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Roarer
Profile Joined December 2011
Hong Kong124 Posts
June 04 2012 00:37 GMT
#901
are there any way to obtain the replays from KSL?.?
Never argue with an idiot, cause they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience =﹏=
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 04 2012 00:39 GMT
#902
On June 04 2012 09:37 Roarer wrote:
are there any way to obtain the replays from KSL?.?

I doubt it. Never seen them before.
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Baalthersar
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany239 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 00:43:01
June 04 2012 00:42 GMT
#903
On June 04 2012 09:37 Roarer wrote:
are there any way to obtain the replays from KSL?.?


http://www.own3d.tv/event/ksl#/watch/656550
just the vods
Roarer
Profile Joined December 2011
Hong Kong124 Posts
June 04 2012 00:45 GMT
#904
On June 04 2012 09:42 Baalthersar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 09:37 Roarer wrote:
are there any way to obtain the replays from KSL?.?


http://www.own3d.tv/event/ksl#/watch/656550
just the vods


So...sad..... but thank you anyway ~ ~
Never argue with an idiot, cause they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience =﹏=
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
June 04 2012 01:06 GMT
#905
On June 04 2012 08:31 xY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 07:41 MasterKang wrote:
On June 04 2012 07:16 xY wrote:
On June 04 2012 07:09 MasterKang wrote:
On June 04 2012 06:57 xY wrote:
On June 04 2012 06:33 MasterKang wrote:
On June 04 2012 00:52 teamamerica wrote:
On June 04 2012 00:49 Waxangel wrote:
Justice can wait until another day I guess


If this is about MKP getting regame against Squirtle - MKP was ahead for a good amount of that game. Not far ahead, but supply/army stuff. He had a few bad engagements and lost that lead. Why does Squirtle get any autowin for having the game drop at the moment he was ahead - can't you count on MKP getting some good engagmenets and equilizing? Justice will be Blizzard putting fucking LAN in tournaments.


Tl;DR: Yes Parting did deserve an auto-win there because MKP has a 5% chance of coming back in that terrible position.


Except you left out half the story. Half of the army supply was in the Protoss base, there was one colossus vs. four viking with no anti-air, and that MarineKing had 10+ barracks producing at the same moment. Warpgates were not available as the he just warped in and if worse comes to worse, at the stage of the game (3-4 bases) MarineKing can also pull scvs to cover for the insane damage marines have and still be able to mule his way out. The only thing that happened was that MarineKing was put onto the defensive rather than him having complete map control and trying to break through the protoss' defense. The supply difference was obviously more than you generally expect because of the fact that the protoss just warped a round in.

You also only base everything off of two-dimensional stat lines where you don't consider where the army is, the micro, and many other factors to the game. I'm not necessarily saying that PartinG wouldn't have won the game; I just want to point out that you shouldn't even be arguing about this if you disregard so many possible variables to that game.


No anti-air? There were 3 archons with the army -_- And even if the collosus did die to the FOUR vikings, it would inflict insane damage to the terran army before it died, which would take forever btw with only four vikings.

Yes 10 barracks with 3 of them right next to the protoss army. Parting can also easily chronoboost his warpgates and it would only take 10-15 seconds to warp in a new round of chargelots to reinforce. So what does 7 barracks worth of production mean? It means about 5 marauders and 4 marines, and that's all about 5-15 seconds AFTER the disconnect happened. Tell me, what would 5 marauders and 4 marines do against templar WITH STORM.

I don't think you understand the futility of a terran's situation against templar with no ghosts UNLESS the terran has a bio ball big enough to take down the gateway units and archons by themselves, which in this case MKP does NOT. MKP didn't even have a single medivac. Are you kidding me? Even with MKP's ridiculous micro, his units would take damage just avoiding the storms and all the while chargelots/collosus/archons are closing their distance.

And your suggestion, to send all scvs to buffer, is actually something Parting would INVITE. Any decent terran player can tell you that sending scvs to fight against an army with archons and storm is literally the last thing you ever want to attempt in a starcraft game. Furthermore, even if MKP did manage to make some miraculous hold with all his scvs, do you know how many he would lose in the engagement? Meanwhile, Parting is happily mining off 4 bases with 65-70 probes and would end up with such a massive economic advantage that he would just wait for a couple rounds of units and just move out to deal the killing blow on MKP yet again.

