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pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3641
hahaha i loled so hard...HOTS in not even in closed beta stage , and people are already complaining at balance...
kids oh kids..
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3642
On June 09 2012 11:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:33 Jono7272 wrote:
I'm just going to go mass mines..


First HotS Funday Monday: Make your opponent ragequit by only attacking with Widow Mines

HotS Funday MCDayC: Make only mines.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3643
On June 09 2012 11:36 Badfatpanda wrote:
Wait, what happened to SaSe Beasty? I thought that was supposed to be on Pre2?


I saw the end of game 3, pretty sure it came up really late :|
in it for the game not for the .... - PMS Army. [WUFC-SDK. VIM. PMS]
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3644
On June 09 2012 11:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:34 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:33 Thomanson wrote:
So....siege tanks. Now officially worthless.


The balance isn't final, maybe tanks will go back to 50 base damage.


50?

base damage was 60.


Oh this is true, I was mistaken. It'll go back either way if they find that hydras wreck too hard as it is.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3645
On June 09 2012 11:35 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:35 Noocta wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:34 Drazerk wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:33 Noocta wrote:
Not impressed.
Mech is trash ? What's new about that.

Marines will still kill everything and it's all I need.


All the good zerg units still exist


And none of them kill marines so i'm fine with that.
Zerg can spend all their gas making silly hydra or viper instead of Infestors or actual scary units.

you really do not understand what the cloud does do you?


Make me move 10 pixels ?
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3646
HotS is still in development, nothing is set in stone, what we saw is a work in progress. That game just showcased the new units / gameplay features. Balance is totally irrelevant in this case.
o choro é livre
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3647
On June 09 2012 11:35 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:34 Province wrote:
Apollo is so handsome, I'm totally gay for him


tasteless is not pleased


nada didn't need someone like Province either!
ffxiv enjoyer
CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr
Profile Joined June 2012
544 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3648
On June 09 2012 11:31 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:25 Dodgin wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:22 Pandain wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:18 MCDayC wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:18 Dodgin wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:16 Pandain wrote:
The sheer dominance that Dongraegu is exhibiting is unparalleled.

I think its safe to say, if you've even glanced at his POV, analyzed his games, realized his greatness and sheer acumen, that he is the best Starcraft 2 player in our history so far. Better than anyone else, even MVP, and I'm talking in his prime.

Obviously we'll have to see if he can keep it up. But the sheer dismantlement of MC, the incredible genius which guides his play, the astounding multitasking, it's not just a transitory moment of power.

Dongraegu is here to stay. And Dongraegu is here to dominate.

He's better a macro player than Nestea, combined with the strategic brilliance of MVP, coupled with the dedication of a champion and the mindset of a bonjwa.


ehhhhhhhhh I don't know about that

Nope, I know, he's wrong.


The legacy of MVP's prime is overstated, and was embellished after the period itself(probably due to overzealous/passionate Starcraft 2 fans). Yes, he was the most dominant starcraft two player of all time so far, but I think Dongraegu surpasses his rivals in skill more than MVP ever did. MVP always had Nestea to worry(and lose) to, he struggled with Leenock, consistantly lost to MMA etc....

Dongraegu, right now, in my opinion which will have to be proven(so I may or may not be retarded), is more dominant skill wise. Eventually he'll be more dominant accomplishment wise, as we'll see with time.


Your facts are wrong -_- Mvp beat Nestea in every series they had except one, MMA was his only real rival. he lost to Leenock once. He's been in the ro4 at least in the past 5 or 6 GSL's. no one else has that consistency.


Look at my previous posts, Blizzcon MVP won 4-3(and Nestea had huge advantage last game.) Since Leenock came to prominence, MVP has multiple times to Leenock, including MLG Providence, GSL ro8(4?), etc.... Your facts are lacking as your limited to GSL I think.

Again I'd like to reiterate how I'm saying DRG is more "dominating" skill wise than MVP was, and how it still has to be proven but just my feeling.


No, just no. Mvp has beaten DRG in their only important encounter, has created so much more for terran than DRG has for zerg. DRG also just doesnt have the long term thinking shared by players like MVP and Flash, ive never seen him go into the game with a 50 miute game plan. And Mvp at his best straight up maphack, which is not something ive seen from DRG( i guess a patch recently fixed that tho). So i disagree with the strategic brilliance. I mean comon even Flash just said Mvp plays the game the same way he does rofl. And in term of achievement/domination, didnt Mvp just win a GSL with the worst race ?
awaiting the return of the space cowboy
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3649
Actually I take it back down a notch, I was reading some Dongraegu interviews and he's not so sure he's the best. So we shall wait!

