(Vote): MC and Happy (Vote): MC and Heart (Vote): MC and finale (Vote): Happy and Heart (Vote): Happy and finale (Vote): Heart and finale (Vote): MC and Sang (Vote): Happy and Sang (Vote): finale and Sang (Vote): Heart and Sang
Poll: Heart? (haha)
MC and Happy (11)
34%
MC and Heart (7)
22%
MC and finale (3)
9%
Happy and Heart (3)
9%
MC and Sang (3)
9%
Heart and Sang (3)
9%
Happy and finale (2)
6%
Heart and finale (0)
0%
Happy and Sang (0)
0%
finale and Sang (0)
0%
32 total votes
Your vote: Heart? (haha)
(Vote): MC and Happy (Vote): MC and Heart (Vote): MC and finale (Vote): Happy and Heart (Vote): Happy and finale (Vote): Heart and finale (Vote): MC and Sang (Vote): Happy and Sang (Vote): Heart and Sang (Vote): finale and Sang
Since I'm new to the whole OP game, I want to make it clear right now that I can't do any actual LR today.
Thanks for making the thread. stupid spanish class making me do stuff during GSL. it's like they dont even care about esports. I think MC and Heart will make it out
Well Terminator probably won't make it out seeing as the UnD are basically the elephant hunting grounds. Other then that Happy and MC are the safe picks, so i guess i'll be going with that.
On October 26 2012 17:27 Hall0wed wrote: PvT and TvT, probably the only 2 matchups I enjoy at the moment. PvP is usually good when it doesn't go lategame too.
Go MC and Heart!
Yeah, TvP and TvT are my 2 favorites right now, PvP and ZvZ are alright.
On October 26 2012 17:26 Weavel wrote: Why I can't vote for Sparta in the heart poll?
Blunder count: 1.
Well, I had to leave some choices out, and I saw last group had only 10 choices, so I went with that. It didn't occur to me at the time that a five player group actually has just 10 possible outcomes. :s
Awesome, thanks for the OP. I could've done the LRs, but I need to make sure that everything's a-okay for this evening, so I'll only be keeping one eye on the Up/Down matches today.
I am somewhat unhappy with today's group. MC has not been playing that well lately, Happy is inconsistent, Heart's playstyle is not my thing, and the rest are a question mark. But hey, let's hope for some good games anyway.
On October 26 2012 18:18 X3GoldDot wrote: probably nestea flash, not because they are code S level, but because they have a ton of blind fans
They already have good excuses to give them seeds, too.
Flash = Qualified for MLG Dallas and was the best KeSPA player in Up/Downs. Nestea = There is a special rule to the Nestea award. You can trade it in for a Code S seed one time only.
5.00 Terminator spawning as the red Protoss in the 7 o'clock position. Heart spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock positiong.
Heart walling off with his initial Rax. Double gas for Terminator followed by a Cybernetics Core.
Heart building his CC in-base. Warpgate tech is researching, Terminator getting a nexus on his natural.
2 Barracks added on for Heart as he takes both geysers in his main.
10.00 Heart floating his CC to his natural, getting STim. Robotics Facility and another gate for Terminator.
Engineering Bay for Heart, Probe from Terminator scouts the natural. Reactors are added on to the Barracks for HEart, getting +1 attack.
Forge started for Terminator, taking both geysers on his natural. Factory started by Heart, taking a single geyser on his natural.
+1 armor started by Terminator. Starport added on for Heart.
Robotics Bay for Terminator, getting a Twilight Council. Combat Shields started for Heart.
Heart moving out towards the third base with a handful marines and a marauder. Sends a single marine towards the natural of Terminator, but pulls back as he sees the Protoss army.
Templar ARchives for Terminator. 2 more Barrakcs and +1 armor for Heart, Medivac production started.
5.00 Terminator spawning as the red Protoss in the 7 o'clock position. Heart spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock positiong.
Heart walling off with his initial Rax. Double gas for Terminator followed by a Cybernetics Core.
Heart building his CC in-base. Warpgate tech is researching, Terminator getting a nexus on his natural.
2 Barracks added on for Heart as he takes both geysers in his main.
10.00 Heart floating his CC to his natural, getting STim. Robotics Facility and another gate for Terminator.
Engineering Bay for Heart, Probe from Terminator scouts the natural. Reactors are added on to the Barracks for HEart, getting +1 attack.
Forge started for Terminator, taking both geysers on his natural. Factory started by Heart, taking a single geyser on his natural.
+1 armor started by Terminator. Starport added on for Heart.
Robotics Bay for Terminator, getting a Twilight Council. Combat Shields started for Heart.
Heart moving out towards the third base with a handful marines and a marauder. Sends a single marine towards the natural of Terminator, but pulls back as he sees the Protoss army.
Templar ARchives for Terminator. 2 more Barrakcs and +1 armor for Heart, Medivac production started.
15.00 Storm and Zealot Charge started for Terminator. Heart moves in towards the main with a double drop but pulls back as he sees HTs waiting.
Armory for Heart, producing some vikings. Engineering Bay added one. Terminator's +1 attack finishing up.
Heart decides to push in, just before Terminator's +1 attack finishes. Stims up the ramp, Colossus falls quickly, Storm isn't finished for Terminator! Only a handful marines and marauders are left, but multiple Medivacs keep them alive, pushing Terminator even further back. Probes are pull, but as reinforcements from Heart arrives, gg is called.
On October 26 2012 18:15 Fionn wrote: You now realize Code S two nights from now.
The groups will probably be out by tomorrow night.
I want to see some seeds.
I hope Yonghwa gets one.
That'd make sense.
But it'll probably be Stephano/Nestea or Flash. If Stephano declined, then Nestea and Flash. Why Nestea and Flash? Cause they're popular.
When have they seeded from Code A into Code S? Or someone who just fell out of Code A?
Never.
Polt did.
But he won Winter Assembly during the time when seeds were discussed.
Wasn't that one season after?
No. He fell to Creator, then went to Finland, won Assembly, and got a seed.
There is a difference between seeding someone in Code B, albeit just since recently, and someone who is actually in Code A, though. As for YongHwa, has he actually gotten any important result besides team leagues?
