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On November 26 2011 20:58 ladyumbra wrote:
I was quite impressed by seiplo's macro especially when he was down probes after Huk's attack into his main game one. Even if he goes out vs hero he's gotten me interested in following him from now on. I think there are a lot of impressive EU players that I just don't get a chance to see if they aren't already well known.
Also wtf sweden why so many good protoss?
In general I'd say that Sweden is the second best country for SC2 players.
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On November 26 2011 20:58 ladyumbra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 20:52 MavivaM wrote:On November 26 2011 20:44 Poyo wrote:
Not sure what to make of this. A no name comes in and beats some big names poised to win the whole thing.
Almost too volatile for my taste. It happens when the no name plays better than the big name. Seiplo's probe count has always been higher than Huk's. In game one he was perfectly prepared for DTs, in game two he managed to balance his aggression/defense way better than Huk. PvP in general dunno, but this match wasn't volatile. DT vs robo in game one, exact same opening for both with the slight difference between blink vs observer in game two. Having a big name doesn't necessarly mean having a free win against someone you don't know. For what I know, maybe Seiplo has spent a lot of time training and winning. This is  Seiplo for you. And in DH he has already beaten Genius and TLO. There are no major tournaments because he hasn't been invited anywhere and his team probably can't afford to send him to MLG etc. I was quite impressed by seiplo's macro especially when he was down probes after Huk's attack into his main game one. Even if he goes out vs hero he's gotten me interested in following him from now on. I think there are a lot of impressive EU players that I just don't get a chance to see if they aren't already well known. Also wtf sweden why so many good protoss?
Are you insinuating that we don't have any good zergs/terrans? 
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Hero is the Bisu of PvZ in SC2! :D
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On November 26 2011 21:01 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 20:58 Talin wrote:On November 26 2011 20:57 Logros wrote:On November 26 2011 20:55 ninjamyst wrote:
HerO's PvZ is godly but he has lost many PvTs and PvPs. What's his record against Puma so far? It is even after his win against Puma in MLG? I really don't see him beating Puma's TvP. He already did at MLG. Besides, the games between them were never really games where HerO's superior mechanics could shine through because of how messed up that matchup was for the last few months. It's only a matter of time before it becomes obvious who is the better player. What? No he didn't MC beat Puma at MLG, not Hero Hero is 1-4 vs Puma edit: oh last mlg I forgot 
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence
edit: I see your edit now :D
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On November 26 2011 21:01 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 20:58 Talin wrote:On November 26 2011 20:57 Logros wrote:On November 26 2011 20:55 ninjamyst wrote:
HerO's PvZ is godly but he has lost many PvTs and PvPs. What's his record against Puma so far? It is even after his win against Puma in MLG? I really don't see him beating Puma's TvP. He already did at MLG. Besides, the games between them were never really games where HerO's superior mechanics could shine through because of how messed up that matchup was for the last few months. It's only a matter of time before it becomes obvious who is the better player. What? No he didn't MC beat Puma at MLG, not Hero Hero is 1-4 vs Puma edit: oh last mlg I forgot
Hero beat Puma 2-1 in the championship bracket
editted it before i responded 
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So ... who is going to be the next person to make it into the Blizzard Cup!
I am hoping for either HerO or Ret. I wouldn't mind ToD either though. Nerchio would also be interesting.
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This should probably be DRG's tournament now, maybe nerchio could give him a run for his money.
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On November 26 2011 21:02 Whalecore wrote:
Hero is the Bisu of PvZ in SC2! :D
Didn't people say he kinda looked like Bisu and JaeDong? :D
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wow I am still impressed, this could be a tournament which will be taken by a underdog. Amazing tournament so far.
I am strongly rootin for ret now. Would be nice for team liquid.
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On November 26 2011 21:03 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 21:02 Whalecore wrote:
Hero is the Bisu of PvZ in SC2! :D Didn't people say he kinda looked like Bisu and JaeDong? :D
Yes, he's like their lovechild >.>
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What's the all time Head to Head for DRG vs Hero? Has he ever beaten him in a series other than the last round of Code B to qualify for that one GSL?
