget that Flash won vs DRG :D
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
While that is true, don't forget that Flash won vs DRG :D
Lol Flash always loses to 1 base immortal all in when most terrans don't lose to it ~_~. Greedy Flash who doesn't really care about scouting in the first 10+ minutes ~
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
I don't understand why terrans still try to hold this in the natural, it's not possible, period. Doesn't matter if you make 5 bunkers. Just float back to main and chill. :/
On December 14 2012 08:43 EtherealDeath wrote: Lol Flash always loses to 1 base immortal all in when most terrans don't lose to it ~_~. Greedy Flash who doesn't really care about scouting in the first 10+ minutes ~
What? The last 30 times I've seen this and the protoss didn't get supply blocked at ~20, protoss won convincingly.
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
apm =/= mechanics
Yeah flash is awesome. but DRG at his peak was very impressive mechanically, although that's fallen off.
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
apm =/= mechanics
That's true. Flash's raw apm isn't even that high compared to that of other KeSPA pros, but his effective apm is one of the highest in the world. He is able to have great macro, great positioning, and decent multitasking with minimal spam.
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
On December 14 2012 08:43 EtherealDeath wrote: Lol Flash always loses to 1 base immortal all in when most terrans don't lose to it ~_~. Greedy Flash who doesn't really care about scouting in the first 10+ minutes ~
What? The last 30 times I've seen this and the protoss didn't get supply blocked at ~20, protoss won convincingly.
Lol what, did every pro terran turn into a no scouting triple cc blind type of player?
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
apm =/= mechanics
This.
When i say fast, you have to understand there is a huge difference between Raw APM and controlling things without mistakes/constantly being in steady control of multiple fronts.
You can be at 300+ APM just due to selection spamming and click spamming one army around and splitting, thats fast but not impressive.
Pulling one army back and microing that and jumping to micro the other back and forth and building stuff at home, that's much much more impressive even if ur APM count is lower.
As a protoss player i know how hard it is to react to a fast terran on two fronts on Day break and the truth is Rain reacted perfectly he just didn't have enough stuff, and his stalker positioning was not only instantaneous in response, it was also perfectly positioned, he never messed up, unfortunately he didn't have enough stuff in general, and flash just never over extended and despite the blistering pace, he never flew his medivacs too close or too far and his armies always zoned out so well, they are just both so impressive man, so fast and accurate with their control without breaking macro.
Still, we are starting to see that this game when played right is just as impressive as BW.
On December 14 2012 08:37 willyallthewei wrote: Jeez man flash is so fast... so freaking fast, I don't know that I've ever seen that level of multitasking in Sc2, the positioning/repositioning of flash and Rain while both not missing a beat in macro was just scary... Kespa players are talented man, they are just so fast...
I'm a kespa fan, but don't forget that DRG is 400+ apm
apm =/= mechanics
Best example => LGIMMvp
@Topic: Dont like these Immo/Sentry timings.
not really, Mvp's mechanics have fallen off recently, but he still pwn them nerds with sheer intellect
Guys stop arguing about IMMO sentry, its not that strong at all, it actually sucks if it wasn't for the fact that the new Kespa Terrans are coached improperly about it. YES YOU CAN HOLD A IMMO SENTRY W/ 3 ORBITAL builds....
Dear Terran players here is a 3 step guide to crushing immortal sentry.
1. Lift everything into your main. 2. mass mule in your main and get marine medivac. 3. retake your expansion being way ahead in economy and tech, and be ready to defend a 2 base Colossus timing.
If you try to hold your natural you WILL DIE.
If you make a million bunkers you WILL DIE.
if you try to make barracks infront of your bunkers and wall in and pull scvs you WILL DIE.
On December 14 2012 08:48 sharkie wrote: Immortal/Sentry needs to be used more often. Nothing I hate more than stupid greedy stuff like triple cc
Basically you want flash to retire.
You could throw a scan out at 6:20 between the main and the nat, just barely reaching the nat nexus to see the buildtime. I guess that violates the rule of 100% greed though.
On December 14 2012 08:43 EtherealDeath wrote: Lol Flash always loses to 1 base immortal all in when most terrans don't lose to it ~_~. Greedy Flash who doesn't really care about scouting in the first 10+ minutes ~
Yeah haha. Most of the games I've seen from Flash he's gone triple CC and delayed his tech a lot. Makes sense if you're as big of a macro player as he is.