I don't think you should be arguing if YOU'RE going to disregard the weight of some of the factors on the game (templar with storm, archons, scv's useless as a buffer against splash damage)


Again, like I said, half of the protoss army was not in position to attack. I think vikings can kite archons and take advantage of the defensive position with ledges and everything. There was no storm on the field except for templars in PartinG's base. If you want to say storm is available at the front, MarineKing might as well have built up an army already. I think PartinG was already chronoboosting all of his warpgates because MarineKing put on constant pressure and it was a series of trades before PartinG came out slightly ahead. Again, can you consider some of my arguments on positioning and the situation in the game rather than flat out looking at the tech tree and the supposedly potential power of a full protoss army.


The funny thing is, if I take positioning into account, it would actually prove my argument even more, rather than discredit it as you claim. "Half the protoss army was not in position to attack" I didn't realize that being outside the ramp of your opponent's ramp on Entombed and 10 seconds away from main terran production was considered "not in position to attack". In addition, there WERE at least two templar with storm on the field, not exactly sure why you're claiming there weren't...

Also, I truly don't understand why you're using the fact that "Parting was already chronoboosting all of his warpgates already" to support your argument. Even if that were true, that would simply mean that his warpgates were already speeding up on cooldown and is in an even better position than I previously claimed. If you are trying to make the argument that he has already used up his chronoboost energy on his warpgates and will be running out, please remember that Parting is on four nexus at this point. At that point in the game, Parting had almost every single essential upgrade already completed so at that point, excess chronoboost energy would definitely be present and ready for use. Again, I'd really like it if you considered the fact that with no ghosts out, only 4 vikings, and not a single medivac, terran really has no answer for a protoss army fully equipped with archons, a collosus, and at least two templar with storm. Sure, vikings can kite the archons but all Parting would have to do is move his collosus to the right/left flank of his army where the vikings would have to either risk getting hit by archon splash, or make a complete arc to circumvent the anti-air of Parting, which would take ages


Here, go watch this again before you keep out spouting nonsense. http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/314284087.
2:29:32.
No archons on the field. Huge engagement and the templars are most likely on the other side of the map to parry off drops because if that wasn't their purpose, they'd be with the main army in that huge fight. There are also no colossi on the field. There's 6 vikings to 1 warp prism; I think you know how that turns out.
Now here's the huge assumption that may make or break the argument. In previous production tab screens, MKP was producing about 7 marauders and 6 marines at the same time. IF I can assume the same, I don't think MKP will die, despite maybe losing the outer barracks.

Actually, forget what I said about the templars. In fact, I KNOW the templar were in the base because in previous screens, 6 templar was not in the composition and he just warped in them to stock up energy on them so he could defend. You can see this during 2:28:42 that only one templar is on the map. Now knowing that he just warped templars, I highly doubt he has many more available warpgates. My stance is simply that MarineKing was not dead at that point in time, and he wasn't because the templar were no where close to his base. Even if they warped into archons and walked to MKP's base, it would take a good amount of time and we all know how well MMM does against gateway units. You can also see before the camera cuts to the audience there's only about 3-4 zealots left and then there was a lot more when the screen came back. I am under the assumption PartinG just warped those in with his warp prism as well.

I can still understand if you change your mind because it was a very, very crazy game.


Thanks for showing me the video. Looks like we were both spewing nonsense before. You told me there was a collosus at home while I said there were archons during the DC, looks like they died immediately before the disconnect. Regardless, you can clearly see through this video that there is in fact a warp prism entering into MKP's production. Even if his warpgates were on cooldown, parting had the economy to warp in at least 10-12 chargelots directly into MKP's main once the cooldown disappeared, which is pretty much checkmate for terran relying on reinforcements to survive. And wow I just noticed too that partings on 5 bases too.

Like the other guy said, basically every pro gamer agreed that Parting had that game 100%, you can watch SOTG the verify. There's a reason that Startale argued the decision for half an hour, Parting spammed his keyboard in the chat when the DC happened and the startale team was cheering right before the DC, it's because MKP had thrown the game away.
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vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
June 04 2012 01:19 GMT
#906
wow this is still going on. If you're that desperate for a win then of course, Parting won that one time. MKP still crushes Startale with ease whenever he wants to.
Marines > everything
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 04 2012 01:22 GMT
#907
On June 04 2012 10:19 vnlegend wrote:
wow this is still going on. If you're that desperate for a win then of course, Parting won that one time. MKP still crushes Startale with ease whenever he wants to.


I agree MKP destroyed them today and that's all that matters, the GSTL finals doesn't mean anything anymore it was like 2 months ago. If Prime fans want a reason to say their team is better just point to today instead of then and no one is going to argue with you.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 04 2012 01:25 GMT
#908
On June 04 2012 10:22 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 10:19 vnlegend wrote:
wow this is still going on. If you're that desperate for a win then of course, Parting won that one time. MKP still crushes Startale with ease whenever he wants to.


