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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:

- NO Balance Whine.
- NO Player Bashing.
- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.

Breaking these rules (from pg 166 forward) will be met with severe punishment.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8761
mech is go to TvZ strat for this map.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8762
On November 21 2011 06:45 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 06:38 Dreamer.T wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:35 Caddy wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:31 HowardRoark wrote:
How come MVP doesn't have any fans? Being the best player in the world ought to count for something, and earn him some fans? If MKP or Huk would have been the best, they would have tons of fans. It is a bit weird, he is always well-spoken, doesn't cheat and don't cheese, he is pure talent, but still, as he said himself, he doesn't have many fans.

He definitely has fans, judging by this thread alone, but there's maybe a bunch of reasons why he isn't the most popular with the fans.

First of all, he is the best. He'll get huge respect for that, definitely, but people like underdogs. People also don't like to see the same person win everything.

Secondly, he doesn't show emotion. I actually quite like that, because it's very professional and it means he can keep calm and not play on tilt. However, that lack of emotion doesn't translate well to fans. Fans like when you can see how much a win / loss means to a player.

I think it's the same in any sport, really.

I do think MVP has a huge amount of respect though. I'm a Protoss fanboy but I'll openly admit MVP is a fantastic player. You don't get that good by just being lucky.


I'd like to add, that Flash (the greatest RTS gamer in history) also went through the same things as MVP. During his reign, when no one could beat him, people were actually joking he might destroy e-sports because of how boring the scene had become. It's the same thing with MVP.


The difference with Flash and MVP (apart from Flash being an RTS genius) is that people universally acknowledge Flash to be the greatest player of his era, and arguably the greatest BW player ever (and some would argue, like me, that he's the greatest RTS player in history).

As you can see in this thread, there are people who think MVP isn't even the best T in the world. Huge difference. It's a fucking joke, because there's no denying that MVP is the greatest SC2 Terran to date.


mvp won't be able to reach flash level in sc2, not until SC2 expansions are out and add more depth to the game and raise skill ceiling to further differentiate skill levels... hes very mortal ex: mma and nani and haypro who I feel he is a more complete player but the difference is not that big tbh
chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8763
On November 21 2011 06:48 Shurayuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 06:46 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:43 JohnMatrix wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:42 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Who is FXOLeenock? Has he ever come to MLG before?

Gonna be funny/sad if some random dude comes into the championship and takes the 50K over all the other plays who came to every MLG.


Leenock random dude LOL ? hes maybe one of the next best zerg of korea


I meant it that he has never come to MLG. I don't watch Korean SC so I have never seen him before.

Just kinda undermines the whole grand championship thing if some guy can not participate the whole season yet still show up and take the big prize. Sorta like NASL, they do like 3000 matches, and then some guy who never played in NASL takes the big prize, making the 3000 placement matches pointless.


Leenock has been around and good ever since the very first GSL

yeah well...TLers are complaining about their favorite players losing only because of tiredness or whathaveyou so...

Leenock just rolls that way, Minors fighting.


I think people have a point.. It should be very difficult for Open bracket none seeded players to advance...

seedd players should be able to choose the maps.., is one way of giving advantage to the seeded players..
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8764
i dont know who to cheer for in this game
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sharktopus.
Profile Joined April 2011
United States456 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8765
Is naniwa the only toss left?
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8766
Leenock's sim looks pretty beautiful.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8767
On November 21 2011 06:48 emjaytron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 06:46 Fearest wrote:
damn how many games did MVP played


probably only a few more than leenock

Leenock has actually played more today.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8768
On November 21 2011 06:48 SeaSwift wrote:
(You have a Marine symbol next to your name)


All accounts default to the Terran icons.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
kslghost
Profile Joined June 2011
246 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8769
I do think MLG needs to rethink it's championship tournament format. It is INCREDIBLY biased towards the championship bracket players. At least force them to do pool play for seeding - it still gives them a big advantage and seeds still matter. The fact that a player who never won an MLG this season can simply win the championship in potentially as few as 6 wins vs. the completely ridiculous number an open bracket player has to play through is kind of crazy. Allowing open players to earn the right to get into the late championship bracket by winning the open brackets and dominating pool play was the redeeming factor in the tournament structure anyways.

wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8770
On November 21 2011 06:47 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 06:43 wats0n wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:40 StarStruck wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:39 wats0n wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:36 StarStruck wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:35 wats0n wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:33 Forestka wrote:
Haypro wins the 7th/8th Place match with Idra by DQ. #MLG xd


Or maybe he's actually a nice guy in real life?

$750 difference between 7th and 8th means a lot more for Hayder than Idra and Idra did a nice thing. Plus he never shows up for those consolation matches on principle.


No. Greg has said in the past that he doesn't care for consolation finals and placing so much. Look at the other MLGs where he's done this before. It's the same story man.

He doesn't give a shit. He just wants to win.


You just repeated what I said back to me...


It's not the same thing.

There's a difference between not giving a shit and having a competitive edge to not participate in a consolation rather than playing the nice guy card.


I said he never shows up to consolation matches you repeated it back to me after I said it.