On October 26 2012 18:15 Fionn wrote: You now realize Code S two nights from now.
The groups will probably be out by tomorrow night.
I want to see some seeds.
I hope Yonghwa gets one.
That'd make sense.
But it'll probably be Stephano/Nestea or Flash. If Stephano declined, then Nestea and Flash. Why Nestea and Flash? Cause they're popular.
When have they seeded from Code A into Code S? Or someone who just fell out of Code A?
Never.
Polt did.
But he won Winter Assembly during the time when seeds were discussed.
Wasn't that one season after?
No. He fell to Creator, then went to Finland, won Assembly, and got a seed.
There is a difference between seeding someone in Code B, albeit just since recently, and someone who is actually in Code A, though. As for YongHwa, has he actually gotten any important result besides team leagues?
On October 26 2012 18:15 Fionn wrote: You now realize Code S two nights from now.
The groups will probably be out by tomorrow night.
I want to see some seeds.
I hope Yonghwa gets one.
That'd make sense.
But it'll probably be Stephano/Nestea or Flash. If Stephano declined, then Nestea and Flash. Why Nestea and Flash? Cause they're popular.
When have they seeded from Code A into Code S? Or someone who just fell out of Code A?
Never.
Polt did.
But he won Winter Assembly during the time when seeds were discussed.
Wasn't that one season after?
No. He fell to Creator, then went to Finland, won Assembly, and got a seed.
There is a difference between seeding someone in Code B, albeit just since recently, and someone who is actually in Code A, though. As for YongHwa, has he actually gotten any important result besides team leagues?
On October 26 2012 18:16 TheBB wrote: [quote] I want to see some seeds.
I hope Yonghwa gets one.
That'd make sense.
But it'll probably be Stephano/Nestea or Flash. If Stephano declined, then Nestea and Flash. Why Nestea and Flash? Cause they're popular.
When have they seeded from Code A into Code S? Or someone who just fell out of Code A?
Never.
Polt did.
But he won Winter Assembly during the time when seeds were discussed.
Wasn't that one season after?
No. He fell to Creator, then went to Finland, won Assembly, and got a seed.
There is a difference between seeding someone in Code B, albeit just since recently, and someone who is actually in Code A, though. As for YongHwa, has he actually gotten any important result besides team leagues?
Won WCG Korea, and got second in Homestory Cup.
Thanks. That's fairly nice, but I wonder if the tournament's relative lack of popularity could make it not enough of an incentive for GOM. I also wonder if they would push for more KeSPA players in Code S, given sad results in the U/Ds, and give out the seeds accordingly.
On October 26 2012 18:16 AbuntuGuntu wrote: [quote] I hope Yonghwa gets one.
That'd make sense.
But it'll probably be Stephano/Nestea or Flash. If Stephano declined, then Nestea and Flash. Why Nestea and Flash? Cause they're popular.
When have they seeded from Code A into Code S? Or someone who just fell out of Code A?
Never.
Polt did.
But he won Winter Assembly during the time when seeds were discussed.
Wasn't that one season after?
No. He fell to Creator, then went to Finland, won Assembly, and got a seed.
There is a difference between seeding someone in Code B, albeit just since recently, and someone who is actually in Code A, though. As for YongHwa, has he actually gotten any important result besides team leagues?
Won WCG Korea, and got second in Homestory Cup.
Thanks. That's fairly nice, but I wonder if the tournament's relative lack of popularity could make it not enough of an incentive for GOM. I also wonder if they would push for more KeSPA players in Code S, given sad results in the U/Ds, and give out the seeds accordingly.
Yeah it's not the biggest tournaments, but WCG is more popular in Korea I believe.
Poor Happy, not knowing the awesome timing he had.
On October 26 2012 18:15 Fionn wrote: You now realize Code S two nights from now.
The groups will probably be out by tomorrow night.
I want to see some seeds.
I hope Yonghwa gets one.
That'd make sense.
But it'll probably be Stephano/Nestea or Flash. If Stephano declined, then Nestea and Flash. Why Nestea and Flash? Cause they're popular.
Stephano won't decline this time
Hm? Stephano said on his stream that he won't play GSL this season because his schedule is too busy.
November is "his busiest month ever" but iirc he said he was to play GSL5, will depends on what EG ask him to do.
Yeah, I watched your interview, but that was quite a long time ago. Things have changed and he once again won't make it. Or do you have more recent news?
I think stephano will play in the GSL this season.....just feels like they no one else in korea is going to get a seed as no other notable foreigners are there atm(besides TLO) and they will definitely pass it to the most wanted foreigner.
On October 26 2012 18:16 AbuntuGuntu wrote: [quote] I hope Yonghwa gets one.
That'd make sense.
But it'll probably be Stephano/Nestea or Flash. If Stephano declined, then Nestea and Flash. Why Nestea and Flash? Cause they're popular.
When have they seeded from Code A into Code S? Or someone who just fell out of Code A?
Never.
Polt did.
But he won Winter Assembly during the time when seeds were discussed.
Wasn't that one season after?
No. He fell to Creator, then went to Finland, won Assembly, and got a seed.
There is a difference between seeding someone in Code B, albeit just since recently, and someone who is actually in Code A, though. As for YongHwa, has he actually gotten any important result besides team leagues?
Won WCG Korea, and got second in Homestory Cup.
Thanks. That's fairly nice, but I wonder if the tournament's relative lack of popularity could make it not enough of an incentive for GOM. I also wonder if they would push for more KeSPA players in Code S, given sad results in the U/Ds, and give out the seeds accordingly.
But who of the Kespa players would they give seeds to? The ones they had already given Seeds, but have fallen off? Hardly, they prove they don't belong yet. The ones that didn't have a seed, didn't have one for a reason, because they didn't achieve anything yet, and in the meantime they didn't prove themselves in any other tournaments, simply because they didn't partivipate in any others. Maybe someone did in the MvP invitational, but I didn't follow that, and it would be a rather weak case, since it basically is just an online qualifier for MLG. But maybe they give a seed based on that.
