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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
April 11 2012 12:20 GMT
#1721
On April 11 2012 21:18 FinestHour wrote:
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On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O



Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no?


How many of those were tvp in the top 8, 4 or finals?


The final of IPL4 was a TvP? :p
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noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
April 11 2012 12:20 GMT
#1722
On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote:
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On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O



Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no?


Doesn't change the fact that TvP requires a lot more of the Terran than it does the Protoss once it gets to the mid/late game.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 12:21:24
April 11 2012 12:20 GMT
#1723
On April 11 2012 21:13 Hypemeup wrote:
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On April 11 2012 21:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:10 SeeKeR wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:08 Ketch wrote:
So sad that we always see bio, I want the mech option in TvP... gogo HoTS

Mech is so tricky though....
It's so immobile


yeah but hots terran get the anti mechanical mech unit that kills everything that protoss except for zealots whill will die to battle hellions who are being softened by tanks shelling.


That mechanical unit will die in 3 immortal shots. It will be armored :|

Game is still in alpha stage. Lots of things to balance and stuff. Don't need to worry now.

Thing is I still think that you can balance the game in late game for WoL. There's so much potential for changing Thors, Ravens and Battlecruisers so that they make more of an impact in the late game in both TvP and TvZ (now that Ghosts have been nerfed)
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 11 2012 12:20 GMT
#1724
On April 11 2012 21:16 pdd wrote:
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On April 11 2012 21:13 Kiyo. wrote:
I wonder if GOM is going to rethink these seeds. That's 3 players in a row that have gotten them and got last in their group and straight to Code A. Hopefully Naniwa at least gets third in his group.

Polt deserved it though. And it's not like he had an easy group. On a different day, he could have beaten Parting perhaps. Those games were close.


Polt played well against Parting, but didn't look very good against Oz. You can write off the first game as it was Oz going for the super greedy third into a lot of gates where Polt, who didn't see it coming for some reason, let it go up unchallenged and then had to go for a hail mary snipe without medivacs. Second game was just Oz outproducing Polt in the army supply and hitting at a perfect timing.

I wish he had used the hellion build on Daybreak against Oz as he did against Parting. If he did, it would have worked to perfection.

Polt should beat Sound and if not, he doesn't deserve Code A or S.
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Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
April 11 2012 12:21 GMT
#1725
Quite a bitter cast today. Not exactly joyful and enlightening.
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 11 2012 12:21 GMT
#1726
On April 11 2012 21:18 Huragius wrote:
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On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O



Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no?


Because that perfectly reflect state of TvP, no ?


The terrans who won these competitions won PvTs on the way there. Also terran is 60-40% over toss in Korea and 54-46% over toss internationally. What the hell more do you want? 70-30? 80-20?
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
April 11 2012 12:21 GMT
#1727
On April 11 2012 21:21 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Quite a bitter cast today. Not exactly joyful and enlightening.


That's what happens when you have children lol

Artosis new-dad rage!!
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Meself
Profile Joined February 2011
Estonia552 Posts
April 11 2012 12:21 GMT
#1728
I believe in Reptilians and I am offended!
Perfecto
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines156 Posts
April 11 2012 12:22 GMT
#1729
On April 11 2012 21:21 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:18 Huragius wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O



Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no?


Because that perfectly reflect state of TvP, no ?


The terrans who won these competitions won PvTs on the way there. Also terran is 60-40% over toss in Korea and 54-46% over toss internationally. What the hell more do you want? 70-30? 80-20?


He drone drone drone. I All in I win.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
April 11 2012 12:22 GMT
#1730
lol Artosis, obviously you practice for DongRaeGu by playing against MC's Zerg
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RandomAccount#106470
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
April 11 2012 12:23 GMT
#1731
--- Nuked ---
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 11 2012 12:23 GMT
#1732
what are they talking about, for DRG zvt you prac vs MC zerg then go 2-0
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Unfrozious
Profile Joined October 2011
France11 Posts
April 11 2012 12:23 GMT
#1733
On April 11 2012 21:17 Eufouria wrote:
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On April 11 2012 21:16 Unfrozious wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:14 Saiwa wrote:
Fin should learn to rally his units

He's really not the only Terran to do this. I think must of them never rally their unit and that's probably what makes the difference in PvT where the Protoss has always a Pylon right next to the fight.

I think its just that there is so much to do in these lategame battles. Its hard to look away or your army might get caught in a game ending storm.

If a Protoss can build a pylon within a fight I don't know why a Terran couldn't gather all his barracks on one shortcut and click somewhere near the battle happens.
Vast3r
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain1 Post
April 11 2012 12:24 GMT
#1734
What was Oz's build in game 1 against Fin?
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 11 2012 12:24 GMT
#1735
why does he have so few scv's ? :o
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
April 11 2012 12:24 GMT
#1736
On April 11 2012 21:22 Die4Ever wrote:
lol Artosis, obviously you practice for DongRaeGu by playing against MC's Zerg

Maybe MC is actually the best Zerg in the world.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 12:25:01
April 11 2012 12:24 GMT
#1737
On April 11 2012 21:21 tomatriedes wrote:
The terrans who won these competitions won PvTs on the way there. Also terran is 60-40% over toss in Korea and 54-46% over toss internationally. What the hell more do you want? 70-30? 80-20?


The winrate does not reflect that TvP lategame just feels so uninspiring. Neither is watching (or executing) the 1-1-1 over and over again.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 11 2012 12:24 GMT
#1738
On April 11 2012 21:23 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:19 HaXXspetten wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:18 Huragius wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O



Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no?


Because that perfectly reflect state of TvP, no ?

To be fair, only the IPL had a TvP in the finals, but still, I do think Terrans are exaggerating the situation a bit, just look at the latest winrate graphs, like 61% for Terran anyway :o


Naming tournaments where Terrans won is a very poor example of how balanced/unbalanced TvP is and that graph with such a small sample size is just a poor bullshit honestly. Also, don't want to start a balance discussion in LR thread so let's cut it out.


Yeah I guess your feelings trump any facts or statistics that we have. But yeah not this is not the place.
Perfecto
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines156 Posts
April 11 2012 12:24 GMT
#1739
On April 11 2012 21:24 HaXXspetten wrote:
why does he have so few scv's ? :o


Forge fast expand. like against zerg!
He drone drone drone. I All in I win.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 12:25:47
April 11 2012 12:25 GMT
#1740
On April 11 2012 21:21 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:18 Huragius wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:17 tomatriedes wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
TvP is looking to be so hard for the terrans. o_O



Terrans just won IPL 4, The Gathering, two MLGs and some other ones I can't remember. Little soon to be whining, no?


Because that perfectly reflect state of TvP, no ?


The terrans who won these competitions won PvTs on the way there. Also terran is 60-40% over toss in Korea and 54-46% over toss internationally. What the hell more do you want? 70-30? 80-20?

Terrans are more flexible and have better tools to win in the early-mid game.

Issue is Protosses can win in the early-mid game just as much as Terran can (just look at today for example, with that 8 gate after quick 2nd expo build). The game seems somewhat balanced in that sense, and Protosses are learning to deal with those early-mid game timings.

It's virtually impossible for Terran to win when Protosses get up to late game Colossi-chargelot- archon-templar compositions. That's just frustrating to watch as a viewer. (I mostly play Protoss)
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