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On November 26 2011 21:02 yawnoC wrote:
So ... who is going to be the next person to make it into the Blizzard Cup!
I am hoping for either HerO or Ret. I wouldn't mind ToD either though. Nerchio would also be interesting.
Since my boys Sen and Sheth are out and there are already a shit ton of Zerg, I'm going to root for ToD provided he continues to own it up. Or HerO.
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PlayXPers are hating on the TLPD rankings without even understanding what ELO is. -_-
They also don't see that it has 2 seperate rankings for Korea and International....
YOU IGNORANT FOOLS
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On November 26 2011 21:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What's the all time Head to Head for DRG vs Hero? Has he ever beaten him in a series other than the last round of Code B to qualify for that one GSL?
4-3 DRG at MLG Anaheim, 1-0 DRG GSTL, 2-1 Hero in qualifiers I think, and 2-0 at dreamhack
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On November 26 2011 21:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 21:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What's the all time Head to Head for DRG vs Hero? Has he ever beaten him in a series other than the last round of Code B to qualify for that one GSL? 4-3 DRG at MLG Anaheim, 1-0 DRG GSTL, 2-1 Hero in qualifiers I think, and 2-0 at dreamhack
Thanks
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lol I don't think we were supposed to be able to hear Day9 and Bitter just then. O_o
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On November 26 2011 20:56 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 20:52 SeaSwift wrote:On November 26 2011 20:50 AxionSteel wrote:On November 26 2011 20:47 mordk wrote:On November 26 2011 20:46 AxionSteel wrote:
So yeah, protoss has no harrass options.
k.
You realize the advantage Hero had in order to make that harass viable right? If anything, it's a bad BO decision by sheth. WP attacks counter early mutas hard, since you won't have enough units to defend properly. He harrasses beautifully with amazing multitasking in every game he plays. And yet still got crushed by DRG in this tournament and could barely get past Ret (definitely not a Top 5 Zerg) in MLG. His harass style is cute, but he needs to combine it with an old-age-MC style threat of terrifying 1-2base pushes to really do well. One of those games was a nydus allin though, which isn't anything to do with his playstyle. MC is terrible against zerg, can't count how many zvp's he's lost in the last 4-5 months. The matchup is pretty hard for protoss in general, though. But i in a bo3/bo5 I agree you need to mix it up a bit.
That's what I meant by "old-age-MC". The MC that could outright win games in GSL vs Zergs with a 3gate sentry pressure before expand. The MC who invented or perfected half the timing attacks Protoss has. Not the MC whose gameplan for PvZ seems to be: "get a Stargate, fail to pressure with that then fall behind and die" or "Warp Prism sentry drop and hope Zerg doesn't know how to beat it".
If Hero mixed his macro games with the threat of a straight-up, no-holds-barred 7gate or a 4gate Nexus cancel every once in a while, he would be truly monstrous. As it is, he goes into every game with the same gameplan: expand, harass and macro up relying on micro. It's a really solid gameplan, but not scary enough: every Zerg knows what to expect. That's why MC had the best PvZ on the planet just a few months ago: his macro games using Stargate play were scary, but Zerg also feared his all-ins too.
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On November 26 2011 20:55 SeaSwift wrote:
Hmm, from his stats Seiplo looks like a PvP sniper. Quite lucky for him given that his group stage was probably the easiest possible and he met HuK in the Ro16, but he does not stand a good chance against the likes of DRG or Puma.
DRG no, Puma perhaps. Seiplo focused 100% of his practice for DH on his vT and he said he now feel it's his best matchup.
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On November 26 2011 21:03 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 21:02 Whalecore wrote:
Hero is the Bisu of PvZ in SC2! :D Didn't people say he kinda looked like Bisu and JaeDong? :D
jaedong hair bisu face...he was jaedongs teamate on Oz
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Nerchio vs Mana competing to see who's the better Polish player
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