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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt  soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear
I am no HerO fan (I criticized his selection, ate my words) and I do think Polt is the better player because of his history, but determining which player is better based on their head-to-head is crazy.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On March 01 2012 12:34 GreyKnight wrote:
also good job TL on not hyping it like crazy and spoiling it.
You know it only seems like hyping and spoiling it when the team you are playing against that typically tweets all day long completely ignored the match...
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On March 01 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:32 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? Usually you measure who the better player is by achievements and not by head to head score. I eventually can go very even in head to head score with a some players that are way better and way more constant than I am... so, I'd say they are better than me. Then i just want to say GSL Super Tournament CHAMPION! ro4 ro8 
Fruitdealer, GSL CHAMPION! ro8.
Yeah, thanks for quoting irrelevant facts. Polt's not even in Code S, and other than the Assembly win, what puts him in such an untouchable position?
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On March 01 2012 12:34 GreyKnight wrote:
also good job TL on not hyping it like crazy and spoiling it.
Thanks. We always try to hype the same amount no matter win or loss.
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On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear
So Polt is better than MMA?
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On March 01 2012 12:36 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear I am no HerO fan (I criticized his selection, ate my words) and I do think Polt is the better player because of his history, but determining which player is better based on their head-to-head is crazy.
then how would you base on a player who is better?
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On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other?
No, it doesn't. Are you serious? It's one matchup. Both of them have to play 3 matchups. It's one opponent. Both of them have to play many different opponents. Why is it not possible for one player's game to "counter" another's? Think of any other competitive activity ever. There are some opponents that just for whatever reason have your number and always beat you, even though you're probably a better all-around player. I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case for HerO and Polt. I'm just pointing out the glaringly obvious flaw in your thoughtprocess.
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On March 01 2012 12:37 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:32 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? Usually you measure who the better player is by achievements and not by head to head score. I eventually can go very even in head to head score with a some players that are way better and way more constant than I am... so, I'd say they are better than me. Then i just want to say GSL Super Tournament CHAMPION! ro4 ro8 Fruitdealer, GSL CHAMPION! ro8. Yeah, thanks for quoting irrelevant facts. Polt's not even in Code S, and other than the Assembly win, what puts him in such an untouchable position?
Because he is still top 5 terran in korea?
also fd's championship was 2 years ago, Polt played in code S more than 1 year.
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On March 01 2012 12:38 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:36 lichter wrote:On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear I am no HerO fan (I criticized his selection, ate my words) and I do think Polt is the better player because of his history, but determining which player is better based on their head-to-head is crazy. then how would you base on a player who is better?
I tend to base it on specific skills.
Macro
Micro
Decision-Making
They both seem pretty close in all catagories IMO.
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United States15275 Posts
On March 01 2012 12:38 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:36 lichter wrote:On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear I am no HerO fan (I criticized his selection, ate my words) and I do think Polt is the better player because of his history, but determining which player is better based on their head-to-head is crazy. then how would you base on a player who is better?
Total record, lineup of opponents in tournaments, how they defeated their opponents, specifics of playstyle, etc.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 01 2012 12:38 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:36 lichter wrote:On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear I am no HerO fan (I criticized his selection, ate my words) and I do think Polt is the better player because of his history, but determining which player is better based on their head-to-head is crazy. then how would you base on a player who is better?
Over-all results. That's why Polt is still the better player (winning IPL4 qualifiers, Assembly), but not because he beats HerO consistently. If HerO can get a good run in Code S next season and wins some other LAN, maybe they'll be even. But, like I said, head-to-head is meaningless compared to real results (ie tournament wins).
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On March 01 2012 12:38 kochujang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear So Polt is better than MMA?
Yes he is?
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On March 01 2012 12:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:34 GreyKnight wrote:
also good job TL on not hyping it like crazy and spoiling it. Thanks. We always try to hype the same amount no matter win or loss.
Good luck against FXO. You guys beat them in the NASTL, and I look forward to seeing you beat them again here.
