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Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
June 25 2011 19:43 GMT
#7181
On June 26 2011 04:41 FinnGamer wrote:
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On June 26 2011 04:40 clusen wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:38 FenneK wrote:
machine always looks so happy

and sase looks like he's 17 what is he talking about 'when i was young'

Sase is 24

Like ToD said, "He doesn't age"

He does. He just ages like an asian woman.
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
June 25 2011 19:43 GMT
#7182
On June 26 2011 04:42 Antithesis wrote:
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On June 26 2011 04:24 MassIncestor wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:22 OneOther wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:21 alepov wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:19 lunchforthesky wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:18 ramon wrote:
naniwa played great in all 3 games, so proud of him


First game, build order win for Naniwa.
Second game, build order win for Naniwa but he managed to lose.
Third game he played better.

Third game is BO win too lol, they didn't have proper info and just made stuff. The stuff that one guy made was better in a direct battle than the other guys stuff. :D No real skill was on display in that game.

...i dont even know what to say to this


It's starcraft man

everyone makes stuff and then someone wins

NO SKILL INVOLVED

I need to quote this for the extensive lols i had irl.

Crush your opponent being ahead in upgrades 2-0? Just random stuff you made man, no skill involved.

Yeah, what do decision making means? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
SC2, rip in pepperinos
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
June 25 2011 19:43 GMT
#7183
Nani casting.. Awesame. Thats actually a awesame trio. Just seemes abit stiff still. But with some time hopefully they all will loosen up abit!
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
June 25 2011 19:43 GMT
#7184
On June 26 2011 04:42 mholden02 wrote:
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On June 26 2011 04:34 mholden02 wrote:
MC has great mechanics, great player. But naniwa's decision making is superb, top 2-3 in the world. Nestea type decision making.

I don't like giving Protoss compliments, but the guy makes expert decisions time and time again. Well done dude.
MC is a far better player than Naniwa, it's not close. He's much more consistant, has won far more tournaments and is better in every matchup.


Please. Foreigners are catching up to the Koreans. Koreans have an infrastructure/starcraft build in advantagr ATM, but its slowly changing.


It's not changing. The skill difference is much bigger now than it was in Beta or early release.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
June 25 2011 19:43 GMT
#7185
On June 26 2011 04:42 mholden02 wrote:
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On June 26 2011 04:34 mholden02 wrote:
MC has great mechanics, great player. But naniwa's decision making is superb, top 2-3 in the world. Nestea type decision making.

I don't like giving Protoss compliments, but the guy makes expert decisions time and time again. Well done dude.
MC is a far better player than Naniwa, it's not close. He's much more consistant, has won far more tournaments and is better in every matchup.


Please. Foreigners are catching up to the Koreans. Koreans have an infrastructure/starcraft build in advantagr ATM, but its slowly changing.

Please, is that why mlg and dreamhack was korean domination? (besides huk, who lives in korea ofc)
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
June 25 2011 19:43 GMT
#7186
On June 26 2011 04:32 Kettchup wrote:
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On June 26 2011 04:28 oskarla wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:25 lunchforthesky wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:21 anatem wrote:
sick series.

boring as hell game 3 though, sit back on two base and let the tech choices made blidnly without any scouting decide the winner irrespective of macro, micro, or positioning. a game that doesn't show anything about the winner unfortunately, i felt a lot better about Nani in game 1 where he outplayed MC as opposed to this crap.


Naniwa didn't outplay MC in game one. It was a build order win. That's why PvP is so stupid, most games aren't decided by skill but by which build order you blindly picked, the reason MC is so good in PvP (as opposed to basically anyone else) is that he is able to win often when his build order is worse than the others guys (see game 2 in this series).

I agree with you, first game came down to decision making but in the last game Naniwa just out-microed MC tbh.


The micro didn't matter much. It was the 2-0 upgrade advantage that won it for Naniwa, no amount of micro could have overcome that. Seems MC's big weakness is not having good upgrade timings as it was a large part of his loss to Thorzain as well.


This is so true. If anything is wrong with MC's games it's his use of upgrades. He often doesn't get them at all or when he does he prioritizes the wrong one. Seen him a fair number of times go 3-0 in PvT for example where everyone knows that armor is as good or perhaps even better then attack there (gateway vs MMM).
Game 3 vs naniwa he opened brilliantly with the fake 4 gate, however it was stupid he went 2 sentries himself afterwards as that really throws away the advantage of a fake 4 gate. After that he was still in fine shape, slightly later expo but more probes. Then he goes blink afterwards in a robo war.. that's just terrible.

Game 2 was awesome from MC though, DT tech is quite good these days. Against a few strats it wins on the spot like stargate or a slow blink build. Against robo itself it's not even that bad, often the obs is out of the base which can be spotted quite easily and then the tech pays itself back in probe kills. If they do defend it blink + zealots + 1 or 2 archon from the DT actually works quite well against colo. The proper way for the robo player is to expand asap imo and just build up colossi. Colo in small numbers are just not good for pushing..
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
June 25 2011 19:44 GMT
#7187
The level of insight from Naniwa/Sase is over 9000 ^_^
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
June 25 2011 19:44 GMT
#7188
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Maaasta
Profile Joined April 2010
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 19:44:58
June 25 2011 19:44 GMT
#7189
On June 26 2011 04:41 alepov wrote:
ok can someone link me brackets please. I just searched on the incredible esl site and google for 10mins, impossible to find. Thanks.


Bracket
Kimzao
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden17 Posts
June 25 2011 19:44 GMT
#7190
On June 26 2011 04:39 lunchforthesky wrote:
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On June 26 2011 04:34 mholden02 wrote:
MC has great mechanics, great player. But naniwa's decision making is superb, top 2-3 in the world. Nestea type decision making.

