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On September 26 2012 17:22 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 16:45 InDesconrowl wrote:On September 26 2012 16:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On September 26 2012 15:50 InDesconrowl wrote:
Ok if Curious gets out of this group I will really take a break from sc2 scene. Naniwa and Mana getting cheesed out of GSL. Mini talking crap about Naniwa after he won...Can't believe the audacity of these koreans. lol, curious probably has the best mechanics out of any zerg atm.......... mini deserved the win, he probably couldve won naniwa in 1000 different ways with how bad naniwa is, but he chose the easier route, mana was cheesed out i agree but sC played to win, not for fame. Naniwa was actually playing incredibly good until he got cheesed back to back against Heart and that put him into a slump. I will never forgive heart for that. Don't forget Naniwa is the most accomplished foreigner ever with back to back ro8 in the hardest GSL seasons ever. The "most accomplished" term is such a useless and subjective term, especially because your reason is a couple of round of 8 finishes. That's more subjective than price money, tournament wins, or anything similar. :/ I am not saying it's not impressive, but it's not something that guarantees you the honor of being the "best" or "most accomplished". Maybe if you had said "one of the..." it would make sense, and I'd agree easily. Apart from that, his slump started way before he even met Heart... Failing WCS Sweden, and going out 4-0 in IEM Cologne, for example. Might be when he left Quantic and Startale.
JYP's touch lasts a while, i see. he absorbed naniwa's pvt
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On September 26 2012 17:38 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:24 Incomplet wrote:
I think its acceptable to cheese once in a BO1 and twice in BO5 and 7. In the case of Naniwa and Mana, Naniwa got cheesed twice by Heart in the RO32 Code S which is BO3, but Mini simply outplayed him in a standard PvP game. The second game in particular, Nani was getting destroyed by warp prism immortal harass. As for Mana, he got cheesed twice with 1-1-1 by asd.
Anyway ontopic...
Curious / MVP pretty easy to predict There is nothing wrong with any number of cheese. At all. If a professional SC2 gamer can't defend a few proxy strats and all-ins then it's his own fault.
Yeah, people shouldn't just go full YellOw and expect their opponents to play in to their hands.
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On September 26 2012 16:19 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 15:50 InDesconrowl wrote:
Ok if Curious gets out of this group I will really take a break from sc2 scene. Naniwa and Mana getting cheesed out of GSL. Mini talking crap about Naniwa after he won...Can't believe the audacity of these koreans. lol, curious probably has the best mechanics out of any zerg atm.......... mini deserved the win, he probably couldve won naniwa in 1000 different ways with how bad naniwa is, but he chose the easier route, mana was cheesed out i agree but sC played to win, not for fame.
sC ? You mean asd ??
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On September 26 2012 17:33 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 16:16 Fragile51 wrote:On September 26 2012 16:10 JJH777 wrote:On September 26 2012 15:50 InDesconrowl wrote:
Ok if Curious gets out of this group I will really take a break from sc2 scene. Naniwa and Mana getting cheesed out of GSL. Mini talking crap about Naniwa after he won...Can't believe the audacity of these koreans. Wut. Curious is one of the least cheesy zergs. Not since life joined the ST house :p That just makes what he said even dumber cause he has a Zenex tag. Zenex zergs are the cheesiest players out there.
Zenex actually fostered some of the best sc2 talent we have seen. Great team but richer teams kept stealing their talent. I was sad to see Startale take the rest of the team.
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On September 26 2012 17:38 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:24 Incomplet wrote:
I think its acceptable to cheese once in a BO1 and twice in BO5 and 7. In the case of Naniwa and Mana, Naniwa got cheesed twice by Heart in the RO32 Code S which is BO3, but Mini simply outplayed him in a standard PvP game. The second game in particular, Nani was getting destroyed by warp prism immortal harass. As for Mana, he got cheesed twice with 1-1-1 by asd.
Anyway ontopic...
Curious / MVP pretty easy to predict There is nothing wrong with any number of cheese. At all. If a professional SC2 gamer can't defend a few proxy strats and all-ins then it's his own fault.
Youre right, but what i mean by acceptable is, if you cheese say 3 times in a BO5, even the Koreans themselves will call you cheesy. But more importantly your style becomes much more predictable.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 26 2012 17:38 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:24 Incomplet wrote:
I think its acceptable to cheese once in a BO1 and twice in BO5 and 7. In the case of Naniwa and Mana, Naniwa got cheesed twice by Heart in the RO32 Code S which is BO3, but Mini simply outplayed him in a standard PvP game. The second game in particular, Nani was getting destroyed by warp prism immortal harass. As for Mana, he got cheesed twice with 1-1-1 by asd.
