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Live report thread equals no balance whining; Balance whining equals warnings and bans!
Noktix
Profile Joined May 2011
United States492 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#821
On July 20 2011 19:23 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:23 Noktix wrote:
So can we call game 2 an all-in now? Considering this was the same thing.


No? Building probes + economy + tech is not all in?


The game is over. You can sugar coat it all you want, Losira defended the attack and Tester will lose the game for it....
pandaminion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States270 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#822
Losira's failure to capitalize on his advantages and insistence on T1 units is actually very infuriating. Too many people just let Protoss build up after an advantage and just lose horribly.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#823
On July 20 2011 19:23 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:23 Noktix wrote:
So can we call game 2 an all-in now? Considering this was the same thing.


No? Building probes + economy + tech is not all in?

He basically lost the game when his attack failed. That's an all-in. Tester is just delaying the inevitable.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#824
I have to say, the SC2 community's definition of an "all-in" is pretty much distorted.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#825
i don't understand how you zergs keep insisting crossfire is absolutely the shittiest map when it has a favorable advantage for z in all matcups and no korean zerg players are vetoing it.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#826
On July 20 2011 19:20 MilesTeg wrote:
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On July 20 2011 19:14 Drey wrote:
Crossfire ZvP: 33-23 (58.9%), not that imba imo


Wonder how many of these were roach ling. Do you really think a map full of choke points doesn't favour protoss in the late game? IMO it's a very bad map for ZvP.


And it's incredibly bad map for TvZ, but somehow I don't see Zergs talking about map imbalance when they are playing ZvT. Overall, this is one of the more favoured zergs map, so stop the whine with double standards.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 10:25:35
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#827
LOL RET,thats + 30 extra apm right there
Cackle™
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#828
Poor Ret. That's not something you should tell everyone.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#829
muta coming, shoit tester you lost
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#830
On July 20 2011 19:25 Noktix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:23 Medrea wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:23 Noktix wrote:
So can we call game 2 an all-in now? Considering this was the same thing.


No? Building probes + economy + tech is not all in?


The game is over. You can sugar coat it all you want, Losira defended the attack and Tester will lose the game for it....

He was ahead in probes after that and hes getting a third. Its not over yet.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45937 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#831
Losira can't be throwing away units...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
July 20 2011 10:25 GMT
#832
On July 20 2011 19:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:19 RoieTRS wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:17 Skyze wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:15 RoieTRS wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:13 Skyze wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:12 cassurai wrote:
admittedly, this map is ridiculous for zerg.


Yea, what is it like 75% win rate for zerg on that map? its ridiculous.

Pretty ignorant. that map limits a zerg's options and forces him to either
1) be agressive with shitty baneling all-ins or shitty roach/hydra timing attacks
2) pray to god you somehow get broodlords at a reasonable time by forcing P to turtle with ling runby's


Stats dont lie. The fact Losira veto'd XNC and was fine playing on that map along with the high zerg winrate (at least 10% higher than P) shows that the only zergs who feel that map is bad for zerg is foreigners. Korean zergs always show great results on it and dont even veto it out.


statistics don't mean anything in regards to balance. People fuck up. proxy gating is done by pros all the time despite being a terrible strategy. Yet it wins. Stats don't tell the whole story, and assuming any balance concern by evidencing statistics is stupid

Then I guess looking at games objectively from person to person is a better idea? what??? The only people I hear complaining about the map are people who have never played on it competitively.


Expert opinion is the closest thing to perfect play we have, and the only thing that matters when discussing balance.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
July 20 2011 10:26 GMT
#833
On July 20 2011 19:25 Kommander wrote:
I have to say, the SC2 community's definition of an "all-in" is pretty much distorted.

Generally it means an attack that needs to work or the attacker loses the game. Everything (all) is in the one attack.

romanov
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 10:26:57
July 20 2011 10:26 GMT
#834
Losira is gonna win this =)
Animostas
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States568 Posts
July 20 2011 10:26 GMT
#835
Losira really has this game but he's kind of throwing units away right now. Should be more ahead
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
July 20 2011 10:26 GMT
#836
If you throw away the game losira... ><.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45937 Posts
July 20 2011 10:26 GMT
#837
On July 20 2011 19:25 Kettchup wrote:
Poor Ret. That's not something you should tell everyone.


He's color blind. It's not like he has some deadly or embarrassing disease >.>
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Tommie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
China658 Posts
July 20 2011 10:26 GMT
#838
sigh. Tell tester that 1 colossus doesnt mean u can move out
Being a ho doesn't automatically make you "immoral" or a bad person, but it does make you a ho.
jackdaleaper
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines1216 Posts
July 20 2011 10:26 GMT
#839
On July 20 2011 19:24 flodeskum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:20 MilesTeg wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:14 Drey wrote:
Crossfire ZvP: 33-23 (58.9%), not that imba imo


Wonder how many of these were roach ling. Do you really think a map full of choke points doesn't favour protoss in the late game? IMO it's a very bad map for ZvP.

And how many of those protoss wins were gateway rushes?

The map has a really hard 3rd base for protoss and terran and it is amazing for muta play and ling counters. Statistics don't lie, crossfire is a good map for zerg.


Agree, not saying that winning as Zerg on that map is easy but it's not impossible. Losira just played that the wrong way. Im a Zerg btw.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
July 20 2011 10:26 GMT
#840
Ok he had a chance but after that attack he's dead.
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