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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On August 24 2011 05:43 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: This will be STUPIDLY SICK Predictions: Nestea (pretty good maps) Nada Puzzle HongUn So...that didn't go so well, huh? | ||
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
On August 25 2011 11:11 Condor Hero wrote: and thats why Nestea isn't Bonjwa (or the perverted version of Bonjwa Sc2 fans like to think he is). He's not even the best player on his own team. The number 1 player losing to the number 2 player is not surprising (especially when it is their respective worst and best match-ups). Flash doesn't relinquish any claim to bonjwa status if he loses a bo3 Jaedong. | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:06 whatthefat wrote: The number 1 player losing to the number 2 player is not surprising (especially when it is their respective worst and best match-ups). Flash doesn't relinquish any claim to bonjwa status if he loses a bo3 Jaedong. No but it does prove Nestea has never dominated for more than 3 weeks and it's it seems to win he has to dodge all the best terrans.(mma MVP etc). Doesn't sound very bonjwalike to me. His nonexistent bonjwa status remains the same :/ | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:10 Jinivus wrote: No but it does prove Nestea has never dominated for more than 3 weeks and it's it seems to win he has to dodge all the best terrans.(mma MVP etc). Doesn't sound very bonjwalike to me. His nonexistent bonjwa status remains the same :/ He's number 1 in the TLPD Elo ratings. He has won 3 GSLs. One without a single loss. His overall winrate in SC2 is 70.3%. Compare that to Flash at 72.1% and Jaedong at 68.0% in BW. He's achieved a 20 win streak in code S. I'm not really sure what people are expecting. No player is ever going to win every single game in every single tournament. No player ever did that in BW and no player will ever do it in SC2. | ||
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Truefire
United States226 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:06 whatthefat wrote: The number 1 player losing to the number 2 player is not surprising (especially when it is their respective worst and best match-ups). Flash doesn't relinquish any claim to bonjwa status if he loses a bo3 Jaedong. When, flash got his title, he was dominating everyone for that time period, including Jaedong. | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:35 whatthefat wrote: He's number 1 in the TLPD Elo ratings. He has won 3 GSLs. One without a single loss. His overall winrate in SC2 is 70.3%. Compare that to Flash at 72.1% and Jaedong at 68.0% in BW. He's achieved a 20 win streak in code S. I'm not really sure what people are expecting. No player is ever going to win every single game in every single tournament. No player ever did that in BW and no player will ever do it in SC2. Get a back to back win (no 2 code s in a row doesn't count, super tourney is still GSL) or two and dominate for more than a month. That's what I'm expecting of a "bonjwa". People said the same stuff when MC won 2 titles and I'm of the opinion that if Nestea is a bonjwa MVP and MC already were. MC had won 2 titles and dreamhack and copenhagen, boasting 70 percent + winrates in korea and international at one time. Also yes nesteas winrate is 70 percent but he hasn't played 600 games now has he? | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:35 whatthefat wrote: He's number 1 in the TLPD Elo ratings. He has won 3 GSLs. One without a single loss. His overall winrate in SC2 is 70.3%. Compare that to Flash at 72.1% and Jaedong at 68.0% in BW. He's achieved a 20 win streak in code S. I'm not really sure what people are expecting. No player is ever going to win every single game in every single tournament. No player ever did that in BW and no player will ever do it in SC2. I could sit here and type a bunch of shit but Nestea himself said he can't be considered close to SC2 bonjwa until he wins a ton more GSLs so I don't see the point of your argument. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:10 Umpteen wrote: I like watching July. Too many Zergs drone like a teenage boy beating off in his room with one eye on the door in case his mum comes up the stairs, and then has to try and shove everything back in his pants at the last second when she does. With July, it's like he's noisily banging his girlfriend while yelling downstairs that his goddamn dinner had better be ready when he's done. This definitely cannot be quoted enough, IMO. JulyZerg is a crazy guy, and man do I wish there were more Zerg players like him. The only others I can think of with the same amount of brilliant insanity are Dimaga, DRG, and Mondragon, all excellent BW Zergs as well. One can only imagine the analogy Jaedong can get if he ever plays SC2. | ||
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