And he knows how much that match was worth and what Hayder stood to gain. If it was somebody he didn't like he would not have given them that money. Hence the "maybe."


...

Look at the whole rather than the half and you'll know which part I'm addressing.

Yes, he would. Hayder and Greg aren't good friends man. What you said is very presumptuous. IdrA isn't donating to Hayder's charity.

It's as I called it. He doesn't give a shit and he never shows up for consolation finals as a result.

There are no maybe's. It's his character.


That's just your opinion. What you're saying is just as presumptuous so spare me the argument of your opinion over mine when I at least qualified mine with "maybe" and you're just spouting nonsense as absolutes. Annoying much?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#8771
On November 21 2011 06:45 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 06:38 Dreamer.T wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:35 Caddy wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:31 HowardRoark wrote:
How come MVP doesn't have any fans? Being the best player in the world ought to count for something, and earn him some fans? If MKP or Huk would have been the best, they would have tons of fans. It is a bit weird, he is always well-spoken, doesn't cheat and don't cheese, he is pure talent, but still, as he said himself, he doesn't have many fans.

He definitely has fans, judging by this thread alone, but there's maybe a bunch of reasons why he isn't the most popular with the fans.

First of all, he is the best. He'll get huge respect for that, definitely, but people like underdogs. People also don't like to see the same person win everything.

Secondly, he doesn't show emotion. I actually quite like that, because it's very professional and it means he can keep calm and not play on tilt. However, that lack of emotion doesn't translate well to fans. Fans like when you can see how much a win / loss means to a player.

I think it's the same in any sport, really.

I do think MVP has a huge amount of respect though. I'm a Protoss fanboy but I'll openly admit MVP is a fantastic player. You don't get that good by just being lucky.


I'd like to add, that Flash (the greatest RTS gamer in history) also went through the same things as MVP. During his reign, when no one could beat him, people were actually joking he might destroy e-sports because of how boring the scene had become. It's the same thing with MVP.


The difference with Flash and MVP (apart from Flash being an RTS genius) is that people universally acknowledge Flash to be the greatest player of his era, and arguably the greatest BW player ever (and some would argue, like me, that he's the greatest RTS player in history).

As you can see in this thread, there are people who think MVP isn't even the best T in the world. Huge difference. It's a fucking joke, because there's no denying that MVP is the greatest SC2 Terran to date.


Nor has he been as dominant as a guy like Flash. This is why calling someone the best in SC2 right now is silly especially when the lines are just going to continue to blur.
YodaGoneMad
Profile Joined April 2011
United States58 Posts
November 20 2011 21:51 GMT
#8772
On November 21 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 06:47 julianto wrote:
On November 21 2011 06:42 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Who is FXOLeenock? Has he ever come to MLG before?

Gonna be funny/sad if some random dude comes into the championship and takes the 50K over all the other plays who came to every MLG.

That's how it's been for the majority of the MLG's....


There are currently no player left who have been to every mlg.

Nani has been to all but 1
MVP has been to 1
DRG has been to 2
Leenock has been to none

Exactly, at least the other guys have participated in MLG in some way. Anyway, just funny to call it the GRAND CHAMPIONSHIP OMG when a guy who never played at MLG can just come and take all the money.
That's how I roll!
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
November 20 2011 21:51 GMT
#8773
On November 21 2011 06:48 paschl wrote:
[image loading]

meh. but i think you see where im going with this.



Funny shit!
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
November 20 2011 21:51 GMT
#8774
Nice building positionng for leenock
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
November 20 2011 21:51 GMT
#8775
Not the drooones
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
November 20 2011 21:51 GMT
#8776
On November 21 2011 06:47 _vladimir_ wrote:
Wait why are people mentioning Naniwa when talking for Code S spot, isnt it this time reserved for Koreans only, like it was every MLG, or this time everyone can get it?
Would be a bit waste of the slot if its like that, considering he failed so many times winning first match of Code A over and over again..


Code S has never been Korean only, Coda A is non Korean only, it's just that Koreans have been finishing best (except Orlando, but Huk already had Code S)
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
November 20 2011 21:52 GMT
#8777
On November 21 2011 06:48 zmansman17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 06:47 _vladimir_ wrote:
Wait why are people mentioning Naniwa when talking for Code S spot, isnt it this time reserved for Koreans only, like it was every MLG, or this time everyone can get it?
Would be a bit waste of the slot if its like that, considering he failed so many times winning first match of Code A over and over again..


What Naniwa is def Code S quality. What are yu saying?


That's debatable, being hot for one tournament doesn't entirely erase his horrible showings in the GSL's he participated in
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Attilanator
Profile Joined March 2011
United States154 Posts
November 20 2011 21:52 GMT
#8778
MVP got this. Half the reason I hope he wins, though, is so we don't have to see extended series vs DRG should Naniwa win the upper bracket match.
MC | HuK | TLO |WhiteRa | Tyler | DIMAGA | Naniwa | Boxer | Strelok | HerO Hwaiting!
PinaryB
Profile Joined January 2011
Estonia148 Posts
November 20 2011 21:52 GMT
#8779
lol they missed main drop
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 20 2011 21:52 GMT
#8780
Leenock has a timing with mutas though.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
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