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On August 13 2012 12:08 InvictusRage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 11:58 Dexington wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. What the hell are you talking about? In the context of discussing protoss females, Bitter said something like "What would you do with a woman without a mouth?" pretty clearly in context implying that oral sex is the only purpose women serve. Rotterdam responded by saying that a woman without a mouth would be awesome, that relationships would be so much easier then, implying (if not directly saying) that the communication of women is a contemptible thing that needs to be minimized as much as possible.
Oh come on, get a thicker skin, can't take a joke?
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On August 13 2012 12:08 InvictusRage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 11:58 Dexington wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. What the hell are you talking about? In the context of discussing protoss females, Bitter said something like "What would you do with a woman without a mouth?" pretty clearly in context implying that oral sex is the only purpose women serve. Rotterdam responded by saying that a woman without a mouth would be awesome, that relationships would be so much easier then, implying (if not directly saying) that the communication of women is a contemptible thing that needs to be minimized as much as possible.
It's a joke and should be treated only as a joke. Our society is way too uptight now.
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On August 13 2012 12:08 InvictusRage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 11:58 Dexington wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. What the hell are you talking about? In the context of discussing protoss females, Bitter said something like "What would you do with a woman without a mouth?" pretty clearly in context implying that oral sex is the only purpose women serve. Rotterdam responded by saying that a woman without a mouth would be awesome, that relationships would be so much easier then, implying (if not directly saying) that the communication of women is a contemptible thing that needs to be minimized as much as possible.
Well everyone knows that Protoss girlfriends are superior to Terran ones, and certainly superior to Zerg girlfriends (ouch).
The immortality thing also means that you never have to worry about your girl getting old. 
And the sex...priceless
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On August 13 2012 12:08 InvictusRage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 11:58 Dexington wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. What the hell are you talking about? In the context of discussing protoss females, Bitter said something like "What would you do with a woman without a mouth?" pretty clearly in context implying that oral sex is the only purpose women serve. Rotterdam responded by saying that a woman without a mouth would be awesome, that relationships would be so much easier then, implying (if not directly saying) that the communication of women is a contemptible thing that needs to be minimized as much as possible.
I doubt that either of them are really misogynists and they were truly speaking in jest(if I recall correctly they both have girlfriends.). They tend to have bro moments where they speak a little crassly in which is very inappropriate on stream, I too was little shocked to hear them go off like that. I wouldn't freak out about it but they probably need a tap on the shoulder and a reminder to keep it a little more respectful.
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On August 13 2012 12:11 compucomp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:08 InvictusRage wrote:On August 13 2012 11:58 Dexington wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. What the hell are you talking about? In the context of discussing protoss females, Bitter said something like "What would you do with a woman without a mouth?" pretty clearly in context implying that oral sex is the only purpose women serve. Rotterdam responded by saying that a woman without a mouth would be awesome, that relationships would be so much easier then, implying (if not directly saying) that the communication of women is a contemptible thing that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Oh come on, get a thicker skin, can't take a joke?
Seriously? This is so pathetic I actually can't tell if you're joking. Putting entirely aside the serious problems the gaming scene has with gender, jokes about that stuff can be perfectly fine in complicated contexts where everyone knows everybody really well and people's actual views are beyond question, but I don't know these guys personally, and plenty of people watching know them even less than I do. Outside of those contexts, those kind of jokes are evidence of serious character defects.
This isn't a point about professionalism or whatever. I don't particularly care whether they're professional. I do kind of care that they're not terrible people.
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On August 13 2012 12:19 InvictusRage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:11 compucomp wrote:On August 13 2012 12:08 InvictusRage wrote:On August 13 2012 11:58 Dexington wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. What the hell are you talking about? In the context of discussing protoss females, Bitter said something like "What would you do with a woman without a mouth?" pretty clearly in context implying that oral sex is the only purpose women serve. Rotterdam responded by saying that a woman without a mouth would be awesome, that relationships would be so much easier then, implying (if not directly saying) that the communication of women is a contemptible thing that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Oh come on, get a thicker skin, can't take a joke? Seriously? This is so pathetic I actually can't tell if you're joking. Putting entirely aside the serious problems the gaming scene has with gender, jokes about that stuff can be perfectly fine in complicated contexts where everyone knows everybody really well and people's actual views are beyond question, but I don't know these guys personally, and plenty of people watching know them even less than I do. Outside of those contexts, those kind of jokes are evidence of serious character defects. This isn't a point about professionalism or whatever. I don't particularly care whether they're professional. I do kind of care that they're not terrible people.
Haha, apparently you can't take a joke, and you really do need to get thicker skin. You're making a mountain out of a molehill ridiculously.
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On August 13 2012 12:19 Ziggitz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:08 InvictusRage wrote:On August 13 2012 11:58 Dexington wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. What the hell are you talking about? In the context of discussing protoss females, Bitter said something like "What would you do with a woman without a mouth?" pretty clearly in context implying that oral sex is the only purpose women serve. Rotterdam responded by saying that a woman without a mouth would be awesome, that relationships would be so much easier then, implying (if not directly saying) that the communication of women is a contemptible thing that needs to be minimized as much as possible. I doubt that either of them are really misogynists and they were truly speaking in jest(if I recall correctly they both have girlfriends.). They tend to have bro moments where they speak a little crassly in which is very inappropriate on stream, I too was little shocked to hear them go off like that. I wouldn't freak out about it but they probably need a tap on the shoulder and a reminder to keep it a little more respectful.