My point is that MVP beating Nestea in a single BO3 supports neither of the following statements: (i) Nestea is not a bonjwa. (ii) MVP is better than Nestea. Whether you want to call Nestea a bonjwa or not, I don't really care. But I do take issue with the careers of BW bonjwas being seen through rose-tinted glasses. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On August 25 2011 13:22 Condor Hero wrote: I could sit here and type a bunch of shit but Nestea himself said he can't be considered close to SC2 bonjwa until he wins a ton more GSLs so I don't see the point of your argument. I think if Nestea can get his ZvT to be able to compete with MVP, then he will be a good candidate. He's undeniably the best player against zerg and protoss, and he performs adequately against mid-tier ZvT, but has a tough time against top-tier ZvT. | ||
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StarcraftKevin
United States285 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:10 KoTakUEurO wrote: HuK better win GSL after taking out NaDa!  u can do it!2/4 LB Voted NaDa and Puzzle Interesting | ||
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StarcraftKevin
United States285 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:10 Umpteen wrote: I like watching July. Too many Zergs drone like a teenage boy beating off in his room with one eye on the door in case his mum comes up the stairs, and then has to try and shove everything back in his pants at the last second when she does. With July, it's like he's noisily banging his girlfriend while yelling downstairs that his goddamn dinner had better be ready when he's done. I praise thee | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:35 whatthefat wrote: He's number 1 in the TLPD Elo ratings. He has won 3 GSLs. One without a single loss. His overall winrate in SC2 is 70.3%. Compare that to Flash at 72.1% and Jaedong at 68.0% in BW. He's achieved a 20 win streak in code S. I'm not really sure what people are expecting. No player is ever going to win every single game in every single tournament. No player ever did that in BW and no player will ever do it in SC2. Yup I have to agree with this. I am not saying that Nestea should be considered a Bonjwa now, but I think people shouldn't look at the fact that he isn't unbeatable. At the same time, it doesn't look good when a player like MVP can continually shut him down, even though MVP is an amazing player. Nestea having a relatively weak matchup does not help. | ||
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Kalent
Canada253 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:35 whatthefat wrote: He's number 1 in the TLPD Elo ratings. He has won 3 GSLs. One without a single loss. His overall winrate in SC2 is 70.3%. Compare that to Flash at 72.1% and Jaedong at 68.0% in BW. He's achieved a 20 win streak in code S. I'm not really sure what people are expecting. No player is ever going to win every single game in every single tournament. No player ever did that in BW and no player will ever do it in SC2. You're seriously comparing winrates in SC2 and BW? SC2 winrates are a bubble. Nestea's play doesn't even touch the genius plays of Flash. No insult to Nestea, but SC2 will have to develop far more to be able to compare with top BW players. Also, I think it's too early to consider anyone a Bonjwa yet. | ||
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
oGsMC IMLosira TSL_JYP SlayerS_Taeja NSO_Jjajki oGsSupernova TSL_Trickster (eh) Zenex Byun Leenock Ganzi/Marineking I know this is a little offtopic from Code S but has anyone looked at up and down matches yet?! LOOK AT THESE FUCKING INSANE PLAYERS I didn't even include players like Yoda, Check. Only two per group would make it out. This is going to be INSANEEEEEEEEEEE. Do any of the players I listed NOT deserve Code S?!?!?!? | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
post of the month by far But julys play in those games were absolutely dominating and brutal. Exactly how zerg should be played | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 25 2011 14:52 Kalent wrote: You're seriously comparing winrates in SC2 and BW? SC2 winrates are a bubble. Nestea's play doesn't even touch the genius plays of Flash. No insult to Nestea, but SC2 will have to develop far more to be able to compare with top BW players. Also, I think it's too early to consider anyone a Bonjwa yet. Not to mention, being consistently stomped by a player and being 1-8 against him is a pretty big tell that you're not yet a bonjwa. | ||
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:10 Umpteen wrote: I like watching July. Too many Zergs drone like a teenage boy beating off in his room with one eye on the door in case his mum comes up the stairs, and then has to try and shove everything back in his pants at the last second when she does. With July, it's like he's noisily banging his girlfriend while yelling downstairs that his goddamn dinner had better be ready when he's done. Hahaha, this made my day! Great analogy! :D | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:10 Umpteen wrote: I like watching July. Too many Zergs drone like a teenage boy beating off in his room with one eye on the door in case his mum comes up the stairs, and then has to try and shove everything back in his pants at the last second when she does. With July, it's like he's noisily banging his girlfriend while yelling downstairs that his goddamn dinner had better be ready when he's done. LOOOOOOOOL That was sooooooo funny, hahahah. JULY FIGHTING! | ||
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