I'd guess Younghwa + 1 foreigner for Code S, and a mix of foreigners and Kespa players for the Code A seeds.
On October 26 2012 18:34 GreyKnight wrote: I think stephano will play in the GSL this season.....just feels like they no one else in korea is going to get a seed as no other notable foreigners are there atm(besides TLO) and they will definitely pass it to the most wanted foreigner.
TLO has had some decent showings lately, but it's a little ridiculous to say he deserves Code S. GSL have said before they are offering Stephano a seed every season, he just always declined it so far. maybe EG are forcing him to play though, i dunno. his schedule is already looking to be busy as fuck for November though.
On October 26 2012 18:34 GreyKnight wrote: I think stephano will play in the GSL this season.....just feels like they no one else in korea is going to get a seed as no other notable foreigners are there atm(besides TLO) and they will definitely pass it to the most wanted foreigner.
Stephano said in his stream chat that he would not be playing in GSL because there are so many other tournaments in November. If this is true, it does seem like a missed opportunity as this is probably going to be the quickest GSL season for a while.
On October 26 2012 18:15 Fionn wrote: You now realize Code S two nights from now.
The groups will probably be out by tomorrow night.
I want to see some seeds.
I hope Yonghwa gets one.
That'd make sense.
But it'll probably be Stephano/Nestea or Flash. If Stephano declined, then Nestea and Flash. Why Nestea and Flash? Cause they're popular.
Stephano won't decline this time
Hm? Stephano said on his stream that he won't play GSL this season because his schedule is too busy.
November is "his busiest month ever" but iirc he said he was to play GSL5, will depends on what EG ask him to do.
Yeah, I watched your interview, but that was quite a long time ago. Things have changed and he once again won't make it. Or do you have more recent news?
haven't talked to him since WCS Europe, I know he has 5 tournaments on 5 continents (I guess Europe and America comes twice) in November I assume: ESWC, Lone Star Clash, WCS World, DH winter an IPL5 which is a quite sick schedule, but EG wants him to...
On October 26 2012 18:15 Fionn wrote: You now realize Code S two nights from now.
The groups will probably be out by tomorrow night.
I want to see some seeds.
I hope Yonghwa gets one.
That'd make sense.
But it'll probably be Stephano/Nestea or Flash. If Stephano declined, then Nestea and Flash. Why Nestea and Flash? Cause they're popular.
Stephano won't decline this time
Hm? Stephano said on his stream that he won't play GSL this season because his schedule is too busy.
November is "his busiest month ever" but iirc he said he was to play GSL5, will depends on what EG ask him to do.
Yeah, I watched your interview, but that was quite a long time ago. Things have changed and he once again won't make it. Or do you have more recent news?
haven't talked to him since WCS Europe, I know he has 5 tournaments on 5 continents (I guess Europe and America comes twice) in November I assume: ESWC, Lone Star Clash, WCS World, DH winter an IPL5 which is a quite sick schedule, but EG wants him to...
GOM are changing their schedule around DH and World WCS but when you only have a month to complete the tournament up to ro4 there's only so much you can do
On October 26 2012 18:47 Ribbon wrote: Is this viable? Is Zealot/Archon/Phoenix just something you can do?
Yes but your Phoenix have to stay alive for the entire of the game - Liquid HerO and Mini have been using Phoenix/Colossi lately this was a new version of it
On October 26 2012 18:47 Ribbon wrote: Is this viable? Is Zealot/Archon/Phoenix just something you can do?
Been seeing more penix as of late in PvT, not a trend i mind very much. Always fun to see someone use penix.
It's viable as long as you hit those storms or if you can get a high Colossus count. It can be quite risky as well because there is a timing when you transition into colossai or HT where you are really weak to bio-pushes.
On October 26 2012 18:34 GreyKnight wrote: I think stephano will play in the GSL this season.....just feels like they no one else in korea is going to get a seed as no other notable foreigners are there atm(besides TLO) and they will definitely pass it to the most wanted foreigner.
I also think that Stephano is gonna get it, but about the noteworthy... You have like 20 KESPA players that are more worth of seed than any foreigner ever was, besides Nani and Stephano :>
As spectacular as that game was it all really came down to that first engagement where Sparta was sloppy and ate full storms, was forced to run and lost all but 2 medivacs. MC played out his advantage with flourish, but that one engagement was the real game decider, not the phoenixes, imo.
On October 26 2012 18:50 dynwar7 wrote: How can Terran counter that mass zealots, some archons, HT and phoenixes?
Byun did it the other day by simply taking an extremely fast 3rd since Protoss can't actually do anything at all to prevent it if you have your workers protected since all of his investment has gone into Tech.
yeah..the amount of micro T has to do is pretty difficult when compared to storms. If you fail to snipe/emp the HT....get ready to take really painful storms..
And as for phoenixes, they can be annoying killing your medivacs, and when there are colossi, it makes it difficult for vikings
On October 26 2012 18:34 GreyKnight wrote: I think stephano will play in the GSL this season.....just feels like they no one else in korea is going to get a seed as no other notable foreigners are there atm(besides TLO) and they will definitely pass it to the most wanted foreigner.
I also think that Stephano is gonna get it, but about the noteworthy... You have like 20 KESPA players that are more worth of seed than any foreigner ever was, besides Nani and Stephano :>
I am sure Stephano got invited but have you seen the dude's schedule. It is highly unlikely he can even fit it in. He has LoneStar, EWSC, WCS Globals, DH.
On October 26 2012 18:56 dynwar7 wrote: yeah..the amount of micro T has to do is pretty difficult when compared to storms. If you fail to snipe/emp the HT....get ready to take really painful storms..
And as for phoenixes, they can be annoying killing your medivacs, and when there are colossi, it makes it difficult for vikings
To be fair the amount of micro u need as a toss going for this composition is pretty insane too
On October 26 2012 19:04 megacrack wrote: i can believe how casters were talking as if happy would lose from start to finish till terminator ggs.. ridiculous
On October 26 2012 19:04 KiNGxXx wrote: Some of the KeSPA guys are really...not that good.
Terminator seems incredibly mediocre, I thought he'd be alright after beating suhosin and shine but he seems incredibly....eh I suppose it must be a massive PvT issue.