Anyway ontopic...
Curious / MVP pretty easy to predict There is nothing wrong with any number of cheese. At all. If a professional SC2 gamer can't defend a few proxy strats and all-ins then it's his own fault.
All-in =/= cheese. Of course the community will never understand this.
Back during the early days (GSL Open Seasons 1-3) I despised cheeses and all-ins, because it was boring, short, and impossible to predict.
But now that the game has more or less stabilized, I love seeing sensible and well planned cheeses and all-ins. With the players' micro being so good now, cheese looks incredibly exciting. Compare 4gates and blink all-ins today with those from a year and a half ago. HUGE difference. The weird scenarios caused by these strategies actually lets players show how good they are at making big decisions on the fly and improvise.
Standard is boring, I want me some mad, mad games.
On September 26 2012 17:44 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:38 red4ce wrote:On September 26 2012 17:24 Incomplet wrote:
I think its acceptable to cheese once in a BO1 and twice in BO5 and 7. In the case of Naniwa and Mana, Naniwa got cheesed twice by Heart in the RO32 Code S which is BO3, but Mini simply outplayed him in a standard PvP game. The second game in particular, Nani was getting destroyed by warp prism immortal harass. As for Mana, he got cheesed twice with 1-1-1 by asd.
Anyway ontopic...
Curious / MVP pretty easy to predict There is nothing wrong with any number of cheese. At all. If a professional SC2 gamer can't defend a few proxy strats and all-ins then it's his own fault. Youre right, but what i mean by acceptable is, if you cheese say 3 times in a BO5, even the Koreans themselves will call you cheesy. But more importantly your style becomes much more predictable.
I will argue that there are more cheese and all-in variations than there are standard builds. The only predictable thing is the cheese, but it might be cheddar, Gouda, parmesan, blue, limburger... etc.
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On September 26 2012 17:40 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:22 Kasaraki wrote:On September 26 2012 16:45 InDesconrowl wrote:On September 26 2012 16:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On September 26 2012 15:50 InDesconrowl wrote:
Ok if Curious gets out of this group I will really take a break from sc2 scene. Naniwa and Mana getting cheesed out of GSL. Mini talking crap about Naniwa after he won...Can't believe the audacity of these koreans. lol, curious probably has the best mechanics out of any zerg atm.......... mini deserved the win, he probably couldve won naniwa in 1000 different ways with how bad naniwa is, but he chose the easier route, mana was cheesed out i agree but sC played to win, not for fame. Naniwa was actually playing incredibly good until he got cheesed back to back against Heart and that put him into a slump. I will never forgive heart for that. Don't forget Naniwa is the most accomplished foreigner ever with back to back ro8 in the hardest GSL seasons ever. The "most accomplished" term is such a useless and subjective term, especially because your reason is a couple of round of 8 finishes. That's more subjective than price money, tournament wins, or anything similar. :/ I am not saying it's not impressive, but it's not something that guarantees you the honor of being the "best" or "most accomplished". Maybe if you had said "one of the..." it would make sense, and I'd agree easily. Apart from that, his slump started way before he even met Heart... Failing WCS Sweden, and going out 4-0 in IEM Cologne, for example. Might be when he left Quantic and Startale. JYP's touch lasts a while, i see. he absorbed naniwa's pvt
1 more thing. JYP shouldn't be putting his hands on anyone who is competeing in a professional tournament. Can't believe the sc2 community let him get away with those shenanigans just because it was Naniwa who was on the receiving end.
Mini is extremely bad manner against naniwa and no outrage, but when naniwa does something trivial like probe rush he gets hammered by the community.
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MVP is coming for that ass MKP ;o
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mvp and mkp
good thing i like 3/4 players in this group so ill be happy no matter what.
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Just read Nani's twitter post:
@NaNiwaSC2
finally gathered motivation enough to play alot again, fucking shitkid mini so fucking cocky.
Mini is lucky naniwa won't be able to rematch him soon because trust me a motivated nani is top 3 toss ever. MLG Providence Nani that beatdown Nestea , MVP, DRG, HuK in their peaks.
