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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 15:35:41
October 21 2011 15:34 GMT
#1461
Khaldor: mouzMaNa vs mouzbiGs
Hireling: mouzMaNa vs mouzbiGs
Mori: mouzMaNa vs mouzbiGs
Shoutcraft: mouzMaNa vs mouzbiGs
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
lardroom
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1017 Posts
October 21 2011 15:34 GMT
#1462
Khaldor is actually very pretty.
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
October 21 2011 15:34 GMT
#1463
On October 22 2011 00:34 lardroom wrote:
Khaldor is actually very pretty.

every boys dream
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
October 21 2011 15:34 GMT
#1464
The funny thing is that MKP actually did the same build to Haypro at MLG and beat him with it.
mighty_honour_korea
Profile Joined March 2010
Scotland198 Posts
October 21 2011 15:34 GMT
#1465
Grubby vs. NightEnD

+ Show Spoiler +
2-0 for Grubby. It's between him and Stephano now to see who comes #1 in the group.
SpectralFremen
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia386 Posts
October 21 2011 15:35 GMT
#1466
Love Mana goooo mana!!!!
"And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere"
Saiwa
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany789 Posts
October 21 2011 15:35 GMT
#1467
This was Fremdschämen deluxe for Haypro ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM_P7eLbY48&feature=player_detailpage#t=359s YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS TO ME CLIDE ! Artosis
marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
October 21 2011 15:35 GMT
#1468
On October 22 2011 00:32 Ahelvin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 00:31 hewley wrote:
I just don't know what to say. Is this strategy viable or is Haypro just so shocked seeing a gold float that he is panicking?

It's a gamble. You straight up die to a pool first if scouted, but you have a strong advantage facing an hatch first.

He anticipated that Haypro would hatch first (who doesn't in ZvT?) and it paid.


The advantage vs Hatch first is not that strong to be honest. MKP probably just used the strategy because I was very sure that even if it failed he would win the 3rd game against Haypro.
jazzyjazz
Profile Joined October 2010
941 Posts
October 21 2011 15:35 GMT
#1469
who's mouzgibs?
Eat emmmmmmmmmm
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
October 21 2011 15:35 GMT
#1470
On October 22 2011 00:33 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 00:32 Ahelvin wrote:
On October 22 2011 00:31 hewley wrote:
I just don't know what to say. Is this strategy viable or is Haypro just so shocked seeing a gold float that he is panicking?

It's a gamble. You straight up die to a pool first if scouted, but you have a strong advantage facing an hatch first.

He anticipated that Haypro would hatch first (who doesn't in ZvT?) and it paid.

Why would you die to a pool first lol?
There is a nice wall-off and then you will have a decent number of marines.
I think pool first is even worse... (if MKP scout it)

That's true for a 14 pool, but since the most economical gasless/pool opening is the 11 overpool, it can do damage to the Terran before the rax is online.
Join the Liquipedia Zerg Project ! PM me for more information :).
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
October 21 2011 15:36 GMT
#1471
On October 22 2011 00:34 mighty_honour_korea wrote:
Grubby vs. NightEnD

+ Show Spoiler +
2-0 for Grubby. It's between him and Stephano now to see who comes #1 in the group.


Weeeeeeeee! That made my.... hour. Love Grubby and wish him all the best. I have no doubt he can stir up some trouble vs. Stephano aswell.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 21 2011 15:36 GMT
#1472
On October 22 2011 00:35 jazzyjazz wrote:
who's mouzgibs?


biGs, Zerg from Switzerland, he's quiet good.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
F u r u y a
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil173 Posts
October 21 2011 15:36 GMT
#1473
On October 22 2011 00:28 coolyou wrote:
humiliation

godlike
Ravnemesteren
Profile Joined May 2011
224 Posts
October 21 2011 15:36 GMT
#1474
On October 22 2011 00:32 Ahelvin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 00:31 hewley wrote:
I just don't know what to say. Is this strategy viable or is Haypro just so shocked seeing a gold float that he is panicking?

It's a gamble. You straight up die to a pool first if scouted, but you have a strong advantage facing an hatch first.

He anticipated that Haypro would hatch first (who doesn't in ZvT?) and it paid.


Well, pool first is nearly NEVER used in ZvT.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
October 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#1475
On October 22 2011 00:35 jazzyjazz wrote:
who's mouzgibs?

Bigs, not gibs.

Swiss Zerg player from Mousesports. Ex-WC3. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/BiGs
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
October 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#1476
On October 22 2011 00:35 Ahelvin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 00:33 Poopi wrote:
On October 22 2011 00:32 Ahelvin wrote:
On October 22 2011 00:31 hewley wrote:
I just don't know what to say. Is this strategy viable or is Haypro just so shocked seeing a gold float that he is panicking?

It's a gamble. You straight up die to a pool first if scouted, but you have a strong advantage facing an hatch first.

He anticipated that Haypro would hatch first (who doesn't in ZvT?) and it paid.

Why would you die to a pool first lol?
There is a nice wall-off and then you will have a decent number of marines.
I think pool first is even worse... (if MKP scout it)

That's true for a 14 pool, but since the most economical gasless/pool opening is the 11 overpool, it can do damage to the Terran before the rax is online.

The only person to ever do 11overpool to terran is Destiny, and even he stopped doing it. If you're going gasless play, hatch first is 10x better and safer (overpool can't hold the nat against proxy rax either).
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
October 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#1477
On October 22 2011 00:36 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 00:32 Ahelvin wrote:
On October 22 2011 00:31 hewley wrote:
I just don't know what to say. Is this strategy viable or is Haypro just so shocked seeing a gold float that he is panicking?

It's a gamble. You straight up die to a pool first if scouted, but you have a strong advantage facing an hatch first.

He anticipated that Haypro would hatch first (who doesn't in ZvT?) and it paid.


Well, pool first is nearly NEVER used in ZvT.

See the bolded part, I was not saying anything different :p.
Join the Liquipedia Zerg Project ! PM me for more information :).
Surriel
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom198 Posts
October 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#1478
What stream are you guys watching that shows MKP? I just tuned in TB and Khaldor and they both are casting the mana vs bigs game.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#1479
Strelok 2-0 MoMaN
Sleeep (turkish!) 2-1 Deny
SjoW 2-0 ParanOid
Jarlaxle 2-0 raZIel
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
ARNHOE
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 15:38:27
October 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#1480
Any news on Grubby vs NIghtEnd?

After refreshing for long time, and just after my comment the liquidpedia is updated.

Sorry for wasting some bandwidth!
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