On October 26 2012 19:04 megacrack wrote: i can believe how casters were talking as if happy would lose from start to finish till terminator ggs.. ridiculous
Happy should have lost if Terminator didn't play awful.
I guess both Khaldor and Wolff thought that someone in the up and down matches wouldn't play like a platinum player >_<
On October 26 2012 19:04 KiNGxXx wrote: Some of the KeSPA guys are really...not that good.
Terminator seems incredibly mediocre, I thought he'd be alright after beating suhosin and shine but he seems incredibly....eh I suppose it must be a massive PvT issue.
On October 26 2012 19:04 megacrack wrote: i can believe how casters were talking as if happy would lose from start to finish till terminator ggs.. ridiculous
Happy should have lost if Terminator didn't play awful.
I guess both Khaldor and Wolff thought that someone in the up and down matches wouldn't play like a platinum player >_<
If this keeps up Terminator vs T might end up becoming the new JYPvT
On October 26 2012 19:04 megacrack wrote: i can believe how casters were talking as if happy would lose from start to finish till terminator ggs.. ridiculous
Happy should have lost if Terminator didn't play awful.
I guess both Khaldor and Wolff thought that someone in the up and down matches wouldn't play like a platinum player >_<
If this keeps up Termiantor vs T might end up becoming the new JYPvT
I guess MC doesn't care about wolf at all, but let's remember that wolf made a retarded little write-up last year how MC isn't even good enough for code A lol, and was so biased against him, he purposely called MCs engagements wrong etc etc
On October 26 2012 19:04 megacrack wrote: i can believe how casters were talking as if happy would lose from start to finish till terminator ggs.. ridiculous
Happy should have lost if Terminator didn't play awful.
I guess both Khaldor and Wolff thought that someone in the up and down matches wouldn't play like a platinum player >_<
If this keeps up Termiantor vs T might end up becoming the new JYPvT
On October 26 2012 19:04 KiNGxXx wrote: Some of the KeSPA guys are really...not that good.
The five that are in Code S - Rain, Bogus, Shy, Roro (and bbyong) - should make a big dent next season.
I don't think bogus will make much of an impact his TvT seems alright (I just said that about bogus...) but otherwise I haven't been too impressed, rain, shy and roro are my kespa players of choice.
On October 26 2012 19:04 megacrack wrote: i can believe how casters were talking as if happy would lose from start to finish till terminator ggs.. ridiculous
Happy should have lost if Terminator didn't play awful.
I guess both Khaldor and Wolff thought that someone in the up and down matches wouldn't play like a platinum player >_<
If this keeps up Termiantor vs T might end up becoming the new JYPvT
On October 26 2012 19:04 KiNGxXx wrote: Some of the KeSPA guys are really...not that good.
The five that are in Code S - Rain, Bogus, Shy, Roro (and bbyong) - should make a big dent next season.
What happened to Reality? :p
Strange, haven't heard a thing about him since WCS Korea. He's Terran though so.. I'm more shocked that CJ Hero finished last in MLG MvP and didn't qualify for GSL either considering how awesome he looks at the WCSs. But be on the lookout for soO at MLG Dallas. I expect him to lay the creep smackdown.. (he creeped up to Flash's 3rd base on cloud kingdom at the 13:00 mark ;p)
People overstate heart's cheese because he did it loads at the MLG where he placed 3rd he's mostly 50/50 at this point it's not like "HOLY SHIT HEART'S PLAYING MACRO LOL" he plays macro in online tournaments all the time it's not like he's a pure cheeser.
On October 26 2012 19:14 Fusilero wrote: People overstate heart's cheese because he did it loads at the MLG where he placed 3rd he's mostly 50/50 at this point it's not like "HOLY SHIT HEART'S PLAYING MACRO LOL" he plays macro in online tournaments all the time it's not like he's a pure cheeser.
On October 26 2012 19:14 Fusilero wrote: People overstate heart's cheese because he did it loads at the MLG where he placed 3rd he's mostly 50/50 at this point it's not like "HOLY SHIT HEART'S PLAYING MACRO LOL" he plays macro in online tournaments all the time it's not like he's a pure cheeser.
It's because people only remember him playing against Naniwa, because of foreigner bias. ;o
On October 26 2012 19:14 Fusilero wrote: People overstate heart's cheese because he did it loads at the MLG where he placed 3rd he's mostly 50/50 at this point it's not like "HOLY SHIT HEART'S PLAYING MACRO LOL" he plays macro in online tournaments all the time it's not like he's a pure cheeser.
On October 26 2012 19:14 Fusilero wrote: People overstate heart's cheese because he did it loads at the MLG where he placed 3rd he's mostly 50/50 at this point it's not like "HOLY SHIT HEART'S PLAYING MACRO LOL" he plays macro in online tournaments all the time it's not like he's a pure cheeser.
It's because people only remember him playing against Naniwa, because of foreigner bias. ;o
to be fair I think those games will be ingrained in my memory for a while because of how terrible they were
On October 26 2012 19:13 stephenrau wrote: But be on the lookout for soO at MLG Dallas. I expect him to lay the creep smackdown.. (he creeped up to Flash's 3rd base on cloud kingdom at the 13:00 mark ;p)
I think you really need splash damage earlier than MC is getting it.. even having both twilight upgrades doesn't mean anything if you don't have splash.
On October 26 2012 19:13 stephenrau wrote: But be on the lookout for soO at MLG Dallas. I expect him to lay the creep smackdown.. (he creeped up to Flash's 3rd base on cloud kingdom at the 13:00 mark ;p)
pretty standard for a patchzerg ;P
I'm gonna watch his FPvods to see for myself, but he goes above and beyond.. remember when Jaedong made his GSL debut and they were impressed.. it's nothing compared to soo.. I just have to see more games to be sure. Sure he patch queens but he must be staring at the tumors waiting for them to pop or something. 11:00 creep to flash's nat on tal darim close position
On October 26 2012 19:13 stephenrau wrote: But be on the lookout for soO at MLG Dallas. I expect him to lay the creep smackdown.. (he creeped up to Flash's 3rd base on cloud kingdom at the 13:00 mark ;p)
pretty standard for a patchzerg ;P
I'm gonna watch his FPvods to see for myself, but he goes above and beyond.. remember when Jaedong made his GSL debut and they were impressed.. it's nothing compared to soo.. I just have to see more games to be sure. Sure he patch queens but he must be staring at the tumors waiting for them to pop or something. 11:00 creep to flash's nat on tal darim close position
I would like to see those VODs, but I understand that MLG will not be releasing them for free and neither replays.