One day...
jeffvip
Profile Joined June 2011
211 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3650
Pls make Siege Tank more viable instead of more useless unit
Marine is Terran strongest unit but it might be Terran's biggest weakness. Bcos of Marine so OP, other Terran unit regrettably have to be weak..
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3651
On June 09 2012 11:31 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:25 Dodgin wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:22 Pandain wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:18 MCDayC wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:18 Dodgin wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:16 Pandain wrote:
The sheer dominance that Dongraegu is exhibiting is unparalleled.

I think its safe to say, if you've even glanced at his POV, analyzed his games, realized his greatness and sheer acumen, that he is the best Starcraft 2 player in our history so far. Better than anyone else, even MVP, and I'm talking in his prime.

Obviously we'll have to see if he can keep it up. But the sheer dismantlement of MC, the incredible genius which guides his play, the astounding multitasking, it's not just a transitory moment of power.

Dongraegu is here to stay. And Dongraegu is here to dominate.

He's better a macro player than Nestea, combined with the strategic brilliance of MVP, coupled with the dedication of a champion and the mindset of a bonjwa.


ehhhhhhhhh I don't know about that

Nope, I know, he's wrong.


The legacy of MVP's prime is overstated, and was embellished after the period itself(probably due to overzealous/passionate Starcraft 2 fans). Yes, he was the most dominant starcraft two player of all time so far, but I think Dongraegu surpasses his rivals in skill more than MVP ever did. MVP always had Nestea to worry(and lose) to, he struggled with Leenock, consistantly lost to MMA etc....

Dongraegu, right now, in my opinion which will have to be proven(so I may or may not be retarded), is more dominant skill wise. Eventually he'll be more dominant accomplishment wise, as we'll see with time.


Your facts are wrong -_- Mvp beat Nestea in every series they had except one, MMA was his only real rival. he lost to Leenock once. He's been in the ro4 at least in the past 5 or 6 GSL's. no one else has that consistency.


Look at my previous posts, Blizzcon MVP won 4-3(and Nestea had huge advantage last game.) Since Leenock came to prominence, MVP has multiple times to Leenock, including MLG Providence, GSL ro8(4?), etc.... Your facts are lacking as your limited to GSL I think.

Again I'd like to reiterate how I'm saying DRG is more "dominating" skill wise than MVP was, and how it still has to be proven but just my feeling.


Mvp vs Leenock is 6-6 including international and Korea, 2-2 in series wins. It's not exactly a landslide either way? And again Mvp has an overwhelming record vs Nestea, I don't have a problem with you saying DRG is more skilled because maybe he is i don't know but at least use real examples.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
June 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#3652
On June 09 2012 11:35 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:34 Solo Terran wrote:
Things that are OP:

Those spider mine things are OP as FUCK LOL

Viper abduct looks pretty op

Ultralisk burrow charge look unstoppable.

spider mine: have obs unit
viper abduct: useless vs bio
ultralisk charge: just split bio


lol viper would use cloud on bio.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 09 2012 02:37 GMT
#3653
On June 09 2012 11:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:34 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:33 Thomanson wrote:
So....siege tanks. Now officially worthless.


The balance isn't final, maybe tanks will go back to 50 base damage.


50?

base damage was 60.


back in the beta...
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 09 2012 02:37 GMT
#3654
On June 09 2012 11:36 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:31 Pandain wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:25 Dodgin wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:22 Pandain wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:18 MCDayC wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:18 Dodgin wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:16 Pandain wrote:
The sheer dominance that Dongraegu is exhibiting is unparalleled.

I think its safe to say, if you've even glanced at his POV, analyzed his games, realized his greatness and sheer acumen, that he is the best Starcraft 2 player in our history so far. Better than anyone else, even MVP, and I'm talking in his prime.

Obviously we'll have to see if he can keep it up. But the sheer dismantlement of MC, the incredible genius which guides his play, the astounding multitasking, it's not just a transitory moment of power.

Dongraegu is here to stay. And Dongraegu is here to dominate.

