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On February 25 2012 10:53 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Actually, not a balance whine, but have there been any big korean upsets of Z or P beating a terran?
You mean has a foreigner Z/P ever beaten a Korean Terran? Idra vs Bomber at MLG Orlando for one. I'm sure others exist, but that's the main one that stands out to me. I guess Idra vs Boxer, but it's more of an "upset" Boxer took that to game 7 than Idra winning.
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On February 25 2012 10:51 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:49 mvtaylor wrote:
Leenock just lost a game to DDE?
What is this?
A nightmare. Nestea lost... Leenock drops a game to DDE. I hate hate hate to say it, but I'm starting to wonder if some of the BW people complaints are right. Casual pros beating hard-core 10+ hours a day pros? And it's not even that rare suddenly.
Just look at the games itselft and you will know that it's all about Code S pros play really bad.
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i have a hard time distinguishing the various nsheo protoss from eachother. Anyway, hope san shows some good games
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On February 25 2012 10:51 sickoota wrote:
Lol DDE, some Canadian kid in highschool playing part time, can beat leenock, a professional korean player. Sc2 is really depressing sometimes
jet lag
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Nestea usually does well in defending early game rushes. It's the late game that gets him frazzled. Not entirely sure why.
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On February 25 2012 10:53 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:51 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:On February 25 2012 10:49 mvtaylor wrote:
Leenock just lost a game to DDE?
What is this?
A nightmare. Nestea lost... Leenock drops a game to DDE. I hate hate hate to say it, but I'm starting to wonder if some of the BW people complaints are right. Casual pros beating hard-core 10+ hours a day pros? And it's not even that rare suddenly. SC2 being much more volatile with the lower skill ceiling isn`t really news. I think people will realize that more when the BW pros switch over.
Where is this information that BW pro's are switching over?
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On February 25 2012 10:52 Ruscour wrote:
woot Axslav gets HayprO LR1! he was so close to beating violet that haypro should be ez
Haypro is pretty good. Definitely won't be a free win.
Can't believe dde beat Leenock. This is hilarious.
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this is why i hate when zergs mass lings to kill hellions you have no idea how many hellions they could have you are just meta gaming -_-
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On February 25 2012 10:55 Tayar wrote:
i have a hard time distinguishing the various nsheo protoss from eachother. Anyway, hope san shows some good games
San I would say in current form is their best protoss player, followed by Sage. I think he has one or two Code S ro4 appearances also.
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On February 25 2012 10:52 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:51 sickoota wrote:
Lol DDE, some Canadian kid in highschool playing part time, can beat leenock, a professional korean player. Sc2 is really depressing sometimes Leenock is also a Korean Kid in high school playing part time :shock:
false, leenock is fulltime, as confirmed by fxoBOSS. Keep pulling shit out of your ass and hoping people will believe it though, its a good strategy for life in general.
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Hellions are pretty good huh :D
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 10:51 Noocta wrote:
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On February 25 2012 10:48 IntoTheheart wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:48 Asha` wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:48 IntoTheheart wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:46 Krallman wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:44 forsooth wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:39 Zzoram wrote:
So is mech suddenly viable in a match up now?
Mech has always been viable in TvZ and TvT...
and TvP
LOL no. Mech is horrible tvp
Why is that? If I had to guess, it'd be Immortals.
It's everything.
I don't understand. T_T
immortals, zealots, stalkers, hts, collosi, voidrays, dts.
literally almost every unit.
People haven't properly tried out mech vs protoss yet.
They did.
It sucks.
Wait for battlehellion and anti stalker goliath.
End of story.
Nobody who has the skill to pull it off has tried it.
They did and got ripped to shreds like everybody else....
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Only losing 8 drones to that is pretty damn good, and he only lost that many because he tried to fight with em at the last second.
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On February 25 2012 10:56 sickoota wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:52 ZeromuS wrote:On February 25 2012 10:51 sickoota wrote:
Lol DDE, some Canadian kid in highschool playing part time, can beat leenock, a professional korean player. Sc2 is really depressing sometimes Leenock is also a Korean Kid in high school playing part time :shock: false, leenock is fulltime, as confirmed by fxoBOSS. Keep pulling shit out of your ass and hoping people will believe it though, its a good strategy for life in general.
no need to correct someone so aggressively.