Allow me to be angry for a moment, this is why entombed valley is such a silly TvP map it's just way too hard for terran to get good engagements around all 3 of the toss baess when the storm is finished. Great storms don't get me wrong but I think it's just a little bit silly
On October 26 2012 19:22 AbuntuGuntu wrote: MC's storms are pretty much perfect today.
MC microed really well and did alot of good moves, but im getting tired of hearing "omg perfect fungal/storm". Laying those spells is the easiet action MC performed in that game.
On October 26 2012 19:24 mogster wrote: And another game that makes me wonder why protoss go so often for colossi and not for templar tech.
Colossi timings are incredibly strong on many maps but a map like entombed is just so much better for storm because of the ease of defensive 3 base with psi storm up.
On October 26 2012 19:18 ACrow wrote: This is some excellent blink usage in PvT. One of the Kespa players got blink over charge as well in PvT, maybe it's a new thing.
MC has been favouring blink over charge for a long time in PvT because it allows him map presence, he can attempt to force stims out on the map, it helps against drops and when you get charge later you can lead in engagements with your stalkers get some shots and when the stim comes you blink back and let you zealots charge in and the terran has to react quickly because they were moving in towards the stalkers and now have to micro back from the zealots.
On October 26 2012 19:22 AbuntuGuntu wrote: MC's storms are pretty much perfect today.
MC microed really well and did alot of good moves, but im getting tired of hearing "omg perfect fungal/storm". Laying those spells is the easiet action MC performed in that game.
MC had 2 storms available, did you see the way heart moved the marines/marauders at the 3rd soon as mc's army engaged he pulled them back. Most protoss players would have stormed and the M&M would have evaded it thus probabaly giving heart a better lead/advantage. By waiting that second or 2 then storming after the "evade" he got much much more out of those storms then most would have.
On October 26 2012 19:22 AbuntuGuntu wrote: MC's storms are pretty much perfect today.
MC microed really well and did alot of good moves, but im getting tired of hearing "omg perfect fungal/storm". Laying those spells is the easiet action MC performed in that game.
MC had 2 storms available, did you see the way heart moved the marines/marauders at the 3rd soon as mc's army engaged he pulled them back. Most protoss players would have stormed and the M&M would have evaded it thus probabaly giving heart a better lead/advantage. By waiting that second or 2 then storming after the "evade" he got much much more out of those storms then most would have.
A normal Protoss would have died 5 times already in that game but MC held playing perfectly.
These terran player who arent Mvp or Taeja need to realise that they dont have a good chance at winning TvP straight up macro style. Either cheese or open hellion/drop/banshee.
On October 26 2012 19:25 Laryleprakon wrote: I would love to know there reasoning behind removing Ohana and not Entombed or Antigia.
maybe it's because of the immortal sentry all in against zerg?
You mean the WonWonWon.
are we just going to call every auto win all in a WonWonWon? lol I approve
Nah, we dubbed the immortal-sentry all-in WonWonWon in one of the LR threads this week after Parting (named Won), the Startale coach (also a Won), and the Korean currency
WHAT? Did he just leave? I was pretty sure he could have just owned MC if he had attacked...he had blink stalkers, 4 immortals, and a huge advantage overall, could have split MC's army or something.
Oh well, gogogo MC colossi wars. Uh oh now Terminator's coming back :X
On October 26 2012 20:09 batterseapower wrote: If Happy wins the next one Sparta is out, if Sparta wins then Heart is out and Finale is in. Terminator is already out.
On October 26 2012 20:09 batterseapower wrote: If Happy wins the next one Sparta is out, if Sparta wins then Heart is out and Finale is in. Terminator is already out.
no terminator isnt out yet
Really? My program thinks he is. Maybe it is a bug: how can he still advance?
On October 26 2012 20:16 corpsepose wrote: both of them are doing one of my two or three go-to tvt builds :D
edit: only sparta is doing it, nvm. happy had to be cool and diverge from it. ;;
Is there link to this build somewhere. Only catched gas into fast reactor. :p
i stole it from liquid'sea's stream.. here's a rough outline from my b.o. notebook, sorry if it isnt completely in depth ;; 12 rax 15 gas 17 depot reactor after 2 marines cc factory with next 100 gas depot at 24 lift off rax upon completion of factory (should have 6 marines); put factory on reactor start starport produce hellions start medivac upon completion of starport 2nd gas when starport finishes, or close to that should have 8 or so marines and 4-6 hellions to push/drop with
Happy is really good, but I think his head to head with Finale is going to bite him later in the group. >_< I hope he takes out MC next, and Finale loses to Terminator.
On October 26 2012 20:26 samurai80 wrote: Results are as expected so far, Finale and MC ahead in the group. Edit: *MC and Happy are actually tied
Would have thought MC and Happy would have been the expected result.
Eh I had MC and heart/happy, didn't think finale was quite ready for code S while heart and happy say what you will about them have to capability to compete.
On October 26 2012 20:26 GunPaladin wrote: huge lol@this music. Are we in the 80's again?
it's a good song. definitely better than most of the new poppy mainstream songs that have been playing on the radio imho.
It looks like the good old hard rock has evolved in the late 90s to symphonic metal and now symphonic metal is kinda evolving back to the good old hard rock.
On October 26 2012 20:26 Kasaraki wrote: Happy is really good, but I think his head to head with Finale is going to bite him later in the group. >_< I hope he takes out MC next, and Finale loses to Terminator.
If that happens can MC and Happy still advance together?
Doesn't look like Terminator's going to win, though. TT
On October 26 2012 20:46 Inflicted_ wrote: Finale filling in the hole Genius left?