He's better a macro player than Nestea, combined with the strategic brilliance of MVP, coupled with the dedication of a champion and the mindset of a bonjwa.


ehhhhhhhhh I don't know about that

Nope, I know, he's wrong.


The legacy of MVP's prime is overstated, and was embellished after the period itself(probably due to overzealous/passionate Starcraft 2 fans). Yes, he was the most dominant starcraft two player of all time so far, but I think Dongraegu surpasses his rivals in skill more than MVP ever did. MVP always had Nestea to worry(and lose) to, he struggled with Leenock, consistantly lost to MMA etc....

Dongraegu, right now, in my opinion which will have to be proven(so I may or may not be retarded), is more dominant skill wise. Eventually he'll be more dominant accomplishment wise, as we'll see with time.


Your facts are wrong -_- Mvp beat Nestea in every series they had except one, MMA was his only real rival. he lost to Leenock once. He's been in the ro4 at least in the past 5 or 6 GSL's. no one else has that consistency.


Look at my previous posts, Blizzcon MVP won 4-3(and Nestea had huge advantage last game.) Since Leenock came to prominence, MVP has multiple times to Leenock, including MLG Providence, GSL ro8(4?), etc.... Your facts are lacking as your limited to GSL I think.

Again I'd like to reiterate how I'm saying DRG is more "dominating" skill wise than MVP was, and how it still has to be proven but just my feeling.


No, just no. Mvp has beaten DRG in their only important encounter, has created so much more for terran than DRG has for zerg. DRG also just doesnt have the long term thinking shared by players like MVP and Flash, ive never seen him go into the game with a 50 miute game plan. And Mvp at his best straight up maphack, which is not something ive seen from DRG( i guess a patch recently fixed that tho). So i disagree with the strategic brilliance. I mean comon even Flash just said Mvp plays the game the same way he does rofl. And in term of achievement/domination, didnt Mvp just win a GSL with the worst race ?


Actually this is wrong.
DRG 2-0 MVP at Blizzard Cup.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
June 09 2012 02:37 GMT
#3655
On June 09 2012 11:36 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:35 sc14s wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:35 Noocta wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:34 Drazerk wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:33 Noocta wrote:
Not impressed.
Mech is trash ? What's new about that.

Marines will still kill everything and it's all I need.


All the good zerg units still exist


And none of them kill marines so i'm fine with that.
Zerg can spend all their gas making silly hydra or viper instead of Infestors or actual scary units.

you really do not understand what the cloud does do you?


Make me move 10 pixels ?


lol
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
ZeroSC2
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)668 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 02:37:53
June 09 2012 02:37 GMT
#3656
On June 09 2012 11:17 Irave wrote:
Byul wins 2-1 over KawaiiRice in OWR1


no surprise here. Though Kawaii has awesome TvZ
Flash
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
June 09 2012 02:37 GMT
#3657
On June 09 2012 11:36 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:35 sc14s wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:35 Noocta wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:34 Drazerk wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:33 Noocta wrote:
Not impressed.
Mech is trash ? What's new about that.

Marines will still kill everything and it's all I need.


All the good zerg units still exist


And none of them kill marines so i'm fine with that.
Zerg can spend all their gas making silly hydra or viper instead of Infestors or actual scary units.

you really do not understand what the cloud does do you?


Make me move 10 pixels ?

guess you never played BW =/
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
June 09 2012 02:37 GMT
#3658
i see viper/hydra being thenew bl/infestor..dark cloud + abduct == pwns all
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 09 2012 02:37 GMT
#3659
On June 09 2012 11:36 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:33 Jono7272 wrote:
I'm just going to go mass mines..


First HotS Funday Monday: Make your opponent ragequit by only attacking with Widow Mines

HotS Funday MCDayC: Make only mines.


No scvs allowed
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
June 09 2012 02:38 GMT
#3660
On June 09 2012 11:36 CortoMontez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:34 Mackus wrote:
On June 09 2012 11:33 Jono7272 wrote:
Charging ultras are going to be ridiculous :/


It wasn't mentioned that Ultralisks lost their passive ability so they can be stunned/snare in HOTS

Also ultras no longer have a damage bonus vs armoured, but instead vs light. So since they can be stunned maybe the thor's strike cannon would be effective against ultras?


Yes definitely, yet it remains to be seen how cannon is affected by charge >.>
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
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