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When a zerg has an infestor heavy army, he doesn't need to be ahead in econ; he can even be behind, and be in decent shape. The more you know.
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On September 16 2012 07:40 Tsunami49 wrote:
I cannot believe stephano played like that after 40 hours of travel, arriving at 8am and only 2 hours of sleep in Sweden. Amazing!
Cant forget he wasnt playing with his gear. He borrowed some.
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On September 16 2012 09:31 AndAgain wrote:
When a zerg has an infestor heavy army, he doesn't need to be ahead in econ; he can even be behind, and be in decent shape. The more you know.
Remind you of anything?
Good old defilers. Only thing is you don't need an army of them and the tricks are a little different.
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On September 16 2012 07:34 Domus wrote:
Fair win for Stephano, Luficron made a big error and lost for it. On another note, I only watched these finals and did not watch any of the earlier games. What matches do you guys recommend to go back and watch on twitch?
The first game of the day: Slivko vs Grubby game 1
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On September 16 2012 09:13 BadAim wrote:
I love Stephano, but his zvz is under par. If he meets Nerchio he will lose.
Did you watch Stephano - Lowely? Stephano always came out ahead even when he seemed to be behind a lot of the times, very impressive engagements.
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On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is  . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired.
I improved so much after joining Liquid and I achieved my greatest accomplishment (winning TSL2) after joining Liquid. Jinro achieved his Code S results after joining Liquid. If you are calling the natural ups and downs of a progamer a curse then you lack some understanding of the profession.
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On September 16 2012 09:48 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. I improved so much after joining Liquid and I achieved my greatest accomplishment (winning TSL2) after joining Liquid. Jinro achieved his Code S results after joining Liquid. If you are calling the natural ups and downs of a progamer a curse then you lack some understanding of the profession.
He was joking.
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On September 16 2012 09:48 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. I improved so much after joining Liquid and I achieved my greatest accomplishment (winning TSL2) after joining Liquid. Jinro achieved his Code S results after joining Liquid. If you are calling the natural ups and downs of a progamer a curse then you lack some understanding of the profession.
Why would you react to them trolls?
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Stephano makes me want to play zerg!! he has to be 1 of the best players worldwide atm.
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On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired.
Karma, luck, curses.... what the hell TL next you will be saying there are spells cast by witches that affect the liquid/EG guys.
You make your own luck in this world. the difference between 2 progamers is so fucking small it's literally down to 1 decision, they are all in the 99.9 percentile including Tyler/TLO/Zenio, who are still total bosses by the way.
"It's fucking bullshit."
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wcs na finals was zvz and now eu finals is a zvz? Them zergs are strong
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Why do people say Huk won the first tournament he played in right after joining EG? MLG Orlando was two months after Huk joined EG. The first tournament he played in under EG was GSL, which is when he hit ro8 and then he went right to IEM Cologne, which he fell out in group stages. Puma won that tournament, which was his debut for EG.
Puma is the only player to win his EG debut tournament. WCS Sweden was not Thorzain's first EG tournament either. MLG Spring Arena was. WCS Sweden was almost 3 months after joining EG.
They don't win a tournament right after they sign (other than Puma). They just win tournaments.
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On September 16 2012 09:48 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. I improved so much after joining Liquid and I achieved my greatest accomplishment (winning TSL2) after joining Liquid. Jinro achieved his Code S results after joining Liquid. If you are calling the natural ups and downs of a progamer a curse then you lack some understanding of the profession.
Curse or not, you're still my favorite Nony ;D
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On September 16 2012 09:48 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. I improved so much after joining Liquid and I achieved my greatest accomplishment (winning TSL2) after joining Liquid. Jinro achieved his Code S results after joining Liquid. If you are calling the natural ups and downs of a progamer a curse then you lack some understanding of the profession.
The joke obviously went over your head.
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Rebroadcast up at http://sv.twitch.tv/dreamhacktv/ Make sure to watch this first game of Grubby vs Slivko coming up in a min if you missed it earlier. Really awesome game.
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I think Blizzard messed up by not giving Sweden a direct seed. No Swedes at the global final? Really?
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On September 16 2012 08:22 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 08:03 Grumbels wrote:On September 16 2012 07:57 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:51 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:49 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:43 Fjodorov wrote:On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up?
Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern? I bet Taeja and Hero feels cursed and all  Taeja and Hero are clearly exceptions, just like JYP and Stephano. Aren't you listening to all the guys on TL.net? Obviously curses work like this. HerO and Taeja were already doing well long before they even got signed by TL. You guys have to understand that there are different types of players. Stephano like I said is low maintenance. He figures shit out for himself. Taeja. Low maintenance. Dude's been solid for ages. HerO. Let's his creativity and micro do the work. JYP is very similar to HerO and is just starting to breakout. I can't believe that you're honestly taking this seriously. Look at the data. -_- The data showing that EG has a voodoo witch doctor curse and Team Liquid doesn't? Please, link me to this data. You keep missing the points that's fine. Be blind on your own I already explained it to you and another guy already explained it to you as well. You should drop the comparisons especially when the criteria and recruitment was and still is totally different from one another for starters. Be a punk on your own time because I don't make time for people like you. You must be trolling, the EG curse is a terrible joke that people should have dropped a year ago. It's almost as stale as Stephano USA USA USA in stream chats. EG is simply higher profile, so when their players lose it gets picked up on. And they picked up some players that were at the height of their careers and had nowhere to go but down. If you manage to combine this to deduce there´s a voodoo curse then I'm sure something is wrong with you. The same pattern holds for every team, they have some players whose relative skill declines and some whose relative skill increases. TLO, Nony, Jinro, Zenio, Sheth, Haypro are all kinda irrelevant by now, so there must be a TL curse? Or Sase has done badly for a few months now, Naniwa left, so Quantic curse? Made-up sports statistics are so dumb, it's one thing to make fun of Fionn for his terrible predictions or to notice that HuK underperformed after joining EG, but to obsess about this for years, mentioning it after every EG game etc. is simply annoying. Oh another edit? Okay then. Let me nip this in the bud. It doesn't hold true for every team. You guys seem to love the team liquid versus EG rivalry so let's talk more about Team Liquid. TL was never based on results alone. At the beginning their roster was a bunch of guys they knew from Brood War with the only exception being TLO. It wasn't result based. It was about veterans they knew and liked. For exampe, Before Jos (retje) joined he wasn't even sure if he was going to dive in the deep end with SC2. He was just picking up the game. They've known ret for ages as he's been one of our top foreigners in Brood War for ages. It was an easy pick-up for TL and they had no idea where he would go with it. Why the heck would you pick-up a player if you cannot rationalize it? The reason EG gets so much flack is because of their over exposure and flaunting. That's what happens when you are put in the spotlight time and time again.
Overexposure? EG is only so visible because other teams do a horrible job of promoting themselves and their players.
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On September 16 2012 08:22 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 08:03 Grumbels wrote:On September 16 2012 07:57 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:51 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:49 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:43 Fjodorov wrote:On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up?
Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern? I bet Taeja and Hero feels cursed and all Taeja and Hero are clearly exceptions, just like JYP and Stephano. Aren't you listening to all the guys on TL.net? Obviously curses work like this. HerO and Taeja were already doing well long before they even got signed by TL. You guys have to understand that there are different types of players. Stephano like I said is low maintenance. He figures shit out for himself. Taeja. Low maintenance. Dude's been solid for ages. HerO. Let's his creativity and micro do the work. JYP is very similar to HerO and is just starting to breakout. I can't believe that you're honestly taking this seriously. Look at the data. -_- The data showing that EG has a voodoo witch doctor curse and Team Liquid doesn't? Please, link me to this data. You keep missing the points that's fine. Be blind on your own I already explained it to you and another guy already explained it to you as well. You should drop the comparisons especially when the criteria and recruitment was and still is totally different from one another for starters. Be a punk on your own time because I don't make time for people like you. You must be trolling, the EG curse is a terrible joke that people should have dropped a year ago. It's almost as stale as Stephano USA USA USA in stream chats. EG is simply higher profile, so when their players lose it gets picked up on. And they picked up some players that were at the height of their careers and had nowhere to go but down. If you manage to combine this to deduce there´s a voodoo curse then I'm sure something is wrong with you. The same pattern holds for every team, they have some players whose relative skill declines and some whose relative skill increases. TLO, Nony, Jinro, Zenio, Sheth, Haypro are all kinda irrelevant by now, so there must be a TL curse? Or Sase has done badly for a few months now, Naniwa left, so Quantic curse? Made-up sports statistics are so dumb, it's one thing to make fun of Fionn for his terrible predictions or to notice that HuK underperformed after joining EG, but to obsess about this for years, mentioning it after every EG game etc. is simply annoying. Oh another edit? Okay then. Let me nip this in the bud. It doesn't hold true for every team. You guys seem to love the team liquid versus EG rivalry so let's talk more about Team Liquid. TL was never based on results alone. At the beginning their roster was a bunch of guys they knew from Brood War with the only exception being TLO. It wasn't result based. It was about veterans they knew and liked. For exampe, Before Jos (retje) joined he wasn't even sure if he was going to dive in the deep end with SC2. He was just picking up the game. They've known ret for ages as he's been one of our top foreigners in Brood War for ages. It was an easy pick-up for TL and they had no idea where he would go with it. Why the heck would you pick-up a player if you cannot rationalize it? The reason EG gets so much flack is because of their over exposure and flaunting. That's what happens when you are put in the spotlight time and time again.
Where do you think EG gets the resources to sign all these contracts? They are by far the best team at marketing both their players and their sponsors, and it shows.
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On September 16 2012 09:53 The_Unseen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 09:48 Liquid`NonY wrote:On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. I improved so much after joining Liquid and I achieved my greatest accomplishment (winning TSL2) after joining Liquid. Jinro achieved his Code S results after joining Liquid. If you are calling the natural ups and downs of a progamer a curse then you lack some understanding of the profession. Why would you react to them trolls?
hes agreeing with the guy... he is not a troll he is right natural up and downs are viewed as slumps only because they join EG.
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