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On September 26 2012 17:40 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:22 Kasaraki wrote:On September 26 2012 16:45 InDesconrowl wrote:On September 26 2012 16:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On September 26 2012 15:50 InDesconrowl wrote:
Ok if Curious gets out of this group I will really take a break from sc2 scene. Naniwa and Mana getting cheesed out of GSL. Mini talking crap about Naniwa after he won...Can't believe the audacity of these koreans. lol, curious probably has the best mechanics out of any zerg atm.......... mini deserved the win, he probably couldve won naniwa in 1000 different ways with how bad naniwa is, but he chose the easier route, mana was cheesed out i agree but sC played to win, not for fame. Naniwa was actually playing incredibly good until he got cheesed back to back against Heart and that put him into a slump. I will never forgive heart for that. Don't forget Naniwa is the most accomplished foreigner ever with back to back ro8 in the hardest GSL seasons ever. The "most accomplished" term is such a useless and subjective term, especially because your reason is a couple of round of 8 finishes. That's more subjective than price money, tournament wins, or anything similar. :/ I am not saying it's not impressive, but it's not something that guarantees you the honor of being the "best" or "most accomplished". Maybe if you had said "one of the..." it would make sense, and I'd agree easily. Apart from that, his slump started way before he even met Heart... Failing WCS Sweden, and going out 4-0 in IEM Cologne, for example. Might be when he left Quantic and Startale. JYP's touch lasts a while, i see. he absorbed naniwa's pvt
Or JYP just stopped touching himself. :p
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On September 26 2012 17:55 InDesconrowl wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Just read Nani's twitter post:
@NaNiwaSC2
finally gathered motivation enough to play alot again, fucking shitkid mini so fucking cocky.
Mini is lucky naniwa won't be able to rematch him soon because trust me a motivated nani is top 3 toss ever. + Show Spoiler + MLG Providence Nani that beatdown Nestea , MVP, DRG, HuK in their peaks.
Well...no?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 26 2012 17:57 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:55 InDesconrowl wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Just read Nani's twitter post:
@NaNiwaSC2
finally gathered motivation enough to play alot again, fucking shitkid mini so fucking cocky.
Mini is lucky naniwa won't be able to rematch him soon because trust me a motivated nani is top 3 toss ever. + Show Spoiler + MLG Providence Nani that beatdown Nestea , MVP, DRG, HuK in their peaks. Well...no?
Yeah no.
Anyway what did mini do? I watched the games and didn't notice anything T_T
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On September 26 2012 17:54 Corrosive wrote:
mvp and mkp
good thing i like 3/4 players in this group so ill be happy no matter what.
What happens is that the person you don't like wins and the least of your favorites takes a lucky second place.
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On September 26 2012 15:50 InDesconrowl wrote:
Ok if Curious gets out of this group I will really take a break from sc2 scene. Naniwa and Mana getting cheesed out of GSL. Mini talking crap about Naniwa after he won...Can't believe the audacity of these koreans.
Judging from your terrible posts I would say you have already checked out.
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On September 26 2012 17:58 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:57 KiNGxXx wrote:On September 26 2012 17:55 InDesconrowl wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Just read Nani's twitter post:
@NaNiwaSC2
finally gathered motivation enough to play alot again, fucking shitkid mini so fucking cocky.
Mini is lucky naniwa won't be able to rematch him soon because trust me a motivated nani is top 3 toss ever. + Show Spoiler + MLG Providence Nani that beatdown Nestea , MVP, DRG, HuK in their peaks. Well...no? Yeah no. Anyway what did mini do? I watched the games and didn't notice anything T_T
mini said he was disappointed because he thought Naniwa was better than he actually was in his post game interview
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On September 26 2012 17:58 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:57 KiNGxXx wrote:On September 26 2012 17:55 InDesconrowl wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Just read Nani's twitter post:
@NaNiwaSC2
finally gathered motivation enough to play alot again, fucking shitkid mini so fucking cocky.
Mini is lucky naniwa won't be able to rematch him soon because trust me a motivated nani is top 3 toss ever. + Show Spoiler + MLG Providence Nani that beatdown Nestea , MVP, DRG, HuK in their peaks. Well...no? Yeah no. Anyway what did mini do? I watched the games and didn't notice anything T_T
He ran laps around nani is what he did.
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On September 26 2012 17:58 Porcelina wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 17:54 Corrosive wrote:
mvp and mkp
good thing i like 3/4 players in this group so ill be happy no matter what. What happens is that the person you don't like wins and the least of your favorites takes a lucky second place.
i'll be the least possible happy but happy nonetheless
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