I agree MKP destroyed them today and that's all that matters, the GSTL finals doesn't mean anything anymore it was like 2 months ago. If Prime fans want a reason to say their team is better just point to today instead of then and no one is going to argue with you.

it wasn't really a teaaammm game though to be honest. lol.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 01:27:03
June 04 2012 01:26 GMT
#909
On June 04 2012 10:25 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 10:22 Dodgin wrote:
On June 04 2012 10:19 vnlegend wrote:
wow this is still going on. If you're that desperate for a win then of course, Parting won that one time. MKP still crushes Startale with ease whenever he wants to.


I agree MKP destroyed them today and that's all that matters, the GSTL finals doesn't mean anything anymore it was like 2 months ago. If Prime fans want a reason to say their team is better just point to today instead of then and no one is going to argue with you.

it wasn't really a teaaammm game though to be honest. lol.


team polt of course

at least I think MKP is the only member of team polt.
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
June 04 2012 01:38 GMT
#910
Virus would have destroyed MKP. Rey should have sent him out over hack or ace.
Save me from myself
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
June 04 2012 01:50 GMT
#911
LOL MKP!!!
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 04 2012 01:52 GMT
#912
On June 04 2012 10:38 brokenLoL wrote:
Virus would have destroyed MKP. Rey should have sent him out over hack or ace.

July would have been a better choice
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 04 2012 01:55 GMT
#913
On June 04 2012 10:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 10:38 brokenLoL wrote:
Virus would have destroyed MKP. Rey should have sent him out over hack or ace.

July would have been a better choice

Korea vs. The World bro. HEEERRRROO JULLLLYYY! (Let's discard the fact that this was a long time ago)
kiss kiss fall in love
Kkxtrouble
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil575 Posts
June 04 2012 02:22 GMT
#914
On June 04 2012 10:55 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 10:52 opterown wrote:
On June 04 2012 10:38 brokenLoL wrote:
Virus would have destroyed MKP. Rey should have sent him out over hack or ace.

July would have been a better choice

Korea vs. The World bro. HEEERRRROO JULLLLYYY! (Let's discard the fact that this was a long time ago)

The was an awesome event, i wish they made another one.
The world almost won...damn you July!!!
I pledge myself to conquer all the foes who stand before the mighty gift bestowed in my unworthy hand
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 04 2012 02:25 GMT
#915
On June 04 2012 11:22 Kkxtrouble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 10:55 IntoTheheart wrote:
On June 04 2012 10:52 opterown wrote:
On June 04 2012 10:38 brokenLoL wrote:
Virus would have destroyed MKP. Rey should have sent him out over hack or ace.

July would have been a better choice

Korea vs. The World bro. HEEERRRROO JULLLLYYY! (Let's discard the fact that this was a long time ago)

The was an awesome event, i wish they made another one.
The world almost won...damn you July!!!

Thorzain/Stephano/Nani/Huk would probably be enough to put up a solid fight.
kiss kiss fall in love
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
June 04 2012 02:25 GMT
#916
Holy Moly MKP is a crazy beast
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
June 04 2012 03:29 GMT
#917
Can't wait till MKP wins his GSL title ^^
Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly - Bob Marley
Birdfood
Profile Joined May 2012
United States33 Posts
June 04 2012 03:32 GMT
#918
Dayummmmmm MKP owned ST LOL
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brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
June 04 2012 03:41 GMT
#919
On June 04 2012 11:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 11:22 Kkxtrouble wrote:
On June 04 2012 10:55 IntoTheheart wrote:
On June 04 2012 10:52 opterown wrote:
On June 04 2012 10:38 brokenLoL wrote:
Virus would have destroyed MKP. Rey should have sent him out over hack or ace.

July would have been a better choice

Korea vs. The World bro. HEEERRRROO JULLLLYYY! (Let's discard the fact that this was a long time ago)

The was an awesome event, i wish they made another one.
The world almost won...damn you July!!!

Thorzain/Stephano/Nani/Huk would probably be enough to put up a solid fight.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!!!!

Socke would be a better choice than that kid. I'd say Thorzain, Stephano, Naniwa, Socke, XiGua, Sen, IdrA, Scarlett, demuslim, qxc and Sheth.

User was temp banned for this post.
Save me from myself
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
June 04 2012 03:59 GMT
#920
Damn just watched vods and MKP raped ST, not even close, any game.
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