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On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear
And I tried so hard not to call names. :-( lichter made my point above.
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On March 01 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:38 kochujang wrote:On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear So Polt is better than MMA? Yes he is?
Now dragonborn, Polt is a great player, and he was better than MMA back in the summer of 2011, but I don't think he is anymore. MMA's has turned into such a strong player that it would not be any stretch to call him the world's best player now that MVP has started to look very mortal (unfortunately due to his wrists )
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On March 01 2012 12:36 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? I think at the level that Hero and Polt are at, it doesn't take much to swing one player ahead in H2H matches. Polt tends to be very greedy in the early game. Hero may figure this out and beat him the next 10 games, like he beat him today. Who knows? Don't think that Polt is any better than Hero in regards to micro and decision making. Polt may be slightly better with macro, but that may also have alot to do with his relatively unsafe economic play etc. Either way, both players are incredible and fun to watch.
Tonight's game was played before Assembly and Polt destroyed HerO there.
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On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:13 ninjamyst wrote:
why can't HerO beat Polt when it really counts...like at Assembly! -__- good days, bad days? difference of circumstances? hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear
Keep insulting the community that you apprentlly enjoy interacting with (300+ posts) and see where that gets you.
Somehow I feel like I can already see your future! lol
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On March 01 2012 12:41 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:38 naux wrote:On March 01 2012 12:36 lichter wrote:On March 01 2012 12:34 naux wrote:On March 01 2012 12:30 BlondeOna wrote:On March 01 2012 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:17 Heinsenzerg wrote:On March 01 2012 12:16 dragonborn wrote:On March 01 2012 12:15 Heinsenzerg wrote:
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good days, bad days? difference of circumstances?
hmm... NASL show match 4-1 Polt won IPL4 Qualifiers 2-0 Polt won Assembly 2-0 Polt won Seems like HerO always have a bad day when he is playing with Polt soooooo....cheese? you stats-schooled me, kuddos no, im just saying Polt is better player than HerO. To be clear, you were demonstrating that Polt beats HerO head-to-head. That does nothing to demonstrate which player is "better". Right because when quote several high level tournament games that they've played, where one player has won convincingly in all of the matches, it doesn't demonstrate one is better then the other? LOLLLLLLLLL the person who says just because Polt beats HerO 1on1 doesnt mean his better is just straight ignorant .. i swear most TL fans and i mean MOST not all are just bandwagoners i swear I am no HerO fan (I criticized his selection, ate my words) and I do think Polt is the better player because of his history, but determining which player is better based on their head-to-head is crazy. then how would you base on a player who is better? Over-all results. That's why Polt is still the better player (winning IPL4 qualifiers, Assembly), but not because he beats HerO consistently. If HerO can get a good run in Code S next season and wins some other LAN, maybe they'll be even. But, like I said, head-to-head is meaningless compared to real results (ie tournament wins).
so lets just say if i beat you in starcraft 2 every single day every time we met each other on ladder tournaments blah blah blah... but if you won a tournament and got LUCKY in tournament brackets and faced off mroe easiler opponents you would consider yourself the better player? i dont know but that just doesnt sound to right?
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United States15275 Posts
I wouldn't say Polt is better than MMA, but if he continues his recent strong play he will definitely contend for a spot as a top 5 terran.
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On March 01 2012 12:40 dragonborn wrote:
Because he is still top 5 terran in korea?
also fd's championship was 2 years ago, Polt played in code S more than 1 year.
And Polt has struggled to break back into Code S.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players#tblt-6994-1-4-DESC
Top 5?
MMA, Alive, Mvp, MKP, Gumiho, GanZi, Jjakji, Supernova. To paraphrase a saying from other sports, Polt isn't fit to plug in their keyboards for them. He's a good player, and you've somehow hyped him up to be untouchable. One solid win at Assembly is hardly enough to elevate him to god status. And comparing their head to head is pure folly. MMA > Polt despite their questionable stats.
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