On December 14 2012 08:51 willyallthewei wrote: Guys stop arguing about IMMO sentry, its not that strong at all, it actually sucks if it wasn't for the fact that the new Kespa Terrans are coached improperly about it. YES YOU CAN HOLD A IMMO SENTRY W/ 3 ORBITAL builds....
Dear Terran players here is a 3 step guide to crushing immortal sentry.
1. Lift everything into your main. 2. mass mule in your main and get marine medivac. 3. retake your expansion being way ahead in economy and tech, and be ready to defend a 2 base Colossus timing.
If you try to hold your natural you WILL DIE.
If you make a million bunkers you WILL DIE.
if you try to make barracks infront of your bunkers and wall in and pull scvs you WILL DIE.
On December 14 2012 08:57 EtherealDeath wrote: inb4 flash fanboys say 4 gate is op
This isn't twitch chat
Rain afraid to play macro against Flash it seems. Smart.
Why let someone with excessively greedy openers get away with it, and play for a no pressure late game? Go kill them or do damage kk. Especially when they have a track record of being terrible at defending such plays.
On December 14 2012 08:57 EtherealDeath wrote: inb4 flash fanboys say 4 gate is op
This isn't twitch chat
Rain afraid to play macro against Flash it seems. Smart.
Why let someone with excessively greedy openers get away with it, and play for a no pressure late game? Go kill them or do damage kk. Especially when they have a track record of being terrible at defending such plays.
Yeah, as I said, smart. Rain made the right decisions here. Letting Flash get his insane macro going not so great. Once Flash learns to defend all these all ins while cutting the corners he likes it will get interesting :D
why do you do a macro game vs an opponent thats falters to certain early game pressure? Its your goal to win, not to play dandy. So well done by.Rain. He exploited Flash weakness.
On December 14 2012 08:57 EtherealDeath wrote: inb4 flash fanboys say 4 gate is op
This isn't twitch chat
Rain afraid to play macro against Flash it seems. Smart.
Why let someone with excessively greedy openers get away with it, and play for a no pressure late game? Go kill them or do damage kk. Especially when they have a track record of being terrible at defending such plays.
Yeah, as I said, smart. Rain made the right decisions here. Letting Flash get his insane macro going not so great. Once Flash learns to defend all these all ins while cutting the corners he likes it will get interesting :D
It is annoying to play against people that play so greedy as Flash. Either you play as greedy as them blindly or you kill them early on, otherwise they will have such a huge midgame advantage that you play from behind the whole time. So yeah a good thing to punish eco cheesers early on, either way the games end up boring unless both go tripple nexus/cc.
On December 14 2012 09:10 FeyFey wrote: It is annoying to play against people that play so greedy as Flash. Either you play as greedy as them blindly or you kill them early on, otherwise they will have such a huge midgame advantage that you play from behind the whole time. So yeah a good thing to punish eco cheesers early on, either way the games end up boring unless both go tripple nexus/cc.
To be fair, as was already said, Flash didn't play that greedy every game. Last game was completely standard, for example. Certainly not eco cheese as you say.
right, Rain punished a greedy opening by flash. But still, personally, I think flash is a better macro player than Rain (though both are good). Its hard for Terrans to scout that kind of early-pressure build. I mean, toss has complete map control in the early game.
Did Flash go triple command last game? I thought he just went 2 commands.
Can someone please PM me if there are VoDs for this anywhere? I wish the threads for these were made like a day in advance instead of a few hours beforehand.
On December 14 2012 16:30 GolemMadness wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a terran hold an immortal sentry bust.
thats like saying "I have never seen a terran hold a 4gate after 14cc in BW"
They are not supposed to.
I've seen a 14CC beat a 4 pool in BW.
If you can find the vod for that game, I'd love to see it!
As someone who never watched brood war, how much harder would that be than holding a 6pool with CC first?
Erm... it's debatable. 4 pool in BW is a constant stream of lings too, just about 20-25 seconds earlier and you can't really pause for an ovie, it's even more all in. It's dumb because terran can win with just constant scv production since BW SCV's are so beefy while he gets a rax up near the mineral line.
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