He's been the ace protoss for MVP for a while since genius left, tails isn't that good while vampire is alright but finale has always been more succesful in the team leagues for MVP, lure is bad while sangho is too hard to judge.
Best TvP ever, 35 solid minutes of non stop aggression and action all over the map, sick multitasking and control from both players decided over so many fights 10/10.
On October 26 2012 20:51 ffrozenfish wrote: the interesting part of the UP/DOWNS, tie breaker analysis
They always talk about tie breakers but how many have there been? The only ones I can remember are jjakji/check/losira, JYP/Tester/Marineking and sC/Alicia/Thestc
On October 26 2012 20:51 ffrozenfish wrote: the interesting part of the UP/DOWNS, tie breaker analysis
They always talk about tie breakers but how many have there been? The only ones I can remember are jjakji/check/losira, JYP/Tester/Marineking and sC/Alicia/Thestc
On October 26 2012 20:51 ffrozenfish wrote: the interesting part of the UP/DOWNS, tie breaker analysis
They always talk about tie breakers but how many have there been? The only ones I can remember are jjakji/check/losira, JYP/Tester/Marineking and sC/Alicia/Thestc
i remember alot, but not the players in them
Wasn't there one with MMA/Polt/some zerg? Or was that for some other GOM event (Blizzard Cup)?
On October 26 2012 20:51 ffrozenfish wrote: the interesting part of the UP/DOWNS, tie breaker analysis
They always talk about tie breakers but how many have there been? The only ones I can remember are jjakji/check/losira, JYP/Tester/Marineking and sC/Alicia/Thestc
i remember alot, but not the players in them
Wasn't there one with MMA/Polt/some zerg? Or was that for some other GOM event (Blizzard Cup)?
probably. MMA has never been in a tiebreaker in ups and downs afaik i also remember one with sC/stc/ another terran, back in s2
On October 26 2012 20:51 ffrozenfish wrote: the interesting part of the UP/DOWNS, tie breaker analysis
They always talk about tie breakers but how many have there been? The only ones I can remember are jjakji/check/losira, JYP/Tester/Marineking and sC/Alicia/Thestc
i remember alot, but not the players in them
Wasn't there one with MMA/Polt/some zerg? Or was that for some other GOM event (Blizzard Cup)?
On October 26 2012 21:04 Ghanburighan wrote: What's going on, people???
Marauder + Hellions + SCV choo choo train for happy.
TY! So much suspense for us who can't watch.
MC moves down the ramp into the marauder + hellion concave, does not go well natural nexus lost, bunker set up as happy establishes his natural, happy abandons the contain when MC comes out with a few immortals happy now significantly ahead.
On October 26 2012 21:04 Ghanburighan wrote: What's going on, people???
Marauder + Hellions + SCV choo choo train for happy.
TY! So much suspense for us who can't watch.
MC moves down the ramp into the marauder + hellion concave, does not go well natural nexus lost, bunker set up as happy establishes his natural, happy abandons the contain when MC comes out with a few immortals happy now significantly ahead.
On October 26 2012 21:04 Ghanburighan wrote: What's going on, people???
Marauder + Hellions + SCV choo choo train for happy.
TY! So much suspense for us who can't watch.
MC moves down the ramp into the marauder + hellion concave, does not go well natural nexus lost, bunker set up as happy establishes his natural, happy abandons the contain when MC comes out with a few immortals happy now significantly ahead.
On October 26 2012 21:04 Ghanburighan wrote: What's going on, people???
Marauder + Hellions + SCV choo choo train for happy.
TY! So much suspense for us who can't watch.
MC moves down the ramp into the marauder + hellion concave, does not go well natural nexus lost, bunker set up as happy establishes his natural, happy abandons the contain when MC comes out with a few immortals happy now significantly ahead.
Who's awesome? You're awesome! ^^
MC is able to bust down happy's natural, tear apart a few bunkers, depots and SCVs, lots of bio and mining is lost, MC re establishes his natural as happy is able to drive MC out of his natural but MC retains all of his immortals +1 weapon finished for happy.
On October 26 2012 21:12 Fusilero wrote: Blink, double forges, robo bay and 3rd coming up for MC, happy dancing around MC's bases with his bio, ghosts ready for happy no 3rd for happy.
On October 26 2012 21:12 Fusilero wrote: Blink, double forges, robo bay and 3rd coming up for MC, happy dancing around MC's bases with his bio, ghosts ready for happy no 3rd for happy.
Esports 2012 - reading comments on a forum, but too excited to do anything else.
On October 26 2012 21:15 Schelim wrote: da fuck just happened
He had too little splash and inferior upgrades against the heavy medivac count of happy, EMPs nailed the immortals to cripple his ability to kill immortals the heal allows a small group of hero marauders and ghosts to out sustain MC's forces to get the win.
On October 26 2012 21:16 KiNGxXx wrote: Something is wrong here!
go Sqiurtle!!! maybe the name change will give him confidence also top protoss like Happy, DRG, and Hyun are sure to make a run next season Parting forced to play zerg after won/won/won-ing everyone
I feel like that loss came down to MC's decision making after he took that huge lead. He added 4 gates which would have been fine if he did a follow up all in (and would have almost definitely killed Happy), but he didn't. He delayed his Collosus tech and upgrades too much.
Soulkey is a good seed, I guess, but disappointed in the Baby seed. It's not that I have anything against him or think he's bad, but he fell out of Code A. Give it to someone who hasn't had a chance in GSL...
Numbers are wrong because Soulkey is under protoss here, it's 13/10/9. Still a good balance if you ask me, because TvT is the best mirror match up. I would have prefered another zerg seeded but well, Baby looked good.
On October 26 2012 21:17 zerious wrote: why not give Flash the seed? he's better than Baby, imo
Because Flash is already in GSL. Meanwhile baby hit bomber first round of code A and barely got taken out 1-2.
Thats weird logic isn't it?
Stay in GSL -> Fight through up & downs Get kicked out of GSL - > Get code S seed Fail to qualify for GSL - > Get code S seed
Well you can't seed someone that already is in the tournament can you? Doesn't matter where you fell out or didn't qualified, you are still outside the next tournament.