That would be great. I hope that's true. I don't think I have particularly good evidence that it's true. People with girlfriends can be misogynists too. What people say in unguarded moments tends to shed light on their actual views, regardless of what they say when they are paying attention.
But I've said my piece, I hope somebody at least taps them on the shoulder.
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TBH I agree with Invictus. Doesn't bother me... but if NASL wants to be professional, they *cannot* be doing that shit.
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On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL.
I like boobs.
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I bet you guys loved all the jokes 2GD and Geoff made at Assembly, didn't you? But Rotti and Bitter make a single joke against women and suddenly "GAH NASL SO UNPROFESSIONAL AS AN ORGANIZATION TO HAVE CASTERS THAT MAKE JOKES FROM TIME TO TIME"
On August 13 2012 12:28 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. I like boobs.
Valid
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On August 13 2012 12:24 InvictusRage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:19 Ziggitz wrote:On August 13 2012 12:08 InvictusRage wrote:On August 13 2012 11:58 Dexington wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. What the hell are you talking about? In the context of discussing protoss females, Bitter said something like "What would you do with a woman without a mouth?" pretty clearly in context implying that oral sex is the only purpose women serve. Rotterdam responded by saying that a woman without a mouth would be awesome, that relationships would be so much easier then, implying (if not directly saying) that the communication of women is a contemptible thing that needs to be minimized as much as possible. I doubt that either of them are really misogynists and they were truly speaking in jest(if I recall correctly they both have girlfriends.). They tend to have bro moments where they speak a little crassly in which is very inappropriate on stream, I too was little shocked to hear them go off like that. I wouldn't freak out about it but they probably need a tap on the shoulder and a reminder to keep it a little more respectful. That would be great. I hope that's true. I don't think I have particularly good evidence that it's true. People with girlfriends can be misogynists too. What people say in unguarded moments tends to shed light on their actual views, regardless of what they say when they are paying attention. But I've said my piece, I hope somebody at least taps them on the shoulder.
The issue of misogyny aside, I just find it interesting that your name is InvictusRage, which in Latin/English should mean "Inconquerable Rage" if I am not mistaken :p
Sure I can see how the comments could get some people upset, but it was really just some light-hearted banter. Nothing malicious, and maybe a tap on the shoulder like you suggested probably would be a good idea.
However, it's probably not best to label Bitterdam misogynists just from this. That would be a bit of an overreaction.
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On August 13 2012 12:08 InvictusRage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 11:58 Dexington wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, so all the anti-female bullshit is not cool, NASL. What the hell are you talking about? In the context of discussing protoss females, Bitter said something like "What would you do with a woman without a mouth?" pretty clearly in context implying that oral sex is the only purpose women serve. Rotterdam responded by saying that a woman without a mouth would be awesome, that relationships would be so much easier then, implying (if not directly saying) that the communication of women is a contemptible thing that needs to be minimized as much as possible.
They were clearly joking around.... People in this community need to relax a little.
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If people want to continue talking about that remark :: It's something that would get you booted off of broadcast TV if it was said during a sporting event. In the context of a random bs starcraft stream, it's not really a big deal... but it's the reason why SC2 broadcasting will never expand beyond what we have now. Lots of major community figures have been commenting on sc community professionalism for a while now... obviously it's not going to be solved.
That's the reason why some people are 'upset' or 'being uptight'.
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On August 13 2012 12:57 Gescom wrote:
If people want to continue talking about that remark :: It's something that would get you booted off of broadcast TV if it was said during a sporting event. In the context of a random bs starcraft stream, it's not really a big deal... but it's the reason why SC2 broadcasting will never expand beyond what we have now. Lots of major community figures have been commenting on sc community professionalism for a while now... obviously it's not going to be solved.
That's the reason why some people are 'upset' or 'being uptight'.
Let's face it though: at this point we are far from being mainstream enough in North America to be on broadcast TV. There are much bigger issues on why we aren't on broadcast TV, and it's not because of the occasional politically incorrect remark.
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One game to win an extra $500 and a spot in NASL4. That's some huge pressure.
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On August 13 2012 13:00 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:57 Gescom wrote:
If people want to continue talking about that remark :: It's something that would get you booted off of broadcast TV if it was said during a sporting event. In the context of a random bs starcraft stream, it's not really a big deal... but it's the reason why SC2 broadcasting will never expand beyond what we have now. Lots of major community figures have been commenting on sc community professionalism for a while now... obviously it's not going to be solved.
That's the reason why some people are 'upset' or 'being uptight'. Let's face it though: at this point we are far from being mainstream enough in North America to be on broadcast TV. There are much bigger issues on why we aren't on broadcast TV, and it's not because of the occasional politically incorrect remark.
You don't think this is the kind of stuff sponsors care about? Because getting sponsors willing to bankroll by paying players and broadcasters is the biggest barrier to becoming more mainstream. Kellog's stopped sponsoring Michael Phelps because he was caught smoking pot despite the fact that he is still hugely popular. You don't think Destiny's behaviour has hurt him financially? No this one comment is not going to destroy the NASL and the lack of it is not the sole barrier to mainstream appeal, that doesn't make self destructive behaviour a good idea.
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Wow, GG Bischu, great game too Glon , best of luck at IPL5.
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