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On July 20 2011 19:23 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:23 Noktix wrote: So can we call game 2 an all-in now? Considering this was the same thing. No? Building probes + economy + tech is not all in?
The game is over. You can sugar coat it all you want, Losira defended the attack and Tester will lose the game for it....
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Losira's failure to capitalize on his advantages and insistence on T1 units is actually very infuriating. Too many people just let Protoss build up after an advantage and just lose horribly.
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On July 20 2011 19:23 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:23 Noktix wrote: So can we call game 2 an all-in now? Considering this was the same thing. No? Building probes + economy + tech is not all in? He basically lost the game when his attack failed. That's an all-in. Tester is just delaying the inevitable.
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I have to say, the SC2 community's definition of an "all-in" is pretty much distorted.
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i don't understand how you zergs keep insisting crossfire is absolutely the shittiest map when it has a favorable advantage for z in all matcups and no korean zerg players are vetoing it.
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On July 20 2011 19:20 MilesTeg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:14 Drey wrote: Crossfire ZvP: 33-23 (58.9%), not that imba imo Wonder how many of these were roach ling. Do you really think a map full of choke points doesn't favour protoss in the late game? IMO it's a very bad map for ZvP.
And it's incredibly bad map for TvZ, but somehow I don't see Zergs talking about map imbalance when they are playing ZvT. Overall, this is one of the more favoured zergs map, so stop the whine with double standards.
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LOL RET,thats + 30 extra apm right there
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Poor Ret. That's not something you should tell everyone.
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muta coming, shoit tester you lost
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On July 20 2011 19:25 Noktix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:23 Medrea wrote:On July 20 2011 19:23 Noktix wrote: So can we call game 2 an all-in now? Considering this was the same thing. No? Building probes + economy + tech is not all in? The game is over. You can sugar coat it all you want, Losira defended the attack and Tester will lose the game for it.... He was ahead in probes after that and hes getting a third. Its not over yet.
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Losira can't be throwing away units...
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On July 20 2011 19:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:19 RoieTRS wrote:On July 20 2011 19:17 Skyze wrote:On July 20 2011 19:15 RoieTRS wrote:On July 20 2011 19:13 Skyze wrote:On July 20 2011 19:12 cassurai wrote: admittedly, this map is ridiculous for zerg. Yea, what is it like 75% win rate for zerg on that map? its ridiculous. Pretty ignorant. that map limits a zerg's options and forces him to either 1) be agressive with shitty baneling all-ins or shitty roach/hydra timing attacks 2) pray to god you somehow get broodlords at a reasonable time by forcing P to turtle with ling runby's Stats dont lie. The fact Losira veto'd XNC and was fine playing on that map along with the high zerg winrate (at least 10% higher than P) shows that the only zergs who feel that map is bad for zerg is foreigners. Korean zergs always show great results on it and dont even veto it out. statistics don't mean anything in regards to balance. People fuck up. proxy gating is done by pros all the time despite being a terrible strategy. Yet it wins. Stats don't tell the whole story, and assuming any balance concern by evidencing statistics is stupid Then I guess looking at games objectively from person to person is a better idea? what??? The only people I hear complaining about the map are people who have never played on it competitively.
Expert opinion is the closest thing to perfect play we have, and the only thing that matters when discussing balance.
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On July 20 2011 19:25 Kommander wrote: I have to say, the SC2 community's definition of an "all-in" is pretty much distorted. Generally it means an attack that needs to work or the attacker loses the game. Everything (all) is in the one attack.
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Losira is gonna win this =)
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Losira really has this game but he's kind of throwing units away right now. Should be more ahead
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If you throw away the game losira... ><.
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On July 20 2011 19:25 Kettchup wrote:Poor Ret. That's not something you should tell everyone. 
He's color blind. It's not like he has some deadly or embarrassing disease >.>
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sigh. Tell tester that 1 colossus doesnt mean u can move out
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On July 20 2011 19:24 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:20 MilesTeg wrote:On July 20 2011 19:14 Drey wrote: Crossfire ZvP: 33-23 (58.9%), not that imba imo Wonder how many of these were roach ling. Do you really think a map full of choke points doesn't favour protoss in the late game? IMO it's a very bad map for ZvP. And how many of those protoss wins were gateway rushes? The map has a really hard 3rd base for protoss and terran and it is amazing for muta play and ling counters. Statistics don't lie, crossfire is a good map for zerg.
Agree, not saying that winning as Zerg on that map is easy but it's not impossible. Losira just played that the wrong way. Im a Zerg btw.
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Ok he had a chance but after that attack he's dead.
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