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On February 25 2012 10:51 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:49 Flanq wrote:On February 25 2012 10:45 Big J wrote:On February 25 2012 10:43 Hypemeup wrote:On February 25 2012 10:40 Big J wrote:TvZ lategame: Mech:2 Zerg:0 totally unwinable for Terran... lol  Now find me a single game where that happens outside of shakuras. and preferably one where the zerg does not defend a 11/11 reasonably well then waits patiently for terran to max out before throwing away armies for basically nothing. I was talking about Thorzain vs Sheth on daybreak right now And Thorzain was severly behind after a huge ling runby killing 25scvs, but hey whatever. Terran lategame is as strong as always and Mech is probably not even as figuered out as well as bio is. It's a pretty widely accepted fact that Mech is superior to Bio in TvZ, it's just ALOT harder to play, due to less mobility, less strength until higher supplies, etc. With the ghost nerf, hopefully Mech gets more developed. Also, DDE just beat Leenock. Huh? I have yet to see anyone say that Mech is superior to bio. Mech is easier to use then bio I would say. With bio not only do you have to macro really well, you have to micro well, drop and have really good multi tasking. Mech doesn't require hardcore micro like marines, a few banelings won't kill 30 thors for example while it can kill a ton of marines if the terran fucks up. For foreigners I imagine mech is stronger but bio from a korean terran is so much stronger then mech imo.
I think Mech in TvZ is similar to mech in TvT. Bio requires more multi-tasking, but mech is often a lot harder to play. It's a lot more unforgiving and every decision has more weight on it than when u play bio. It's also harder to play a scrappy game when behind playing mech (of course, the thorzain and demuslim games just then contradict this).
We'll have to see how mech involves before u can say either is stronger. It was developing at quite a fast rate b4 ppl started just relying on ghosts instead. Now hopefully the pros really grind it out.
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On February 25 2012 10:48 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:48 Asha` wrote:On February 25 2012 10:48 IntoTheheart wrote:On February 25 2012 10:47 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 25 2012 10:46 Krallman wrote:On February 25 2012 10:44 forsooth wrote:On February 25 2012 10:39 Zzoram wrote:
So is mech suddenly viable in a match up now? Mech has always been viable in TvZ and TvT... and TvP LOL no. Mech is horrible tvp Why is that? If I had to guess, it'd be Immortals. It's everything. I don't understand. T_T
The best range a a siege tank has to seige is approximately its maximum range + the time it takes for the tank to set up. So against zerg its about one screen away off creep, 1.5 screens on creep against standrad ling/bane, and a bit lower if its against roach.
For Protoss however, it is approximately 2 - 2.5 screens away just against chargelots or blink stalkers. At least 1.5 screens against immortal and colossi. You need the tanks staggered in such a way that colossi cannot hit multiple tanks, and at the same time close enough that they can all hit at the same time. Furthermore, tanks cannot hit immortals or they lose out about 30 damage a shot for every shot that is used on an immortal. Furthermore, marine marauder and medivac is able to sustain a lot more damage overtime, whereas there is nothing good for terran to tank with as hellions do negligable damage, so the toss should just focus down the tanks, approxinmtely 3 shots by an immortal. And to add to that, if the protoss goes star tech, carriers and phoenixes are both really great against mech compostions based around the tank, and even with templar/gateway tech, counters become stronger, dts become more effective and hts can feedback thors, storm clumped tanks/hellions and archons are also a great alternative to tanking tank shots instead of immortals. There is almost nothing a group of tanks is naturally good against except non-blink stalkers.
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No matter how much you practice but if you play bad you will lose. That's why Nestea and Leenock lost.
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On February 25 2012 10:53 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:49 Flanq wrote:On February 25 2012 10:45 Big J wrote:On February 25 2012 10:43 Hypemeup wrote:On February 25 2012 10:40 Big J wrote:TvZ lategame: Mech:2 Zerg:0 totally unwinable for Terran... lol Now find me a single game where that happens outside of shakuras. and preferably one where the zerg does not defend a 11/11 reasonably well then waits patiently for terran to max out before throwing away armies for basically nothing. I was talking about Thorzain vs Sheth on daybreak right now And Thorzain was severly behind after a huge ling runby killing 25scvs, but hey whatever. Terran lategame is as strong as always and Mech is probably not even as figuered out as well as bio is. It's a pretty widely accepted fact that Mech is superior to Bio in TvZ, it's just ALOT harder to play, due to less mobility, less strength until higher supplies, etc. With the ghost nerf, hopefully Mech gets more developed. Also, DDE just beat Leenock. well, if you have read TL in the last days (since the patch has been anounced) it rather sounded like it is widely accepted that Terran can't beat Zerg in the lategame (when Mech is strong) and that bio is the one and only build that requires skill in all of SC2, while anything else is just 1a or unit queing... But yeah, I completly agree with you.
Do you really like trolling LR threads with this bullshit?
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hrm how did thorzain let sheth save most of his drones there :s
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On February 25 2012 10:54 templar rage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:53 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Actually, not a balance whine, but have there been any big korean upsets of Z or P beating a terran? You mean has a foreigner Z/P ever beaten a Korean Terran? Idra vs Bomber at MLG Orlando for one. I'm sure others exist, but that's the main one that stands out to me. I guess Idra vs Boxer, but it's more of an "upset" Boxer took that to game 7 than Idra winning.
I want to say SaSe beat Bomber at MLG too.
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