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Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
November 26 2011 12:02 GMT
#1361
On November 26 2011 20:58 ladyumbra wrote:

I was quite impressed by seiplo's macro especially when he was down probes after Huk's attack into his main game one. Even if he goes out vs hero he's gotten me interested in following him from now on. I think there are a lot of impressive EU players that I just don't get a chance to see if they aren't already well known.

Also wtf sweden why so many good protoss?


In general I'd say that Sweden is the second best country for SC2 players.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
Santiago4ever
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden299 Posts
November 26 2011 12:02 GMT
#1362
On November 26 2011 20:58 ladyumbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 20:52 MavivaM wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:44 Poyo wrote:
Not sure what to make of this. A no name comes in and beats some big names poised to win the whole thing.

Almost too volatile for my taste.


It happens when the no name plays better than the big name.
Seiplo's probe count has always been higher than Huk's.
In game one he was perfectly prepared for DTs, in game two he managed to balance his aggression/defense way better than Huk.

PvP in general dunno, but this match wasn't volatile.
DT vs robo in game one, exact same opening for both with the slight difference between blink vs observer in game two.

Having a big name doesn't necessarly mean having a free win against someone you don't know.
For what I know, maybe Seiplo has spent a lot of time training and winning.

This is (P)Seiplo for you.
And in DH he has already beaten Genius and TLO.
There are no major tournaments because he hasn't been invited anywhere and his team probably can't afford to send him to MLG etc.


I was quite impressed by seiplo's macro especially when he was down probes after Huk's attack into his main game one. Even if he goes out vs hero he's gotten me interested in following him from now on. I think there are a lot of impressive EU players that I just don't get a chance to see if they aren't already well known.

Also wtf sweden why so many good protoss?


Are you insinuating that we don't have any good zergs/terrans?
Ernest Hemingway once wrote: The world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part.
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 12:02:35
November 26 2011 12:02 GMT
#1363
Hero is the Bisu of PvZ in SC2! :D
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Lakai
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada315 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 12:02:45
November 26 2011 12:02 GMT
#1364
On November 26 2011 21:01 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 20:58 Talin wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:57 Logros wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:55 ninjamyst wrote:
HerO's PvZ is godly but he has lost many PvTs and PvPs. What's his record against Puma so far? It is even after his win against Puma in MLG?

I really don't see him beating Puma's TvP.


He already did at MLG.

Besides, the games between them were never really games where HerO's superior mechanics could shine through because of how messed up that matchup was for the last few months.

It's only a matter of time before it becomes obvious who is the better player.


What? No he didn't
MC beat Puma at MLG, not Hero

Hero is 1-4 vs Puma

edit: oh last mlg I forgot

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence

edit: I see your edit now :D
HerO - Minigun - MaNa - Puzzle - NonY - Axslav - MKP - DeMusliM - SeleCT - LosirA
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 12:03:01
November 26 2011 12:02 GMT
#1365
On November 26 2011 21:01 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 20:58 Talin wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:57 Logros wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:55 ninjamyst wrote:
HerO's PvZ is godly but he has lost many PvTs and PvPs. What's his record against Puma so far? It is even after his win against Puma in MLG?

I really don't see him beating Puma's TvP.


He already did at MLG.

Besides, the games between them were never really games where HerO's superior mechanics could shine through because of how messed up that matchup was for the last few months.

It's only a matter of time before it becomes obvious who is the better player.


What? No he didn't
MC beat Puma at MLG, not Hero

Hero is 1-4 vs Puma

edit: oh last mlg I forgot

Hero beat Puma 2-1 in the championship bracket
editted it before i responded
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yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
November 26 2011 12:02 GMT
#1366
So ... who is going to be the next person to make it into the Blizzard Cup!

I am hoping for either HerO or Ret. I wouldn't mind ToD either though. Nerchio would also be interesting.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
November 26 2011 12:02 GMT
#1367
This should probably be DRG's tournament now, maybe nerchio could give him a run for his money.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
November 26 2011 12:03 GMT
#1368
On November 26 2011 21:02 Whalecore wrote:
Hero is the Bisu of PvZ in SC2! :D


Didn't people say he kinda looked like Bisu and JaeDong? :D
arkedos
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1426 Posts
November 26 2011 12:03 GMT
#1369
wow I am still impressed, this could be a tournament which will be taken by a underdog. Amazing tournament so far.