On October 26 2012 21:17 zerious wrote: why not give Flash the seed? he's better than Baby, imo
Because Flash is already in GSL. Meanwhile baby hit bomber first round of code A and barely got taken out 1-2.
Thats weird logic isn't it?
Stay in GSL -> Fight through up & downs Get kicked out of GSL - > Get code S seed Fail to qualify for GSL - > Get code S seed
Well you can't seed someone that already is in the tournament can you? Doesn't matter where you fell out or didn't qualified, you are still outside the next tournament.
You can if you just open up 1 more code A spot. Its not that difficult administratively.
On October 26 2012 21:17 zerious wrote: why not give Flash the seed? he's better than Baby, imo
Because Flash is already in GSL. Meanwhile baby hit bomber first round of code A and barely got taken out 1-2.
Thats weird logic isn't it?
Stay in GSL -> Fight through up & downs Get kicked out of GSL - > Get code S seed Fail to qualify for GSL - > Get code S seed
Well you can't seed someone that already is in the tournament can you? Doesn't matter where you fell out or didn't qualified, you are still outside the next tournament.
You can if you just open up 1 more code A spot. Its not that difficult administratively.
DRG won a seed to Code S from MLG while he was in Code A and that's exactly how they accounted for it
I don't even know why Sponsor Seed or any Seed exists in Code S. Why not give 2 more seats for Up&Down, Code A etc. Is it like wildcard in tennis? Then, Goran Ivanišević won Wimbledon from wildcard, so... maybe it makes some sense as long as they invite decent players?
These seeds might have been finalized months ago actually, maybe part of their original deal included these players to be seeded in S5. Someone would have to check but perhaps they were the two players after the ones who got seeded for S4 in the Proleague ranking.
Since there's no date for the new GSL Season starting Gom could've announced the 2 best non-Code S players get into Code S for MLG Dallas next week. ( where plenty of Kespas players also are , )
Looks like they don't know how to do with those 2 seeds, no appropriate foreigners. So they found 2 good kespa players to give seeds.
IMO, they should just get rid of code S seeds, instead just provide several up&down seeds(maybe more than 2) for foreigners or good Kespa players, that will make a lot of sense. Free code s seeds are too unfair to other players.
On October 26 2012 21:17 zerious wrote: why not give Flash the seed? he's better than Baby, imo
Because Flash is already in GSL. Meanwhile baby hit bomber first round of code A and barely got taken out 1-2.
Thats weird logic isn't it?
Stay in GSL -> Fight through up & downs Get kicked out of GSL - > Get code S seed Fail to qualify for GSL - > Get code S seed
Well you can't seed someone that already is in the tournament can you? Doesn't matter where you fell out or didn't qualified, you are still outside the next tournament.
You can if you just open up 1 more code A spot. Its not that difficult administratively.
They probably asked him and he was like, "no! I must win back my honor" or something lol
The seed for Baby just feels wrong. If someone tries to qualify and fails than he doesn't deserve it and it is unfair to everyone else who tried and failed to qualify.
On October 26 2012 21:24 Jaedong4thOSL wrote: Looks like they don't know how to do with those 2 seeds, no appropriate foreigners. So they found 2 good kespa players to give seeds.
IMO, they should just get rid of code S seeds, instead just provide several up&down seeds(maybe more than 2) for foreigners or good Kespa players, that will make a lot of sense. Free code s seeds are too unfair to other players.
it's in everyone's benefit if they can give seeds through which they can market the tournament. I rather have code S with 30 great players and 2 maybe less deserving ones but good hype than just the 32 best. Seeds provide nice stories etc.
Online cross server play vs foreigners maybe not the best indicator, but we will see ^_^
I think that GOM should take like 8 potential seeds, have them play top 2 get seeded into next season.
i like that idea, sooo frustrated stephano isnt playing, like everything hinted towards his participation for almost half a year by now
stephano could probably win 1 on 2 vs these two seeds
That's overhyping stephano. Even if he's 1 vs 2 gold league players, 2rax + 10 pool, no way stephano can hold.
i like how you took that comment so literal.
i'm also a bit dissappointed Stephano isn't playing this season, but can't say i'm too surprised. look at the lineup of tournaments he's going to attend in November already, plus he's been NOT playing in GSL for like a year now.
Baby's I can sort of understand with his MLG MvP record but the tournament was so low-key and the bottom line became the Foreigners got slaughtered of some guys even though they had a 2 year head-start but a seed from it?
On October 26 2012 22:02 sharkie wrote: wtf is with this charity seeds from GOM? I dont like giving out seeds in general, its unfair to everyone who has qualified through Code A
no wonder no one watches sc2 in korea
Part of the deal for Kespa players playing in GSL was for them to get seeded in, in Season 4 they got a lot of seeds in both code a and s and they are giving them more this season I guess.
On October 26 2012 22:02 sharkie wrote: wtf is with this charity seeds from GOM? I dont like giving out seeds in general, its unfair to everyone who has qualified through Code A
no wonder no one watches sc2 in korea
Part of the deal for Kespa players playing in GSL was for them to get seeded in, in Season 4 they got a lot of seeds in both code a and s and they are giving them more this season I guess.
I think it would be better if they get rid of automatic S seeds and just have more Code A seeds. It gets rid of the randomness that comes with Code B. But also make the players show they're capable of playing at a high level. I mean, Kespa players, at least A-teamers, generally perform much better for televised games anyway. So Code A seed is quite beneficial for those who are good at preparation. Which top Kespa players generally are very good at.