I don't like giving Protoss compliments, but the guy makes expert decisions time and time again. Well done dude.


MC is a far better player than Naniwa, it's not close. He's much more consistant, has won far more tournaments and is better in every matchup.

Granted that MC has won bigger tournaments due to playing on a bigger stage (doesn't get much bigger than GSL) but Naniwa has been pretty damn consistant these last couple of months.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
June 25 2011 19:44 GMT
#7191
On June 26 2011 04:44 cyclone25 wrote:
The level of insight from Naniwa/Sase is over 9000 ^_^

Protoss overmind?
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
June 25 2011 19:44 GMT
#7192
On June 26 2011 04:43 Markwerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 04:32 Kettchup wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:28 oskarla wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:25 lunchforthesky wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:21 anatem wrote:
sick series.

boring as hell game 3 though, sit back on two base and let the tech choices made blidnly without any scouting decide the winner irrespective of macro, micro, or positioning. a game that doesn't show anything about the winner unfortunately, i felt a lot better about Nani in game 1 where he outplayed MC as opposed to this crap.


Naniwa didn't outplay MC in game one. It was a build order win. That's why PvP is so stupid, most games aren't decided by skill but by which build order you blindly picked, the reason MC is so good in PvP (as opposed to basically anyone else) is that he is able to win often when his build order is worse than the others guys (see game 2 in this series).

I agree with you, first game came down to decision making but in the last game Naniwa just out-microed MC tbh.


The micro didn't matter much. It was the 2-0 upgrade advantage that won it for Naniwa, no amount of micro could have overcome that. Seems MC's big weakness is not having good upgrade timings as it was a large part of his loss to Thorzain as well.


This is so true. If anything is wrong with MC's games it's his use of upgrades. He often doesn't get them at all or when he does he prioritizes the wrong one. Seen him a fair number of times go 3-0 in PvT for example where everyone knows that armor is as good or perhaps even better then attack there (gateway vs MMM).
Game 3 vs naniwa he opened brilliantly with the fake 4 gate, however it was stupid he went 2 sentries himself afterwards as that really throws away the advantage of a fake 4 gate. After that he was still in fine shape, slightly later expo but more probes. Then he goes blink afterwards in a robo war.. that's just terrible.

Game 2 was awesome from MC though, DT tech is quite good these days. Against a few strats it wins on the spot like stargate or a slow blink build. Against robo itself it's not even that bad, often the obs is out of the base which can be spotted quite easily and then the tech pays itself back in probe kills. If they do defend it blink + zealots + 1 or 2 archon from the DT actually works quite well against colo. The proper way for the robo player is to expand asap imo and just build up colossi. Colo in small numbers are just not good for pushing..

"Armour is for players who can't micro. I have god micro so I get attack"
Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 25 2011 19:45 GMT
#7193
mc should win this
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
June 25 2011 19:45 GMT
#7194
On June 26 2011 04:43 Eufouria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 04:41 FinnGamer wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:40 clusen wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:38 FenneK wrote:
machine always looks so happy

and sase looks like he's 17 what is he talking about 'when i was young'

Sase is 24

Like ToD said, "He doesn't age"

He does. He just ages like an asian woman.

Plastic hardly ages.

Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Maxquatre
Profile Joined April 2011
France493 Posts
June 25 2011 19:45 GMT
#7195
Star sense man.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
June 25 2011 19:45 GMT
#7196
On June 26 2011 04:44 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 04:44 cyclone25 wrote:
The level of insight from Naniwa/Sase is over 9000 ^_^

Protoss overmind?

shit don't talk to much about it you are going to spoil legacy of the void
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
June 25 2011 19:45 GMT
#7197
On June 26 2011 04:42 Rammstorm wrote:
People get so excited a about a 2-1. Probably Naniwa was preparing his builds all this time, watching MC's games to analyze and counter ... in the meantime... MC sleeps, MC goes around eating having fun/trolling cams, and not watching games...

Also for those saying that Slayers_Alicia is better, the night before the match MC was in a party until veery late not really worrying about his match. Overconfidence keeps being his weak point.

Not taking away anything from Naniwa's win, but stating Naniwa is the better player in that match is just out of scope..


Ending with: "Not taking away anything from Naniwa's win", after saying that MC wasn't taking the tournament seriously is taking away from Naniwa's win.

Why not just celebrate the win?!?
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
June 25 2011 19:45 GMT
#7198
On June 26 2011 04:45 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 04:43 Eufouria wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:41 FinnGamer wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:40 clusen wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:38 FenneK wrote:
machine always looks so happy

and sase looks like he's 17 what is he talking about 'when i was young'

Sase is 24

Like ToD said, "He doesn't age"

He does. He just ages like an asian woman.

Plastic hardly ages.


that would be korean woman you are referring to
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
June 25 2011 19:45 GMT
#7199
Naniwa dropping the knowledge.
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
June 25 2011 19:45 GMT
#7200
On June 26 2011 04:44 Kimzao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 04:39 lunchforthesky wrote:
On June 26 2011 04:34 mholden02 wrote:
MC has great mechanics, great player. But naniwa's decision making is superb, top 2-3 in the world. Nestea type decision making.

I don't like giving Protoss compliments, but the guy makes expert decisions time and time again. Well done dude.


MC is a far better player than Naniwa, it's not close. He's much more consistant, has won far more tournaments and is better in every matchup.

Granted that MC has won bigger tournaments due to playing on a bigger stage (doesn't get much bigger than GSL) but Naniwa has been pretty damn consistant these last couple of months.


Only worthwhile competition is in Korea. We'll see if Naniwa is any good.
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