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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Priority order. Series won Map score difference (wins minus losses) Head-to-Head score. As to whether or not that's a good system, that's up for debate and we'll happily take feedback on it once the post-mortem for this tournament comes out. However this is what we used this time and our results were correct on that basis, as were the speculations we made about Grubby and Ret. Thanks for watching. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:16 TotalBiscuit wrote: So the way we determine tiebreakers and who goes through is as follows. Priority order. Series won Map score difference (wins minus losses) Head-to-Head score. As to whether or not that's a good system, that's up for debate and we'll happily take feedback on it once the post-mortem for this tournament comes out. However this is what we used this time and our results were correct on that basis, as were the speculations we made about Grubby and Ret. Thanks for watching. I wanted Grubby to get first, but this is a perfect system and shouldn't be changed. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8541 Posts
 . Great casting duo (as usual I might say) | ||
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lycan
Netherlands67 Posts
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:14 Lysanias wrote: Well he had a sweet deal with Steelseries at that time. He has Twitch.tv now not sure if it's enough to suport him as a solo player though. People should never forget how successful Grubby was in WC3. Him and Moon were prone to bankrupting teams with their salaries. | ||
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WallieP
Netherlands425 Posts
*In my head its going: Grubby Grubby Grubby! hihi* | ||
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_Galad_
Greece184 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:16 TotalBiscuit wrote: So the way we determine tiebreakers and who goes through is as follows. Priority order. Series won Map score difference (wins minus losses) Head-to-Head score. As to whether or not that's a good system, that's up for debate and we'll happily take feedback on it once the post-mortem for this tournament comes out. However this is what we used this time and our results were correct on that basis, as were the speculations we made about Grubby and Ret. Thanks for watching. Some may argue that in the Grubby-Ret situation Grubby should take first place but imo in a group format exactly because you are in a group, that shouldn't be the case... Ret performed better than Grubby. Simple as that. And the system you are using ensures that the player who performs better takes the first place... I think it's perfectly fair... | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:20 [17]Purple wrote: People should never forget how successful Grubby was in WC3. Him and Moon were prone to bankrupting teams with their salaries. It would make no sense to invest money into this game if you could get paid instead. I doubt Grubby would resist a team if all he did was invest his own money, staying solo can not be that important. So i don't really know what your getting at. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:16 TotalBiscuit wrote: So the way we determine tiebreakers and who goes through is as follows. Priority order. Series won Map score difference (wins minus losses) Head-to-Head score. As to whether or not that's a good system, that's up for debate and we'll happily take feedback on it once the post-mortem for this tournament comes out. However this is what we used this time and our results were correct on that basis, as were the speculations we made about Grubby and Ret. Thanks for watching. So you are saying that if Grubby were to 2-0 Ret, he would indeed win the group. Let's summarize (in this hypothetical situation). Grubby: 2-1 Socke, 1-2 Cloud, 2-0 Ret: Total 2 series won and 2 map score difference (5-3). Ret: 2-0 Socke, 2-0 Cloud, 0-2 Grubby: Total 2 series won and 2 map score difference (4-2). They are tied on the first two counts and so Grubby should be ahead of Ret on head-to-head score, which is the third tiebreaker. Is there something I'm not getting? You were saying on stream that Ret was guaranteed first, but you seem to contradict yourself. I realise this is beating a dead horse at this point, it just seems like I'm blind. You say you were right but I don't see it. | ||
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graan
Germany589 Posts
sad that the german talent got knocked out  hope i can catch the tourney tomorrow ! | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
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EntropyFails
81 Posts
Anyway it doesn't matter as it was a 2-1 not a 2-0. I agree with you TheBB, in that hypothetical, Grubby gets first. But really, the big tourney sites should have options for these kinds of events so casters can concentrate on the games, not the tourney system.  | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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o)_Saurus
Germany260 Posts
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EntropyFails
81 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:38 TotalBiscuit wrote: UPDATE : We are pushing the tournament back to 2pm GMT to accommodate the player's sleeping schedules. So that's 2 hours later. GREAT idea! This will allow PST people like me to actually see the first part of the tourney! | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:38 EntropyFails wrote: TotalBiscuit is tired, give him a break. Anyway it doesn't matter as it was a 2-1 not a 2-0. I agree with you TheBB, in that hypothetical, Grubby gets first. But really, the big tourney sites should have options for these kinds of events so casters can concentrate on the games, not the tourney system. I'm tired too, and I'm heading to bed. This tournament, and TB, and Ret and Grubby, are all awesome anyway. I'm just an inbred pedant. But thanks for agreeing at least. | ||
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EntropyFails
81 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:39 o)_Saurus wrote: VoD or replays anywhere? As always, click the "video" section on TwitchTV to see the videos. Link to Vods for Lazy People | ||
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o)_Saurus
Germany260 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:41 EntropyFails wrote: As always, click the "video" section on TwitchTV to see the videos. Link to Vods for Lazy People thank you Sir. | ||
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
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