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Keep enjoying the games. In advance, if you OP whine, see you in a while. If you post well, hopefully see a lot more of you :D <3
Kroml
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey308 Posts
October 04 2011 04:43 GMT
#2021
On October 04 2011 13:43 Dexington wrote:
Practicing with Demuslim must be paying off


practicing with PuMa must be paying off too
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
October 04 2011 04:43 GMT
#2022
On October 04 2011 13:42 Hider wrote:
Are people seriously whining over mules cus of that game? Both players were effectively mining from like 1 base the last 20 mins of the game. Idras income was barely any higher than pumas.

They were both denying expansions/mining. Idra was doing it arguably a lot more efficiently because he moved drones, remade expansions, etc. Puma lifted orbitals and it was enough to keep him even. It's okay for balance but it isn't particularly entertaining and it doesn't feel good.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2023
On October 04 2011 13:42 andaylin wrote:
how did people like that game? mostly boring during the last 30 minutes. i guess its the idra effect, but puma's TvZ is way too passive. i guess i watch too much mvp/mma/mkp insane level TvZ

Just cause there were no entire army fights doesn't make it boring. There was plenty of harass from both of them as well as small army engagements that made it interesting.
This is the tale of Captain Jack Sparrow!
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10063 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2024
On October 04 2011 13:43 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 13:41 AdreN- wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:40 TT1 wrote:
puma is down 0-2 but i cant see him losing this series
he outplayed idra so hard in g2, just loss cus of the map

You trolling? I usually enjoy your posts but c'mon. The normal IdrA would have ragequit in G2 but he played it out. I could easily see IdrA losing this series, but saying that you "can't see" IdrA winning 1 out of 3 games is pretty ridiculous... Especially when it's cross map on Shakuras.


TT1 actually hates IdrA IRL. I remember he said he wanted to physically punch him in the face. Hes usually pretty awesome in live threads, but if hes drunk its a whole other story lol.



uhh i dont hate idra, plz dont put words in my mouth ^^
all im saying is after watching g2 i could see how big the skill gap was
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Mayor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States472 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2025
Wow super smart play by Puma, starting up the 2 hellions in the factory when IdrA's lings were going to go back up the ramp, but then cancelling them when he kills the lings. Awesome.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler
InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2026
Nice spine placement.
Welcome to earth.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2027
omg idra making me so happy! :D
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Courstice
Profile Joined May 2011
United States473 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2028
On October 04 2011 13:43 bwally wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 13:42 Courstice wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:39 KimJongChill wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:38 icarly wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:34 Veritask wrote:
The fact that a terran can stay in the game with 16 scvs is a fundamental flaw in this game


Use common sense.

With protoss macro mechanics, they will have more probes than terran and make them faster.

Therefore if a protoss lost the same amount of probes as Puma had he wouldn't have 16 probes hed have over 30.

A zerg can build 20+ drones at a time at this stage of the game.

Everyone is so quick to point out mules because it's easy to see, but just use your brain and stop crying.


True, but Mules let you get free minerals. You can't make drones if you're broke.


MULEs don't make minerals appear out of nowhere. MULEs are very fast money yes, but they do not come without a price. More MULEs = less money late game and as you just saw from that previous game Puma was starving at the end...because of MULEs.


Good thing orbitals can fly.


You can't drop MULEs when Orbitals are flying.
Senorcuidado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States700 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2029
i don't even recognize idra today, awesome play. i wish puma would have done something about that infestor on the high ground though.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2030
Please close this out right now IdrA. I can see him tilting if he doesn't win this game.
Haplo
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany67 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2031
These games are so worth skipping sleep!
My god and not only the games are so tense, the knowledge that Idra could "gg" at any point... Idra fighting!
ryan1894
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia264 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2032
On October 04 2011 13:42 Courstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 13:39 KimJongChill wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:38 icarly wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:34 Veritask wrote:
The fact that a terran can stay in the game with 16 scvs is a fundamental flaw in this game


Use common sense.

With protoss macro mechanics, they will have more probes than terran and make them faster.

Therefore if a protoss lost the same amount of probes as Puma had he wouldn't have 16 probes hed have over 30.

A zerg can build 20+ drones at a time at this stage of the game.

Everyone is so quick to point out mules because it's easy to see, but just use your brain and stop crying.


True, but Mules let you get free minerals. You can't make drones if you're broke.


MULEs don't make minerals appear out of nowhere. MULEs are very fast money yes, but they do not come without a price. More MULEs = less money late game and as you just saw from that previous game Puma was starving at the end...because of MULEs.


He could've taken another base.

1) MULE's are ENERGY. They are free minerals in terms of "you don't need to do anything to get these minerals except for cast a spell"
2) Supply Drops ADD 100 MINERALS to the map. In some situations this is worth it over a MULE.

There were at least 6 expos that were not used at all. I guess the map is pretty hard to defend though.
esc0bar
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada112 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2033
Can't believe I'll miss the finals.. leaving for work in 4 hours.
GiggleFairy
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia331 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2034
It looks like Idra is really strong mentally in these games. In the last game I swear i saw at least 4-5 times where Idra would throw out a gg, but no he kept in it. Idra looking beastly!
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2035
Nice scouting there by idra
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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2036
The real nice surprise in this series is Idra's attitude. He hasn't ragequit this whole tournament and held the pressure in that last game very well. This coming from an Idra Anti-fan
Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2037
On October 04 2011 13:43 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 13:43 Dexington wrote:
Practicing with Demuslim must be paying off


He also practices against Puma.

His ZvP isn't as good though... Wonder why


HAHA good one! Poor iNcontroL
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 04:45:01
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2038
On October 04 2011 13:43 Kroml. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 13:43 Dexington wrote:
Practicing with Demuslim must be paying off


practicing with PuMa must be paying off too


Depends if he has practiced with puma that much lately. Idra hates US-Korean practice because of the latency.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2039
On October 04 2011 13:43 trikshun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 13:39 Cyrak wrote:
Puma's play has really decayed since leaving TSL. This is not the same guy that beat MC at NASL.

He helps MVP, Top and all these other players train for important matches. Its still the same bro

Source? I know he used to be a practice partner in BW but I'm not sure about sc2.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#2040
On October 04 2011 13:43 babo213 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 13:42 andaylin wrote:
how did people like that game? mostly boring during the last 30 minutes. i guess its the idra effect, but puma's TvZ is way too passive. i guess i watch too much mvp/mma/mkp insane level TvZ

That's kind of how I feel about the series so far. Playing passively is what Idra wants.


He was as aggressive as he could be considering he coudlnt afford to lose his army. If he attacks into Idra with everything he has he would probably win the fight but not have enough units left to kill him and Idra would be able to remake his army and Puma woudlnt and Idra would win.
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