I am strongly rootin for ret now. Would be nice for team liquid.
love esports - hate homophobia
terialk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States770 Posts
November 26 2011 12:03 GMT
#1370
On November 26 2011 21:03 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:02 Whalecore wrote:
Hero is the Bisu of PvZ in SC2! :D


Didn't people say he kinda looked like Bisu and JaeDong? :D


Yes, he's like their lovechild >.>
"This is not the beginning of an end. Instead, it is the end of a beginning." // Little Sprite Fan :D // Never go full China. // At least NA won at Dota 2.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
November 26 2011 12:03 GMT
#1371
What's the all time Head to Head for DRG vs Hero? Has he ever beaten him in a series other than the last round of Code B to qualify for that one GSL?
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 26 2011 12:03 GMT
#1372
On November 26 2011 21:02 yawnoC wrote:
So ... who is going to be the next person to make it into the Blizzard Cup!

I am hoping for either HerO or Ret. I wouldn't mind ToD either though. Nerchio would also be interesting.


Since my boys Sen and Sheth are out and there are already a shit ton of Zerg, I'm going to root for ToD provided he continues to own it up. Or HerO.
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 12:05:23
November 26 2011 12:04 GMT
#1373
PlayXPers are hating on the TLPD rankings without even understanding what ELO is. -_-

They also don't see that it has 2 seperate rankings for Korea and International....

YOU IGNORANT FOOLS
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 26 2011 12:04 GMT
#1374
On November 26 2011 21:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What's the all time Head to Head for DRG vs Hero? Has he ever beaten him in a series other than the last round of Code B to qualify for that one GSL?

4-3 DRG at MLG Anaheim, 1-0 DRG GSTL, 2-1 Hero in qualifiers I think, and 2-0 at dreamhack
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
November 26 2011 12:05 GMT
#1375
On November 26 2011 21:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What's the all time Head to Head for DRG vs Hero? Has he ever beaten him in a series other than the last round of Code B to qualify for that one GSL?

4-3 DRG at MLG Anaheim, 1-0 DRG GSTL, 2-1 Hero in qualifiers I think, and 2-0 at dreamhack

Thanks
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
November 26 2011 12:05 GMT
#1376
lol I don't think we were supposed to be able to hear Day9 and Bitter just then. O_o
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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
November 26 2011 12:05 GMT
#1377
On November 26 2011 20:56 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 20:52 SeaSwift wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:50 AxionSteel wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:47 mordk wrote:
On November 26 2011 20:46 AxionSteel wrote:
So yeah, protoss has no harrass options.



k.

You realize the advantage Hero had in order to make that harass viable right?

If anything, it's a bad BO decision by sheth. WP attacks counter early mutas hard, since you won't have enough units to defend properly.


He harrasses beautifully with amazing multitasking in every game he plays.


And yet still got crushed by DRG in this tournament and could barely get past Ret (definitely not a Top 5 Zerg) in MLG. His harass style is cute, but he needs to combine it with an old-age-MC style threat of terrifying 1-2base pushes to really do well.


One of those games was a nydus allin though, which isn't anything to do with his playstyle. MC is terrible against zerg, can't count how many zvp's he's lost in the last 4-5 months. The matchup is pretty hard for protoss in general, though. But i in a bo3/bo5 I agree you need to mix it up a bit.


That's what I meant by "old-age-MC". The MC that could outright win games in GSL vs Zergs with a 3gate sentry pressure before expand. The MC who invented or perfected half the timing attacks Protoss has. Not the MC whose gameplan for PvZ seems to be: "get a Stargate, fail to pressure with that then fall behind and die" or "Warp Prism sentry drop and hope Zerg doesn't know how to beat it".

If Hero mixed his macro games with the threat of a straight-up, no-holds-barred 7gate or a 4gate Nexus cancel every once in a while, he would be truly monstrous. As it is, he goes into every game with the same gameplan: expand, harass and macro up relying on micro. It's a really solid gameplan, but not scary enough: every Zerg knows what to expect. That's why MC had the best PvZ on the planet just a few months ago: his macro games using Stargate play were scary, but Zerg also feared his all-ins too.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
November 26 2011 12:05 GMT
#1378
On November 26 2011 20:55 SeaSwift wrote:
Hmm, from his stats Seiplo looks like a PvP sniper. Quite lucky for him given that his group stage was probably the easiest possible and he met HuK in the Ro16, but he does not stand a good chance against the likes of DRG or Puma.

DRG no, Puma perhaps. Seiplo focused 100% of his practice for DH on his vT and he said he now feel it's his best matchup.
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
November 26 2011 12:05 GMT
#1379
On November 26 2011 21:03 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:02 Whalecore wrote:
Hero is the Bisu of PvZ in SC2! :D


Didn't people say he kinda looked like Bisu and JaeDong? :D

jaedong hair bisu face...he was jaedongs teamate on Oz
Poisonblack
Profile Joined May 2011
452 Posts
November 26 2011 12:06 GMT
#1380
Nerchio vs Mana competing to see who's the better Polish player
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