On October 26 2012 22:44 X3GoldDot wrote: idra has literally turned into the most underrated pro IMHO, did everyone forgot that he got 3rd in wcs america or what
isn't America below Europe? aka nothing special reaching top3 there
On October 26 2012 22:44 X3GoldDot wrote: idra has literally turned into the most underrated pro IMHO, did everyone forgot that he got 3rd in wcs america or what
You were calling him bad yesterday along with Nestea , I'm sure you have a screw loose somewhere
On October 26 2012 22:44 X3GoldDot wrote: idra has literally turned into the most underrated pro IMHO, did everyone forgot that he got 3rd in wcs america or what
You were calling him bad yesterday along with Nestea , I'm sure you have a screw loose somewhere
idra is bad for code S standards, but so is nestea. the point is ppl make him sound like a masters newbie, hes better than everyone thinks, but not code S level
On October 26 2012 22:44 X3GoldDot wrote: idra has literally turned into the most underrated pro IMHO, did everyone forgot that he got 3rd in wcs america or what
i love Idra more than almost any pro, but let's be honest here. yeah, some people underrate him, but some people also still overrate him imo... it's actually really hard to say what his current level is as he hasn't been playing many tournaments lately. and WCS america is cool and all, but you know, it's america. ever since Huk fell the fuck off, Idra is "not supposed to lose to these people" as he himself would put it. getting third place rather than first would've been a huge upset about a year ago.
Just watched MC vs Sparta, that style was so much fun to watch that I'm almost sad HotS is coming so soon... We probably won't get to see it develop that much, or see what Bisu can really do with it...
On October 26 2012 23:28 ArcticRaven wrote: How was finale's play ?
In the only PvP he played, he completely outplayed Sang in every possible way and won convincingly. In one of the PvTs on Ohana (I believe against Heart), he pretty much had a build order adantage (win) that went the best possible way. Heart went for a fairly fast expo with some tech afterwards, while finale opted for a 1-gate expo into 4-gate pressure. Heart had blocked his choke with 2xsupplies and a bunker, but salvaged the bunker after seeing finale's expo, which was 5-10 seconds before finale attacked. So he marched into the main with 1 zealot and 6-7 stalkers, while Heart only had 7-8 marines and only 3 rax. Didn't see the other 2 games.
On October 26 2012 21:24 s3rp wrote: Since there's no date for the new GSL Season starting Gom could've announced the 2 best non-Code S players get into Code S for MLG Dallas next week. ( where plenty of Kespas players also are , )
Next season's schedule is out. It starts on Monday. Dammit, no MC!!!!! Plus I wanted Flash to get a seed.
On October 26 2012 21:19 Chill Penguin wrote: Code S without MC makes me sad.
I feel like that loss came down to MC's decision making after he took that huge lead. He added 4 gates which would have been fine if he did a follow up all in (and would have almost definitely killed Happy), but he didn't. He delayed his Collosus tech and upgrades too much.
sorry to quote someone from 4 pages before but I too was really surprised that MC retreated after he busted down 2 bunkers. I felt that he could have killed Happy there. Really strange.
Gosh what the hell are those seeds ? Why would you give a seed to a player who was in code A and lost ? This is so wrong... Do they have quotas to meet with Kespa players ?
Oh and btw no Stephano. Has Gom even offered him a seed and he declined ? Or he wasn't even offered one ?
Oh and a lot of Terrans is cool : more Terran match ups, less ZvZ, PvP and ZvP.
On October 27 2012 01:52 Ragnarork wrote: Gosh what the hell are those seeds ? Why would you give a seed to a player who was in code A and lost ? This is so wrong... Do they have quotas to meet with Kespa players ?
Oh and btw no Stephano. Has Gom even offered him a seed and he declined ? Or he wasn't even offered one ?
Oh and a lot of Terrans is cool : more Terran match ups, less ZvZ, PvP and ZvP.
I am sure GOM offered Stephano a seed. But if you look at his November schedule, it would have been pretty hard for him to participate (he would have been flying to different tournaments each weekend.)
On October 26 2012 22:44 X3GoldDot wrote: idra has literally turned into the most underrated pro IMHO, did everyone forgot that he got 3rd in wcs america or what
Even at WCS NA, Idra beat Major, Suppy and Illusion while losing to State and Vibe. So being 3-2 vs established NA pros is Idras biggest achievement 2012? That says everything. Idra is still massively overrated by most parts of the scene.
On October 26 2012 21:30 mogster wrote: The seed for Baby just feels wrong. If someone tries to qualify and fails than he doesn't deserve it and it is unfair to everyone else who tried and failed to qualify.
On October 26 2012 22:44 X3GoldDot wrote: idra has literally turned into the most underrated pro IMHO, did everyone forgot that he got 3rd in wcs america or what
Even at WCS NA, Idra beat Major, Suppy and Illusion while losing to State and Vibe. So being 3-2 vs established NA pros is Idras biggest achievement 2012? That says everything. Idra is still massively overrated by most parts of the scene.
on topic: wtf, MC?
If Idra hadn't been so vocal in the earlier parts of sc2 then people wouldn't be so hard on him IMO. He is still one of the "better" foreigners but he just don't have that little extra required to be one of the best.
On October 27 2012 01:31 vthree wrote: So the elephants who were suppose to stomp everyone need to get a mercy foreigner seed to get into Code S? Mr Chae, WTF?
Shouldn't Oz have gotten the seed if you were to invite someone from MvP?
On October 27 2012 01:31 vthree wrote: So the elephants who were suppose to stomp everyone need to get a mercy foreigner seed to get into Code S? Mr Chae, WTF?
Shouldn't Oz have gotten the seed if you were to invite someone from MvP?
On October 27 2012 01:31 vthree wrote: So the elephants who were suppose to stomp everyone need to get a mercy foreigner seed to get into Code S? Mr Chae, WTF?
Shouldn't Oz have gotten the seed if you were to invite someone from MvP?
Mr. Chae loves money. Oz doesn't bring money in.
If this is the case, why not invite Flash and JD? I would have been fine if they announced the criteria at the start of MvP. But it seems really random now.
On October 27 2012 01:31 vthree wrote: So the elephants who were suppose to stomp everyone need to get a mercy foreigner seed to get into Code S? Mr Chae, WTF?
Shouldn't Oz have gotten the seed if you were to invite someone from MvP?
Mr. Chae loves money. Oz doesn't bring money in.
If this is the case, why not invite Flash and JD? I would have been fine if they announced the criteria at the start of MvP. But it seems really random now.
i think yonghwa/soulkey would have been fair/better (soulkey probably will win the MvP - he may have already, i don't know when the games were played)
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